CTMOUSE in Win98 DOS window (or full screen)?

Harvey · External Since: Jan 12, 2007 Posts: 3

Is there a way to run a program in a DOS window under Win98 and have
the CTMouse (CuteMouse) driver installed? CTMouse 2.0 supports the
wheel in DOS mode. When I try to load it in a DOS window, it says
"device not found". I have a PS/2 Logitech mouse. The driver loads and
works in DOS boot mode.

OR is there any other way to get wheel support in a DOS program running
in a window or full screen over windows?

Thanks,

Harvey

Gary S. Terhune · External Since: Mar 17, 2004 Posts: 4357

If you otherwise have a usable mouse under DOS using CTMOUSE drivers, but
only the scroll wheel doesn't work, I can't see that there would be any
solution. If the mouse won't work at all under DOS with the CTMOUSE drivers,
then you should check BIOS settings to make sure that PS/2 support is
enabled.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP -- Shell/User

"Harvey" <harveyab DeleteThis @juno.com> wrote in message
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> Is there a way to run a program in a DOS window under Win98 and have
> the CTMouse (CuteMouse) driver installed? CTMouse 2.0 supports the
> wheel in DOS mode. When I try to load it in a DOS window, it says
> "device not found". I have a PS/2 Logitech mouse. The driver loads and
> works in DOS boot mode.
>
> OR is there any other way to get wheel support in a DOS program running
> in a window or full screen over windows?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Harvey
>

Harvey · External Since: Jan 12, 2007 Posts: 3

The CTMOUSE driver is there and works if I boot in DOS mode, no
problem.
But if I am in Windows and a DOS Window (or full screen) the requested
CTMOUSE driver is either not loaded or superceeded by some other
driver. Any way to get the mouse driver I want in a DOS window? If I
can get a DOS compatible driver loaded (in a DOS window) that supports
the wheel, then I can make the appropriate calls in my program.

Harvey

Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> If you otherwise have a usable mouse under DOS using CTMOUSE drivers, but
> only the scroll wheel doesn't work, I can't see that there would be any
> solution. If the mouse won't work at all under DOS with the CTMOUSE drivers,
> then you should check BIOS settings to make sure that PS/2 support is
> enabled.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP -- Shell/User
>
> "Harvey" <harveyab.RemoveThis@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:1168592636.553541.18520@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com...
> > Is there a way to run a program in a DOS window under Win98 and have
> > the CTMouse (CuteMouse) driver installed? CTMouse 2.0 supports the
> > wheel in DOS mode. When I try to load it in a DOS window, it says
> > "device not found". I have a PS/2 Logitech mouse. The driver loads and
> > works in DOS boot mode.
> >
> > OR is there any other way to get wheel support in a DOS program running
> > in a window or full screen over windows?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Harvey
> >

Franc Zabkar · External Since: Sep 03, 2005 Posts: 991

On 12 Jan 2007 01:03:56 -0800, "Harvey" <harveyab.DeleteThis@juno.com> put finger
to keyboard and composed:

>Is there a way to run a program in a DOS window under Win98 and have
>the CTMouse (CuteMouse) driver installed? CTMouse 2.0 supports the
>wheel in DOS mode. When I try to load it in a DOS window, it says
>"device not found".

I think this message may be due to the fact that the PS2 port is
"owned" by the Windows mouse driver.

>I have a PS/2 Logitech mouse. The driver loads and
>works in DOS boot mode.
>
>OR is there any other way to get wheel support in a DOS program running
>in a window or full screen over windows?

Have you tried loading the DOS CTMouse driver from your config.sys or
autoexec.bat before Windows starts?

>Thanks,
>
>Harvey

- Franc Zabkar
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Gary S. Terhune · External Since: Mar 17, 2004 Posts: 4357

What Franc says. Else Restart in MS-DOS Mode to run your program.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP -- Shell/User

"Harvey" <harveyab DeleteThis @juno.com> wrote in message
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> The CTMOUSE driver is there and works if I boot in DOS mode, no
> problem.
> But if I am in Windows and a DOS Window (or full screen) the requested
> CTMOUSE driver is either not loaded or superceeded by some other
> driver. Any way to get the mouse driver I want in a DOS window? If I
> can get a DOS compatible driver loaded (in a DOS window) that supports
> the wheel, then I can make the appropriate calls in my program.
>
> Harvey
>
> Gary S. Terhune wrote:
> > If you otherwise have a usable mouse under DOS using CTMOUSE drivers,
but
> > only the scroll wheel doesn't work, I can't see that there would be any
> > solution. If the mouse won't work at all under DOS with the CTMOUSE
drivers,
> > then you should check BIOS settings to make sure that PS/2 support is
> > enabled.
> >
> > --
> > Gary S. Terhune
> > MS MVP -- Shell/User
> >
> > "Harvey" <harveyab DeleteThis @juno.com> wrote in message
> > news:1168592636.553541.18520@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com...
> > > Is there a way to run a program in a DOS window under Win98 and have
> > > the CTMouse (CuteMouse) driver installed? CTMouse 2.0 supports the
> > > wheel in DOS mode. When I try to load it in a DOS window, it says
> > > "device not found". I have a PS/2 Logitech mouse. The driver loads and
> > > works in DOS boot mode.
> > >
> > > OR is there any other way to get wheel support in a DOS program
running
> > > in a window or full screen over windows?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Harvey
> > >
>

Harvey · External Since: Jan 12, 2007 Posts: 3

On Jan 21, 12:29 pm, Franc Zabkar <fzab....RemoveThis@iinternode.on.net> wrote:
> On 12 Jan 2007 01:03:56 -0800, "Harvey" <harve....RemoveThis@juno.com> put finger
> to keyboard and composed:
>
> >Is there a way to run a program in a DOS window under Win98 and have
> >the CTMouse (CuteMouse) driver installed? CTMouse 2.0 supports the
> >wheel in DOS mode. When I try to load it in a DOS window, it says
> >"device not found".I think this message may be due to the fact that the PS2 port is
> "owned" by the Windows mouse driver.
>
> >I have a PS/2 Logitech mouse. The driver loads and
> >works in DOS boot mode.
>
> >OR is there any other way to get wheel support in a DOS program running
> >in a window or full screen over windows?Have you tried loading the DOS CTMouse driver from your config.sys or
> autoexec.bat before Windows starts?

Yes, and also on the .BAT properties for the DOS window and other
places, to no avail.

Is it as simple as "no DOS (real mode) driver can run in DOS over
windows"
would that be true?

> >Thanks,
>
> >Harvey- Franc Zabkar
> --
> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

Gary S. Terhune · External Since: Mar 17, 2004 Posts: 4357

AFAIK, yes, that's the case. Sorry, I didn't understand before that your
purpose was to use the CTMOUSE driver in a DOS window, as opposed to in
real-mode DOS. AFAIK, it's generally true that you can't load real-mode
drivers under Windows. I'm not *certain* that it's *always* the case, but
it's generally the case.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP -- Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Harvey" <harveyab DeleteThis @juno.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> On Jan 21, 12:29 pm, Franc Zabkar <fzab... DeleteThis @iinternode.on.net> wrote:
> > On 12 Jan 2007 01:03:56 -0800, "Harvey" <harve... DeleteThis @juno.com> put finger
> > to keyboard and composed:
> >
> > >Is there a way to run a program in a DOS window under Win98 and have
> > >the CTMouse (CuteMouse) driver installed? CTMouse 2.0 supports the
> > >wheel in DOS mode. When I try to load it in a DOS window, it says
> > >"device not found".I think this message may be due to the fact that the
PS2 port is
> > "owned" by the Windows mouse driver.
> >
> > >I have a PS/2 Logitech mouse. The driver loads and
> > >works in DOS boot mode.
> >
> > >OR is there any other way to get wheel support in a DOS program running
> > >in a window or full screen over windows?Have you tried loading the DOS
CTMouse driver from your config.sys or
> > autoexec.bat before Windows starts?
>
> Yes, and also on the .BAT properties for the DOS window and other
> places, to no avail.
>
> Is it as simple as "no DOS (real mode) driver can run in DOS over
> windows"
> would that be true?
>
> > >Thanks,
> >
> > >Harvey- Franc Zabkar
> > --
> > Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
>

Franc Zabkar · External Since: Sep 03, 2005 Posts: 991

On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:36:46 -0800, "Gary S. Terhune"
<grystnews.DeleteThis@mvps.org> put finger to keyboard and composed:

>AFAIK, yes, that's the case. Sorry, I didn't understand before that your
>purpose was to use the CTMOUSE driver in a DOS window, as opposed to in
>real-mode DOS. AFAIK, it's generally true that you can't load real-mode
>drivers under Windows. I'm not *certain* that it's *always* the case, but
>it's generally the case.

I was hoping that loading a DOS driver in autoexec.bat would force the
mouse to run in some kind of "MSDOS compatibility mode", as is the
case with some storage devices when their protected mode drivers
aren't configured correctly. But that's just a WAG ...

- Franc Zabkar
--
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Gary S. Terhune · External Since: Mar 17, 2004 Posts: 4357

My intuitive take is that only if the PM drivers don't load for some reason
do any RM drivers that have been loaded stay in action. But, then, I do
recall people occasionally having issues when trying to start Windows from
"true DOS" mode using the WIN command in Win95/98, probably from RM/PM
conflicts, so it's not likely always a clean process. In short (my brain is
befuddled this evening), my understanding is that when Windows 95/98 loads
normally, it bypasses loading most, if not all, RM drivers, unless specified
by autoexec.bat and/or config.sys. And any subsequent loading of PM drivers
trumps any RM drivers that have been previously loaded -- with luck.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP -- Shell/User
http://grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar RemoveThis @iinternode.on.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:36:46 -0800, "Gary S. Terhune"
> <grystnews RemoveThis @mvps.org> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>
> >AFAIK, yes, that's the case. Sorry, I didn't understand before that your
> >purpose was to use the CTMOUSE driver in a DOS window, as opposed to in
> >real-mode DOS. AFAIK, it's generally true that you can't load real-mode
> >drivers under Windows. I'm not *certain* that it's *always* the case, but
> >it's generally the case.
>
> I was hoping that loading a DOS driver in autoexec.bat would force the
> mouse to run in some kind of "MSDOS compatibility mode", as is the
> case with some storage devices when their protected mode drivers
> aren't configured correctly. But that's just a WAG ...
>
> - Franc Zabkar
> --
> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

T-Online · External Since: Feb 12, 2007 Posts: 2

And how can i load the CD-Driver in Safe-Mode? If you "can't" load any
real-mode drivers?

Gary S. Terhune schrieb:
it's generally true that you can't load real-mode
> drivers under Windows. I'm not *certain* that it's *always* the case, but
> it's generally the case.
>

Gary S. Terhune · External Since: Mar 17, 2004 Posts: 4357

Not sure I follow your question: Are you saying you can load real-mode CD
drivers in Safe Mode? Or are you asking how to?

Safe Mode doesn't load Virtual Mode drivers, only real-mode drivers. That's
one of the main reasons (the original reason, I believe) that it's called
Safe Mode. When I said "can't load them in Windows", read that as "Windows
Normal Mode".

And note, please, the caveat I provided. I don't know that this is
absolutely true in all cases.

--

Gary S. Terhune
MS-MVP Shell/User

"T-Online" <stefan.brockwitz RemoveThis @prodat.de> wrote in message
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> And how can i load the CD-Driver in Safe-Mode? If you "can't" load any
> real-mode drivers?
>
> Gary S. Terhune schrieb:
> it's generally true that you can't load real-mode
>> drivers under Windows. I'm not *certain* that it's *always* the case, but
>> it's generally the case.
>>
>