(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: Cannot network Vista and XP Archived from groups: microsoft>public>windows>vista>networking_sharing (more info?)
Hi Everyone,
I've read a lot of threads on this but none have helped my situation. This
should be really simple but it's not.
Here's my problem:
I have a new PC running Vista Business. My laptop is running XP Pro. They
are both connected to my router (by cable). I have set workgroup name the
same for both (I ran the Network setup wizard in XP).
In XP if I search for computer it does not find my Vista PC (yes I typed the
name correctly).
In Vista the XP machine does not show up under network (I guess there is no
'search for computer' in Vista). I installed LLTD on XP machine and after
that it does show up in Network Map on vista but still not in Network folder.
The map is quite useless, it's just a picture, you cannot actually use it to
access the other computer but it does show that the vista machine can 'see'
the XP machine.
My settings on Vista machine are:
Network type: private
Network discovery: on
File sharing: On
Public folder sharing: on (also tried off)
printer sharing: on
password protected sharing: off (also tried on)
I tried turning off firewalls on both machines (only use built in, no 3rd
party).
My setup is really simple and basic, this should not be so difficult (I have
spent hours and hours already). Any help will be greatly appreciated.
(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:06 pm Post subject: RE: Cannot network Vista and XP [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
"Aidan Curran" wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I've read a lot of threads on this but none have helped my situation. This
> should be really simple but it's not.
>
> Here's my problem:
>
> I have a new PC running Vista Business. My laptop is running XP Pro. They
> are both connected to my router (by cable). I have set workgroup name the
> same for both (I ran the Network setup wizard in XP).
>
> In XP if I search for computer it does not find my Vista PC (yes I typed the
> name correctly).
>
> In Vista the XP machine does not show up under network (I guess there is no
> 'search for computer' in Vista). I installed LLTD on XP machine and after
> that it does show up in Network Map on vista but still not in Network folder.
> The map is quite useless, it's just a picture, you cannot actually use it to
> access the other computer but it does show that the vista machine can 'see'
> the XP machine.
>
> My settings on Vista machine are:
> Network type: private
> Network discovery: on
> File sharing: On
> Public folder sharing: on (also tried off)
> printer sharing: on
> password protected sharing: off (also tried on)
>
> I tried turning off firewalls on both machines (only use built in, no 3rd
> party).
> My setup is really simple and basic, this should not be so difficult (I have
> spent hours and hours already). Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Aidan
I found the same problem.Have basically the same setup, one computer with XP
pro and one with Vista Ultimate.
But I could never access the XP computer from the Vista one.
I keep getting Windows cannot access\\KAREN check the spelling of the name,
Otherwise there might be a problem with your network.....
The spelling was checked and rechecked, it shows up on the network but I
can't access it.
(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: RE: Cannot network Vista and XP [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
After a lot of fiddling with it, I got it to work eventually but I did not
change any settings. I tried to set up Windows Easy transfer to transfer
files between the 2 machines but that did not detect the other computer. I
tried pinging from one machine to the other and I could not ping by computer
name but then I tried pinging by IP address and I was able to ping. After
that I was able to ping by computer name and then I was able to find the
VIsta computer by searching for the IP address. After it found it by IP
address, it was able to find it by machine name. Still the XP machine was not
showing up in Vista network but I eventually got to it by typing the address
into windows explorer (I had to try \\IP address before getting it to find
\\machine name). After this, it showed up in network. But even after all this
Windows Easy Transfer still could not recognize an other machine on the
network. Now I'm afraid to turn off either machine in case I loose the
networking again.
It seems to me like networking in Vista is really buggy and is pretty much a
hit or miss thing depending on your luck. I happen to be reasonably
technically profficient and my setup is very simple with no 3rd party
firewalls or anything unusual in the mix and yet it's baffled the hell out of
me and I still don't understand why it didn't work then but works now,
without changing any settings. I cannot imagine how someone that's not so
tech savvy would ever get 2 machines to see each other on their home network.
This board is full of posts about this problem and still there is no relaible
troubleshooting available for this. As far as home networking is concerened
Microsoft has taken a big step backwards with Vista.
"Aidan Curran" wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I've read a lot of threads on this but none have helped my situation. This
> should be really simple but it's not.
>
> Here's my problem:
>
> I have a new PC running Vista Business. My laptop is running XP Pro. They
> are both connected to my router (by cable). I have set workgroup name the
> same for both (I ran the Network setup wizard in XP).
>
> In XP if I search for computer it does not find my Vista PC (yes I typed the
> name correctly).
>
> In Vista the XP machine does not show up under network (I guess there is no
> 'search for computer' in Vista). I installed LLTD on XP machine and after
> that it does show up in Network Map on vista but still not in Network folder.
> The map is quite useless, it's just a picture, you cannot actually use it to
> access the other computer but it does show that the vista machine can 'see'
> the XP machine.
