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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 9:18 pm    Post subject: BSOD with YouTube Videos
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Hi,

When my wife tries to watch a YouTube video, she gets a blue screen.
Her computer locks up and the "busy" circle on the YouTube video also
stops. Then she gets a blue screen.

I have tried Windows drivers, ATI drivers for her video card, and also
I uninstalled Flash and reinstalled the latest version.

DVDs play fine.

She is running XP SP3. This is a new problem. Any ideas?

-paulw
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 11:43 pm    Post subject: Re: BSOD with YouTube Videos [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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PW wrote:
> Hi,
>
> When my wife tries to watch a YouTube video, she gets a blue screen.
> Her computer locks up and the "busy" circle on the YouTube video also
> stops. Then she gets a blue screen.
>
> I have tried Windows drivers, ATI drivers for her video card, and also
> I uninstalled Flash and reinstalled the latest version.
>
> DVDs play fine.
>
> She is running XP SP3. This is a new problem. Any ideas?
>
> -paulw

Have you tried disabling hardware acceleration ?

http://forums.adobe.com/message/2953600?tstart=0

I believe the latest versions of Flash, now use the video card
to speed up some functions. Disabling hardware acceleration may
stop that.

Paul
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:24 am    Post subject: Re: BSOD with YouTube Videos [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:43:28 -0400, Paul wrote:

>PW wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> When my wife tries to watch a YouTube video, she gets a blue screen.
>> Her computer locks up and the "busy" circle on the YouTube video also
>> stops. Then she gets a blue screen.
>>
>> I have tried Windows drivers, ATI drivers for her video card, and also
>> I uninstalled Flash and reinstalled the latest version.
>>
>> DVDs play fine.
>>
>> She is running XP SP3. This is a new problem. Any ideas?
>>
>> -paulw
>
>Have you tried disabling hardware acceleration ?
>
>http://forums.adobe.com/message/2953600?tstart=0
>
>I believe the latest versions of Flash, now use the video card
>to speed up some functions. Disabling hardware acceleration may
>stop that.
>
> Paul

Will do, but is that in Flash or Device Manager? I can't remember.
It's been a while since I've used XP.

Thanks Paul

-paul
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:32 am    Post subject: Re: BSOD with YouTube Videos [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:43:28 -0400, Paul wrote:

>PW wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> When my wife tries to watch a YouTube video, she gets a blue screen.
>> Her computer locks up and the "busy" circle on the YouTube video also
>> stops. Then she gets a blue screen.
>>
>> I have tried Windows drivers, ATI drivers for her video card, and also
>> I uninstalled Flash and reinstalled the latest version.
>>
>> DVDs play fine.
>>
>> She is running XP SP3. This is a new problem. Any ideas?
>>
>> -paulw
>
>Have you tried disabling hardware acceleration ?
>
>http://forums.adobe.com/message/2953600?tstart=0
>
>I believe the latest versions of Flash, now use the video card
>to speed up some functions. Disabling hardware acceleration may
>stop that.
>
> Paul


Found it! Thanks! I slid it to one notch above off and now my wife
can watch a YouTube video!

Thanks so much Paul!

-paul
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 2:55 am    Post subject: Re: BSOD with YouTube Videos [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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PW wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:43:28 -0400, Paul wrote:
>
>> PW wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> When my wife tries to watch a YouTube video, she gets a blue screen.
>>> Her computer locks up and the "busy" circle on the YouTube video also
>>> stops. Then she gets a blue screen.
>>>
>>> I have tried Windows drivers, ATI drivers for her video card, and also
>>> I uninstalled Flash and reinstalled the latest version.
>>>
>>> DVDs play fine.
>>>
>>> She is running XP SP3. This is a new problem. Any ideas?
>>>
>>> -paulw
>> Have you tried disabling hardware acceleration ?
>>
>> http://forums.adobe.com/message/2953600?tstart=0
>>
>> I believe the latest versions of Flash, now use the video card
>> to speed up some functions. Disabling hardware acceleration may
>> stop that.
>>
>> Paul
>
>
> Found it! Thanks! I slid it to one notch above off and now my wife
> can watch a YouTube video!
>
> Thanks so much Paul!
>
> -paul

Well, Windows has a slider for acceleration, and Flash has a tick
box in its configuration dialog for hardware acceleration. It sounds like
you got relief, by using one of those. My proposal in this case,
was to use the Flash tickbox.

In the image here, the Flash setting is with hardware acceleration disabled.
Right clicking within the movie frame, should bring that up. Flash doesn't
have a traditional Control Panel. The dialog is a popup, triggered by
right-click.

