Virus generalities

JimL · External Since: Aug 14, 2009 Posts: 13

XP Pro, SP3, etc.

You run 3 major anti-virus programs and come up clean. Then you run a
fourth one and it lists 59 trojans.

What do you think about that fourth anti-virus.

Thanks

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JimL

Daave · External Since: May 06, 2009 Posts: 71

JimL wrote:
> XP Pro, SP3, etc.

I have no idea what "etc." means in this context! I doubt anybody else
does either.

> You run 3 major anti-virus programs and come up clean. Then you run a
> fourth one and it lists 59 trojans.
>
> What do you think about that fourth anti-virus.

Is this a hypothetical? Or is this something that actually happened to
you? If the latter, which three programs didn't find anything? And which
program claimed to find 59 trojans? And what are some of the names of
these trojans (five would be plenty)?

If it's a hypothetical, my guess would be the fourth program was a rogue
antipyware program and it would also pop up windows constantly urging
you to purchase the means to get rid of the "trojans." Then again,
there's not enough information, so I have no idea!

JimL · External Since: Aug 14, 2009 Posts: 13

"Daave" <daave.RemoveThis@example.com> wrote in message
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> JimL wrote:
>> XP Pro, SP3, etc.
>
> I have no idea what "etc." means in this context! I doubt anybody else
> does either.

Beside the point.

>> You run 3 major anti-virus programs and come up clean. Then you run a
>> fourth one and it lists 59 trojans.
>>
>> What do you think about that fourth anti-virus.
>
> Is this a hypothetical? Or is this something that actually happened to
> you?

It happened.

> If the latter, which three programs didn't find anything?

Actually four. Avira, a-Squared, SuperantiSpyware and Microsoft MSRT. All
ran at full scan and MSRT took an hour and a half on around 30 GB.

> And which program claimed to find 59 trojans?

MalwareBytes

> And what are some of the names of these trojans (five would be plenty)?

Hm, it isn't real specific. It listed 6 as Trojan.Zlob, 1 as
Rogue.Multiple, an Adware.Hotbar and the rest as Trojan.Agent.

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JimL

David B. · External Since: Aug 09, 2007 Posts: 46

Not hard to believe that MSRT didn't find anything. I would tend to believe
what Malwarebytes is telling you, but I'd visit their support forum for more
targeted assistance.

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"JimL" <invalid.TakeThisOut@invalid.inv> wrote in message
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> "Daave" <daave.TakeThisOut@example.com> wrote in message
> news:OclOCUWWKHA.3404@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> JimL wrote:
>>> XP Pro, SP3, etc.
>>
>> I have no idea what "etc." means in this context! I doubt anybody else
>> does either.
>
> Beside the point.
>
>>> You run 3 major anti-virus programs and come up clean. Then you run a
>>> fourth one and it lists 59 trojans.
>>>
>>> What do you think about that fourth anti-virus.
>>
>> Is this a hypothetical? Or is this something that actually happened to
>> you?
>
> It happened.
>
>> If the latter, which three programs didn't find anything?
>
> Actually four. Avira, a-Squared, SuperantiSpyware and Microsoft MSRT. All
> ran at full scan and MSRT took an hour and a half on around 30 GB.
>
>> And which program claimed to find 59 trojans?
>
> MalwareBytes
>
>> And what are some of the names of these trojans (five would be plenty)?
>
> Hm, it isn't real specific. It listed 6 as Trojan.Zlob, 1 as
> Rogue.Multiple, an Adware.Hotbar and the rest as Trojan.Agent.
>
> --
> JimL
>
>

JimL · External Since: Aug 14, 2009 Posts: 13

"David B." <mail.TakeThisOut@nomail.net> wrote in message
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> I would tend to believe what Malwarebytes is telling you,

I have a little trouble with that. I've had a single Zlob before and it
gave me all sorts of trouble. 6 Zlobs with 50 cousins and no issues? Can't
really believe that.

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JimL

Daave · External Since: May 06, 2009 Posts: 71

JimL wrote:
> "Daave" <daave.RemoveThis@example.com> wrote in message
> news:OclOCUWWKHA.3404@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> JimL wrote:
>>> XP Pro, SP3, etc.
>>
>> I have no idea what "etc." means in this context! I doubt anybody
>> else does either.
>
> Beside the point.

?