>
> My settings on Vista machine are:
> Network type: private
> Network discovery: on
> File sharing: On
> Public folder sharing: on (also tried off)
> printer sharing: on
> password protected sharing: off (also tried on)
>
> I tried turning off firewalls on both machines (only use built in, no 3rd
> party).
> My setup is really simple and basic, this should not be so difficult (I have
> spent hours and hours already). Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Aidan
(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:53 am Post subject: RE: Cannot network Vista and XP [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
We have the same problem: the Vista machine pings, it has Internet access,
but it cannot "see" the XP machines. We can "see" the Vista machine from one
of the XP machines, but cannot connect. Also cannot connect to the network
printer from the XP machine. Fun & games. Makes a Home Office environment
extremely problematic. I would never have gotten Vista if HP hadn't lost my
new computer twice in Tech Support & had to replace it.
"Aidan Curran" wrote:
> After a lot of fiddling with it, I got it to work eventually but I did not
> change any settings. I tried to set up Windows Easy transfer to transfer
> files between the 2 machines but that did not detect the other computer. I
> tried pinging from one machine to the other and I could not ping by computer
> name but then I tried pinging by IP address and I was able to ping. After
> that I was able to ping by computer name and then I was able to find the
> VIsta computer by searching for the IP address. After it found it by IP
> address, it was able to find it by machine name. Still the XP machine was not
> showing up in Vista network but I eventually got to it by typing the address
> into windows explorer (I had to try \\IP address before getting it to find
> \\machine name). After this, it showed up in network. But even after all this
> Windows Easy Transfer still could not recognize an other machine on the
> network. Now I'm afraid to turn off either machine in case I loose the
> networking again.
>
> It seems to me like networking in Vista is really buggy and is pretty much a
> hit or miss thing depending on your luck. I happen to be reasonably
> technically profficient and my setup is very simple with no 3rd party
> firewalls or anything unusual in the mix and yet it's baffled the hell out of
> me and I still don't understand why it didn't work then but works now,
> without changing any settings. I cannot imagine how someone that's not so
> tech savvy would ever get 2 machines to see each other on their home network.
> This board is full of posts about this problem and still there is no relaible
> troubleshooting available for this. As far as home networking is concerened
> Microsoft has taken a big step backwards with Vista.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Aidan Curran" wrote:
>
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I've read a lot of threads on this but none have helped my situation. This
> > should be really simple but it's not.
> >
> > Here's my problem:
> >
> > I have a new PC running Vista Business. My laptop is running XP Pro. They
> > are both connected to my router (by cable). I have set workgroup name the
> > same for both (I ran the Network setup wizard in XP).
> >
> > In XP if I search for computer it does not find my Vista PC (yes I typed the
> > name correctly).
> >
> > In Vista the XP machine does not show up under network (I guess there is no
> > 'search for computer' in Vista). I installed LLTD on XP machine and after
> > that it does show up in Network Map on vista but still not in Network folder.
> > The map is quite useless, it's just a picture, you cannot actually use it to
> > access the other computer but it does show that the vista machine can 'see'
> > the XP machine.
> >
> > My settings on Vista machine are:
> > Network type: private
> > Network discovery: on
> > File sharing: On
> > Public folder sharing: on (also tried off)
> > printer sharing: on
> > password protected sharing: off (also tried on)
> >
> > I tried turning off firewalls on both machines (only use built in, no 3rd
> > party).
> > My setup is really simple and basic, this should not be so difficult (I have
> > spent hours and hours already). Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Aidan
(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:28 am Post subject: RE: Cannot network Vista and XP [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
"Aidan Curran" wrote:
> I cannot imagine how someone that's not so
> tech savvy would ever get 2 machines to see each other on their home network.
> This board is full of posts about this problem and still there is no relaible
> troubleshooting available for this. As far as home networking is concerened
> Microsoft has taken a big step backwards with Vista.
Wow, you must be talking about me! Sorry I don't have a solution to offer,
but essentially the same problem, and I honestly have no idea how to do half
the things Aidan mentioned previously. Trying to network my new Vista
notebook with my XP desktop through a Netgear wireless router, and use the
desktop hard drive space and the printer. That's it.
I've gotten to the point where I could see the desktop and printer from the
notebook but could only access "shared" folder and could not access the
printer. I've tried dozens of things in this forum in one combination or
another but nothing seems to be working. I have a feeling that if I just had
2 XP machines that I would run the network wizard on both and I would have
been up and running days ago.
(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:20 pm Post subject: RE: Cannot network Vista and XP [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
It appears to me that Vista is still really just a beta product, judging by
how common these type of problems are. It will probably be a year or 2 more
before Microsoft sort it out with service packs and it is ready for
mainstream use. I'm regretting not just going with XP for my new system. Now
I'm trying to figure out how to dual boot it with a version of Win 2000
because I've hit so many other problems trying to run my existing
applications in Vista that I don't think I will ever be able to get it to a
point where I can do my work. If anyone has any advise on installing Win2k
AFTER Vista that would be very much appreciated (I already have a free
primary partition. My problem is that I cannot get the Win2k cd to start up
from boot).