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5664/247836909137.png

Paul
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: BSOD with YouTube Videos [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In news:ine0bt$q5o$1@dont-email.me,
Paul wrote:
> Well, Windows has a slider for acceleration, and Flash has a tick
> box in its configuration dialog for hardware acceleration. It sounds
> like you got relief, by using one of those. My proposal in this case,
> was to use the Flash tickbox.
>
> In the image here, the Flash setting is with hardware acceleration
> disabled. Right clicking within the movie frame, should bring that
> up. Flash doesn't have a traditional Control Panel. The dialog is a
> popup, triggered by right-click.
>
> http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5664/247836909137.png

Well Macromedia Flash is one of the most power hungry and bloated
players I have ever used in my life! For example it needs three times
more CPU than Windows Media Player does. No other player hits the CPU as
hard. How it got to where it is today, I have no clue.

Many including myself, try to use the oldest Flash version that we can
get by with. Can't go too old, because things won't work. Version 8
seems to the be oldest that almost most websites will work fine with.

It's up to PW of course, as they might want to stick with the latest
version of Flash. But just in case they don't, you can always get an
older version from oldversion.com.

--
Bill
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Centrino Core Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:14 am    Post subject: Re: BSOD with YouTube Videos [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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BillW50 wrote:
> In news:ine0bt$q5o$1@dont-email.me,
> Paul wrote:
>> Well, Windows has a slider for acceleration, and Flash has a tick
>> box in its configuration dialog for hardware acceleration. It sounds
>> like you got relief, by using one of those. My proposal in this case,
>> was to use the Flash tickbox.
>>
>> In the image here, the Flash setting is with hardware acceleration
>> disabled. Right clicking within the movie frame, should bring that
>> up. Flash doesn't have a traditional Control Panel. The dialog is a
>> popup, triggered by right-click.
>>
>> http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5664/247836909137.png
>
> Well Macromedia Flash is one of the most power hungry and bloated
> players I have ever used in my life! For example it needs three times
> more CPU than Windows Media Player does. No other player hits the CPU as
> hard. How it got to where it is today, I have no clue.
>
> Many including myself, try to use the oldest Flash version that we can
> get by with. Can't go too old, because things won't work. Version 8
> seems to the be oldest that almost most websites will work fine with.
>
> It's up to PW of course, as they might want to stick with the latest
> version of Flash. But just in case they don't, you can always get an
> older version from oldversion.com.
>

One of the modern features of Flash, is how full screen playback is done.
An older version of Flash I used, did screen resizing with the CPU.
That burned up about 40% of my CPU, when doing movie playback. That
would be taking video content which is 640x480 or smaller, and
making it big enough to fill the full screen (1280x1024) on my
LCD monitor.

There is a function in the video card, that will take a pixmap and
resize it (interpolate) to fill the screen. When I tried a version
of Flash with that feature, the CPU utilization dropped perilously
close to zero. It was in the few percent range. So Flash went from
being a pig, to being quite lightweight. And that's because the
video card has the necessary function to do it.

I don't see a reason to go so far back, to turn features like that off.

If a technique they're using isn't stable, then disabling hardware
acceleration with the tick box, is one option. Moving the slider
in Windows itself, implies regular desktop operations aren't stable
and turning off acceleration there can return stability, at the
price of slower screen updates or stuttering.

Paul
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:14 am    Post subject: Re: BSOD with YouTube Videos [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In news:inetj5$23i$1@dont-email.me,
Paul wrote:
> BillW50 wrote:
>> In news:ine0bt$q5o$1@dont-email.me,
>> Paul wrote:
>>> Well, Windows has a slider for acceleration, and Flash has a tick
>>> box in its configuration dialog for hardware acceleration. It sounds
>>> like you got relief, by using one of those. My proposal in this
>>> case, was to use the Flash tickbox.
>>>
>>> In the image here, the Flash setting is with hardware acceleration
>>> disabled. Right clicking within the movie frame, should bring that
>>> up. Flash doesn't have a traditional Control Panel. The dialog is a
>>> popup, triggered by right-click.
>>>
>>> http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5664/247836909137.png
>>
>> Well Macromedia Flash is one of the most power hungry and bloated
>> players I have ever used in my life! For example it needs three times
>> more CPU than Windows Media Player does. No other player hits the
>> CPU as hard. How it got to where it is today, I have no clue.
>>
>> Many including myself, try to use the oldest Flash version that we
>> can get by with. Can't go too old, because things won't work.
>> Version 8 seems to the be oldest that almost most websites will work
>> fine with. It's up to PW of course, as they might want to stick with
>> the latest
>> version of Flash. But just in case they don't, you can always get an
>> older version from oldversion.com.
>>
>
> One of the modern features of Flash, is how full screen playback is
> done. An older version of Flash I used, did screen resizing with the
> CPU. That burned up about 40% of my CPU, when doing movie playback.
> That
> would be taking video content which is 640x480 or smaller, and
> making it big enough to fill the full screen (1280x1024) on my
> LCD monitor.
>
> There is a function in the video card, that will take a pixmap and
> resize it (interpolate) to fill the screen. When I tried a version
> of Flash with that feature, the CPU utilization dropped perilously
> close to zero. It was in the few percent range. So Flash went from
> being a pig, to being quite lightweight. And that's because the
> video card has the necessary function to do it.
>
> I don't see a reason to go so far back, to turn features like that
> off.
> If a technique they're using isn't stable, then disabling hardware
> acceleration with the tick box, is one option. Moving the slider
> in Windows itself, implies regular desktop operations aren't stable
> and turning off acceleration there can return stability, at the
> price of slower screen updates or stuttering.

