ME can't find W2K machine

Pat Glenn · External Since: Jan 20, 2007 Posts: 6

Having recently acquired some older computers I am now setting up a P2P
network. I am trying to determine why my ME machince does not seem able to
connect to my Win2K machine.

All machines:
-New installation of appropriate OS's
-No apparent hardware issues
-Using thin-net 10base2
-File and printer sharing enabled
-Logging on with administrator account (same password and user)

Machine A:
-Win2K (NT5)
-Modem for internet connection
-requires (ctrl-alt-del) log-on
-IP Addres set to 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0

Machine B:
-WinXP Home
-requires log-on
-IP Addres set to 192.168.0.25/255.255.255.0

Machine C:
-WinME
-requires log-on
-IP Addres set to 192.168.0.50/255.255.255.0

Now; using the windows explorer...

Machine A can see B & C and connect to and use their resources.

Machine B can see A & C and connect to and use their resources.

Machine C can see B and connect to and use its resources. But, Machine C can
see A in the 'my network places' but cannot make a connection.

I have already tried reinstallation of the network software on Machine C. I
have also replaced the network card in C with the card from both other
machines. The problem continues as above. Any ideas?

Steve Winograd [MVP] · External Since: Apr 19, 2006 Posts: 148

In article <HLxsh.171729$hn.106101@edtnps82>, "Pat Glenn"
<pglenn RemoveThis @telus.net> wrote:
>Having recently acquired some older computers I am now setting up a P2P
>network. I am trying to determine why my ME machince does not seem able to
>connect to my Win2K machine.
>
>All machines:
>-New installation of appropriate OS's
>-No apparent hardware issues
>-Using thin-net 10base2
>-File and printer sharing enabled
>-Logging on with administrator account (same password and user)
>
>Machine A:
>-Win2K (NT5)
>-Modem for internet connection
>-requires (ctrl-alt-del) log-on
>-IP Addres set to 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0
>
>Machine B:
>-WinXP Home
>-requires log-on
>-IP Addres set to 192.168.0.25/255.255.255.0
>
>Machine C:
>-WinME
>-requires log-on
>-IP Addres set to 192.168.0.50/255.255.255.0
>
>Now; using the windows explorer...
>
>Machine A can see B & C and connect to and use their resources.
>
>Machine B can see A & C and connect to and use their resources.
>
>Machine C can see B and connect to and use its resources. But, Machine C can
>see A in the 'my network places' but cannot make a connection.
>
>I have already tried reinstallation of the network software on Machine C. I
>have also replaced the network card in C with the card from both other
>machines. The problem continues as above. Any ideas?

With a thin-net 10base2 network, make sure that there are proper
terminators on the network cards of the computers at both ends of the
cable.

Make sure that any firewall programs are configured to allow access by
other computers on the local area network.

How are you trying to make a connection from Machine C to Machine A?
What exactly happens when you do it? If there's an error message,
what does it say?

Can Machine C ping Machine A by IP address and by computer name?
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

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http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm

John John · External Since: Jun 05, 2004 Posts: 1937

Pat Glenn wrote:
> Having recently acquired some older computers I am now setting up a P2P
> network. I am trying to determine why my ME machince does not seem able to
> connect to my Win2K machine.
>
> All machines:
> -New installation of appropriate OS's
> -No apparent hardware issues
> -Using thin-net 10base2
> -File and printer sharing enabled
> -Logging on with administrator account (same password and user)
>
> Machine A:
> -Win2K (NT5)
> -Modem for internet connection
> -requires (ctrl-alt-del) log-on
> -IP Addres set to 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0
>
> Machine B:
> -WinXP Home
> -requires log-on
> -IP Addres set to 192.168.0.25/255.255.255.0
>
> Machine C:
> -WinME
> -requires log-on
> -IP Addres set to 192.168.0.50/255.255.255.0
>
> Now; using the windows explorer...
>
> Machine A can see B & C and connect to and use their resources.
>
> Machine B can see A & C and connect to and use their resources.
>
> Machine C can see B and connect to and use its resources. But, Machine C can
> see A in the 'my network places' but cannot make a connection.
>
> I have already tried reinstallation of the network software on Machine C. I
> have also replaced the network card in C with the card from both other
> machines. The problem continues as above. Any ideas?