"Jason G" wrote:
>
>
> "Aidan Curran" wrote:
>
> > I cannot imagine how someone that's not so
> > tech savvy would ever get 2 machines to see each other on their home network.
> > This board is full of posts about this problem and still there is no relaible
> > troubleshooting available for this. As far as home networking is concerened
> > Microsoft has taken a big step backwards with Vista.
>
> Wow, you must be talking about me! Sorry I don't have a solution to offer,
> but essentially the same problem, and I honestly have no idea how to do half
> the things Aidan mentioned previously. Trying to network my new Vista
> notebook with my XP desktop through a Netgear wireless router, and use the
> desktop hard drive space and the printer. That's it.
> I've gotten to the point where I could see the desktop and printer from the
> notebook but could only access "shared" folder and could not access the
> printer. I've tried dozens of things in this forum in one combination or
> another but nothing seems to be working. I have a feeling that if I just had
> 2 XP machines that I would run the network wizard on both and I would have
> been up and running days ago.
>
> Jason
(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: RE: Cannot network Vista and XP [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
My fear of loosing the networking after a reboot turned out to be vaild. I
rebooted Vista and my mapped network drive on the XP machine is no longer
working ("An error occuered while reconnecting ... The network path was not
found"). My old trick of pinging the IP address first and then the computer
name did not work (I could not ping the computer name but could ping the IP).
Of course the other computer still shows up in the network map - just to
taunt me! What a POS!
"Aidan Curran" wrote:
> After a lot of fiddling with it, I got it to work eventually but I did not
> change any settings. I tried to set up Windows Easy transfer to transfer
> files between the 2 machines but that did not detect the other computer. I
> tried pinging from one machine to the other and I could not ping by computer
> name but then I tried pinging by IP address and I was able to ping. After
> that I was able to ping by computer name and then I was able to find the
> VIsta computer by searching for the IP address. After it found it by IP
> address, it was able to find it by machine name. Still the XP machine was not
> showing up in Vista network but I eventually got to it by typing the address
> into windows explorer (I had to try \\IP address before getting it to find
> \\machine name). After this, it showed up in network. But even after all this
> Windows Easy Transfer still could not recognize an other machine on the
> network. Now I'm afraid to turn off either machine in case I loose the
> networking again.
>
> It seems to me like networking in Vista is really buggy and is pretty much a
> hit or miss thing depending on your luck. I happen to be reasonably
> technically profficient and my setup is very simple with no 3rd party
> firewalls or anything unusual in the mix and yet it's baffled the hell out of
> me and I still don't understand why it didn't work then but works now,
> without changing any settings. I cannot imagine how someone that's not so
> tech savvy would ever get 2 machines to see each other on their home network.
> This board is full of posts about this problem and still there is no relaible
> troubleshooting available for this. As far as home networking is concerened
> Microsoft has taken a big step backwards with Vista.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Aidan Curran" wrote:
>
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I've read a lot of threads on this but none have helped my situation. This
> > should be really simple but it's not.
> >
> > Here's my problem:
> >
> > I have a new PC running Vista Business. My laptop is running XP Pro. They
> > are both connected to my router (by cable). I have set workgroup name the
> > same for both (I ran the Network setup wizard in XP).
> >
> > In XP if I search for computer it does not find my Vista PC (yes I typed the
> > name correctly).
> >
> > In Vista the XP machine does not show up under network (I guess there is no
> > 'search for computer' in Vista). I installed LLTD on XP machine and after
> > that it does show up in Network Map on vista but still not in Network folder.
> > The map is quite useless, it's just a picture, you cannot actually use it to
> > access the other computer but it does show that the vista machine can 'see'
> > the XP machine.
> >
> > My settings on Vista machine are:
> > Network type: private
> > Network discovery: on
> > File sharing: On
> > Public folder sharing: on (also tried off)
> > printer sharing: on
> > password protected sharing: off (also tried on)
> >
> > I tried turning off firewalls on both machines (only use built in, no 3rd
> > party).
> > My setup is really simple and basic, this should not be so difficult (I have
> > spent hours and hours already). Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Aidan
(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject: RE: Cannot network Vista and XP [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
More details on my latest networking problem:
I can access the Vista machine from the XP machine
The XP machine is now showing up in the Vista Network but when I click on it
I get a Network Error: Windows cannot access \\....
I click the 'Diagnose' button and it tells me that the machine name is not a
vaild host name.
I tried flushing the dns but that did not help.
Any ideas?