Thanks Paul! I am running v10 on this machine, but I have tons of
computers and I am sure some of them have a very old version of Flash. I
am also running Maxthon 3 for a browser and it has something different
for Flash. As it has its own tools to pull the Flash out into another
window. And you can make it full screen or save and things. I haven't
tested the performance of it yet, but it is interesting.

--
Bill
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Centrino Core Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:16 am    Post subject: Re: BSOD with YouTube Videos [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 22:55:54 -0400, Paul wrote:

>PW wrote:
>> On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:43:28 -0400, Paul wrote:
>>
>>> PW wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> When my wife tries to watch a YouTube video, she gets a blue screen.
>>>> Her computer locks up and the "busy" circle on the YouTube video also
>>>> stops. Then she gets a blue screen.
>>>>
>>>> I have tried Windows drivers, ATI drivers for her video card, and also
>>>> I uninstalled Flash and reinstalled the latest version.
>>>>
>>>> DVDs play fine.
>>>>
>>>> She is running XP SP3. This is a new problem. Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> -paulw
>>> Have you tried disabling hardware acceleration ?
>>>
>>> http://forums.adobe.com/message/2953600?tstart=0
>>>
>>> I believe the latest versions of Flash, now use the video card
>>> to speed up some functions. Disabling hardware acceleration may
>>> stop that.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>>
>> Found it! Thanks! I slid it to one notch above off and now my wife
>> can watch a YouTube video!
>>
>> Thanks so much Paul!
>>
>> -paul
>
>Well, Windows has a slider for acceleration, and Flash has a tick
>box in its configuration dialog for hardware acceleration. It sounds like
>you got relief, by using one of those. My proposal in this case,
>was to use the Flash tickbox.


Okay - I will see if I can find that in the Flash Player. I don't
think I know how to load just the player without starting a Flash
Video (and then how to find options for it while a video is playing).

-pw

>
>In the image here, the Flash setting is with hardware acceleration disabled.
>Right clicking within the movie frame, should bring that up. Flash doesn't
>have a traditional Control Panel. The dialog is a popup, triggered by
>right-click.
>
>http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5664/247836909137.png
>
> Paul
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 8:08 am    Post subject: Re: BSOD with YouTube Videos [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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PW wrote:

>
>
> Okay - I will see if I can find that in the Flash Player. I don't
> think I know how to load just the player without starting a Flash
> Video (and then how to find options for it while a video is playing).
>
> -pw
>

You could go to Youtube and right click the first Flash movie pane you
see. Then set the tick box there and test.

*******

I have another test case I keep on disk here. Adobe bought Macromedia
years ago, and Macromedia is where Flash came from.

Unpack this, and open fullScreenSourceRectDemo.html file in a Flash enabled
browser. This demonstration has an area on the web page you click, to go
from windowed to full screen Flash video mode. Which should help exercise
any flaky acceleration features. Download is 50MB or so. Most of the
download, is the movie content. You press the <esc> key to go back
to windowed mode.

http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer9_update/demos/full_screen_demo.zip

Hmmm. On my current motherboard and video card combination, the screen
resizing is back to using the CPU Sad I go from 7% CPU to 15% CPU when
I make the movie full screen. And Flash is one patch below being current
(I have an update to do when I get around to it). So it's looking like
the behavior is different, compared to my last system (with ATI card).

You can pop up Task Manager while doing the movie playback test,
and see how going full screen affects CPU usage. (Right-click the
bar at the bottom of the screen, and select "Task Manager" from
the pop up menu.)

Paul
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