FAX in Vista Home Premium

Thanks John. Do you suppose it might be available as a separate download
sometime for the other versions of Vista?

"John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit.RemoveThis@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
news:uwfTYoLQHHA.4992@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Fax facility is only available in Vista Business, Enterprise and Ultimate.
>
> Word 2007 provides plenty of fax cover templates but still relies, as far
> as i know, on the fax software of Vista Business, Enterprise and Ultimate.
> It doesn't contain a fax application on its own.
>
> --
> John Barnett MVP
> Associate Expert
> Windows Shell/User
>
> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>
> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out
> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
> this mail/post..
>
> "BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
> news:uomt9OJQHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Will some form of FAXing and scanning be available in the Home Premium
>> edition or only in the business edition.
>>
>> I have need for both of these features but do not want the business
>> edition.
>>
>> Maybe they are available in the Office 2007 standard suite?
>>
>> Thanks in advance. Bob.
>>
>

It's doubtful, Microsoft, as far as i know, haven't supplied the fax
software as a separate item for other versions of Windows operating systems.

You may have to look at third party fax applications for this one.
Alternatively you would have to look to buying Vista Business or Ultimate
instead of Premium.

--
John Barnett MVP
Associate Expert
Windows Shell/User

Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org

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reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for
any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the
use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
mail/post..

"BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
news:OaA76LOQHHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Thanks John. Do you suppose it might be available as a separate download
> sometime for the other versions of Vista?
>
> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit RemoveThis @mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
> news:uwfTYoLQHHA.4992@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Fax facility is only available in Vista Business, Enterprise and
>> Ultimate.
>>
>> Word 2007 provides plenty of fax cover templates but still relies, as far
>> as i know, on the fax software of Vista Business, Enterprise and
>> Ultimate. It doesn't contain a fax application on its own.
>>
>> --
>> John Barnett MVP
>> Associate Expert
>> Windows Shell/User
>>
>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>
>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
>> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out
>> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
>> this mail/post..
>>
>> "BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
>> news:uomt9OJQHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Will some form of FAXing and scanning be available in the Home Premium
>>> edition or only in the business edition.
>>>
>>> I have need for both of these features but do not want the business
>>> edition.
>>>
>>> Maybe they are available in the Office 2007 standard suite?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance. Bob.
>>>
>>
>
>

You have got to be kidding. I have vista home premium but I still need to
send and receive faxes!!!! I had this capability with XP, and I am very upset
that it is not available with Vista which I just installed yesterday Feb 3.
Does Microsoft believe that home users never receive or send faxes? What are
my options? How am I to view the faxes I have saved in my documents? I
urgently need to have this capability on my computer and I am sure I am not
alone in this need.

"John Barnett MVP" wrote:

> It's doubtful, Microsoft, as far as i know, haven't supplied the fax
> software as a separate item for other versions of Windows operating systems.
>
> You may have to look at third party fax applications for this one.
> Alternatively you would have to look to buying Vista Business or Ultimate
> instead of Premium.
>
> --
> John Barnett MVP
> Associate Expert
> Windows Shell/User
>
> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>
> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable for
> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of the
> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
> mail/post..
>
> "BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
> news:OaA76LOQHHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > Thanks John. Do you suppose it might be available as a separate download
> > sometime for the other versions of Vista?
> >
> > "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit.RemoveThis@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
> > news:uwfTYoLQHHA.4992@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> Fax facility is only available in Vista Business, Enterprise and
> >> Ultimate.
> >>
> >> Word 2007 provides plenty of fax cover templates but still relies, as far
> >> as i know, on the fax software of Vista Business, Enterprise and
> >> Ultimate. It doesn't contain a fax application on its own.
> >>
> >> --
> >> John Barnett MVP
> >> Associate Expert
> >> Windows Shell/User
> >>
> >> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
> >> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
> >>
> >> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
> >> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
> >> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
> >> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out
> >> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
> >> this mail/post..
> >>
> >> "BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
> >> news:uomt9OJQHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>> Will some form of FAXing and scanning be available in the Home Premium
> >>> edition or only in the business edition.
> >>>
> >>> I have need for both of these features but do not want the business
> >>> edition.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe they are available in the Office 2007 standard suite?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance. Bob.
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Normally when making a purchase one looks at the features needed and
purchases the appropriate version to meet one's needs. This information is
all well documented.
You can still view your old faxes quite readily. TIF files open in Windows
Photo Gallery.
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
"Susan" <Susan DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C732D82F-F76A-4AFC-A550-42AD677AA518@microsoft.com...
> You have got to be kidding. I have vista home premium but I still need to
> send and receive faxes!!!! I had this capability with XP, and I am very
> upset
> that it is not available with Vista which I just installed yesterday Feb
> 3.
> Does Microsoft believe that home users never receive or send faxes? What
> are
> my options? How am I to view the faxes I have saved in my documents? I
> urgently need to have this capability on my computer and I am sure I am
> not
> alone in this need.
>
> "John Barnett MVP" wrote:
>
>> It's doubtful, Microsoft, as far as i know, haven't supplied the fax
>> software as a separate item for other versions of Windows operating
>> systems.
>>
>> You may have to look at third party fax applications for this one.
>> Alternatively you would have to look to buying Vista Business or Ultimate
>> instead of Premium.
>>
>> --
>> John Barnett MVP
>> Associate Expert
>> Windows Shell/User
>>
>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>
>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
>> for
>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of
>> the
>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
>> mail/post..
>>
>> "BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
>> news:OaA76LOQHHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> > Thanks John. Do you suppose it might be available as a separate
>> > download
>> > sometime for the other versions of Vista?
>> >
>> > "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit DeleteThis @mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>> > news:uwfTYoLQHHA.4992@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >> Fax facility is only available in Vista Business, Enterprise and
>> >> Ultimate.
>> >>
>> >> Word 2007 provides plenty of fax cover templates but still relies, as
>> >> far
>> >> as i know, on the fax software of Vista Business, Enterprise and
>> >> Ultimate. It doesn't contain a fax application on its own.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> John Barnett MVP
>> >> Associate Expert
>> >> Windows Shell/User
>> >>
>> >> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>> >> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>> >>
>> >> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>> >> any
>> >> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>> >> accuracy,
>> >> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be
>> >> liable
>> >> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising
>> >> out
>> >> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed
>> >> in
>> >> this mail/post..
>> >>
>> >> "BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:uomt9OJQHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >>> Will some form of FAXing and scanning be available in the Home
>> >>> Premium
>> >>> edition or only in the business edition.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have need for both of these features but do not want the business
>> >>> edition.
>> >>>
>> >>> Maybe they are available in the Office 2007 standard suite?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks in advance. Bob.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>

Russ, sorry I'm not as astute as you are. Your reply however, is not
helpful. A slap on the wrist might make some feel superior, but without any
concrete suggestions to add to the string, is nothing more than a slap on the
wrist, best to keep the chastising to yourself - it makes you sound smug.

The bottom line is that the program is lacking a fundamental communications
tool and without user input the developers will not know what areas need to
be addressed and included in future service packs.

"Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:

> Normally when making a purchase one looks at the features needed and
> purchases the appropriate version to meet one's needs. This information is
> all well documented.
> You can still view your old faxes quite readily. TIF files open in Windows
> Photo Gallery.
> --
> Russ Valentine
> [MVP-Outlook]
> "Susan" <Susan.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:C732D82F-F76A-4AFC-A550-42AD677AA518@microsoft.com...
> > You have got to be kidding. I have vista home premium but I still need to
> > send and receive faxes!!!! I had this capability with XP, and I am very
> > upset
> > that it is not available with Vista which I just installed yesterday Feb
> > 3.
> > Does Microsoft believe that home users never receive or send faxes? What
> > are
> > my options? How am I to view the faxes I have saved in my documents? I
> > urgently need to have this capability on my computer and I am sure I am
> > not
> > alone in this need.
> >
> > "John Barnett MVP" wrote:
> >
> >> It's doubtful, Microsoft, as far as i know, haven't supplied the fax
> >> software as a separate item for other versions of Windows operating
> >> systems.
> >>
> >> You may have to look at third party fax applications for this one.
> >> Alternatively you would have to look to buying Vista Business or Ultimate
> >> instead of Premium.
> >>
> >> --
> >> John Barnett MVP
> >> Associate Expert
> >> Windows Shell/User
> >>
> >> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
> >> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
> >>
> >> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
> >> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
> >> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
> >> for
> >> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of
> >> the
> >> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
> >> mail/post..
> >>
> >> "BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
> >> news:OaA76LOQHHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> > Thanks John. Do you suppose it might be available as a separate
> >> > download
> >> > sometime for the other versions of Vista?
> >> >
> >> > "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit.TakeThisOut@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
> >> > news:uwfTYoLQHHA.4992@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >> >> Fax facility is only available in Vista Business, Enterprise and
> >> >> Ultimate.
> >> >>
> >> >> Word 2007 provides plenty of fax cover templates but still relies, as
> >> >> far
> >> >> as i know, on the fax software of Vista Business, Enterprise and
> >> >> Ultimate. It doesn't contain a fax application on its own.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> John Barnett MVP
> >> >> Associate Expert
> >> >> Windows Shell/User
> >> >>
> >> >> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
> >> >> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
> >> >>
> >> >> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
> >> >> any
> >> >> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
> >> >> accuracy,
> >> >> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be
> >> >> liable
> >> >> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising
> >> >> out
> >> >> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed
> >> >> in
> >> >> this mail/post..
> >> >>
> >> >> "BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:uomt9OJQHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> >>> Will some form of FAXing and scanning be available in the Home
> >> >>> Premium
> >> >>> edition or only in the business edition.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I have need for both of these features but do not want the business
> >> >>> edition.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Maybe they are available in the Office 2007 standard suite?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks in advance. Bob.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
>