"Aidan Curran" wrote:
> My fear of loosing the networking after a reboot turned out to be vaild. I
> rebooted Vista and my mapped network drive on the XP machine is no longer
> working ("An error occuered while reconnecting ... The network path was not
> found"). My old trick of pinging the IP address first and then the computer
> name did not work (I could not ping the computer name but could ping the IP).
> Of course the other computer still shows up in the network map - just to
> taunt me! What a POS!
>
> "Aidan Curran" wrote:
>
> > After a lot of fiddling with it, I got it to work eventually but I did not
> > change any settings. I tried to set up Windows Easy transfer to transfer
> > files between the 2 machines but that did not detect the other computer. I
> > tried pinging from one machine to the other and I could not ping by computer
> > name but then I tried pinging by IP address and I was able to ping. After
> > that I was able to ping by computer name and then I was able to find the
> > VIsta computer by searching for the IP address. After it found it by IP
> > address, it was able to find it by machine name. Still the XP machine was not
> > showing up in Vista network but I eventually got to it by typing the address
> > into windows explorer (I had to try \\IP address before getting it to find
> > \\machine name). After this, it showed up in network. But even after all this
> > Windows Easy Transfer still could not recognize an other machine on the
> > network. Now I'm afraid to turn off either machine in case I loose the
> > networking again.
> >
> > It seems to me like networking in Vista is really buggy and is pretty much a
> > hit or miss thing depending on your luck. I happen to be reasonably
> > technically profficient and my setup is very simple with no 3rd party
> > firewalls or anything unusual in the mix and yet it's baffled the hell out of
> > me and I still don't understand why it didn't work then but works now,
> > without changing any settings. I cannot imagine how someone that's not so
> > tech savvy would ever get 2 machines to see each other on their home network.
> > This board is full of posts about this problem and still there is no relaible
> > troubleshooting available for this. As far as home networking is concerened
> > Microsoft has taken a big step backwards with Vista.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Aidan Curran" wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > I've read a lot of threads on this but none have helped my situation. This
> > > should be really simple but it's not.
> > >
> > > Here's my problem:
> > >
> > > I have a new PC running Vista Business. My laptop is running XP Pro. They
> > > are both connected to my router (by cable). I have set workgroup name the
> > > same for both (I ran the Network setup wizard in XP).
> > >
> > > In XP if I search for computer it does not find my Vista PC (yes I typed the
> > > name correctly).
> > >
> > > In Vista the XP machine does not show up under network (I guess there is no
> > > 'search for computer' in Vista). I installed LLTD on XP machine and after
> > > that it does show up in Network Map on vista but still not in Network folder.
> > > The map is quite useless, it's just a picture, you cannot actually use it to
> > > access the other computer but it does show that the vista machine can 'see'
> > > the XP machine.
> > >
> > > My settings on Vista machine are:
> > > Network type: private
> > > Network discovery: on
> > > File sharing: On
> > > Public folder sharing: on (also tried off)
> > > printer sharing: on
> > > password protected sharing: off (also tried on)
> > >
> > > I tried turning off firewalls on both machines (only use built in, no 3rd
> > > party).
> > > My setup is really simple and basic, this should not be so difficult (I have
> > > spent hours and hours already). Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Aidan
(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: RE: Cannot network Vista and XP [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Hi Harry,
This is actually exactly the same as my problem now. Isn't Vista so
ridiculous? I did find however that I can access the XP machine by typing
\\[IP address] in the address bar of windows explorer, you might want to try
that. (To get IP address, open command prompt and type ipconfig on your XP
machine)
What I want to know is why does Vista display the XP machine (with correct
IP address) in the network map, display the XP machine in the Network folder
and then say it can't access it when you click on it? It makes no sense to me
and it's driving me mad, I've wasted so much time on it already as I'm sure
thousands of other users have. We need answers from Microsoft right now.
"Harry VanDyke" wrote:
>
>
> "Aidan Curran" wrote:
>
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I've read a lot of threads on this but none have helped my situation. This
> > should be really simple but it's not.
> >
> > Here's my problem:
> >
> > I have a new PC running Vista Business. My laptop is running XP Pro. They
> > are both connected to my router (by cable). I have set workgroup name the
> > same for both (I ran the Network setup wizard in XP).
> >
> > In XP if I search for computer it does not find my Vista PC (yes I typed the
> > name correctly).
> >
> > In Vista the XP machine does not show up under network (I guess there is no
> > 'search for computer' in Vista). I installed LLTD on XP machine and after
> > that it does show up in Network Map on vista but still not in Network folder.
> > The map is quite useless, it's just a picture, you cannot actually use it to
> > access the other computer but it does show that the vista machine can 'see'
> > the XP machine.