What happens when you try to make a connection? What error messages are
you receiving? Does Windows 2000 record an event in the Event Log when
you try to access it from the ME machine?

John

Pat Glenn · External Since: Jan 20, 2007 Posts: 6

> With a thin-net 10base2 network, make sure that there are proper
> terminators on the network cards of the computers at both ends of the
> cable.

Yes

> Make sure that any firewall programs are configured to allow access by
> other computers on the local area network.

A firewall is installed on A (NT machine) I believe it is set up properly.
Again, default settings for a new installation. It does not seem to cause
any problems for the XP machine. The XP machine (B) also has it's firewall
up and running (deafult from installation) but again, it doesn't seem to
cause any issues. with either machine accessing it.

> How are you trying to make a connection from Machine C to Machine A?
> What exactly happens when you do it? If there's an error message,
> what does it say?

From explorer: MyNetworkPlaces/EntireNetwork/Network/Computer

Computers A.B & C all show up on the list. C's own resources are accessable
as well as B's. Attempting to access A (by clicking on icon in explorer
window) produces a dialog box with the following error: "A" is not
acessable. This device does not exist on the network.
>
> Can Machine C ping Machine A by IP address and by computer name?

Yes and Yes

One thing I have also noticed is that while the connection between the XP
and ME machine is 'lightning fast', the connection from the NT machine to
either the XP or ME machines seems to take a long time to resolve (the
little flashlight icon searching).

"Steve Winograd [MVP]" <bcmaven.DeleteThis@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:uvd9r25qhcp66amghnjd74qp8jf4hcnec6@4ax.com...
> In article <HLxsh.171729$hn.106101@edtnps82>, "Pat Glenn"
> <pglenn.DeleteThis@telus.net> wrote:
> >Having recently acquired some older computers I am now setting up a P2P
> >network. I am trying to determine why my ME machince does not seem able
to
> >connect to my Win2K machine.
> >
> >All machines:
> >-New installation of appropriate OS's
> >-No apparent hardware issues
> >-Using thin-net 10base2
> >-File and printer sharing enabled
> >-Logging on with administrator account (same password and user)
> >
> >Machine A:
> >-Win2K (NT5)
> >-Modem for internet connection
> >-requires (ctrl-alt-del) log-on
> >-IP Addres set to 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0
> >
> >Machine B:
> >-WinXP Home
> >-requires log-on
> >-IP Addres set to 192.168.0.25/255.255.255.0
> >
> >Machine C:
> >-WinME
> >-requires log-on
> >-IP Addres set to 192.168.0.50/255.255.255.0
> >
> >Now; using the windows explorer...
> >
> >Machine A can see B & C and connect to and use their resources.
> >
> >Machine B can see A & C and connect to and use their resources.
> >
> >Machine C can see B and connect to and use its resources. But, Machine C
can
> >see A in the 'my network places' but cannot make a connection.
> >
> >I have already tried reinstallation of the network software on Machine C.
I
> >have also replaced the network card in C with the card from both other
> >machines. The problem continues as above. Any ideas?
>
> With a thin-net 10base2 network, make sure that there are proper
> terminators on the network cards of the computers at both ends of the
> cable.
>
> Make sure that any firewall programs are configured to allow access by
> other computers on the local area network.
>
> How are you trying to make a connection from Machine C to Machine A?
> What exactly happens when you do it? If there's an error message,
> what does it say?
>
> Can Machine C ping Machine A by IP address and by computer name?
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
> addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
>
> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>
> Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
> http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm

Pat Glenn · External Since: Jan 20, 2007 Posts: 6

From explorer: MyNetworkPlaces/EntireNetwork/Network/Computer

Computers A.B & C all show up on the list. C's own resources are accessable
as well as B's. Attempting to access A (by clicking on icon in explorer
window) produces a dialog box with the following error: "A" is not
acessable. This device does not exist on the network

There was one event recorded but unfortunately, I did not record what I was
doing at the time. The message was "The browser was unable to retrieve a
list of servers from the browser master \\ NAME on the network
\device\nwlnknb. The data is the error code. "

It seems that with all my twiddling about I have managed to 'break' my
internet sharing connection. I had it working quite well the other day. Oh
bother...

