Accessing win2000 or XP files without 2000 or XP to do it.

mm · External Since: Sep 27, 2005 Posts: 50

Accessing win2000 or XP files without 2000 or XP to do it.

Thank you all for yesterday's advice about the win2000 box and
monitor. It's working now.

I also just got a second win2000 computer I'm supposed to fix up, and
it won't boot at all. Sad

Using any of the Safe modes displays a line for each file loaded and
there are only 5 or 6 when it tries to load

C:\WINNT\System32\config\system and then its copy
system.alt .

Neither works I presume and the next line is a message that the first
one is missing or corrupt.

If this were win98 or 95 or 3.1, I would boot into DOS and look
around. I would get another copy of the file from the net or someone
I know and copy it in.

It's not that easy with win2000 or XP, is it? Assuming I could get a
copy of this file (and it wasn't an unusual file like "System", and
assume the partition used on the computer is NTFS, how can I copy it
in, short of moving the harddrive to another computer to be a slave
drive? And short of reinstalling win2000.

Is there any kind of small bootable OS that will fit on a floppy that
will write a file to an NTFS partiton. I can change the BIOS to
boot from a CD. Is there any large bootable non-expensive OS that
will write a file to an NTFS partition?

Can win2000 also read FAT32? If it turns out the partition is FAT32,
can I copy a file to a CD, boot with a DOS 7 or 8*** boot disk with CD
support, ***the DOS that precedes or introduces win98, and then copy
in the file? The answer is NO, right, because DOS doesn't understand
NTFS. There never was and never will be a DOS that understands
NTFS??

So how are people supposed to repair a windows NT, 2000, or XP
installation if they only have one OS on their hard drive, like most
people do?

Thanks for any help you can give.

Dave Patrick · External Since: Oct 18, 2005 Posts: 3525

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"mm" wrote:
> Accessing win2000 or XP files without 2000 or XP to do it.
>
> Thank you all for yesterday's advice about the win2000 box and
> monitor. It's working now.
>
> I also just got a second win2000 computer I'm supposed to fix up, and
> it won't boot at all. Sad

>
> Using any of the Safe modes displays a line for each file loaded and
> there are only 5 or 6 when it tries to load
>
> C:\WINNT\System32\config\system and then its copy
> system.alt .
>
> Neither works I presume and the next line is a message that the first
> one is missing or corrupt.
>
> If this were win98 or 95 or 3.1, I would boot into DOS and look
> around. I would get another copy of the file from the net or someone
> I know and copy it in.
>
> It's not that easy with win2000 or XP, is it? Assuming I could get a
> copy of this file (and it wasn't an unusual file like "System", and
> assume the partition used on the computer is NTFS, how can I copy it
> in, short of moving the harddrive to another computer to be a slave
> drive? And short of reinstalling win2000.
>
> Is there any kind of small bootable OS that will fit on a floppy that
> will write a file to an NTFS partiton. I can change the BIOS to
> boot from a CD. Is there any large bootable non-expensive OS that
> will write a file to an NTFS partition?
>
> Can win2000 also read FAT32? If it turns out the partition is FAT32,
> can I copy a file to a CD, boot with a DOS 7 or 8*** boot disk with CD
> support, ***the DOS that precedes or introduces win98, and then copy
> in the file? The answer is NO, right, because DOS doesn't understand
> NTFS. There never was and never will be a DOS that understands
> NTFS??
>
> So how are people supposed to repair a windows NT, 2000, or XP
> installation if they only have one OS on their hard drive, like most
> people do?
>
> Thanks for any help you can give.

nomail · External Since: Aug 10, 2009 Posts: 1

On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:52:41 -0400, mm <NOPSAMmm2005.TakeThisOut@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

[snip]

>Is there any kind of small bootable OS that will fit on a floppy that
> will write a file to an NTFS partiton. I can change the BIOS to
>boot from a CD. Is there any large bootable non-expensive OS that
>will write a file to an NTFS partition?
>
Suggest you get a linux live CD for emergency use. There are many
flavours (e.g. Ubuntu 9.04) which will read from, and write to,
NTFS and FAT32 partitions. And it's free.

___________________
Graeme Challinor

Paul · External Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 3

mm wrote:
> Accessing win2000 or XP files without 2000 or XP to do it.
>
<<snip>>
>

Actually, there is a way to do it from DOS.

http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/11/avira_ntfs4dos_personal.html

http://www.free-av.com/documents/products/pdf/en/man_avira_ntfs4dos_pers_en.pdf

That is more a trivia item, than something practical. If
you're a real DOS person, maybe it would be more meaningful
to you. I find it takes me too long to get my DOS boot
floppy all set up just right for the task at hand.

I use a Linux LiveCD (Knoppix), when I want to do some maintenance
on FAT32 or NTFS partitions.

Paul

mm · External Since: Sep 27, 2005 Posts: 50

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:00:33 +1000, nomail.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com wrote:

>On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:52:41 -0400, mm <NOPSAMmm2005.TakeThisOut@bigfoot.com>
>wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>Is there any kind of small bootable OS that will fit on a floppy that
>> will write a file to an NTFS partiton. I can change the BIOS to
>>boot from a CD. Is there any large bootable non-expensive OS that
>>will write a file to an NTFS partition?
>>
>Suggest you get a linux live CD for emergency use. There are many
>flavours (e.g. Ubuntu 9.04) which will read from, and write to,
>NTFS and FAT32 partitions. And it's free.

My plan is to do what Dave says, but this sounds very good too.

I've been hoping to learn something about Linux for a long time.

Thanks to you and Paul.
>
>
>___________________
>Graeme Challinor
>
>

mm · External Since: Sep 27, 2005 Posts: 50

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:51:33 -0400, Paul <nospam.TakeThisOut@needed.com> wrote:

>mm wrote:
>> Accessing win2000 or XP files without 2000 or XP to do it.
>>
><<snip>>
>>
>
>Actually, there is a way to do it from DOS.
>
>http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/11/avira_ntfs4dos_personal.html
>
>http://www.free-av.com/documents/products/pdf/en/man_avira_ntfs4dos_pers_en.pdf

Thanks.

>That is more a trivia item, than something practical. If
>you're a real DOS person, maybe it would be more meaningful
>to you. I find it takes me too long to get my DOS boot
>floppy all set up just right for the task at hand.
>
>I use a Linux LiveCD (Knoppix), when I want to do some maintenance
>on FAT32 or NTFS partitions.

Sounds good.

What is the difference between the ones with Adriane and the ones
without Adriane, like:

KNOPPIX_V6.0.1-ADRIANE_V1.1CD-2009-02-08-EN.iso versus

KNOPPIX_V6.0.1CD-2009-02-08-EN.iso

The first is 660558 KB 2/10/09 11:53:00 AM
and the second is the same but 2 minutes later.

at
ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/dist/knoppix/

> Paul
>

Paul · External Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 3

mm wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:51:33 -0400, Paul <nospam RemoveThis @needed.com> wrote:
>
>> mm wrote:
>>> Accessing win2000 or XP files without 2000 or XP to do it.
>>>
>> <<snip>>
>> Actually, there is a way to do it from DOS.
>>
>> http://www.free-av.com/en/tools/11/avira_ntfs4dos_personal.html
>>
>> http://www.free-av.com/documents/products/pdf/en/man_avira_ntfs4dos_pers_en.pdf
>
> Thanks.
>
>> That is more a trivia item, than something practical. If
>> you're a real DOS person, maybe it would be more meaningful
>> to you. I find it takes me too long to get my DOS boot
>> floppy all set up just right for the task at hand.
>>
>> I use a Linux LiveCD (Knoppix), when I want to do some maintenance
>> on FAT32 or NTFS partitions.
>
> Sounds good.
>
> What is the difference between the ones with Adriane and the ones
> without Adriane, like:
>
> KNOPPIX_V6.0.1-ADRIANE_V1.1CD-2009-02-08-EN.iso versus
>
> KNOPPIX_V6.0.1CD-2009-02-08-EN.iso
>
> The first is 660558 KB 2/10/09 11:53:00 AM
> and the second is the same but 2 minutes later.
>
> at
> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/dist/knoppix/
>
>> Paul
>>
>

http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix60-en.html

"A.D.R.I.A.N.E. (Audio Desktop Reference Implementation And Networking Environment)
is a talking menu system, which is supposed to make work and internet
access easier for computer beginners, even if they have no sight
contact to the computers monitor. A graphical environment with also
talking programs and arbitrary magnification using compiz-fusion,
is another option."

The Adriane option helps if you're visually impaired.

Paul

mm · External Since: Sep 27, 2005 Posts: 50

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:34:57 -0400, Paul <nospam.RemoveThis@needed.com> wrote:

>
>
>http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/knoppix60-en.html
>
> "A.D.R.I.A.N.E. (Audio Desktop Reference Implementation And Networking Environment)
> is a talking menu system, which is supposed to make work and internet
> access easier for computer beginners, even if they have no sight
> contact to the computers monitor. A graphical environment with also
> talking programs and arbitrary magnification using compiz-fusion,
> is another option."
>
>The Adriane option helps if you're visually impaired.
>
> Paul

Thanks again. I'm semding a copy of this to my friend Adriane.

I guess I'll use the other one.
>