> >
> > My settings on Vista machine are:
> > Network type: private
> > Network discovery: on
> > File sharing: On
> > Public folder sharing: on (also tried off)
> > printer sharing: on
> > password protected sharing: off (also tried on)
> >
> > I tried turning off firewalls on both machines (only use built in, no 3rd
> > party).
> > My setup is really simple and basic, this should not be so difficult (I have
> > spent hours and hours already). Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Aidan
>
> I found the same problem.Have basically the same setup, one computer with XP
> pro and one with Vista Ultimate.
>
> I was finally able to access files on my Vista machine from the XP machine
> after going through the procedure on "Sharing Files" on the
> http://windowshelp.microcsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/ site.
>
> But I could never access the XP computer from the Vista one.
>
> I keep getting Windows cannot access\\KAREN check the spelling of the name,
> Otherwise there might be a problem with your network.....
> The spelling was checked and rechecked, it shows up on the network but I
> can't access it.
(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:11 am Post subject: unable to connect vista to xp [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
I have tried the same thing, I even upgraded to the ultimate version of vista to try and see if this would fix and nothing has worked either.
I have tried the same things as you have and searched Microsoft extensivly with nothing usefull.
(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject: Vista not playing with XP [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
This is the same issue I am having and I have tried all the same resolutions. /shrug
At this point I am going to wipe the Vista and reinstall XP pro.
(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: Cannot network Vista and XP [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
"PhilWardstill" <PhilWardstill.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C5F9B65F-C15D-4EDE-A8E4-B33A321B1219@microsoft.com...
> Same problem here;able to transfer files from XP machine to Vista laptop
> through wireless and wired connections, XP machine shows up in vista
> network
> view, but when trying to access xp from vista I get the not available
> message. Can ping via IP address and computer name. I have no software
> firewalls on either machine. My sons computer is also on the network and
> he
> runs xp. I can see his pc from the vista network window and I get the
> logon
> screen when I click on the icon for his computer. I guess if I had a logon
> name for his machine I could share files, but I don't know why I do not
> get a
> logon screen from my win xp desktop.
------
Your Winxp desktop ---If XP Home you may not receive a logon prompt.
(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:35 pm Post subject: RE: Cannot network Vista and XP [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Wow, so many people with the same problem, it's pretty apparent now that this
is a HUGE Vista bug - Are there any Microsoft people in this forum to explain
to us all what's going on???
Is there anyone out there who has been able to home network Vista and XP
without any problems? I'd like to hear.
In the meantime I've worked out a 'Jerry-rig' solution that works for me but
I don't know if it will work for all of you other people with this problem.
Here's the steps I take to establish a network connection between my XP and
Vista machines:
1. Determine IP addresses of each
2. On XP machine type \\[Vista IP address] in Windows Explorer. (You should
be able to see the Vista shared folders if this is going to work for you)
3. Click into one of the shared folders
4. On Vista machine type \\[XP IP address] in Windows Explorer. You should
now be able to see the shared folders on the XP machine.
It needs to be done in this exact order for it to work for me and I have to
do this procedure everytime one of the machines is restarted.
Hope this helps some of you as a workaround while we are waiting to see what
Microsoft is going to do about this problem. Let us know if it works for you.
Cheers,
Aidan
"Aidan Curran" wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I've read a lot of threads on this but none have helped my situation. This
> should be really simple but it's not.
>
> Here's my problem:
>
> I have a new PC running Vista Business. My laptop is running XP Pro. They
> are both connected to my router (by cable). I have set workgroup name the
> same for both (I ran the Network setup wizard in XP).
>
> In XP if I search for computer it does not find my Vista PC (yes I typed the
> name correctly).
>
> In Vista the XP machine does not show up under network (I guess there is no
> 'search for computer' in Vista). I installed LLTD on XP machine and after
> that it does show up in Network Map on vista but still not in Network folder.
> The map is quite useless, it's just a picture, you cannot actually use it to
> access the other computer but it does show that the vista machine can 'see'
> the XP machine.
>
> My settings on Vista machine are:
> Network type: private
> Network discovery: on
> File sharing: On
> Public folder sharing: on (also tried off)
> printer sharing: on
> password protected sharing: off (also tried on)
>
> I tried turning off firewalls on both machines (only use built in, no 3rd
> party).
> My setup is really simple and basic, this should not be so difficult (I have
> spent hours and hours already). Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Aidan
(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject: RE: Cannot network Vista and XP [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Tried and it worked to a point. XP to vista worked fine. Vista to XP worked
to the point of the login screen, but it would not accept the user and
password.
said logon failed. A step in the correct direction at least. Thanks
"Aidan Curran" wrote:
> Wow, so many people with the same problem, it's pretty apparent now that this
> is a HUGE Vista bug - Are there any Microsoft people in this forum to explain
> to us all what's going on???
>
> Is there anyone out there who has been able to home network Vista and XP
> without any problems? I'd like to hear.
