Wireless networking

I'm using the sw which came with Linksys G adapter... not anything which is
part of W98SE. And I set it for WEP. Never was asked about encryption nor
MAC filters, so I don't think those are in place. I have gone back through
the profile for wireless on that laptop via the Linksys sw and can't see
anything "odd", but I'm not a network guru, either. Anything else I can
look at? I use this same adapter with my own laptop, but it runs XP
Home........... so that's different.

Thanks for your help

"James Egan" wrote:

>
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:42:02 -0700, Wendy
> <Wendy DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >I'm getting a 'connected to access point' but 'not finding internet'. Will
> >this solution work? Are there W98SE specific settings I need to tweak in the
> >Networking function, Control Panel?
>
> Win98 doesn't have the built in wireless support that xp has. You must
> install third party software from the manufacturer of whichever
> network card you are using.
>
> Start off by disabling encryption and mac filtering on the router
> until your connection is working properly and then encrypt the
> connection using the strongest available to the win98. Sadly, that is
> likely to be wep only but will depend on your card manufacturer.
>
> After the wireless is working, the network settings you make on the
> computer will be the same as if it is wired.
>
>
> Jim.
>
>

If the laptop has a ethernet network card check the properties to make sure
there isn't any IP information in there. I struggled with my sons win98
desktop getting it to connect to the internet ( also connecting via wireless
and the adapter found the Access Point with no problem) anyway in
frustration I checked the ethernet and found it had some IP info. and
clicked on obtain IP automatically to clear the IP settings and voila I had
internet. For some reason IE was trying to use the Ethernet card to connect.
I don't know why anything was in the Network cards configuration but there
was and that was my problem. Just a thought.
"Wendy" <Wendy.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:00A75D0D-1035-4B6A-862A-67B452693A94@microsoft.com...
> I'm using the sw which came with Linksys G adapter... not anything which
> is
> part of W98SE. And I set it for WEP. Never was asked about encryption
> nor
> MAC filters, so I don't think those are in place. I have gone back
> through
> the profile for wireless on that laptop via the Linksys sw and can't see
> anything "odd", but I'm not a network guru, either. Anything else I can
> look at? I use this same adapter with my own laptop, but it runs XP
> Home........... so that's different.
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> "James Egan" wrote:
>
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:42:02 -0700, Wendy
>> <Wendy.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I'm getting a 'connected to access point' but 'not finding internet'.
>> >Will
>> >this solution work? Are there W98SE specific settings I need to tweak
>> >in the
>> >Networking function, Control Panel?
>>
>> Win98 doesn't have the built in wireless support that xp has. You must
>> install third party software from the manufacturer of whichever
>> network card you are using.
>>
>> Start off by disabling encryption and mac filtering on the router
>> until your connection is working properly and then encrypt the
>> connection using the strongest available to the win98. Sadly, that is
>> likely to be wep only but will depend on your card manufacturer.
>>
>> After the wireless is working, the network settings you make on the
>> computer will be the same as if it is wired.
>>
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>>

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:46:02 -0700, Wendy
<Wendy DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>I'm using the sw which came with Linksys G adapter... not anything which is
>part of W98SE. And I set it for WEP. Never was asked about encryption nor
>MAC filters, so I don't think those are in place. I have gone back through
>the profile for wireless on that laptop via the Linksys sw and can't see
>anything "odd", but I'm not a network guru, either. Anything else I can
>look at? I use this same adapter with my own laptop, but it runs XP
>Home........... so that's different.
>

If you have connected the wireless bit okay (ie. same wep passphrase
on the router and laptop, and the router is configured to allow
connections from the mac address of the laptop) then you should be
able to ping the ip address of the router from the laptop. Does that
work? If so, the problem isn't with the wireless settings.

What does the routing table of the laptop say? That might shed some
light.
ie from a command prompt type "route print > c:\temp.txt" and post the
contents of temp.txt here.

Like the other poster said, if there is another network card on this
machine, that could cause problems and it needs to be disabled.


Jim.

Am away for the weekend and don't have this laptop with me. It's a newly
formatted, older Compaq, and does not have any PCMCIA cards in it. However,
I'll take a look at the table you suggested to see if there is something
there somehow. This hookup with my Linksys adapter is the first attempt to
get it onto wireless internet.

