What doesn't PM8 like my partition? Errors 107 and 108

micky · External Since: Sep 24, 2011 Posts: 15

How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything works
fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for win2000.
I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition Magic
8.

It says the errors are: " #107 Partition begins after end of disk
This error can occur if a partition erroneously extends beyond the
physical end of the hard disk. This may happen if the hard disk has
been used on a different computer or with a different hard-disk
controller or if BIOS settings have been changed. Be advised that the
physical geometry of the hard disk may differ from the logical
geometry assigned to the hard disk by the operating system.

#108 Partition doesn't end at end of cylinder
The hard-disk partition table contains erroneous values.
PartitionMagic expects partitions to begin and end on the correct
cylinder boundaries. If they do not, the disk may be partially
corrupted. In this circumstance, if PartitionMagic were to make any
modifications it might cause the loss of data. Therefore,
PartitionMagic refuses to recognize any of the hard disk's partitions.
To resolve this problem, see the instructions in Resolving partition
table errors."

I wanted to replace the bad HDD in my old IBM Thinkpad 600E laptop,
which was 4GB, with 10GB, but I ended up with 40GB.

So I made the WinME partition 10GB. Hey, why not! And after a little
help from you guys, WinME was (and is) working fine, as well as it can
since so many programs don't work with it anymore.

So I planned to install win2000 in another partition. WinME Fdisk
wouldn't make another partition (said there was no room on the disk) ,
nor would the freeware on Hirens' Boot CD: Smart FDisk, Extended
FDisk, Parted whatever, etc.

So I dug out Partition Magic 8 and booted from it, then installed it.

Then I ran Partiinfo.exe and it said (I think I aligned the columns
correctly.)

PowerQuest PartitionInfo 8.0 -- Windows 95/98/Me Version
Date Generated: 09/23/11 22:12:25
Copyright (c)1994-2002, PowerQuest Corporation
Permission is granted for this utility to be freely copied so long
as it is not modified in any way. All other rights are reserved.

PowerQuest, makers of PartitionMagic(r), Drive Image(tm), and
DriveCopy(tm), can be reached at:
Voice: 801-437-8900
Fax: 801-226-8941
Web site: http://www.powerquest.com/support/
E-mail: magic.RemoveThis@powerquest.com

General System Information:
Total Physical Memory (bytes): 301,277,184
Used Physical Memory: (bytes): 268,517,376
Maximum Page File Size: (bytes): 1,846,202,368
Current Page File Size: (bytes): 129,540,096

===========================================================================================================
Disk Geometry Information for Disk 1: 1071 Cylinders, 240 Heads,
63 Sectors/Track

System PartSect # Boot BCyl Head Sect FS ECyl
===========================================================================================================
NO NAME 0 0 80 0 1 1 0C 1023

Head Sect StartSect NumSects
===========================================================================================================
149 63 63 20,466,747

Info: Begin C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
Info: End C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
Actual values are:
0 0 80 0 1 1 0C 1353 149 63 63 20466747

Error #109: Partition ends after end of disk.
ucEndCylinder (1353) must be less than 1071.
Error #108: Partition didn't end on cylinder boundary.
ucEndHead expected to be 239, not 149.

===========================================================================================================
Partition Information for Disk 1: 7,907.0 Megabytes
Volume PartType Status Size MB PartSect #
===========================================================================================================
C:NO NAME FAT32X Pri,Boot 9,993.5 0 0

StartSect Total Sects
===========================================================================================================
63 20,466,747
===========================================================================================================
Boot Record for drive C: (Drive: 1, Starting sector: 63, Type:
FAT32)

===========================================================================================================
1. Jump: EB 58 90
2. OEM Name: MSWIN4.1
3. Bytes per Sector: 512
4. Sectors per Cluster: 16
5. Reserved Sectors: 32
6. Number of FAT's: 2
7. Reserved: 0x0000
8. Reserved: 0x0000
9. Media Descriptor: 0xF8
10. Sectors per FAT: 0
11. Sectors per Track: 63 (0x3F)
12. Number of Heads: 240 (0xF0)
13. Hidden Sectors: 63 (0x3F)
14. Big Total Sectors: 20466747 (0x1384C3B)
15. Big Sectors per FAT: 9985
16. Extended Flags: 0x0000
17. FS Version: 0
18. First Cluster of Root: 2 (0x2)
19. FS Info Sector: 1
20. Backup Boot Sector: 6
21. Reserved: 000000000000000000000000
22. Drive ID: 0x80
23. Reserved for NT: 0x00
24. Extended Boot Sig: 0x29
25. Serial Number: 0x0DFD1695
26. Volume Name: NO NAME
27. File System Type: FAT32
28. Boot Signature: 0xAA55

Thanks for any help.

VanguardLH · External Since: Jan 22, 2009 Posts: 195

micky wrote:

> How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything works
> fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for win2000.
> I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition Magic
> 8. ...

Powerquest and their products got acquired by Symantec way back in Dec
2003 (http://www.symantec.com/press/2003/n031208.html). Symantec hasn't
updated any of those products. That means you are using a very ancient
vesion of Partition Magic (which already had problems generating errors
back when it was new for that version and also supported). It had
problems way back then and they never got fixed.

Use something that supports your OS and is recent, like Easeus Partition
Master (free for Home Edition and more than sufficient for your needs).

micky · External Since: Sep 24, 2011 Posts: 15

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 00:56:38 -0400, micky
wrote:

>How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything works
>fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for win2000.
>I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition Magic
>8.

I forgot to say that I partitioned the disk with a USB connection to a
WinXP Pro computer, probably using Easeus Partition Master. It's
FAT32.

I thought I once had software that would enable me to change
parrtition boundaries, by entering the Cyclinder and Track numbers,
for, say, the end of a partition. But I can't remember what that was.

Anyone know?