>
> In the meantime I've worked out a 'Jerry-rig' solution that works for me but
> I don't know if it will work for all of you other people with this problem.
> Here's the steps I take to establish a network connection between my XP and
> Vista machines:
>
> 1. Determine IP addresses of each
> 2. On XP machine type \\[Vista IP address] in Windows Explorer. (You should
> be able to see the Vista shared folders if this is going to work for you)
> 3. Click into one of the shared folders
> 4. On Vista machine type \\[XP IP address] in Windows Explorer. You should
> now be able to see the shared folders on the XP machine.
>
> It needs to be done in this exact order for it to work for me and I have to
> do this procedure everytime one of the machines is restarted.
>
> Hope this helps some of you as a workaround while we are waiting to see what
> Microsoft is going to do about this problem. Let us know if it works for you.
>
> Cheers,
> Aidan
>
>
> "Aidan Curran" wrote:
>
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I've read a lot of threads on this but none have helped my situation. This
> > should be really simple but it's not.
> >
> > Here's my problem:
> >
> > I have a new PC running Vista Business. My laptop is running XP Pro. They
> > are both connected to my router (by cable). I have set workgroup name the
> > same for both (I ran the Network setup wizard in XP).
> >
> > In XP if I search for computer it does not find my Vista PC (yes I typed the
> > name correctly).
> >
> > In Vista the XP machine does not show up under network (I guess there is no
> > 'search for computer' in Vista). I installed LLTD on XP machine and after
> > that it does show up in Network Map on vista but still not in Network folder.
> > The map is quite useless, it's just a picture, you cannot actually use it to
> > access the other computer but it does show that the vista machine can 'see'
> > the XP machine.
> >
> > My settings on Vista machine are:
> > Network type: private
> > Network discovery: on
> > File sharing: On
> > Public folder sharing: on (also tried off)
> > printer sharing: on
> > password protected sharing: off (also tried on)
> >
> > I tried turning off firewalls on both machines (only use built in, no 3rd
> > party).
> > My setup is really simple and basic, this should not be so difficult (I have
> > spent hours and hours already). Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Aidan
(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: RE: Cannot network Vista and XP [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
Aidan, and everyone in this thread,
I'm sorry you're experiencing trouble. Vista is more secure and much more
flexible than XP, which is why things work a bit differently in Vista. In
Vista, Classic file sharing is the default, not Guest-only. You use the
Sharing Wizard to create/manage/delete file shares; and Network and Sharing
Center to manage network settings.
To understand better where you're at, review the recommendations below:
- Ensure every machine is in the same workgroup and subnet
- Ensure only one firewall is enabled per machine (In Vista, that's
Start.Control Panel.Security.Security Center.Firewall.
- Set Network Category to Home/Work (Private), which is a less secure
setting and allows for file/printer sharing as well as computer discovery
- Ensure every user account has a non-empty password
- Create the same user account (with same password) on all machines
- Ensure password protected sharing is ON
- Use the Sharing Wizard to create and manage shares (You can find the
Sharing Wizard by right clicking on the folder to share and selecting
"Share...")
> Wow, so many people with the same problem, it's pretty apparent now that this
> is a HUGE Vista bug - Are there any Microsoft people in this forum to explain
> to us all what's going on???
>
> Is there anyone out there who has been able to home network Vista and XP
> without any problems? I'd like to hear.
>
> In the meantime I've worked out a 'Jerry-rig' solution that works for me but
> I don't know if it will work for all of you other people with this problem.
> Here's the steps I take to establish a network connection between my XP and
> Vista machines:
>
> 1. Determine IP addresses of each
> 2. On XP machine type \\[Vista IP address] in Windows Explorer. (You should
> be able to see the Vista shared folders if this is going to work for you)
> 3. Click into one of the shared folders
> 4. On Vista machine type \\[XP IP address] in Windows Explorer. You should
> now be able to see the shared folders on the XP machine.
>
> It needs to be done in this exact order for it to work for me and I have to
> do this procedure everytime one of the machines is restarted.
>
> Hope this helps some of you as a workaround while we are waiting to see what
> Microsoft is going to do about this problem. Let us know if it works for you.
>
> Cheers,
> Aidan
>
>
> "Aidan Curran" wrote:
>
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > I've read a lot of threads on this but none have helped my situation. This
> > should be really simple but it's not.
> >
> > Here's my problem:
> >
> > I have a new PC running Vista Business. My laptop is running XP Pro. They
> > are both connected to my router (by cable). I have set workgroup name the
> > same for both (I ran the Network setup wizard in XP).
> >
> > In XP if I search for computer it does not find my Vista PC (yes I typed the
> > name correctly).
> >
> > In Vista the XP machine does not show up under network (I guess there is no
> > 'search for computer' in Vista). I installed LLTD on XP machine and after
> > that it does show up in Network Map on vista but still not in Network folder.