>>> You run 3 major anti-virus programs and come up clean. Then you
>>> run a fourth one and it lists 59 trojans.
>>>
>>> What do you think about that fourth anti-virus.
>>
>> Is this a hypothetical? Or is this something that actually happened
>> to you?
>
> It happened.
>
>> If the latter, which three programs didn't find anything?
>
> Actually four. Avira, a-Squared, SuperantiSpyware and Microsoft MSRT.
> All ran at full scan and MSRT took an hour and a half on around 30 GB.
>
>> And which program claimed to find 59 trojans?
>
> MalwareBytes
>
>> And what are some of the names of these trojans (five would be
>> plenty)?
>
> Hm, it isn't real specific. It listed 6 as Trojan.Zlob, 1 as
> Rogue.Multiple, an Adware.Hotbar and the rest as Trojan.Agent.

MBAM is one of the best. I would assume it's correct.

Twayne · External Since: Jan 08, 2009 Posts: 185

In news:hceonm$9sf$1@news.eternal-september.org,
JimL <invalid.DeleteThis@invalid.inv>hceonm$9sf$1@news.eternal-september.org
typed:

: : XP Pro, SP3, etc.
: :
: : You run 3 major anti-virus programs and come up clean.
: : Then you run a fourth one and it lists 59 trojans.
: :
: : What do you think about that fourth anti-virus.
: :
: : Thanks
: :
: : --
: : JimL

Depends on the maker of each program. Which ones? 3 trash and a good
one, or 3 good ones and a trash? You gave no data to work with
realistically.

JimL · External Since: Aug 14, 2009 Posts: 13

"Twayne" <nobody DeleteThis @devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
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> In news:hceonm$9sf$1@news.eternal-september.org,
> JimL <invalid DeleteThis @invalid.inv>hceonm$9sf$1@news.eternal-september.org
> typed:
>
> : : XP Pro, SP3, etc.
> : :
> : : You run 3 major anti-virus programs and come up clean.
> : : Then you run a fourth one and it lists 59 trojans.
> : :
> : : What do you think about that fourth anti-virus.
> : :
> : : Thanks
> : :
> : : --
> : : JimL
>
> Depends on the maker of each program. Which ones?

Pleaes note the Subject line.

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For most of us the most danger is most politicians.

JimL

Anon · External Since: Jan 27, 2007 Posts: 12

all I know in this case- my wifes computer was taking forever to boot up,
and CPU showed minimal load - less than 10% use, but it would take >1 minute
to bring up IE, or open any other program and the mouse was in very slow
motion and it could take several minutes to bring up Word and it could take
10-15 seconds for every keystroke to register. this program found the 3
remote processes and shut them down- I suspect they were bot nets and I
was a bit surprised that MBAM did not find them-this time.

MBAM has worked well for me in the past, as it had found some issues on my
own machine a few months earlier- when I had a computer at work get infected
from google (frequent ad popups) including the 59 virus popup window- a
definite pop up ad/spyware tactic. The night before, a google infection at
home (different google search, but no navigating to listed sites)- making it
two different infections just by visiting google. A friend in Sweden
recommended MBAM and it immediately found 3 infected dll's , and
registries- found virtumonde, superjuan, Vundo and about 5 problems in all.
At the time, he told me MBAM was the only thing that was able to clean his
machine- and he had pretty much used the same stuff I was trying to use.

Since then i have found problems with MSNBC.com and pulse360 ads (more
nuisance and offensive rather than malware). I have used the MS hosts list
to block this and all the usual suspects.
Now my only problem is IE won't browse backwards a lot (IE 8 problem?)

My only point was to ask why someone called advanced system care snake oil,
since I found it on cnet with high ratings- and did not think I had to worry
about it, and just assume that of all the packages I use, in conjunction
with each other- they all take turns being either ahead or behind on the
latest threats out there. I'm certainly not a spammer pushing one program
(advanced system care) I use all that I mentioned and am concerned if there
is valid merit for dissing this package vs a person who just figured I was
spamming.

I did see the other day that MBAM is accusing these guys of ripping off
their code, so that has me concerned that if they are, support for this
package may soon evaporate- if it was "smoke and mirrors" or plagiarism (vs
snake oil) or a bit of both<G>. and I found out the company was based in
China- so that has my suspicions up too... so lets define 'snake oil' as I
am already leery of running this one ever again.

And just for those concerned- I'll use anything that gets the job done, as
soon as the next one comes out, and it clears the peer scrutiny (not a wolf
in disguise), I'm not afraid to use new stuff. but I do appreciate
everyone's feedback in calling out onto the carpet the less genuine
products.

All I'm asking for is details instead of categorizations without supporting
rationale when we start condemning products.