"James Egan" wrote:

>
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:46:02 -0700, Wendy
> <Wendy RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >I'm using the sw which came with Linksys G adapter... not anything which is
> >part of W98SE. And I set it for WEP. Never was asked about encryption nor
> >MAC filters, so I don't think those are in place. I have gone back through
> >the profile for wireless on that laptop via the Linksys sw and can't see
> >anything "odd", but I'm not a network guru, either. Anything else I can
> >look at? I use this same adapter with my own laptop, but it runs XP
> >Home........... so that's different.
> >
>
> If you have connected the wireless bit okay (ie. same wep passphrase
> on the router and laptop, and the router is configured to allow
> connections from the mac address of the laptop) then you should be
> able to ping the ip address of the router from the laptop. Does that
> work? If so, the problem isn't with the wireless settings.
>
> What does the routing table of the laptop say? That might shed some
> light.
> ie from a command prompt type "route print > c:\temp.txt" and post the
> contents of temp.txt here.
>
> Like the other poster said, if there is another network card on this
> machine, that could cause problems and it needs to be disabled.
>
>
> Jim.
>
>

Westell router is 192.168.1.1 ... or at least that's the IP I use to get to
the control functions of the router itself, e.g., the security configurators

route print to temp.txt yielded:

Active Routes:

Network Addr Netmask Gateway Addr
Interface Metric
127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 127.0.0.1
127.0.0.1 1
169.254.0.0 255.255.0.0 169.254.62.193
same 1
169.254.62.193 255.255.255.255 127.0.0.1
same 1
169.254.254.255 255.255.255.255 169.254.62.193 same
1
244.0.0.0 244.0.0.0 169.254.62.193
same 1
255.022.255.255 255.255.255.255 169.254.62.193
0.0.0.0 1

So, what does this tell us??? there is no other network adapter.
Control Panel, Device mgr shows:

Dialup Adapter
Dialup Adapter #2 MPN Support
Linksys Wireless (that's what I'm trying to get to work.... or any wireless
adapter)
Microsoft VPN
SMC ICC (infrared controller)

If I look at the Linksys properties......shows all is working properly. I
know Windows is sometimes flaky.........


??


"James Egan" wrote:

>
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:46:02 -0700, Wendy
> <Wendy.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >I'm using the sw which came with Linksys G adapter... not anything which is
> >part of W98SE. And I set it for WEP. Never was asked about encryption nor
> >MAC filters, so I don't think those are in place. I have gone back through
> >the profile for wireless on that laptop via the Linksys sw and can't see
> >anything "odd", but I'm not a network guru, either. Anything else I can
> >look at? I use this same adapter with my own laptop, but it runs XP
> >Home........... so that's different.
> >
>
> If you have connected the wireless bit okay (ie. same wep passphrase
> on the router and laptop, and the router is configured to allow
> connections from the mac address of the laptop) then you should be
> able to ping the ip address of the router from the laptop. Does that
> work? If so, the problem isn't with the wireless settings.
>
> What does the routing table of the laptop say? That might shed some
> light.
> ie from a command prompt type "route print > c:\temp.txt" and post the
> contents of temp.txt here.
>
> Like the other poster said, if there is another network card on this
> machine, that could cause problems and it needs to be disabled.
>
>
> Jim.
>
>

On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:38:03 -0700, Wendy
<Wendy.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>So, what does this tell us???

It tells us that your ip address is 169.254.62.193

This is an automatic private ip address which your computer will give
itself when it fails to connect with the router to get an ip address
by dhcp.

It basically means your computer is not on the same network as your
router and it won't be until you get the wireless side of things
working.

You need to look at the router's wireless configuration and use the
same settings on the laptop. Ensure also that the router is not
configured to block connections based on MAC addresses.

Once you think you have this set correctly, reboot the laptop and see
if it is receiving an ip address from the router. you can do this by
typing winipcfg or ipconfig to see if your address is 192.168.1.x

If it's still 169.254.x.x then you have to go back a step and try
different settings and reboot (again).


Jim.

Frustrating. I know it's hard to help someone when you can't have actual
eyes and hands on the computer to see what's really going on.