> > The map is quite useless, it's just a picture, you cannot actually use it to
> > access the other computer but it does show that the vista machine can 'see'
> > the XP machine.
> >
> > My settings on Vista machine are:
> > Network type: private
> > Network discovery: on
> > File sharing: On
> > Public folder sharing: on (also tried off)
> > printer sharing: on
> > password protected sharing: off (also tried on)
> >
> > I tried turning off firewalls on both machines (only use built in, no 3rd
> > party).
> > My setup is really simple and basic, this should not be so difficult (I have
> > spent hours and hours already). Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Aidan
(Msg. 16) Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: RE: Cannot network Vista and XP [Login to view extended thread Info.]
From what I can see it's Vista's firewall. I have Ultimate on my machine and XP home & pro on 3 other machines. Same issues that everyone else has had, except my connections have been sporadic. Sometimes all will work fine, other times nothing. So, just as a last resort, I changed Vista's firewall settings to allow all inbound traffic (rather than blocking those that don't conform to rules), and all XP computers instantly showed up in the network listing and all shares were fully accessible, even after a reboot.
Obviously, this isn't the recommended answer, but it looks like it may be in the inbound traffic rules.
(Msg. 17) Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:44 am Post subject: RE: Cannot network Vista and XP [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: microsoft>public>windows>vista>networking_sharing (more info?)
Nice try Kim. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Still doesn't work. I
have followed lots of leads in these posts and my story is pretty much
identical to hundreds of the posts here.
I have the XP patch installed.
I can ping both ways.
I can see XP from the Vista network map.
I CANNOT access XP from Vista.
After adding the IP address for the Vista box to Norton on the XP box, I can
now access SOME Vista files from XP, can NOT access shared data drives.
I can access a shared printer on both machines.
My suggestion at this point would be for a MS tech to get a Vista box and an
XP box and ACTUALLY TRY TO CONNECT THEM ...
Then, after about a week of frustration, come back to this forum and give us
step by step instructions on how to network. (and please, don't leave out
half of the steps and assume that we know what you are thinking)
I have read lots of posts here with "detailed instructions" and, as I go
down the lists, I conclude that steps are being left out.
Please, give us something that actually works.???
"Kim [MS]" wrote:
> Aidan, and everyone in this thread,
>
> I'm sorry you're experiencing trouble. Vista is more secure and much more
> flexible than XP, which is why things work a bit differently in Vista. In
> Vista, Classic file sharing is the default, not Guest-only. You use the
> Sharing Wizard to create/manage/delete file shares; and Network and Sharing
> Center to manage network settings.
>
> To understand better where you're at, review the recommendations below:
> - Ensure every machine is in the same workgroup and subnet
> - Ensure only one firewall is enabled per machine (In Vista, that's
> Start.Control Panel.Security.Security Center.Firewall.
> - Set Network Category to Home/Work (Private), which is a less secure
> setting and allows for file/printer sharing as well as computer discovery
> - Ensure every user account has a non-empty password
> - Create the same user account (with same password) on all machines
> - Ensure password protected sharing is ON
> - Use the Sharing Wizard to create and manage shares (You can find the
> Sharing Wizard by right clicking on the folder to share and selecting
> "Share...")
>
> Please post back with results.
>
> Also, please note that we have written an extensive web-based manual which
> is easy-to-follow and troubleshoot problems like this. If you click on
> Start.Help and Support, you'll find it. Or, just click here:
> http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/e20e6875-7210-47bb...19-5c60 >
>
> "Aidan Curran" wrote:
>
> > Wow, so many people with the same problem, it's pretty apparent now that this
> > is a HUGE Vista bug - Are there any Microsoft people in this forum to explain
> > to us all what's going on???
> >
> > Is there anyone out there who has been able to home network Vista and XP
> > without any problems? I'd like to hear.
> >
> > In the meantime I've worked out a 'Jerry-rig' solution that works for me but
> > I don't know if it will work for all of you other people with this problem.
> > Here's the steps I take to establish a network connection between my XP and
> > Vista machines:
> >
> > 1. Determine IP addresses of each
> > 2. On XP machine type \\[Vista IP address] in Windows Explorer. (You should
> > be able to see the Vista shared folders if this is going to work for you)
> > 3. Click into one of the shared folders
> > 4. On Vista machine type \\[XP IP address] in Windows Explorer. You should
> > now be able to see the shared folders on the XP machine.
> >
> > It needs to be done in this exact order for it to work for me and I have to
> > do this procedure everytime one of the machines is restarted.
> >
> > Hope this helps some of you as a workaround while we are waiting to see what
> > Microsoft is going to do about this problem. Let us know if it works for you.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Aidan
> >
> >
> > "Aidan Curran" wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > I've read a lot of threads on this but none have helped my situation. This
> > > should be really simple but it's not.