Thanks

"JimL" <invalid.TakeThisOut@invalid.inv> wrote in message
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> "Twayne" <nobody.TakeThisOut@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:%23cQdz3CXKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> In news:hceonm$9sf$1@news.eternal-september.org,
>> JimL <invalid.TakeThisOut@invalid.inv>hceonm$9sf$1@news.eternal-september.org
>> typed:
>>
>> : : XP Pro, SP3, etc.
>> : :
>> : : You run 3 major anti-virus programs and come up clean.
>> : : Then you run a fourth one and it lists 59 trojans.
>> : :
>> : : What do you think about that fourth anti-virus.
>> : :
>> : : Thanks
>> : :
>> : : --
>> : : JimL
>>
>> Depends on the maker of each program. Which ones?
>
> Pleaes note the Subject line.
>
> --
> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
>
> JimL
>
>

Hot-text · External Since: Nov 18, 2009 Posts: 1

shut them Taskbar off it will help

A wife computer do taking forever to boot up
And with all the Processes they run like Logitech, Yahoo!, MSN Messenger,
games and it go on and on
And Spyware like Google and on and on it go
and if you say BB shut them Taskbar off so you can boot up faster and say I
need them go away it my PC.

O that's my live LOOL

"Anon" <anon.RemoveThis@onandon.com> wrote in message
news:e9WvHUKZKHA.1596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> all I know in this case- my wifes computer was taking forever to boot up,
> and CPU showed minimal load - less than 10% use, but it would take >1
> minute to bring up IE, or open any other program and the mouse was in very
> slow motion and it could take several minutes to bring up Word and it
> could take 10-15 seconds for every keystroke to register. this program
> found the 3 remote processes and shut them down- I suspect they were bot
> nets and I was a bit surprised that MBAM did not find them-this time.
>
> MBAM has worked well for me in the past, as it had found some issues on
> my own machine a few months earlier- when I had a computer at work get
> infected from google (frequent ad popups) including the 59 virus popup
> window- a definite pop up ad/spyware tactic. The night before, a google
> infection at home (different google search, but no navigating to listed
> sites)- making it two different infections just by visiting google. A
> friend in Sweden recommended MBAM and it immediately found 3 infected
> dll's , and registries- found virtumonde, superjuan, Vundo and about 5
> problems in all. At the time, he told me MBAM was the only thing that was
> able to clean his machine- and he had pretty much used the same stuff I
> was trying to use.
>
> Since then i have found problems with MSNBC.com and pulse360 ads (more
> nuisance and offensive rather than malware). I have used the MS hosts list
> to block this and all the usual suspects.
> Now my only problem is IE won't browse backwards a lot (IE 8 problem?)
>
> My only point was to ask why someone called advanced system care snake
> oil, since I found it on cnet with high ratings- and did not think I had
> to worry about it, and just assume that of all the packages I use, in
> conjunction with each other- they all take turns being either ahead or
> behind on the latest threats out there. I'm certainly not a spammer
> pushing one program (advanced system care) I use all that I mentioned and
> am concerned if there is valid merit for dissing this package vs a person
> who just figured I was spamming.
>
> I did see the other day that MBAM is accusing these guys of ripping off
> their code, so that has me concerned that if they are, support for this
> package may soon evaporate- if it was "smoke and mirrors" or plagiarism
> (vs snake oil) or a bit of both<G>. and I found out the company was
> based in China- so that has my suspicions up too... so lets define 'snake
> oil' as I am already leery of running this one ever again.
>
> And just for those concerned- I'll use anything that gets the job done, as
> soon as the next one comes out, and it clears the peer scrutiny (not a
> wolf in disguise), I'm not afraid to use new stuff. but I do appreciate
> everyone's feedback in calling out onto the carpet the less genuine
> products.
>
> All I'm asking for is details instead of categorizations without
> supporting rationale when we start condemning products.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> "JimL" <invalid.RemoveThis@invalid.inv> wrote in message
> news:hdk3ff$3qa$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> "Twayne" <nobody.RemoveThis@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
>> news:%23cQdz3CXKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> In news:hceonm$9sf$1@news.eternal-september.org,
>>> JimL <invalid.RemoveThis@invalid.inv>hceonm$9sf$1@news.eternal-september.org
>>> typed:
>>>
>>> : : XP Pro, SP3, etc.
>>> : :
>>> : : You run 3 major anti-virus programs and come up clean.
>>> : : Then you run a fourth one and it lists 59 trojans.
>>> : :
>>> : : What do you think about that fourth anti-virus.
>>> : :
>>> : : Thanks
>>> : :
>>> : : --
>>> : : JimL
>>>
>>> Depends on the maker of each program. Which ones?
>>
>> Pleaes note the Subject line.
>>
>> --
>> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
>>
>> JimL
>>
>>
>
>

David B. · External Since: Aug 09, 2007 Posts: 46

You want to repeat that in something that actually resembles the English
language?

