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Christoph
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:10 am    Post subject: Can't change read only on external hard drive
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I have all my data on an external hard drive and was working with it from my
old XP-system without a problem. In Vista all files are suddenly read only,
and allthough I unclicked it in my administrator account and applied the
changes, once it is done the files are still read only!
Please let me know how I can get rid of that read only on my stuff
Thanks

Christoph
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Michael
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Can't change read only on external hard drive [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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If you are looking at folders, the 'read only' box doesn't apply (which is
why it is a filled in box rather than a check or empty box).

Michael

"Christoph" wrote in message

>I have all my data on an external hard drive and was working with it from
>my
> old XP-system without a problem. In Vista all files are suddenly read
> only,
> and allthough I unclicked it in my administrator account and applied the
> changes, once it is done the files are still read only!
> Please let me know how I can get rid of that read only on my stuff
> Thanks
>
> Christoph
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Christoph
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 1:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Can't change read only on external hard drive [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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It's not about looking at folders, if I try to open the files in my image
analysis software it tells me that I can't change anything because it's read
only

Christoph

"Michael" wrote:

> If you are looking at folders, the 'read only' box doesn't apply (which is
> why it is a filled in box rather than a check or empty box).
>
> Michael
>
> "Christoph" wrote in message
>
> >I have all my data on an external hard drive and was working with it from
> >my
> > old XP-system without a problem. In Vista all files are suddenly read
> > only,
> > and allthough I unclicked it in my administrator account and applied the
> > changes, once it is done the files are still read only!
> > Please let me know how I can get rid of that read only on my stuff
> > Thanks
> >
> > Christoph
>
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Michael
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Can't change read only on external hard drive [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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OK, perhaps it is a permissions problem, as the files were created on an XP
the owner of the files is probably set to
the XP user.
(assumption: this is a NTFS formatted drive).

In windows explorer, browse to a file that you are having problems 'writing'
(not a directory/folder).

Right click the file, select properties.

Verify that clearing the attribute 'read only will not stay.
(it is currently read only check mark, clear it, apply OK look at properties
again and see that the box is checked (not just filled in) again).

Change ownership for that file:
now select the security tab, advanced button owner tab hopefully you will
NOT be listed as owner (otherwise something else is the problem).

You should be listed in the possible change owner list, select EDIT button
and grant permission.
You and the administrators group should be in this list, select yourself and
apply.

Now try looking at the read only box again, see if you can change and then
try your program that is failing.
If you can now make changes to that file you need to do the same for the
entire drive. Fortunately you don't have to do this on file by file basis,
browse to the drive in question (make sure no files from the drive are in
use, close the editor program you were using to test for instance).
Now change the ownership for the entire drive, at some point you will be
asked if you want to change ownership on all items and included items (or
something like that) say yes and everything will change ownership, now you
should be able to do anything you want with the files.

Michael



"Christoph" wrote in message

> It's not about looking at folders, if I try to open the files in my image
> analysis software it tells me that I can't change anything because it's
> read
> only
>
> Christoph
>
> "Michael" wrote:
>
>> If you are looking at folders, the 'read only' box doesn't apply (which
>> is
>> why it is a filled in box rather than a check or empty box).
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> "Christoph" wrote in message
>>
>> >I have all my data on an external hard drive and was working with it
>> >from
>> >my
>> > old XP-system without a problem. In Vista all files are suddenly read
>> > only,
>> > and allthough I unclicked it in my administrator account and applied
>> > the
>> > changes, once it is done the files are still read only!
>> > Please let me know how I can get rid of that read only on my stuff
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Christoph
>>
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Christoph
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Can't change read only on external hard drive [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Michael, thanks for your suggestions, unfortunately it's still there and I
slowly start to hate the day that I agreed to have Vista installed....

- the read only field is surprisingly filled only for the folders and not
for the individual files in the folders
- If I try to change this in the folders (klick on it so that the field is
empty, than hit Apply and than ok) and reopen the properties it's still there.
- if I go to properties - Security I see several accounts but non with my
account name, there is everyone, creator/owner, system, S-and a very long
number behind it, administrators and users. The S-long number thing has a
read question mark in front. If I check the accounts in the control panel I
only have one administrator account in my name and a non-active guest account
- and as I mentioned before I had this drive attached to several computers
running XP and never had any issue about a change in the file properties, and
was always able to access them without any problem.

if you have any other suggestions I would be most grateful, as I really need
to work on that material urgently.....