>It says the errors are: " #107 Partition begins after end of disk
> This error can occur if a partition erroneously extends beyond the
>physical end of the hard disk. This may happen if the hard disk has
>been used on a different computer or with a different hard-disk
>controller or if BIOS settings have been changed. Be advised that the
>physical geometry of the hard disk may differ from the logical
>geometry assigned to the hard disk by the operating system.
>
> #108 Partition doesn't end at end of cylinder
> The hard-disk partition table contains erroneous values.
>PartitionMagic expects partitions to begin and end on the correct
>cylinder boundaries. If they do not, the disk may be partially
>corrupted. In this circumstance, if PartitionMagic were to make any
>modifications it might cause the loss of data. Therefore,
>PartitionMagic refuses to recognize any of the hard disk's partitions.
>To resolve this problem, see the instructions in Resolving partition
>table errors."
>
>I wanted to replace the bad HDD in my old IBM Thinkpad 600E laptop,
>which was 4GB, with 10GB, but I ended up with 40GB.
>
>So I made the WinME partition 10GB. Hey, why not! And after a little
>help from you guys, WinME was (and is) working fine, as well as it can
>since so many programs don't work with it anymore.
>
>So I planned to install win2000 in another partition. WinME Fdisk
>wouldn't make another partition (said there was no room on the disk) ,
>nor would the freeware on Hirens' Boot CD: Smart FDisk, Extended
>FDisk, Parted whatever, etc.
>
>So I dug out Partition Magic 8 and booted from it, then installed it.
>
>Then I ran Partiinfo.exe and it said (I think I aligned the columns
>correctly.)
>
>PowerQuest PartitionInfo 8.0 -- Windows 95/98/Me Version
>Date Generated: 09/23/11 22:12:25
>Copyright (c)1994-2002, PowerQuest Corporation
>Permission is granted for this utility to be freely copied so long
>as it is not modified in any way. All other rights are reserved.
>
>PowerQuest, makers of PartitionMagic(r), Drive Image(tm), and
>DriveCopy(tm), can be reached at:
> Voice: 801-437-8900
> Fax: 801-226-8941
> Web site: http://www.powerquest.com/support/
> E-mail: magic.DeleteThis@powerquest.com
>
>General System Information:
> Total Physical Memory (bytes): 301,277,184
> Used Physical Memory: (bytes): 268,517,376
> Maximum Page File Size: (bytes): 1,846,202,368
> Current Page File Size: (bytes): 129,540,096
>
>===========================================================================================================
>Disk Geometry Information for Disk 1: 1071 Cylinders, 240 Heads,
>63 Sectors/Track
>
>System PartSect # Boot BCyl Head Sect FS ECyl
>===========================================================================================================
>NO NAME 0 0 80 0 1 1 0C 1023
>
>Head Sect StartSect NumSects
>===========================================================================================================
>149 63 63 20,466,747
>
>Info: Begin C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
>Info: End C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
> Actual values are:
> 0 0 80 0 1 1 0C 1353 149 63 63 20466747
>
>Error #109: Partition ends after end of disk.
> ucEndCylinder (1353) must be less than 1071.
>Error #108: Partition didn't end on cylinder boundary.
> ucEndHead expected to be 239, not 149.
>
>===========================================================================================================
>Partition Information for Disk 1: 7,907.0 Megabytes
>Volume PartType Status Size MB PartSect #
>===========================================================================================================
>C:NO NAME FAT32X Pri,Boot 9,993.5 0 0
>
>StartSect Total Sects
>===========================================================================================================
>63 20,466,747
>===========================================================================================================
>Boot Record for drive C: (Drive: 1, Starting sector: 63, Type:
>FAT32)
>
>===========================================================================================================
> 1. Jump: EB 58 90
> 2. OEM Name: MSWIN4.1
> 3. Bytes per Sector: 512
> 4. Sectors per Cluster: 16
> 5. Reserved Sectors: 32
> 6. Number of FAT's: 2
> 7. Reserved: 0x0000
> 8. Reserved: 0x0000
> 9. Media Descriptor: 0xF8
>10. Sectors per FAT: 0
>11. Sectors per Track: 63 (0x3F)
>12. Number of Heads: 240 (0xF0)
>13. Hidden Sectors: 63 (0x3F)
>14. Big Total Sectors: 20466747 (0x1384C3B)
>15. Big Sectors per FAT: 9985
>16. Extended Flags: 0x0000
>17. FS Version: 0
>18. First Cluster of Root: 2 (0x2)
>19. FS Info Sector: 1
>20. Backup Boot Sector: 6
>21. Reserved: 000000000000000000000000
>22. Drive ID: 0x80
>23. Reserved for NT: 0x00
>24. Extended Boot Sig: 0x29
>25. Serial Number: 0x0DFD1695
>26. Volume Name: NO NAME
>27. File System Type: FAT32
>28. Boot Signature: 0xAA55
>
>
>Thanks for any help.

micky · External Since: Sep 24, 2011 Posts: 15

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 01:30:25 -0400, micky
wrote:

>On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 00:56:38 -0400, micky
>wrote:
>
>>How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything works

Darn, it's 108 and 109! Not 107. Very sorry

>>fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for win2000.
>>I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition Magic
>>8.
>
>I forgot to say that I partitioned the disk with a USB connection to a
>WinXP Pro computer, probably using Easeus Partition Master. It's
>FAT32.
>
>I thought I once had software that would enable me to change
>parrtition boundaries, by entering the Cyclinder and Track numbers,
>for, say, the end of a partition. But I can't remember what that was.
>
>Anyone know?
>
>
>>It says the errors are:

"#109 Partition ends after end of disk
This error can occur if a partition erroneously extends beyond the
physical end of the hard disk. This may happen if the hard disk has
been used on a different computer or with a different hard-disk
controller or if BIOS settings have been changed. Be advised that the
physical geometry of the hard disk may differ from the logical
geometry assigned to the hard disk by the operating system.
>
>> #108 Partition doesn't end at end of cylinder
>> The hard-disk partition table contains erroneous values.
>>PartitionMagic expects partitions to begin and end on the correct
>>cylinder boundaries. If they do not, the disk may be partially
>>corrupted. In this circumstance, if PartitionMagic were to make any
>>modifications it might cause the loss of data. Therefore,
>>PartitionMagic refuses to recognize any of the hard disk's partitions.
>>To resolve this problem, see the instructions in Resolving partition
>>table errors."
>>
>>I wanted to replace the bad HDD in my old IBM Thinkpad 600E laptop,
>>which was 4GB, with 10GB, but I ended up with 40GB.
>>
>>So I made the WinME partition 10GB. Hey, why not! And after a little
>>help from you guys, WinME was (and is) working fine, as well as it can
>>since so many programs don't work with it anymore.
>>
>>So I planned to install win2000 in another partition. WinME Fdisk
>>wouldn't make another partition (said there was no room on the disk) ,
>>nor would the freeware on Hirens' Boot CD: Smart FDisk, Extended
>>FDisk, Parted whatever, etc.
>>
>>So I dug out Partition Magic 8 and booted from it, then installed it.
>>
>>Then I ran Partiinfo.exe and it said (I think I aligned the columns
>>correctly.)
>>
>>PowerQuest PartitionInfo 8.0 -- Windows 95/98/Me Version
>>Date Generated: 09/23/11 22:12:25
>>Copyright (c)1994-2002, PowerQuest Corporation
>>Permission is granted for this utility to be freely copied so long
>>as it is not modified in any way. All other rights are reserved.
>>
>>PowerQuest, makers of PartitionMagic(r), Drive Image(tm), and
>>DriveCopy(tm), can be reached at:
>> Voice: 801-437-8900
>> Fax: 801-226-8941
>> Web site: http://www.powerquest.com/support/
>> E-mail: magic RemoveThis @powerquest.com
>>
>>General System Information:
>> Total Physical Memory (bytes): 301,277,184
>> Used Physical Memory: (bytes): 268,517,376
>> Maximum Page File Size: (bytes): 1,846,202,368
>> Current Page File Size: (bytes): 129,540,096
>>
>>===========================================================================================================
>>Disk Geometry Information for Disk 1: 1071 Cylinders, 240 Heads,
>>63 Sectors/Track
>>
>>System PartSect # Boot BCyl Head Sect FS ECyl
>>===========================================================================================================
>>NO NAME 0 0 80 0 1 1 0C 1023
>>
>>Head Sect StartSect NumSects
>>===========================================================================================================
>>149 63 63 20,466,747
>>
>>Info: Begin C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
>>Info: End C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
>> Actual values are:
>> 0 0 80 0 1 1 0C 1353 149 63 63 20466747
>>
>>Error #109: Partition ends after end of disk.
>> ucEndCylinder (1353) must be less than 1071.
>>Error #108: Partition didn't end on cylinder boundary.
>> ucEndHead expected to be 239, not 149.
>>
>>===========================================================================================================
>>Partition Information for Disk 1: 7,907.0 Megabytes
>>Volume PartType Status Size MB PartSect #
>>===========================================================================================================
>>C:NO NAME FAT32X Pri,Boot 9,993.5 0 0
>>
>>StartSect Total Sects
>>===========================================================================================================
>>63 20,466,747
>>===========================================================================================================
>>Boot Record for drive C: (Drive: 1, Starting sector: 63, Type:
>>FAT32)
>>
>>===========================================================================================================
>> 1. Jump: EB 58 90
>> 2. OEM Name: MSWIN4.1
>> 3. Bytes per Sector: 512
>> 4. Sectors per Cluster: 16
>> 5. Reserved Sectors: 32
>> 6. Number of FAT's: 2
>> 7. Reserved: 0x0000
>> 8. Reserved: 0x0000
>> 9. Media Descriptor: 0xF8
>>10. Sectors per FAT: 0
>>11. Sectors per Track: 63 (0x3F)
>>12. Number of Heads: 240 (0xF0)
>>13. Hidden Sectors: 63 (0x3F)
>>14. Big Total Sectors: 20466747 (0x1384C3B)
>>15. Big Sectors per FAT: 9985
>>16. Extended Flags: 0x0000
>>17. FS Version: 0
>>18. First Cluster of Root: 2 (0x2)
>>19. FS Info Sector: 1
>>20. Backup Boot Sector: 6
>>21. Reserved: 000000000000000000000000
>>22. Drive ID: 0x80
>>23. Reserved for NT: 0x00
>>24. Extended Boot Sig: 0x29
>>25. Serial Number: 0x0DFD1695
>>26. Volume Name: NO NAME
>>27. File System Type: FAT32
>>28. Boot Signature: 0xAA55
>>
>>
>>Thanks for any help.

micky · External Since: Sep 24, 2011 Posts: 15

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 00:56:38 -0400, micky
wrote:

>How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything works

Darn, the errors are 108 and 109. Sorry.

>fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for win2000.
>I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition Magic
>8.
>
>It says the errors are:

"#109 Partition ends after end of disk
This error can occur if a partition erroneously extends beyond the
physical end of the hard disk. This may happen if the hard disk has
been used on a different computer or with a different hard-disk
controller or if BIOS settings have been changed. Be advised that the
physical geometry of the hard disk may differ from the logical
geometry assigned to the hard disk by the operating system.

> #108 Partition doesn't end at end of cylinder
> The hard-disk partition table contains erroneous values.
>PartitionMagic expects partitions to begin and end on the correct
>cylinder boundaries. If they do not, the disk may be partially
>corrupted. In this circumstance, if PartitionMagic were to make any
>modifications it might cause the loss of data. Therefore,
>PartitionMagic refuses to recognize any of the hard disk's partitions.
>To resolve this problem, see the instructions in Resolving partition
>table errors."
>

>It says the errors are:

Paul · External Since: Dec 06, 2006 Posts: 538

micky wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 00:56:38 -0400, micky
> wrote:
>
>> How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything works
>> fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for win2000.
>> I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition Magic
>> 8.
>
> I forgot to say that I partitioned the disk with a USB connection to a
> WinXP Pro computer, probably using Easeus Partition Master. It's
> FAT32.
>
> I thought I once had software that would enable me to change
> parrtition boundaries, by entering the Cyclinder and Track numbers,
> for, say, the end of a partition. But I can't remember what that was.
>
> Anyone know?
>
>
>> It says the errors are: " #107 Partition begins after end of disk
>> This error can occur if a partition erroneously extends beyond the
>> physical end of the hard disk. This may happen if the hard disk has
>> been used on a different computer or with a different hard-disk
>> controller or if BIOS settings have been changed. Be advised that the
>> physical geometry of the hard disk may differ from the logical
>> geometry assigned to the hard disk by the operating system.
>>
>> #108 Partition doesn't end at end of cylinder
>> The hard-disk partition table contains erroneous values.
>> PartitionMagic expects partitions to begin and end on the correct
>> cylinder boundaries. If they do not, the disk may be partially
>> corrupted. In this circumstance, if PartitionMagic were to make any
>> modifications it might cause the loss of data. Therefore,
>> PartitionMagic refuses to recognize any of the hard disk's partitions.
>> To resolve this problem, see the instructions in Resolving partition
>> table errors."
>>
>> I wanted to replace the bad HDD in my old IBM Thinkpad 600E laptop,
>> which was 4GB, with 10GB, but I ended up with 40GB.
>>
>> So I made the WinME partition 10GB. Hey, why not! And after a little
>> help from you guys, WinME was (and is) working fine, as well as it can
>> since so many programs don't work with it anymore.
>>
>> So I planned to install win2000 in another partition. WinME Fdisk
>> wouldn't make another partition (said there was no room on the disk) ,
>> nor would the freeware on Hirens' Boot CD: Smart FDisk, Extended
>> FDisk, Parted whatever, etc.
>>
>> So I dug out Partition Magic 8 and booted from it, then installed it.
>>
>> Then I ran Partiinfo.exe and it said (I think I aligned the columns
>> correctly.)
>>
>> PowerQuest PartitionInfo 8.0 -- Windows 95/98/Me Version
>> Date Generated: 09/23/11 22:12:25
>> Copyright (c)1994-2002, PowerQuest Corporation
>> Permission is granted for this utility to be freely copied so long
>> as it is not modified in any way. All other rights are reserved.
>>
>> PowerQuest, makers of PartitionMagic(r), Drive Image(tm), and
>> DriveCopy(tm), can be reached at:
>> Voice: 801-437-8900
>> Fax: 801-226-8941
>> Web site: http://www.powerquest.com/support/
>> E-mail: magic.RemoveThis@powerquest.com
>>
>> General System Information:
>> Total Physical Memory (bytes): 301,277,184
>> Used Physical Memory: (bytes): 268,517,376
>> Maximum Page File Size: (bytes): 1,846,202,368
>> Current Page File Size: (bytes): 129,540,096
>>
>> ===========================================================================================================
>> Disk Geometry Information for Disk 1: 1071 Cylinders, 240 Heads,
>> 63 Sectors/Track
>>
>> System PartSect # Boot BCyl Head Sect FS ECyl
>> ===========================================================================================================
>> NO NAME 0 0 80 0 1 1 0C 1023
>>
>> Head Sect StartSect NumSects
>> ===========================================================================================================
>> 149 63 63 20,466,747
>>
>> Info: Begin C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
>> Info: End C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
>> Actual values are:
>> 0 0 80 0 1 1 0C 1353 149 63 63 20466747
>>
>> Error #109: Partition ends after end of disk.
>> ucEndCylinder (1353) must be less than 1071.
>> Error #108: Partition didn't end on cylinder boundary.
>> ucEndHead expected to be 239, not 149.
>>
>> ===========================================================================================================
>> Partition Information for Disk 1: 7,907.0 Megabytes
>> Volume PartType Status Size MB PartSect #
>> ===========================================================================================================
>> C:NO NAME FAT32X Pri,Boot 9,993.5 0 0
>>
>> StartSect Total Sects
>> ===========================================================================================================
>> 63 20,466,747
>> ===========================================================================================================
>> Boot Record for drive C: (Drive: 1, Starting sector: 63, Type:
>> FAT32)
>>
>> ===========================================================================================================
>> 1. Jump: EB 58 90
>> 2. OEM Name: MSWIN4.1
>> 3. Bytes per Sector: 512
>> 4. Sectors per Cluster: 16
>> 5. Reserved Sectors: 32
>> 6. Number of FAT's: 2
>> 7. Reserved: 0x0000
>> 8. Reserved: 0x0000
>> 9. Media Descriptor: 0xF8
>> 10. Sectors per FAT: 0
>> 11. Sectors per Track: 63 (0x3F)
>> 12. Number of Heads: 240 (0xF0)
>> 13. Hidden Sectors: 63 (0x3F)
>> 14. Big Total Sectors: 20466747 (0x1384C3B)
>> 15. Big Sectors per FAT: 9985
>> 16. Extended Flags: 0x0000
>> 17. FS Version: 0
>> 18. First Cluster of Root: 2 (0x2)
>> 19. FS Info Sector: 1
>> 20. Backup Boot Sector: 6
>> 21. Reserved: 000000000000000000000000
>> 22. Drive ID: 0x80
>> 23. Reserved for NT: 0x00
>> 24. Extended Boot Sig: 0x29
>> 25. Serial Number: 0x0DFD1695
>> 26. Volume Name: NO NAME
>> 27. File System Type: FAT32
>> 28. Boot Signature: 0xAA55
>>
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>