> > >
> > > Here's my problem:
> > >
> > > I have a new PC running Vista Business. My laptop is running XP Pro. They
> > > are both connected to my router (by cable). I have set workgroup name the
> > > same for both (I ran the Network setup wizard in XP).
> > >
> > > In XP if I search for computer it does not find my Vista PC (yes I typed the
> > > name correctly).
> > >
> > > In Vista the XP machine does not show up under network (I guess there is no
> > > 'search for computer' in Vista). I installed LLTD on XP machine and after
> > > that it does show up in Network Map on vista but still not in Network folder.
> > > The map is quite useless, it's just a picture, you cannot actually use it to
> > > access the other computer but it does show that the vista machine can 'see'
> > > the XP machine.
> > >
> > > My settings on Vista machine are:
> > > Network type: private
> > > Network discovery: on
> > > File sharing: On
> > > Public folder sharing: on (also tried off)
> > > printer sharing: on
> > > password protected sharing: off (also tried on)
> > >
> > > I tried turning off firewalls on both machines (only use built in, no 3rd
> > > party).
> > > My setup is really simple and basic, this should not be so difficult (I have
> > > spent hours and hours already). Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Aidan
(Msg. 18) Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: RE: Cannot network Vista and XP [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
We have tested this scenario, and are able to get it working, as are others
who post to this forum; so I know it can be done! : )
Please confirm: you can access shared Vista files from XP, but not Vista
drives? Are you trying to share our your root (c drive?
Pls post back.
"baldy" wrote:
> Nice try Kim. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Still doesn't work. I
> have followed lots of leads in these posts and my story is pretty much
> identical to hundreds of the posts here.
>
> I have the XP patch installed.
> I can ping both ways.
> I can see XP from the Vista network map.
> I CANNOT access XP from Vista.
> After adding the IP address for the Vista box to Norton on the XP box, I can
> now access SOME Vista files from XP, can NOT access shared data drives.
> I can access a shared printer on both machines.
>
> My suggestion at this point would be for a MS tech to get a Vista box and an
> XP box and ACTUALLY TRY TO CONNECT THEM ...
>
> Then, after about a week of frustration, come back to this forum and give us
> step by step instructions on how to network. (and please, don't leave out
> half of the steps and assume that we know what you are thinking)
>
> I have read lots of posts here with "detailed instructions" and, as I go
> down the lists, I conclude that steps are being left out.
>
> Please, give us something that actually works.???
>
> "Kim [MS]" wrote:
>
> > Aidan, and everyone in this thread,
> >
> > I'm sorry you're experiencing trouble. Vista is more secure and much more
> > flexible than XP, which is why things work a bit differently in Vista. In
> > Vista, Classic file sharing is the default, not Guest-only. You use the
> > Sharing Wizard to create/manage/delete file shares; and Network and Sharing
> > Center to manage network settings.
> >
> > To understand better where you're at, review the recommendations below:
> > - Ensure every machine is in the same workgroup and subnet
> > - Ensure only one firewall is enabled per machine (In Vista, that's
> > Start.Control Panel.Security.Security Center.Firewall.
> > - Set Network Category to Home/Work (Private), which is a less secure
> > setting and allows for file/printer sharing as well as computer discovery
> > - Ensure every user account has a non-empty password
> > - Create the same user account (with same password) on all machines
> > - Ensure password protected sharing is ON
> > - Use the Sharing Wizard to create and manage shares (You can find the
> > Sharing Wizard by right clicking on the folder to share and selecting
> > "Share...")
> >
> > Please post back with results.
> >
> > Also, please note that we have written an extensive web-based manual which
> > is easy-to-follow and troubleshoot problems like this. If you click on
> > Start.Help and Support, you'll find it. Or, just click here:
> > http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/e20e6875-7210-47bb...19-5c60 > >
> >
> > "Aidan Curran" wrote:
> >
> > > Wow, so many people with the same problem, it's pretty apparent now that this
> > > is a HUGE Vista bug - Are there any Microsoft people in this forum to explain
> > > to us all what's going on???
> > >
> > > Is there anyone out there who has been able to home network Vista and XP
> > > without any problems? I'd like to hear.
> > >
> > > In the meantime I've worked out a 'Jerry-rig' solution that works for me but
> > > I don't know if it will work for all of you other people with this problem.
> > > Here's the steps I take to establish a network connection between my XP and
> > > Vista machines:
> > >
> > > 1. Determine IP addresses of each
> > > 2. On XP machine type \\[Vista IP address] in Windows Explorer. (You should
> > > be able to see the Vista shared folders if this is going to work for you)
> > > 3. Click into one of the shared folders
> > > 4. On Vista machine type \\[XP IP address] in Windows Explorer. You should
> > > now be able to see the shared folders on the XP machine.
> > >
> > > It needs to be done in this exact order for it to work for me and I have to
> > > do this p
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