Thanks

Christoph
"Michael" wrote:

> OK, perhaps it is a permissions problem, as the files were created on an XP
> the owner of the files is probably set to
> the XP user.
> (assumption: this is a NTFS formatted drive).
>
> In windows explorer, browse to a file that you are having problems 'writing'
> (not a directory/folder).
>
> Right click the file, select properties.
>
> Verify that clearing the attribute 'read only will not stay.
> (it is currently read only check mark, clear it, apply OK look at properties
> again and see that the box is checked (not just filled in) again).
>
> Change ownership for that file:
> now select the security tab, advanced button owner tab hopefully you will
> NOT be listed as owner (otherwise something else is the problem).
>
> You should be listed in the possible change owner list, select EDIT button
> and grant permission.
> You and the administrators group should be in this list, select yourself and
> apply.
>
> Now try looking at the read only box again, see if you can change and then
> try your program that is failing.
> If you can now make changes to that file you need to do the same for the
> entire drive. Fortunately you don't have to do this on file by file basis,
> browse to the drive in question (make sure no files from the drive are in
> use, close the editor program you were using to test for instance).
> Now change the ownership for the entire drive, at some point you will be
> asked if you want to change ownership on all items and included items (or
> something like that) say yes and everything will change ownership, now you
> should be able to do anything you want with the files.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> "Christoph" wrote in message
>
> > It's not about looking at folders, if I try to open the files in my image
> > analysis software it tells me that I can't change anything because it's
> > read
> > only
> >
> > Christoph
> >
> > "Michael" wrote:
> >
> >> If you are looking at folders, the 'read only' box doesn't apply (which
> >> is
> >> why it is a filled in box rather than a check or empty box).
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >> "Christoph" wrote in message
> >>
> >> >I have all my data on an external hard drive and was working with it
> >> >from
> >> >my
> >> > old XP-system without a problem. In Vista all files are suddenly read
> >> > only,
> >> > and allthough I unclicked it in my administrator account and applied
> >> > the
> >> > changes, once it is done the files are still read only!
> >> > Please let me know how I can get rid of that read only on my stuff
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > Christoph
> >>
>
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Michael
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Can't change read only on external hard drive [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I repeat,
the readonly box simply doesn not apply to folders. Ignore it, folders are
not readonly.

The S- number is the account number (sort of like a SSN) of the account that
owned the folders and files when they were transfered to the external drive.
That account does not exist on your new machine (resulting in the question
mark).

What you want to do is to take ownership of that hard drive anad all folders
and files in it.

Start orb
click on computer
right click on the drive icon for the external drive
select properties
select security tab
click advanced button
click owner tab
click edit button
there should be at least two entries in 'Change owner two', Administrators,
and your account
click your account to highlight it
click to select the box 'Replace owner on subcontainers and objects'
now click on the OK button, if asked if your really want to do this say yes.

Michael

"Christoph" wrote in message

>
> Michael, thanks for your suggestions, unfortunately it's still there and I
> slowly start to hate the day that I agreed to have Vista installed....
>
> - the read only field is surprisingly filled only for the folders and not
> for the individual files in the folders
> - If I try to change this in the folders (klick on it so that the field is
> empty, than hit Apply and than ok) and reopen the properties it's still
> there.
> - if I go to properties - Security I see several accounts but non with my
> account name, there is everyone, creator/owner, system, S-and a very long
> number behind it, administrators and users. The S-long number thing has a
> read question mark in front. If I check the accounts in the control panel
> I
> only have one administrator account in my name and a non-active guest
> account
> - and as I mentioned before I had this drive attached to several computers
> running XP and never had any issue about a change in the file properties,
> and
> was always able to access them without any problem.
>
> if you have any other suggestions I would be most grateful, as I really
> need
> to work on that material urgently.....
>
> Thanks
>
> Christoph
> "Michael" wrote:
>
>> OK, perhaps it is a permissions problem, as the files were created on an
>> XP
>> the owner of the files is probably set to
>> the XP user.
>> (assumption: this is a NTFS formatted drive).
>>
>> In windows explorer, browse to a file that you are having problems
>> 'writing'
>> (not a directory/folder).
>>
>> Right click the file, select properties.
>>
>> Verify that clearing the attribute 'read only will not stay.
>> (it is currently read only check mark, clear it, apply OK look at
>> properties
>> again and see that the box is checked (not just filled in) again).
>>
>> Change ownership for that file:
>> now select the security tab, advanced button owner tab hopefully you will
>> NOT be listed as owner (otherwise something else is the problem).
>>
>> You should be listed in the possible change owner list, select EDIT
>> button
>> and grant permission.
>> You and the administrators group should be in this list, select yourself
>> and
>> apply.
>>
>> Now try looking at the read only box again, see if you can change and
>> then
>> try your program that is failing.
>> If you can now make changes to that file you need to do the same for the
>> entire drive. Fortunately you don't have to do this on file by file
>> basis,
>> browse to the drive in question (make sure no files from the drive are in
>> use, close the editor program you were using to test for instance).
>> Now change the ownership for the entire drive, at some point you will be
>> asked if you want to change ownership on all items and included items (or
>> something like that) say yes and everything will change ownership, now
>> you
>> should be able to do anything you want with the files.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> "Christoph" wrote in message
>>
>> > It's not about looking at folders, if I try to open the files in my
>> > image
>> > analysis software it tells me that I can't change anything because it's
>> > read
>> > only
>> >
>> > Christoph
>> >
>> > "Michael" wrote:
>> >
>> >> If you are looking at folders, the 'read only' box doesn't apply
>> >> (which
>> >> is
>> >> why it is a filled in box rather than a check or empty box).
>> >>
>> >> Michael
>> >>
>> >> "Christoph" wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> >I have all my data on an external hard drive and was working with it
>> >> >from
>> >> >my
>> >> > old XP-system without a problem. In Vista all files are suddenly
>> >> > read
>> >> > only,
>> >> > and allthough I unclicked it in my administrator account and applied
>> >> > the
>> >> > changes, once it is done the files are still read only!
>> >> > Please let me know how I can get rid of that read only on my stuff
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> >
>> >> > Christoph
>> >>
>>
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R. C. White
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Can't change read only on external hard drive [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Hi, Christoph.