I agree that something is fouled up there.

First thing that stands out, is the possibility that the Thinkpad
can't handle a disk bigger than 33.8GB. (I think that machine is
from 1999, so this is a distinct possibility.) When dealing with old
hardware, one solution can be to install the "clip" jumper on the
back of the drive, which changes the geometry that the drive reports
to the computer. I don't know if laptop drives are big enough, to
have room for a clip jumper or not.

http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/hard_drives/hard_drive_size_barriers.htm

Another possibility, is that a DDO or drive overlay is involved in
your setup somehow, and all I know about that is the name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Drive_Overlay

Since your drive is 40GB in size, it should be using the "fake" CHS
geometry values which function as a flag telling the software to
use LBA instead. For example, if we look at this MBR partition table,
we can see 1023, 254, 63 in usage (where heads are numbered from 0..254,
and 1024 cylinders are presumably numbered 0..1023). My disks here,
kinda look like that.

http://www.goodells.net/dellrestore/files/dell-tbl.gif

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/PTEDIT32.zip (free download)

I would say the 40GB drive, in combination with a 33.8GB hardware
setup, has somehow resulted in some bad geometry being written
to the disk (file system could be easily corrupted, if you fill
it up). Or maybe, depending on how you're now viewing the
disk, the effects of a DDO aren't working, and we're actually
looking at the wrong information altogether.

At the very least, I'd copy the files to something that is working
right. I don't really know how to fix something, that is broken in
that way. I might be tempted to start from scratch, install the
clip jumper, limit the drive to reporting the 33.8GB geometry
value, and see if after building it up again, it works a bit
better.

That 149 for head value, looks nasty.

Paul

micky · External Since: Sep 24, 2011 Posts: 15

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 01:57:14 -0400, Paul wrote:

>micky wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 00:56:38 -0400, micky
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything works
>>> fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for win2000.
>>> I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition Magic
>>> 8.
>>
>> I forgot to say that I partitioned the disk with a USB connection to a
>> WinXP Pro computer, probably using Easeus Partition Master. It's
>> FAT32.
>>
>> I thought I once had software that would enable me to change
>> parrtition boundaries, by entering the Cyclinder and Track numbers,
>> for, say, the end of a partition. But I can't remember what that was.
>>
>> Anyone know?

I think you knew. I think the PTEDIT32.exe is the one I meant.

>>> It says the errors are: " #107 Partition begins after end of disk
>>> This error can occur if a partition erroneously extends beyond the
>>> physical end of the hard disk. This may happen if the hard disk has
>>> been used on a different computer or with a different hard-disk
>>> controller or if BIOS settings have been changed. Be advised that the
>>> physical geometry of the hard disk may differ from the logical
>>> geometry assigned to the hard disk by the operating system.
>>>
>>> #108 Partition doesn't end at end of cylinder
>>> The hard-disk partition table contains erroneous values.
>>> PartitionMagic expects partitions to begin and end on the correct
>>> cylinder boundaries. If they do not, the disk may be partially
>>> corrupted. In this circumstance, if PartitionMagic were to make any
>>> modifications it might cause the loss of data. Therefore,
>>> PartitionMagic refuses to recognize any of the hard disk's partitions.
>>> To resolve this problem, see the instructions in Resolving partition
>>> table errors."
>>>
>>> I wanted to replace the bad HDD in my old IBM Thinkpad 600E laptop,
>>> which was 4GB, with 10GB, but I ended up with 40GB.
>>>
>>> So I made the WinME partition 10GB. Hey, why not! And after a little
>>> help from you guys, WinME was (and is) working fine, as well as it can
>>> since so many programs don't work with it anymore.
>>>
>>> So I planned to install win2000 in another partition. WinME Fdisk
>>> wouldn't make another partition (said there was no room on the disk) ,
>>> nor would the freeware on Hirens' Boot CD: Smart FDisk, Extended
>>> FDisk, Parted whatever, etc.
>>>
>>> So I dug out Partition Magic 8 and booted from it, then installed it.
>>>
>>> Then I ran Partiinfo.exe and it said (I think I aligned the columns
>>> correctly.)
>>>
>>> PowerQuest PartitionInfo 8.0 -- Windows 95/98/Me Version
>>> Date Generated: 09/23/11 22:12:25
>>> Copyright (c)1994-2002, PowerQuest Corporation
>>> Permission is granted for this utility to be freely copied so long
>>> as it is not modified in any way. All other rights are reserved.
>>>
>>> PowerQuest, makers of PartitionMagic(r), Drive Image(tm), and
>>> DriveCopy(tm), can be reached at:
>>> Voice: 801-437-8900
>>> Fax: 801-226-8941
>>> Web site: http://www.powerquest.com/support/
>>> E-mail: magic DeleteThis @powerquest.com
>>>
>>> General System Information:
>>> Total Physical Memory (bytes): 301,277,184
>>> Used Physical Memory: (bytes): 268,517,376
>>> Maximum Page File Size: (bytes): 1,846,202,368
>>> Current Page File Size: (bytes): 129,540,096
>>>
>>> ===========================================================================================================
>>> Disk Geometry Information for Disk 1: 1071 Cylinders, 240 Heads,
>>> 63 Sectors/Track
>>>
>>> System PartSect # Boot BCyl Head Sect FS ECyl
>>> ===========================================================================================================
>>> NO NAME 0 0 80 0 1 1 0C 1023
>>>
>>> Head Sect StartSect NumSects
>>> ===========================================================================================================
>>> 149 63 63 20,466,747
>>>
>>> Info: Begin C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
>>> Info: End C,H,S values were large drive placeholders.
>>> Actual values are:
>>> 0 0 80 0 1 1 0C 1353 149 63 63 20466747
>>>
>>> Error #109: Partition ends after end of disk.
>>> ucEndCylinder (1353) must be less than 1071.
>>> Error #108: Partition didn't end on cylinder boundary.
>>> ucEndHead expected to be 239, not 149.
>>>
>>> ===========================================================================================================
>>> Partition Information for Disk 1: 7,907.0 Megabytes
>>> Volume PartType Status Size MB PartSect #
>>> ===========================================================================================================
>>> C:NO NAME FAT32X Pri,Boot 9,993.5 0 0
>>>
>>> StartSect Total Sects
>>> ===========================================================================================================
>>> 63 20,466,747
>>> ===========================================================================================================
>>> Boot Record for drive C: (Drive: 1, Starting sector: 63, Type:
>>> FAT32)
>>>
>>> ===========================================================================================================
>>> 1. Jump: EB 58 90
>>> 2. OEM Name: MSWIN4.1
>>> 3. Bytes per Sector: 512
>>> 4. Sectors per Cluster: 16
>>> 5. Reserved Sectors: 32
>>> 6. Number of FAT's: 2
>>> 7. Reserved: 0x0000
>>> 8. Reserved: 0x0000
>>> 9. Media Descriptor: 0xF8
>>> 10. Sectors per FAT: 0
>>> 11. Sectors per Track: 63 (0x3F)
>>> 12. Number of Heads: 240 (0xF0)
>>> 13. Hidden Sectors: 63 (0x3F)
>>> 14. Big Total Sectors: 20466747 (0x1384C3B)
>>> 15. Big Sectors per FAT: 9985
>>> 16. Extended Flags: 0x0000
>>> 17. FS Version: 0
>>> 18. First Cluster of Root: 2 (0x2)
>>> 19. FS Info Sector: 1
>>> 20. Backup Boot Sector: 6
>>> 21. Reserved: 000000000000000000000000
>>> 22. Drive ID: 0x80
>>> 23. Reserved for NT: 0x00
>>> 24. Extended Boot Sig: 0x29
>>> 25. Serial Number: 0x0DFD1695
>>> 26. Volume Name: NO NAME
>>> 27. File System Type: FAT32
>>> 28. Boot Signature: 0xAA55
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>
>I agree that something is fouled up there.
>
>First thing that stands out, is the possibility that the Thinkpad
>can't handle a disk bigger than 33.8GB.

I think you're right. I didn't know about the 33..8G limit.

In my defense, I asked the guy I bought the drive from if it would
work. I've known him for years, although only because he's a vendor
at hamfests, and he seems to know a lot and take a real interest in
his customers' problems, at least mine. OTOH, I asked him mostly
about heat, since it was 10 times the size of the original. He said
it might even be cooler than the 4G!

> (I think that machine is
>from 1999, so this is a distinct possibility.)

That's right, 1999.

(Yes to those who will tell me it's old. Yes, it's obsolete and I
guess I could afford to buy another, but this is how I have fun.
Although if I get this fixed, I have a friend who may actually want to
use it. )

>When dealing with old
>hardware, one solution can be to install the "clip" jumper on the
>back of the drive, which changes the geometry that the drive reports
>to the computer. I don't know if laptop drives are big enough, to
>have room for a clip jumper or not.

I'll take it apart probalby tomorrow, and let you know. I'm getting
tired now.
>
>http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/hard_drives/hard_drive_size_barriers.htm

###

>Another possibility, is that a DDO or drive overlay is involved in
>your setup somehow, and all I know about that is the name.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Drive_Overlay

I used to know something about that, because I'm always using mobos
that are much older than the harddrives. Although not this year. Smile

Maybe I *should* have used that, but I don't think I could without
making a point of it.
>
>Since your drive is 40GB in size, it should be using the "fake" CHS
>geometry values which function as a flag telling the software to
>use LBA instead. For example, if we look at this MBR partition table,
>we can see 1023, 254, 63 in usage (where heads are numbered from 0..254,
>and 1024 cylinders are presumably numbered 0..1023). My disks here,
>kinda look like that.
>
>http://www.goodells.net/dellrestore/files/dell-tbl.gif

Yeah, that's the format I remembered.
>
>ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/PTEDIT32.zip (free download)

And I bet this is the program I remembered. I should have checked if
I had it, sorry, but it an afterhought after the laptop was shut down.
>
>I would say the 40GB drive, in combination with a 33.8GB hardware
>setup, has somehow resulted in some bad geometry being written
>to the disk (file system could be easily corrupted, if you fill
>it up). Or maybe, depending on how you're now viewing the
>disk, the effects of a DDO aren't working, and we're actually
>looking at the wrong information altogether.
>
>At the very least, I'd copy the files to something that is working
>right. I don't really know how to fix something, that is broken in
>that way. I might be tempted to start from scratch, install the
>clip jumper, limit the drive to reporting the 33.8GB geometry
>value, and see if after building it up again, it works a bit
>better.

Well it hasn't been changed much since the last backup, but I think
I'll back it up again, then I'll try to use PTEDIT32 to make the
parttition smaller, just to see if I can do it. (I've tried to defrag
and push all the files to the right, but defrag keeps starting over at
0% even though I stopped everything else from running.)

I probably can't do it, so I'll wipe the disk and make new parttions,
which fit under 33gigs. Restore one with winME and then install
2000.

>That 149 for head value, looks nasty.

IF you say so. I'm starting to think it looks nasty too.

> Paul

Thanks a lot, Paul.

micky · External Since: Sep 24, 2011 Posts: 15

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 01:25:40 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

>micky wrote:
>
>> How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything works
>> fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for win2000.
>> I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition Magic
>> 8. ...
>
>Powerquest and their products got acquired by Symantec way back in Dec
>2003 (http://www.symantec.com/press/2003/n031208.html). Symantec hasn't
>updated any of those products. That means you are using a very ancient
>vesion of Partition Magic (which already had problems generating errors
>back when it was new for that version and also supported). It had
>problems way back then and they never got fixed.
>
>Use something that supports your OS and is recent, like Easeus Partition
>Master (free for Home Edition and more than sufficient for your needs).

Thanks for the reply.

I have to reply in detail because I got rolled over by Easeus once and
I don't want it to happen to someone else.

Don't forget that I'm working with winME. My biggest complaint in the
world of partition software is that Easus PM will not run on winME or
98, and even if it is running on XP, it risks damaging a win9x
partition, at least if one tries to change its size or move it.
This is made clear only deep in the bowels of Easeus documentation.

This really screwed me up a couple years ago, where I tried to trim
some empty space off the tail end of my win98 partition and ended up
iirc that neither 98 or XP would boot. I fixed XP with FixMBR and
FIXboot (in which order I forget) but 98 didn't work for months.
Someone on one of these ngs explained how to fix an obscure 98 file,
and though it needed that, even then it didn't work until I ran
Defrag, of all things. If I didn't enjoy this kind of stuff, it
would have been a nightmare.

And I did this time format the partition from an XP computer, and
because of that, it showed XP tendencies. Smile

That is, it was
looking for NTLDR, even after winME was restored to the partition. .
That got solved by downloading an ME Boot CD and SYSing the
parttition, but I think I would have been better off if I'd used PM8
to make the partition in the first place. Precisely because it's
almost as old as winME.

But still, thanks for answering.

Bill in Co · External Since: Aug 10, 2010 Posts: 73

VanguardLH wrote:
> micky wrote:
>
>> How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything works
>> fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for win2000.
>> I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition Magic
>> 8. ...
>
> Powerquest and their products got acquired by Symantec way back in Dec
> 2003 (http://www.symantec.com/press/2003/n031208.html). Symantec hasn't
> updated any of those products. That means you are using a very ancient
> vesion of Partition Magic (which already had problems generating errors
> back when it was new for that version and also supported). It had
> problems way back then and they never got fixed.
>
> Use something that supports your OS and is recent, like Easeus Partition
> Master (free for Home Edition and more than sufficient for your needs).

Symantec/Norton PM8 supports XP too (I've got it installed), so it should be
ok for WinME or Win2K, I'd think. But its program files are dated 2004, so
it is getting a bit "long on the tooth". I don't think there was an update
to PM versions after ver 8, but I haven't checked.

philo1 · External Since: May 08, 2004 Posts: 219

On 09/23/2011 11:56 PM, micky wrote:
> How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything works
> fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for win2000.
> I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition Magic
> 8.
>

<Snip>

There is no real sense in using WinME at all.
I assume the H/W in your machine is not good enough for XP...
so I'd simply boot with your Win2k cd

delete the partition and start over with a fresh install of Win2k

micky · External Since: Sep 24, 2011 Posts: 15

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:04:16 -0500, philo wrote:

>On 09/23/2011 11:56 PM, micky wrote:
>> How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything works
>> fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for win2000.
>> I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition Magic
>> 8.
>>
>
>
><Snip>
>
>
>
>There is no real sense in using WinME at all.

But I want to. There are some reasons, but mostly, I want to.

>I assume the H/W in your machine is not good enough for XP...

Right.

>so I'd simply boot with your Win2k cd
>
>delete the partition and start over with a fresh install of Win2k

A) But I know how to do that already, so I won't learn anything new.

B) The ME partition has a lot of data that I want. I'd rather leave
the whole partition than spend time finding the data, which is in
various places,, storing the data, and copying the data to the right
places in w2K. The w2k partition wlll also be FAT32

Thanks.

philo1 · External Since: May 08, 2004 Posts: 219

On 09/24/2011 11:32 AM, micky wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:04:16 -0500, philo wrote:
>
>> On 09/23/2011 11:56 PM, micky wrote:
>>> How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything works
>>> fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for win2000.
>>> I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition Magic
>>> 8.
>>>
>>
>>
>> <Snip>
>>
>>
>>
>> There is no real sense in using WinME at all.
>
> But I want to. There are some reasons, but mostly, I want to.
>
>> I assume the H/W in your machine is not good enough for XP...
>
> Right.
>
>> so I'd simply boot with your Win2k cd
>>
>> delete the partition and start over with a fresh install of Win2k
>
> A) But I know how to do that already, so I won't learn anything new.
>
> B) The ME partition has a lot of data that I want. I'd rather leave
> the whole partition than spend time finding the data, which is in
> various places,, storing the data, and copying the data to the right
> places in w2K. The w2k partition wlll also be FAT32
>
> Thanks.

What happens when you simply boot from your Win2k cd?...
does it see free space it can use for the installation?

micky · External Since: Sep 24, 2011 Posts: 15

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 15:50:04 -0500, philo wrote:

>On 09/24/2011 11:32 AM, micky wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:04:16 -0500, philo wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/23/2011 11:56 PM, micky wrote:
>>>> How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything works
>>>> fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for win2000.
>>>> I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition Magic
>>>> 8.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <Snip>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is no real sense in using WinME at all.
>>
>> But I want to. There are some reasons, but mostly, I want to.
>>
>>> I assume the H/W in your machine is not good enough for XP...
>>
>> Right.
>>
>>> so I'd simply boot with your Win2k cd
>>>
>>> delete the partition and start over with a fresh install of Win2k
>>
>> A) But I know how to do that already, so I won't learn anything new.
>>
>> B) The ME partition has a lot of data that I want. I'd rather leave
>> the whole partition than spend time finding the data, which is in
>> various places,, storing the data, and copying the data to the right
>> places in w2K. The w2k partition wlll also be FAT32
>>
>> Thanks.
>
>
>What happens when you simply boot from your Win2k cd?...
>does it see free space it can use for the installation?

Good question. I'll try that.

I coudn't remember if Windows would make a partition for itself out of
free space, or if it had to be partitioned first, and I got caught up
in the idea I should make the w2k partition before I started to
install w2k.