"John John" <audetweld.TakeThisOut@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
news:e274lGiPHHA.448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Pat Glenn wrote:
> > Having recently acquired some older computers I am now setting up a P2P
> > network. I am trying to determine why my ME machince does not seem able
to
> > connect to my Win2K machine.
> >
> > All machines:
> > -New installation of appropriate OS's
> > -No apparent hardware issues
> > -Using thin-net 10base2
> > -File and printer sharing enabled
> > -Logging on with administrator account (same password and user)
> >
> > Machine A:
> > -Win2K (NT5)
> > -Modem for internet connection
> > -requires (ctrl-alt-del) log-on
> > -IP Addres set to 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0
> >
> > Machine B:
> > -WinXP Home
> > -requires log-on
> > -IP Addres set to 192.168.0.25/255.255.255.0
> >
> > Machine C:
> > -WinME
> > -requires log-on
> > -IP Addres set to 192.168.0.50/255.255.255.0
> >
> > Now; using the windows explorer...
> >
> > Machine A can see B & C and connect to and use their resources.
> >
> > Machine B can see A & C and connect to and use their resources.
> >
> > Machine C can see B and connect to and use its resources. But, Machine C
can
> > see A in the 'my network places' but cannot make a connection.
> >
> > I have already tried reinstallation of the network software on Machine
C. I
> > have also replaced the network card in C with the card from both other
> > machines. The problem continues as above. Any ideas?
>
> What happens when you try to make a connection? What error messages are
> you receiving? Does Windows 2000 record an event in the Event Log when
> you try to access it from the ME machine?
>
> John
>

John John · External Since: Jun 05, 2004 Posts: 1937

Double check your username and password make sure that the password on
the ME and Windows 2000 are identical, perhaps you mistyped the password
or perhaps you have CAPS in one password and not the other. Windows XP
Home wont make a fuss about that but Windows 2000 will.

For troubleshooting purposed completely disable the firewalls on these
two machines, firewalls are often at fault with these type of errors.
Verify your protocols and bindings, it appears that you may have
unecessary protocols on the machines. Unecessary protocols add extra
layers of complexity and can cause excess ntwork traffic and collisions
that slows down the network. You probably only need TCP/IP.

John

Pat Glenn wrote:
> From explorer: MyNetworkPlaces/EntireNetwork/Network/Computer
>
> Computers A.B & C all show up on the list. C's own resources are accessable
> as well as B's. Attempting to access A (by clicking on icon in explorer
> window) produces a dialog box with the following error: "A" is not
> acessable. This device does not exist on the network
>
> There was one event recorded but unfortunately, I did not record what I was
> doing at the time. The message was "The browser was unable to retrieve a
> list of servers from the browser master \\ NAME on the network
> \device\nwlnknb. The data is the error code. "
>
> It seems that with all my twiddling about I have managed to 'break' my
> internet sharing connection. I had it working quite well the other day. Oh
> bother...
>
>
> "John John" <audetweld.TakeThisOut@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote in message
> news:e274lGiPHHA.448@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
>>Pat Glenn wrote:
>>
>>>Having recently acquired some older computers I am now setting up a P2P
>>>network. I am trying to determine why my ME machince does not seem able
>
> to
>
>>>connect to my Win2K machine.
>>>
>>>All machines:
>>>-New installation of appropriate OS's
>>>-No apparent hardware issues
>>>-Using thin-net 10base2
>>>-File and printer sharing enabled
>>>-Logging on with administrator account (same password and user)
>>>
>>>Machine A:
>>>-Win2K (NT5)
>>>-Modem for internet connection
>>>-requires (ctrl-alt-del) log-on
>>>-IP Addres set to 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0
>>>
>>>Machine B:
>>>-WinXP Home
>>>-requires log-on
>>>-IP Addres set to 192.168.0.25/255.255.255.0
>>>
>>>Machine C:
>>>-WinME
>>>-requires log-on
>>>-IP Addres set to 192.168.0.50/255.255.255.0
>>>
>>>Now; using the windows explorer...
>>>
>>>Machine A can see B & C and connect to and use their resources.
>>>
>>>Machine B can see A & C and connect to and use their resources.
>>>
>>>Machine C can see B and connect to and use its resources. But, Machine C
>
> can
>
>>>see A in the 'my network places' but cannot make a connection.
>>>
>>>I have already tried reinstallation of the network software on Machine
>
> C. I
>
>>>have also replaced the network card in C with the card from both other
>>>machines. The problem continues as above. Any ideas?
>>
>>What happens when you try to make a connection? What error messages are
>>you receiving? Does Windows 2000 record an event in the Event Log when
>>you try to access it from the ME machine?
>>
>>John
>>
>
>
>