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"Hot-text" <hot-text.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> shut them Taskbar off it will help
>
>
> A wife computer do taking forever to boot up
> And with all the Processes they run like Logitech, Yahoo!, MSN Messenger,
> games and it go on and on
> And Spyware like Google and on and on it go
> and if you say BB shut them Taskbar off so you can boot up faster and say
> I need them go away it my PC.
>
> O that's my live LOOL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Anon" <anon.RemoveThis@onandon.com> wrote in message
> news:e9WvHUKZKHA.1596@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> all I know in this case- my wifes computer was taking forever to boot up,
>> and CPU showed minimal load - less than 10% use, but it would take >1
>> minute to bring up IE, or open any other program and the mouse was in
>> very slow motion and it could take several minutes to bring up Word and
>> it could take 10-15 seconds for every keystroke to register. this
>> program found the 3 remote processes and shut them down- I suspect they
>> were bot nets and I was a bit surprised that MBAM did not find them-this
>> time.
>>
>> MBAM has worked well for me in the past, as it had found some issues on
>> my own machine a few months earlier- when I had a computer at work get
>> infected from google (frequent ad popups) including the 59 virus popup
>> window- a definite pop up ad/spyware tactic. The night before, a google
>> infection at home (different google search, but no navigating to listed
>> sites)- making it two different infections just by visiting google. A
>> friend in Sweden recommended MBAM and it immediately found 3 infected
>> dll's , and registries- found virtumonde, superjuan, Vundo and about 5
>> problems in all. At the time, he told me MBAM was the only thing that was
>> able to clean his machine- and he had pretty much used the same stuff I
>> was trying to use.
>>
>> Since then i have found problems with MSNBC.com and pulse360 ads (more
>> nuisance and offensive rather than malware). I have used the MS hosts
>> list to block this and all the usual suspects.
>> Now my only problem is IE won't browse backwards a lot (IE 8 problem?)
>>
>> My only point was to ask why someone called advanced system care snake
>> oil, since I found it on cnet with high ratings- and did not think I had
>> to worry about it, and just assume that of all the packages I use, in
>> conjunction with each other- they all take turns being either ahead or
>> behind on the latest threats out there. I'm certainly not a spammer
>> pushing one program (advanced system care) I use all that I mentioned and
>> am concerned if there is valid merit for dissing this package vs a person
>> who just figured I was spamming.
>>
>> I did see the other day that MBAM is accusing these guys of ripping off
>> their code, so that has me concerned that if they are, support for this
>> package may soon evaporate- if it was "smoke and mirrors" or plagiarism
>> (vs snake oil) or a bit of both<G>. and I found out the company was
>> based in China- so that has my suspicions up too... so lets define 'snake
>> oil' as I am already leery of running this one ever again.
>>
>> And just for those concerned- I'll use anything that gets the job done,
>> as soon as the next one comes out, and it clears the peer scrutiny (not a
>> wolf in disguise), I'm not afraid to use new stuff. but I do appreciate
>> everyone's feedback in calling out onto the carpet the less genuine
>> products.
>>
>> All I'm asking for is details instead of categorizations without
>> supporting rationale when we start condemning products.
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> "JimL" <invalid.RemoveThis@invalid.inv> wrote in message
>> news:hdk3ff$3qa$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> "Twayne" <nobody.RemoveThis@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
>>> news:%23cQdz3CXKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> In news:hceonm$9sf$1@news.eternal-september.org,
>>>> JimL <invalid.RemoveThis@invalid.inv>hceonm$9sf$1@news.eternal-september.org
>>>> typed:
>>>>
>>>> : : XP Pro, SP3, etc.
>>>> : :
>>>> : : You run 3 major anti-virus programs and come up clean.
>>>> : : Then you run a fourth one and it lists 59 trojans.
>>>> : :
>>>> : : What do you think about that fourth anti-virus.
>>>> : :
>>>> : : Thanks
>>>> : :
>>>> : : --
>>>> : : JimL
>>>>
>>>> Depends on the maker of each program. Which ones?
>>>
>>> Pleaes note the Subject line.
>>>
>>> --
>>> For most of us the most danger is most politicians.
>>>
>>> JimL
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

JimL · External Since: Aug 14, 2009 Posts: 13

"Hot-text" <hot-text.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> All You Need Is Yahoo Tool Bar with CA its free with ToolBar
> No Spyware in it http://toolbar.yahoo.com/

Yahoo and "no spyware" in the same sentence? Now THAT is twisted language.

--
For most of us the most danger is most politicians.

JimL