I checked everything. The Westell router is in basement of our 2story
house. The computer I'm on right now connects through the same Linksys-G
wireless adapter which I have brought home from our office to try to get
wireless networking operational on my friend's older laptop. I have been
through all of the settings. MAC filtering was never turned on.

The laptop IS seeing our home network, I can select the network by name and
then get prompted to enter the pass key, but then it is still getting
"connected to Access point, but can't find the internet"...... yet I'm
sitting 5' away and connect just fine.

I have checked channels (6), WEP, enabled in the right places, disabled in
matching places.

any other ideas??

"James Egan" wrote:

>
> On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 13:38:03 -0700, Wendy
> <Wendy.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >So, what does this tell us???
>
> It tells us that your ip address is 169.254.62.193
>
> This is an automatic private ip address which your computer will give
> itself when it fails to connect with the router to get an ip address
> by dhcp.
>
> It basically means your computer is not on the same network as your
> router and it won't be until you get the wireless side of things
> working.
>
> You need to look at the router's wireless configuration and use the
> same settings on the laptop. Ensure also that the router is not
> configured to block connections based on MAC addresses.
>
> Once you think you have this set correctly, reboot the laptop and see
> if it is receiving an ip address from the router. you can do this by
> typing winipcfg or ipconfig to see if your address is 192.168.1.x
>
> If it's still 169.254.x.x then you have to go back a step and try
> different settings and reboot (again).
>
>
> Jim.
>
>

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:10:05 -0700, Wendy
<Wendy DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Frustrating. I know it's hard to help someone when you can't have actual
>eyes and hands on the computer to see what's really going on.
>
>I checked everything. The Westell router is in basement of our 2story
>house. The computer I'm on right now connects through the same Linksys-G
>wireless adapter which I have brought home from our office to try to get
>wireless networking operational on my friend's older laptop. I have been
>through all of the settings. MAC filtering was never turned on.
>
>The laptop IS seeing our home network, I can select the network by name and
>then get prompted to enter the pass key, but then it is still getting
>"connected to Access point, but can't find the internet"...... yet I'm
>sitting 5' away and connect just fine.
>
>I have checked channels (6), WEP, enabled in the right places, disabled in
>matching places.
>
>any other ideas??

If you're sure the wireless is working correctly, the next stage is
the laptop getting an ip address from the router and it isn't.

Ensure that the router has dhcp enabled. If it has already and you
still get this 169.254.x.x address when you reboot, then you might try
the laptop with a static ip address.

That would entail going into the tcp/ip properties and making some
configuration changes.

IP Address: 192.168.1.50
Subnet mask 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 192.168.1.1

DNS Configuration:
Enable DNS
Host = computer's name (eg LAPTOP)
DNS Server = ip address of your ISP's nameservers

Then as a first step, try and ping the router at 192.168.1.1 and see
if you get a response. Post back the result.


Jim.

checked all of that and found nothing to be changed. set up the static IP
address on the laptop and winipcfg showed it 'took'. did a ping back to the
192.168.1.1 router and that fails. Did an IPCONFIG on "this computer" which
is also talking to the same router on a wireless Linksys-G setup (same as
what I'm trying to get on that laptop; variable is this computer is newer and
XP whereas the laptop is older and W98SE). Anyhow, the information matched
up with exception that of course this computer has an IP 'assigned' as
192.168.1.47.

Since I don't know what her network will end up being once she has Verizon
help her get her router set up for wireless, plus securing it (they don't
bother to help the user with an SSID and key password unless you ask).....
should I cease at this stage so as to not totally mess things up once I
return the laptop to her?

One other thing, WINIPCFG on the laptop showed TWO PPP entries. I did a
Release All on each of them. I also wondered if there is more listed in
the Networking than is needed. I know Windows has a tendency to load in
additional 'devices' or adapters than actually required within
"communications".