Pat Glenn · External Since: Jan 20, 2007 Posts: 6

OK!! I've went over the settings with a fine tooth comb and I found a
problem with the IP setup. I specified the DNS and the gateway and now I
have an active ICS between the NT and ME machines!

With all my fiddling about I seem to have broken the ICS between the NT and
XP machines, but I am pretty sure with some exploring I'll be able to
resolve that on my own. It claims to be making a connection to the internet,
but it take forever and ever and ever and ever... to download a page.
Perhaps a closer look at those setting will resolve that problem.

However, I still cannot connect from ME to NT for file and print sharing.
The problem continues as in my previous post. IE as follows

*************
Computers A.B & C all show up on the list. C's own resources are accessable
as well as B's. Attempting to access A (by clicking on icon in explorer
window) produces a dialog box with the following error: "A" is not
acessable. This device does not exist on the network
*************

"Steve Winograd [MVP]" <bcmaven DeleteThis @mvps.org> wrote in message
news:uvd9r25qhcp66amghnjd74qp8jf4hcnec6@4ax.com...
> In article <HLxsh.171729$hn.106101@edtnps82>, "Pat Glenn"
> <pglenn DeleteThis @telus.net> wrote:
> >Having recently acquired some older computers I am now setting up a P2P
> >network. I am trying to determine why my ME machince does not seem able
to
> >connect to my Win2K machine.
> >
> >All machines:
> >-New installation of appropriate OS's
> >-No apparent hardware issues
> >-Using thin-net 10base2
> >-File and printer sharing enabled
> >-Logging on with administrator account (same password and user)
> >
> >Machine A:
> >-Win2K (NT5)
> >-Modem for internet connection
> >-requires (ctrl-alt-del) log-on
> >-IP Addres set to 192.168.0.1/255.255.255.0
> >
> >Machine B:
> >-WinXP Home
> >-requires log-on
> >-IP Addres set to 192.168.0.25/255.255.255.0
> >
> >Machine C:
> >-WinME
> >-requires log-on
> >-IP Addres set to 192.168.0.50/255.255.255.0
> >
> >Now; using the windows explorer...
> >
> >Machine A can see B & C and connect to and use their resources.
> >
> >Machine B can see A & C and connect to and use their resources.
> >
> >Machine C can see B and connect to and use its resources. But, Machine C
can
> >see A in the 'my network places' but cannot make a connection.
> >
> >I have already tried reinstallation of the network software on Machine C.
I
> >have also replaced the network card in C with the card from both other
> >machines. The problem continues as above. Any ideas?
>
> With a thin-net 10base2 network, make sure that there are proper
> terminators on the network cards of the computers at both ends of the
> cable.
>
> Make sure that any firewall programs are configured to allow access by
> other computers on the local area network.
>
> How are you trying to make a connection from Machine C to Machine A?
> What exactly happens when you do it? If there's an error message,
> what does it say?
>
> Can Machine C ping Machine A by IP address and by computer name?
> --
> Best Wishes,
> Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)
>
> Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
> for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
> addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.
>
> Microsoft Most Valuable Professional - Windows Networking
> http://mvp.support.microsoft.com
>
> Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
> http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm