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Jo-Anne
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:30 am    Post subject: DVD taking forever to start playing
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I bought all seven seasons of Grey's Anatomy to watch on my 3.5-year-old
WinXP laptop computer (using VLC Media Player). I've had some minor problems
with seasons 1-5 and season 7. Season 6, however, is the worst. It takes
about 30 seconds for each DVD to start playing after I click "Play." In
fact, I was sure the first DVD wasn't going to play at all when suddenly it
started.

As the DVD began playing, I noticed something on-screen about its being a
Blu-Ray disc. When I bought this season, there was no indication that the
DVDs were Blu-Ray. Once I saw the on-screen notice, I checked the box--and
there's an insert in a pocket that says it's a Blu-Ray set. (There's no such
insert in the season 7 set.)

Is it possible that the Blu-Ray format is causing the problem on my laptop?
Is there any other explanation?

Thank you!

Jo-Anne
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Char Jackson
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: DVD taking forever to start playing [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:30:40 -0600, "Jo-Anne"
wrote:

>I bought all seven seasons of Grey's Anatomy to watch on my 3.5-year-old
>WinXP laptop computer (using VLC Media Player). I've had some minor problems
>with seasons 1-5 and season 7. Season 6, however, is the worst. It takes
>about 30 seconds for each DVD to start playing after I click "Play." In
>fact, I was sure the first DVD wasn't going to play at all when suddenly it
>started.
>
>As the DVD began playing, I noticed something on-screen about its being a
>Blu-Ray disc. When I bought this season, there was no indication that the
>DVDs were Blu-Ray. Once I saw the on-screen notice, I checked the box--and
>there's an insert in a pocket that says it's a Blu-Ray set. (There's no such
>insert in the season 7 set.)
>
>Is it possible that the Blu-Ray format is causing the problem on my laptop?
>Is there any other explanation?

I've seen other BluRay players that took about that long to start, so
it doesn't seem out of the question. The important thing is that it
looks like you intended to buy a DVD set and somehow ended up with a
BluRay set! Luckily, your laptop apparently has a BluRay player.
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Paul
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: DVD taking forever to start playing [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Char Jackson wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:30:40 -0600, "Jo-Anne"
> wrote:
>
>> I bought all seven seasons of Grey's Anatomy to watch on my 3.5-year-old
>> WinXP laptop computer (using VLC Media Player). I've had some minor problems
>> with seasons 1-5 and season 7. Season 6, however, is the worst. It takes
>> about 30 seconds for each DVD to start playing after I click "Play." In
>> fact, I was sure the first DVD wasn't going to play at all when suddenly it
>> started.
>>
>> As the DVD began playing, I noticed something on-screen about its being a
>> Blu-Ray disc. When I bought this season, there was no indication that the
>> DVDs were Blu-Ray. Once I saw the on-screen notice, I checked the box--and
>> there's an insert in a pocket that says it's a Blu-Ray set. (There's no such
>> insert in the season 7 set.)
>>
>> Is it possible that the Blu-Ray format is causing the problem on my laptop?
>> Is there any other explanation?
>
> I've seen other BluRay players that took about that long to start, so
> it doesn't seem out of the question. The important thing is that it
> looks like you intended to buy a DVD set and somehow ended up with a
> BluRay set! Luckily, your laptop apparently has a BluRay player.
>

When I read the article on Blu Ray on Wikipedia, it mentioned a new
way to provide DRM, that involves effectively loading software
off the disc (BD+). Maybe that's what is taking the extra time - some
kind of virtual machine implemented in software, that processes
what is coming off the disc ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu_ray

"In a June 28, 2007 press release, Twentieth Century Fox cited Blu-ray
Disc's adoption of the BD+ anticopying system as key to their decision
to support the Blu-ray Disc format."

"BD+, effectively a small virtual machine embedded in authorized players,
allows content providers to include executable programs on Blu-ray Discs."

*******

The other option, would be to look for media errors. But I haven't located
good info on that yet. A transfer rate test is one option, but that would
only indirectly hint at errors being present.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=115137

Paul
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Char Jackson
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: DVD taking forever to start playing [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 13:30:32 -0500, Paul wrote:

>Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:30:40 -0600, "Jo-Anne"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I bought all seven seasons of Grey's Anatomy to watch on my 3.5-year-old
>>> WinXP laptop computer (using VLC Media Player). I've had some minor problems
>>> with seasons 1-5 and season 7. Season 6, however, is the worst. It takes
>>> about 30 seconds for each DVD to start playing after I click "Play." In
>>> fact, I was sure the first DVD wasn't going to play at all when suddenly it
>>> started.
>>>
>>> As the DVD began playing, I noticed something on-screen about its being a
>>> Blu-Ray disc. When I bought this season, there was no indication that the
>>> DVDs were Blu-Ray. Once I saw the on-screen notice, I checked the box--and
>>> there's an insert in a pocket that says it's a Blu-Ray set. (There's no such
>>> insert in the season 7 set.)
>>>
>>> Is it possible that the Blu-Ray format is causing the problem on my laptop?
>>> Is there any other explanation?
>>
>> I've seen other BluRay players that took about that long to start, so
>> it doesn't seem out of the question. The important thing is that it
>> looks like you intended to buy a DVD set and somehow ended up with a
>> BluRay set! Luckily, your laptop apparently has a BluRay player.
>>
>
>When I read the article on Blu Ray on Wikipedia, it mentioned a new
>way to provide DRM, that involves effectively loading software
>off the disc (BD+). Maybe that's what is taking the extra time - some
>kind of virtual machine implemented in software, that processes
>what is coming off the disc ?

My point was mainly that it's somewhat normal for a BluRay to take
longer than a DVD or CD to start playing. I think that's what the OP
was asking.

If you Google "BluRay slow start", for example, there are numerous
reports of BluRay players taking unusually long to begin playing.
Whether they're loading software or spending time deciding whether the
inserted disc is a BR, DVD, or CD, or doing something else entirely, I
don't know.

<https://www.google.com/search?q=bluray%20slow%20start>
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Jo-Anne
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: DVD taking forever to start playing [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Char Jackson" wrote in message

> On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:30:40 -0600, "Jo-Anne"
> wrote:
>
>>I bought all seven seasons of Grey's Anatomy to watch on my 3.5-year-old
>>WinXP laptop computer (using VLC Media Player). I've had some minor
>>problems
>>with seasons 1-5 and season 7. Season 6, however, is the worst. It takes
>>about 30 seconds for each DVD to start playing after I click "Play." In
>>fact, I was sure the first DVD wasn't going to play at all when suddenly
>>it
>>started.
>>
>>As the DVD began playing, I noticed something on-screen about its being a
>>Blu-Ray disc. When I bought this season, there was no indication that the
>>DVDs were Blu-Ray. Once I saw the on-screen notice, I checked the box--and
>>there's an insert in a pocket that says it's a Blu-Ray set. (There's no
>>such
>>insert in the season 7 set.)
>>
>>Is it possible that the Blu-Ray format is causing the problem on my
>>laptop?
>>Is there any other explanation?
>
> I've seen other BluRay players that took about that long to start, so
> it doesn't seem out of the question. The important thing is that it
> looks like you intended to buy a DVD set and somehow ended up with a
> BluRay set! Luckily, your laptop apparently has a BluRay player.
>

Thank you, Char! That eases my mind. Definitely odd that the company chose
to make this season Blu-Ray and the following one not. I wonder if there
were complaints about difficulty in starting up the discs.

Jo-Anne
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:05 pm    Post subject: Re: DVD taking forever to start playing [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Paul" wrote in message

> Char Jackson wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Feb 2012 01:30:40 -0600, "Jo-Anne"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I bought all seven seasons of Grey's Anatomy to watch on my 3.5-year-old
>>> WinXP laptop computer (using VLC Media Player). I've had some minor
>>> problems with seasons 1-5 and season 7. Season 6, however, is the worst.
>>> It takes about 30 seconds for each DVD to start playing after I click
>>> "Play." In fact, I was sure the first DVD wasn't going to play at all
>>> when suddenly it started.
>>>
>>> As the DVD began playing, I noticed something on-screen about its being
>>> a Blu-Ray disc. When I bought this season, there was no indication that
>>> the DVDs were Blu-Ray. Once I saw the on-screen notice, I checked the
>>> box--and there's an insert in a pocket that says it's a Blu-Ray set.
>>> (There's no such insert in the season 7 set.)
>>>
>>> Is it possible that the Blu-Ray format is causing the problem on my
>>> laptop? Is there any other explanation?
>>
>> I've seen other BluRay players that took about that long to start, so
>> it doesn't seem out of the question. The important thing is that it
>> looks like you intended to buy a DVD set and somehow ended up with a
>> BluRay set! Luckily, your laptop apparently has a BluRay player.
>>
>
> When I read the article on Blu Ray on Wikipedia, it mentioned a new
> way to provide DRM, that involves effectively loading software
> off the disc (BD+). Maybe that's what is taking the extra time - some
> kind of virtual machine implemented in software, that processes
> what is coming off the disc ?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu_ray
>
> "In a June 28, 2007 press release, Twentieth Century Fox cited Blu-ray
> Disc's adoption of the BD+ anticopying system as key to their decision
> to support the Blu-ray Disc format."
>
> "BD+, effectively a small virtual machine embedded in authorized
> players,
> allows content providers to include executable programs on Blu-ray
> Discs."
>
> *******
>
> The other option, would be to look for media errors. But I haven't located
> good info on that yet. A transfer rate test is one option, but that would
> only indirectly hint at errors being present.
>
> http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=115137
>
> Paul


Interesting info, Paul. I wonder if part of the time issue is that I've
disabled the automatic starting of programs on my CD/DVD drive to help me
avoid malware. Of course, if the DVD couldn't start its DRM program, I would
think it wouldn't play at all.

Jo-Anne
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