Bill in Co · External Since: Aug 10, 2010 Posts: 73

micky wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 15:50:04 -0500, philo wrote:
>
>> On 09/24/2011 11:32 AM, micky wrote:
>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:04:16 -0500, philo wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 09/23/2011 11:56 PM, micky wrote:
>>>>> How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything works
>>>>> fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for win2000.
>>>>> I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition Magic
>>>>> 8.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <Snip>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is no real sense in using WinME at all.
>>>
>>> But I want to. There are some reasons, but mostly, I want to.
>>>
>>>> I assume the H/W in your machine is not good enough for XP...
>>>
>>> Right.
>>>
>>>> so I'd simply boot with your Win2k cd
>>>>
>>>> delete the partition and start over with a fresh install of Win2k
>>>
>>> A) But I know how to do that already, so I won't learn anything new.
>>>
>>> B) The ME partition has a lot of data that I want. I'd rather leave
>>> the whole partition than spend time finding the data, which is in
>>> various places,, storing the data, and copying the data to the right
>>> places in w2K. The w2k partition wlll also be FAT32
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> What happens when you simply boot from your Win2k cd?...
>> does it see free space it can use for the installation?
>
> Good question. I'll try that.
>
> I coudn't remember if Windows would make a partition for itself out of
> free space, or if it had to be partitioned first, and I got caught up
> in the idea I should make the w2k partition before I started to
> install w2k.

I'm pretty sure it needs to be free space.

micky · External Since: Sep 24, 2011 Posts: 15

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 15:50:04 -0500, philo wrote:

>On 09/24/2011 11:32 AM, micky wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:04:16 -0500, philo wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/23/2011 11:56 PM, micky wrote:
>>>> How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything works
>>>> fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for win2000.
>>>> I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition Magic
>>>> 8.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <Snip>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is no real sense in using WinME at all.
>>
>> But I want to. There are some reasons, but mostly, I want to.
>>
>>> I assume the H/W in your machine is not good enough for XP...
>>
>> Right.
>>
>>> so I'd simply boot with your Win2k cd
>>>
>>> delete the partition and start over with a fresh install of Win2k
>>
>> A) But I know how to do that already, so I won't learn anything new.
>>
>> B) The ME partition has a lot of data that I want. I'd rather leave
>> the whole partition than spend time finding the data, which is in
>> various places,, storing the data, and copying the data to the right
>> places in w2K. The w2k partition wlll also be FAT32
>>
>> Thanks.
>
>
>What happens when you simply boot from your Win2k cd?...
>does it see free space it can use for the installation?

The CD I thought was w2k isn't. I may have to clean the whole house.
I'll get back to you and all of you. .

Ant · External Since: Sep 25, 2011 Posts: 5

On 9/24/2011 1:42 AM PT, Bill in Co typed:

>> Powerquest and their products got acquired by Symantec way back in Dec
>> 2003 (http://www.symantec.com/press/2003/n031208.html). Symantec hasn't
>> updated any of those products. That means you are using a very ancient
>> vesion of Partition Magic (which already had problems generating errors
>> back when it was new for that version and also supported). It had
>> problems way back then and they never got fixed.
>>
>> Use something that supports your OS and is recent, like Easeus Partition
>> Master (free for Home Edition and more than sufficient for your needs).
>
> Symantec/Norton PM8 supports XP too (I've got it installed), so it should be
> ok for WinME or Win2K, I'd think. But its program files are dated 2004, so
> it is getting a bit "long on the tooth". I don't think there was an update
> to PM versions after ver 8, but I haven't checked.

Yes, it will work in XP Pro. SP3 (I have it too, but I prefer its DOS
boot disks on old machines). Also, there was a v8.01 update, but that's
it. Sad

Maybe you can check with other partition programs like parted
(qtparted, gparted, etc.) in a bootable Linux livedisc?

BTW, Symantec doesn't sell PartitionMagic anymore:
http://us.norton.com/theme.jsp?themeid=partition_magic&depthpath=0&header=0
.... Sad

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micky · External Since: Sep 24, 2011 Posts: 15

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 22:15:39 -0600, "Bill in Co"
wrote:

>micky wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 15:50:04 -0500, philo wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/24/2011 11:32 AM, micky wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:04:16 -0500, philo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 09/23/2011 11:56 PM, micky wrote:
>>>>>> How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything works
>>>>>> fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for win2000.
>>>>>> I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition Magic
>>>>>> 8.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no real sense in using WinME at all.
>>>>
>>>> But I want to. There are some reasons, but mostly, I want to.
>>>>
>>>>> I assume the H/W in your machine is not good enough for XP...
>>>>
>>>> Right.
>>>>
>>>>> so I'd simply boot with your Win2k cd
>>>>>
>>>>> delete the partition and start over with a fresh install of Win2k
>>>>
>>>> A) But I know how to do that already, so I won't learn anything new.
>>>>
>>>> B) The ME partition has a lot of data that I want. I'd rather leave
>>>> the whole partition than spend time finding the data, which is in
>>>> various places,, storing the data, and copying the data to the right
>>>> places in w2K. The w2k partition wlll also be FAT32
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> What happens when you simply boot from your Win2k cd?...
>>> does it see free space it can use for the installation?
>>
>> Good question. I'll try that.
>>
>> I coudn't remember if Windows would make a partition for itself out of
>> free space, or if it had to be partitioned first, and I got caught up
>> in the idea I should make the w2k partition before I started to
>> install w2k.
>
>I'm pretty sure it needs to be free space.

Darn, I had it backwards.

I've spent part of the last hour in the basement looking for things I
need.

Found somse CDs, but not the win2k CD; found the car parts I had in
mind but they're not the ones I thought I bought, and found the
receipt I need for something. . Will try again tomorrow.

Thanks.

Bill in Co · External Since: Aug 10, 2010 Posts: 73

micky wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 22:15:39 -0600, "Bill in Co"
> wrote:
>
>> micky wrote:
>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 15:50:04 -0500, philo wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 09/24/2011 11:32 AM, micky wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:04:16 -0500, philo wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/23/2011 11:56 PM, micky wrote:
>>>>>>> How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything
>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>> fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for
>>>>>>> win2000.
>>>>>>> I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition
>>>>>>> Magic
>>>>>>> 8.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no real sense in using WinME at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I want to. There are some reasons, but mostly, I want to.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I assume the H/W in your machine is not good enough for XP...
>>>>>
>>>>> Right.
>>>>>
>>>>>> so I'd simply boot with your Win2k cd
>>>>>>
>>>>>> delete the partition and start over with a fresh install of Win2k
>>>>>
>>>>> A) But I know how to do that already, so I won't learn anything new.
>>>>>
>>>>> B) The ME partition has a lot of data that I want. I'd rather leave
>>>>> the whole partition than spend time finding the data, which is in
>>>>> various places,, storing the data, and copying the data to the right
>>>>> places in w2K. The w2k partition wlll also be FAT32
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What happens when you simply boot from your Win2k cd?...
>>>> does it see free space it can use for the installation?
>>>
>>> Good question. I'll try that.
>>>
>>> I coudn't remember if Windows would make a partition for itself out of
>>> free space, or if it had to be partitioned first, and I got caught up
>>> in the idea I should make the w2k partition before I started to
>>> install w2k.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure it needs to be free space.