This KB article is too technical for me (I'm an accountant, not a techie of
any kind!), but maybe you can get something from it:
You Cannot View or Change the Read-Only or System Attribute of Folders
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;326549

RC
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San Marcos, TX
rc@grandecom.net
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail beta in Vista Ultimate x64)

"Christoph" wrote in message

>
> Michael, thanks for your suggestions, unfortunately it's still there and I
> slowly start to hate the day that I agreed to have Vista installed....
>
> - the read only field is surprisingly filled only for the folders and not
> for the individual files in the folders
> - If I try to change this in the folders (klick on it so that the field is
> empty, than hit Apply and than ok) and reopen the properties it's still
> there.
<SNIP>
>
> Thanks
>
> Christoph
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Newminds



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:59 am    Post subject: Re: Can't change read only on external hard drive [Login to view extended thread Info.]

I have an almost identical problem and was not able to contact the original poster who started this Thread to see if he ever resolved this problem !

Problem:

Neither the Logged in User, or the Windows XP System can access The Programs Folder On my E: Drive, Im Unable to Create Directories, No Write Access to this Folder and All of its Sub-Folders and files !


Explanation:

I First noticed this problem when trying to install a program, and the installation failed due to inability to create a folder in the Programs Folder.

Here is what I know:

1. Under the Security Tab in Folder Properties The only group defined there is: “Everyone – Full Control”

2. Under “Advanced Settings - "Owner “ - It shows some long number that starts with "S" , if I try to take ownership and turn it over to administrator, I get something to the effect of “Could not write permission changes”: Access Denied. I get that on all attempted changes, on the programs folder and all of its subfolders and files.

3. The programs folder spoken of above is in the root directory of a partition on one of my drives and is labeled E:/Programs - I normally install all my programs there, all except those that insist on being on C:\Programs, which so far is un-affected like E:/Programs.

4. Both the root above the programs folder (E: the parent) , and the Programs sub-folder itself did not have the usual access permissions
a. The Only security group defined was “EVERYONE” – Full Control
b. No “Administrators” Group
c. No “System” Group
d. No “Creator /Owner” Group
e. No "Users Group"

5. The Root (ESmile showed that the owner Was Administrator in Advanced Properties.

6. Under the security Tab for the root (ESmile I was able to add The ADMINISTRATOR, SYSTEM, AND USERS GROUP, saving the permissions for the root (ESmile was not a problem.

7. Changing permissions in the Root Directory of course had no effect on the (problem) programs folder, I could not even get it to inherit the permissions I successfully created in the root, because of course it could not save (write) the permissions to the ACL for that Folder ! ACCESS DENIED as usual!

Note: I noticed part of this thread mentioned Read Only Attributes that are set on the properties General Tab of Folders and Files, these have no bearing on being able to delete files and folders, using a file manager like Windows Explorer or My Computer !
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henricsson



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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:10 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

I have athe exact same problem as described above. I try yo change the ID tag for my MP3 songs (not "protected" files), but get the message that the file is either copy protected or busy in another application. I've changed the ownership to "Administrator", and made sure none of the files I tried to change was read-only.

In my case, as well, I have an external USB hard-drive from a previous Windows XP installation. I now run Vista. I had no problems whatsoever before, so I don't quite understand why it is so hard now.

I've even tried to run the command prompt (cmd.exe) as administrator and used the attrib command to make sure none of the files were read-only.

Any clues or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Tobias Henricsson

P.S. The error message from one of the applications, Tag&Rename, can be found at www.soderstromsounds.se/error.jpg
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rolledstone



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:00 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

I had this very problem when changing from Vista to Windows 7. All my music was on an external HDD which I did with vista. Once Windows 7 installed, I could not amend my mp3 tags which caused problems when using itunes and winamp.

I right clicked on the external HDD icon, selected properties, then clicked on the security tab.

I then clicked on EDIT to change ownership permissions and chose Everyone as the owner. Now everything is fine and I again have full control over all files on the external HDD.
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linkhb



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2010 4:28 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

I had the same problem because I didn't really install a program. I just copied the files. So instead of placing it in the Program Files folder, I just put it in the root and it worked.
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