As I commented earlier, I installed the LLTD patch (which is NOT mentioned
anywhere in the Vista help file system ... I had to learn about it the HARD
way) and XP showed up on the Vista map ... but I still could not access any
of it.

When I was just networking two XP machines, I got nowhere until I installed
NetBEUI, and then the two machines would see and communicate with each other
OK. (NetBEUI is NOT automatically installed nor is it in the help files ...
you have to find it on the CD and install it manually)

Vista turned out to be the same way ... except NetBEUI is NOT part of the
install DVD. I installed it onto Vista from my XP disc and, guess what?, now
Vista and XP see each other.

The next thing I had to do (which I learned about on these forums because
the Vista help system doesn't help) was to go to whatever drive or folder I
wanted to share, then right click on it > properties > security > advanced
.... and you come to a permissions screen.

Click on any entry that does not show "full control", click edit, click the
entry again and click edit again. You get a screen called "Permissions Entry
...."

On the "Apply to" drop down menu, I selected the option "this folder,
subfolder, and files"

On the "permissions" area I selected the "full control" box under "allow" >
OK > apply > OK >OK > OK.

NOW, from my XP box, I can see all the Vista drives and folders I did the
above to. I still cannot access everything ... I get "access denied" prompts
for some items ... but I now am able to access my Vista drive that has my
documents in it, and I can completely access a total of 3 out of 8 drives or
partitions.

I just think it is amazing that in order to network Vista to XP, I had to
use a protocol (NetBEUI) that Vista says it doen't support and doesn't
include, and had to learn about it by accident on these forums.

One final thought. I have found from hard experience that Windows help
files with "how to do it" instructions SHOULD go like this ... step 1, step
2, step 3, step 4, and so on.

What I actually find is this ... step 1, step 3, step 7, and so on.

If you are going to give us "how to do it" then PLEASE give us ALL of the
steps ... EVERY keystroke, EVERY entry, EVERY move needed to get the desired
result. Don't leave out some "minor"item thinking we know or understand what
you are thinking.

Thanks, Baldy

"Kim [MS]" wrote:

> baldy,
>
> What is it you're trying to do? If you want to see XP from the Vista map,
> you must install the LLTD Responder on your XP machine; once you do that, it
> will light up on Vista. You can find the Responder at:
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=4F01A31D-EE46...1E-BA11
>
> We have tested this scenario, and are able to get it working, as are others
> who post to this forum; so I know it can be done! : )
>
> Please confirm: you can access shared Vista files from XP, but not Vista
> drives? Are you trying to share our your root (c drive?
>
> Pls post back.
>
>
>
> "baldy" wrote:
>
> > Nice try Kim. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Still doesn't work. I
> > have followed lots of leads in these posts and my story is pretty much
> > identical to hundreds of the posts here.
> >
> > I have the XP patch installed.
> > I can ping both ways.
> > I can see XP from the Vista network map.
> > I CANNOT access XP from Vista.
> > After adding the IP address for the Vista box to Norton on the XP box, I can
> > now access SOME Vista files from XP, can NOT access shared data drives.
> > I can access a shared printer on both machines.
> >
> > My suggestion at this point would be for a MS tech to get a Vista box and an
> > XP box and ACTUALLY TRY TO CONNECT THEM ...
> >
> > Then, after about a week of frustration, come back to this forum and give us
> > step by step instructions on how to network. (and please, don't leave out
> > half of the steps and assume that we know what you are thinking)
> >
> > I have read lots of posts here with "detailed instructions" and, as I go
> > down the lists, I conclude that steps are being left out.
> >
> > Please, give us something that actually works.???
> >
> > "Kim [MS]" wrote:
> >
> > > Aidan, and everyone in this thread,
> > >
> > > I'm sorry you're experiencing trouble. Vista is more secure and much more
> > > flexible than XP, which is why things work a bit differently in Vista. In
> > > Vista, Classic file sharing is the default, not Guest-only. You use the
> > > Sharing Wizard to create/manage/delete file shares; and Network and Sharing
> > > Center to manage network settings.
> > >
> > > To understand better where you're at, review the recommendations below:
> > > - Ensure every machine is in the same workgroup and subnet
> > > - Ensure only one firewall is enabled per machine (In Vista, that's
> > > Start.Control Panel.Security.Security Center.Firewall.
> > > - Set Network Category to Home/Work (Private), which is a less secure
> > > setting and allows for file/printer sharing as well as computer discovery
> > > - Ensure every user account has a non-empty password
> > > - Create the same user account (with same password) on all machines
> > > - Ensure password protected sharing is ON
> > > - Use the Sharing Wizard to create and manage shares (You can find the
> > > Sharing Wizard by right clicking on the folder to share and selecting
> > > "Share...")
> > >
> > > Please post back with results.
> > >
> > > Also, please note that we have written an extensive web-based manual which
> > > is easy-to-follow and troubleshoot problems like this. If you click on
> > > Start.Help and Support, you'll find it. Or, just click here:
> > > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/e20e6875-7210-47bb...19-5c60
> > >
> > >
> > > "Aidan Curran" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wow, so many people with the same problem, it's pretty apparent now that this
> > > > is a HUGE Vista bug - Are there any Microsoft people in this forum to explain
> > > > to us all what's going on???
> > > >
> > > > Is there anyone out there who has been able to home network Vista and XP
> > > > without any problems? I'd like to hear.
> > > >
> > > > In the meantime I've worked out a 'Jerry-rig' solution that works for me but
> > > > I don't know if it will work for all of you other people with this problem.
> > > > Here's the steps I take to establish a network connection between my XP and
> > > > Vista machines:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Determine IP addresses of each
> > > > 2. On XP machine type \\[Vista IP address] in Windows Explorer. (You should
> > > > be able to see the Vista shared folders if this is going to work for you)
> > > > 3. Click into one of the shared folders
> > > > 4. On Vista machine type \\[XP IP address] in Windows Explorer. You should
> > > > now be able to see the shared folders on the XP machine.
> > > >
> > > > It needs to be done in this exact order for it to work for me and I have to
> > > > do this procedure everytime one of the machines is restarted.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps some of you as a workaround while we are waiting to see what
> > > > Microsoft is going to do about this problem. Let us know if it works for you.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Aidan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Aidan Curran" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > I've read a lot of threads on this but none have helped my situation. This
> > > > > should be really simple but it's not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here's my problem:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a new PC running Vista Business. My laptop is running XP Pro. They
> > > > > are both connected to my router (by cable). I have set workgroup name the
> > > > > same for both (I ran the Network setup wizard in XP).
> > > > >
> > > > > In XP if I search for computer it does not find my Vista PC (yes I typed the
> > > > > name correctly).
> > > > >
> > > > > In Vista the XP machine does not show up under network (I guess there is no
> > > > > 'search for computer' in Vista). I installed LLTD on XP machine and after
> > > > > that it does show up in Network Map on vista but still not in Network folder.
> > > > > The map is quite useless, it's just a picture, you cannot actually use it to
> > > > > access the other computer but it does show that the vista machine can 'see'
> > > > > the XP machine.
> > > > >
> > > > > My settings on Vista machine are:
> > > > > Network type: private
> > > > > Network discovery: on
> > > > > File sharing: On
> > > > > Public folder sharing: on (also tried off)
> > > > > printer sharing: on
> > > > > password protected sharing: off (also tried on)
> > > > >
> > > > > I tried turning off firewalls on both machines (only use built in, no 3rd
> > > > > party).
> > > > > My setup is really simple and basic, this should not be so difficult (I have
> > > > > spent hours and hours already). Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Aidan

Dear Aidan
there is one thing left to change.
go into "Network and Sharing Center"{
expand "Network Discovery"
next to workgroup,you'll see "Chaange settings", click it
then click "continue"
"System Properties" window will open
click the "Network ID" button
change the setting from "This computer is part of a business network..." to
"This is a home computer..."
see if that fixes it



"Aidan Curran" wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I've read a lot of threads on this but none have helped my situation. This
> should be really simple but it's not.
>
> Here's my problem:
>
> I have a new PC running Vista Business. My laptop is running XP Pro. They
> are both connected to my router (by cable). I have set workgroup name the
> same for both (I ran the Network setup wizard in XP).
>
> In XP if I search for computer it does not find my Vista PC (yes I typed the
> name correctly).
>
> In Vista the XP machine does not show up under network (I guess there is no
> 'search for computer' in Vista). I installed LLTD on XP machine and after
> that it does show up in Network Map on vista but still not in Network folder.
> The map is quite useless, it's just a picture, you cannot actually use it to
> access the other computer but it does show that the vista machine can 'see'
> the XP machine.
>
> My settings on Vista machine are:
> Network type: private
> Network discovery: on
> File sharing: On
> Public folder sharing: on (also tried off)
> printer sharing: on
> password protected sharing: off (also tried on)
>
> I tried turning off firewalls on both machines (only use built in, no 3rd
> party).
> My setup is really simple and basic, this should not be so difficult (I have
> spent hours and hours already). Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Aidan