Possible correction: OR an "extended partition" that was already set up,
as I recall, but my memory may be off. IIRC, an extended partition can
be used to house multiple logical drive partitions (with different drive
letters assigned to each).

Somebody here may correct me on this one as I can't recall now. I seem to
be getting mixed up if both free space and/or an extended partition can be
used as a place in which you can create a partition.

> Darn, I had it backwards.
>
> I've spent part of the last hour in the basement looking for things I
> need.
>
> Found somse CDs, but not the win2k CD; found the car parts I had in
> mind but they're not the ones I thought I bought, and found the
> receipt I need for something. . Will try again tomorrow.
>
> Thanks.

philo1 · External Since: May 08, 2004 Posts: 219

On 09/25/2011 03:14 AM, Bill in Co wrote:
> micky wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 22:15:39 -0600, "Bill in Co"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> micky wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 15:50:04 -0500, philo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 09/24/2011 11:32 AM, micky wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:04:16 -0500, philo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/23/2011 11:56 PM, micky wrote:
>>>>>>>> How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything
>>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>>> fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for
>>>>>>>> win2000.
>>>>>>>> I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition
>>>>>>>> Magic
>>>>>>>> 8.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no real sense in using WinME at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I want to. There are some reasons, but mostly, I want to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I assume the H/W in your machine is not good enough for XP...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so I'd simply boot with your Win2k cd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> delete the partition and start over with a fresh install of Win2k
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A) But I know how to do that already, so I won't learn anything new.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B) The ME partition has a lot of data that I want. I'd rather leave
>>>>>> the whole partition than spend time finding the data, which is in
>>>>>> various places,, storing the data, and copying the data to the right
>>>>>> places in w2K. The w2k partition wlll also be FAT32
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What happens when you simply boot from your Win2k cd?...
>>>>> does it see free space it can use for the installation?
>>>>
>>>> Good question. I'll try that.
>>>>
>>>> I coudn't remember if Windows would make a partition for itself out of
>>>> free space, or if it had to be partitioned first, and I got caught up
>>>> in the idea I should make the w2k partition before I started to
>>>> install w2k.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure it needs to be free space.
>
> Possible correction: OR an "extended partition" that was already set up,
> as I recall, but my memory may be off. IIRC, an extended partition can
> be used to house multiple logical drive partitions (with different drive
> letters assigned to each).
>
> Somebody here may correct me on this one as I can't recall now. I seem to
> be getting mixed up if both free space and/or an extended partition can be
> used as a place in which you can create a partition.
>
>> Darn, I had it backwards.
>>
>> I've spent part of the last hour in the basement looking for things I
>> need.
>>
>> Found somse CDs, but not the win2k CD; found the car parts I had in
>> mind but they're not the ones I thought I bought, and found the
>> receipt I need for something. . Will try again tomorrow.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
>

Concerning the installation of Win2k:

It can be installed on an existing fat32 or NTFS partition

or it can take free space and create a new partition...

It is not necessary to create a partition first.

Looks like a moot point as the OP seems not to have a win2k cd

micky · External Since: Sep 24, 2011 Posts: 15

On Sun, 25 Sep 2011 02:14:08 -0600, "Bill in Co"
wrote:

>micky wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 22:15:39 -0600, "Bill in Co"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> micky wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 15:50:04 -0500, philo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 09/24/2011 11:32 AM, micky wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 10:04:16 -0500, philo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/23/2011 11:56 PM, micky wrote:
>>>>>>>> How do I solve Partition Magic errors 107 and 108:? Everything
>>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>>> fine when I run winME, but I can't add a second partition for
>>>>>>>> win2000.
>>>>>>>> I can't even fully display the current partition using Partition
>>>>>>>> Magic
>>>>>>>> 8.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <Snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no real sense in using WinME at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I want to. There are some reasons, but mostly, I want to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I assume the H/W in your machine is not good enough for XP...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> so I'd simply boot with your Win2k cd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> delete the partition and start over with a fresh install of Win2k
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A) But I know how to do that already, so I won't learn anything new.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B) The ME partition has a lot of data that I want. I'd rather leave
>>>>>> the whole partition than spend time finding the data, which is in
>>>>>> various places,, storing the data, and copying the data to the right
>>>>>> places in w2K. The w2k partition wlll also be FAT32
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What happens when you simply boot from your Win2k cd?...
>>>>> does it see free space it can use for the installation?
>>>>
>>>> Good question. I'll try that.
>>>>
>>>> I coudn't remember if Windows would make a partition for itself out of
>>>> free space, or if it had to be partitioned first, and I got caught up
>>>> in the idea I should make the w2k partition before I started to
>>>> install w2k.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure it needs to be free space.
>
>Possible correction: OR an "extended partition" that was already set up,
>as I recall, but my memory may be off. IIRC, an extended partition can
>be used to house multiple logical drive partitions (with different drive
>letters assigned to each).

I'll skip part of my story, but a) you're right, 2000 will install
either while ME is running or by botting from the 2000 cd.
b) when installing by
booting from the 2000 cd, it created an extended partition and put
2000 in a logical partition within it. That must be okay or it
woudln't do it, right? But I expected it would make another primary
partition.

And, it boots winME fine, but just gives a blank screen when I choose
2000. I used the 2000 recover console and ran fixboot d:, but that
didn't help.

Then I installed Partition Magic 8's Boot Magic, but after I found
w2000 in hte extended/logica partition and added it, now I get an
error before eithe rof them boot. I'm goign to run either Sys (for
ME) or Fixmbr (for 2000), and then run Fixboot. But I don't
appreciate the details of why it shoudl be SYS or FixMBR.

I would have made a primary partitoin for 2000, but PM8 only wanted to
make one by takig away space, a maximum of 3.9 gigs, from the 10gig ME
partition. OTOH win2000 did as I wanted ad put 15 gigs after the
10gigs, but in the extended/logical paretition.

Since I've got a backup of ME and nothing has been done with 2000I may
start over, and make a primarty partition for

Paul, earlier I corrected one of the two errors using PTEdit**, and
after that PM8 was willing to correct the other one. **It said that
EndHead shoudl be 239, not 149, so I changed it, figuring I couldn't
harm anything by making a boundary farther along, when at that time it
was just unpartitioned space farther out. And indeed ME worked fine
after I did that. ME worked fine after I installed 2000, and only
didn't work after I installed BootMagic into the ME partition and
added 2000 to what I thought would be the startup-list, which never
appeared.

>Somebody here may correct me on this one as I can't recall now. I seem to
>be getting mixed up if both free space and/or an extended partition can be
>used as a place in which you can create a partition.
>
>> Darn, I had it backwards.
>>
>> I've spent part of the last hour in the basement looking for things I
>> need.

I found the CD!
>>
>> Found somse CDs, but not the win2k CD; found the car parts I had in
>> mind but they're not the ones I thought I bought, and found the
>> receipt I need for something. . Will try again tomorrow.
>>
>> Thanks.

Thanks.