"James Egan" wrote:

>
> On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 12:10:05 -0700, Wendy
> <Wendy.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Frustrating. I know it's hard to help someone when you can't have actual
> >eyes and hands on the computer to see what's really going on.
> >
> >I checked everything. The Westell router is in basement of our 2story
> >house. The computer I'm on right now connects through the same Linksys-G
> >wireless adapter which I have brought home from our office to try to get
> >wireless networking operational on my friend's older laptop. I have been
> >through all of the settings. MAC filtering was never turned on.
> >
> >The laptop IS seeing our home network, I can select the network by name and
> >then get prompted to enter the pass key, but then it is still getting
> >"connected to Access point, but can't find the internet"...... yet I'm
> >sitting 5' away and connect just fine.
> >
> >I have checked channels (6), WEP, enabled in the right places, disabled in
> >matching places.
> >
> >any other ideas??
>
> If you're sure the wireless is working correctly, the next stage is
> the laptop getting an ip address from the router and it isn't.
>
> Ensure that the router has dhcp enabled. If it has already and you
> still get this 169.254.x.x address when you reboot, then you might try
> the laptop with a static ip address.
>
> That would entail going into the tcp/ip properties and making some
> configuration changes.
>
> IP Address: 192.168.1.50
> Subnet mask 255.255.255.0
> Default Gateway: 192.168.1.1
>
> DNS Configuration:
> Enable DNS
> Host = computer's name (eg LAPTOP)
> DNS Server = ip address of your ISP's nameservers
>
> Then as a first step, try and ping the router at 192.168.1.1 and see
> if you get a response. Post back the result.
>
>
> Jim.
>
>
>

On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 05:32:08 -0700, Wendy
<Wendy DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>Since I don't know what her network will end up being once she has Verizon
>help her get her router set up for wireless, plus securing it (they don't
>bother to help the user with an SSID and key password unless you ask).....
>should I cease at this stage so as to not totally mess things up once I
>return the laptop to her?
>

You can change it back to dhcp assigned ip addresses.

It appears your tcp/ip stack is broken. You might be able to get away
with running one of the winsock repair programs listed on this page
http://cexx.org/lspfix.htm
but might need to do the following

1. Un-install Dial-Up Networking. Don't reboot.
2. Delete registry key HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Winsock2
3. Re-install Dial-Up Networking. Reboot.


>One other thing, WINIPCFG on the laptop showed TWO PPP entries. I did a
>Release All on each of them. I also wondered if there is more listed in
>the Networking than is needed. I know Windows has a tendency to load in
>additional 'devices' or adapters than actually required within
>"communications".

That will probably be one for the wireless adapter and one for a
dialup adaptor?

If so it's unlikely to cause this problem.


Jim.

Here's your laugh for the night..... the Linksys Adapter is the problem.
The hardware itself!!! Talk about look for the SIMPLE....the obvious....
like, is the thing plugged in???? I had it sitting beside another unit
we have at our weekend place. Decided to unplug the one which DOES work and
put it onto the USB cable into the laptop. Immediately got a good
connection and working internet! So, it was not the laptop. SO, the next
obvious step was to plug the one which we have been struggling with onto the
USC where things were working just fine... Went from WORKING JUST FINE to
not working at all. And VOILA!!! NO WORKIE!!! Proof positive. Put the
working adapter back in place, and immediate connection. Tried the 'broken'
one again, to confirm, and still no internet.

Now to get in touch with Linksys to see if anything can be done... as well
as get back to my eBay seller to let them know.

phew. THANKS for all your help and patience!

"James Egan" wrote:

>
> On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 05:32:08 -0700, Wendy
> <Wendy.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >Since I don't know what her network will end up being once she has Verizon
> >help her get her router set up for wireless, plus securing it (they don't
> >bother to help the user with an SSID and key password unless you ask).....
> >should I cease at this stage so as to not totally mess things up once I
> >return the laptop to her?
> >
>
> You can change it back to dhcp assigned ip addresses.
>
> It appears your tcp/ip stack is broken. You might be able to get away
> with running one of the winsock repair programs listed on this page
> http://cexx.org/lspfix.htm
> but might need to do the following
>
> 1. Un-install Dial-Up Networking. Don't reboot.
> 2. Delete registry key HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Winsock2
> 3. Re-install Dial-Up Networking. Reboot.
>
>
> >One other thing, WINIPCFG on the laptop showed TWO PPP entries. I did a
> >Release All on each of them. I also wondered if there is more listed in
> >the Networking than is needed. I know Windows has a tendency to load in
> >additional 'devices' or adapters than actually required within
> >"communications".
>
> That will probably be one for the wireless adapter and one for a
> dialup adaptor?
>
> If so it's unlikely to cause this problem.
>
>
> Jim.
>
>