You should have read the list of features in each version before you
buy. That info has been available for about a year. The fax has NEVER
been part of Premium, only Ultimate and Business.
If fax software came with your modem, try installing that. Otherwise,
stop whining and go buy some fax software. There are many to choose from.

Susan wrote:
> Russ, sorry I'm not as astute as you are. Your reply however, is not
> helpful. A slap on the wrist might make some feel superior, but without any
> concrete suggestions to add to the string, is nothing more than a slap on the
> wrist, best to keep the chastising to yourself - it makes you sound smug.
>
> The bottom line is that the program is lacking a fundamental communications
> tool and without user input the developers will not know what areas need to
> be addressed and included in future service packs.
>
> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
>
>> Normally when making a purchase one looks at the features needed and
>> purchases the appropriate version to meet one's needs. This information is
>> all well documented.
>> You can still view your old faxes quite readily. TIF files open in Windows
>> Photo Gallery.
>> --
>> Russ Valentine
>> [MVP-Outlook]
>> "Susan" <Susan.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:C732D82F-F76A-4AFC-A550-42AD677AA518@microsoft.com...
>>> You have got to be kidding. I have vista home premium but I still need to
>>> send and receive faxes!!!! I had this capability with XP, and I am very
>>> upset
>>> that it is not available with Vista which I just installed yesterday Feb
>>> 3.
>>> Does Microsoft believe that home users never receive or send faxes? What
>>> are
>>> my options? How am I to view the faxes I have saved in my documents? I
>>> urgently need to have this capability on my computer and I am sure I am
>>> not
>>> alone in this need.
>>>
>>> "John Barnett MVP" wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's doubtful, Microsoft, as far as i know, haven't supplied the fax
>>>> software as a separate item for other versions of Windows operating
>>>> systems.
>>>>
>>>> You may have to look at third party fax applications for this one.
>>>> Alternatively you would have to look to buying Vista Business or Ultimate
>>>> instead of Premium.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>> Associate Expert
>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>
>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>
>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
>>>> for
>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of
>>>> the
>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
>>>> mail/post..
>>>>
>>>> "BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:OaA76LOQHHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Thanks John. Do you suppose it might be available as a separate
>>>>> download
>>>>> sometime for the other versions of Vista?
>>>>>
>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit.DeleteThis@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uwfTYoLQHHA.4992@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> Fax facility is only available in Vista Business, Enterprise and
>>>>>> Ultimate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Word 2007 provides plenty of fax cover templates but still relies, as
>>>>>> far
>>>>>> as i know, on the fax software of Vista Business, Enterprise and
>>>>>> Ultimate. It doesn't contain a fax application on its own.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>>>>> accuracy,
>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be
>>>>>> liable
>>>>>> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> this mail/post..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uomt9OJQHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Will some form of FAXing and scanning be available in the Home
>>>>>>> Premium
>>>>>>> edition or only in the business edition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have need for both of these features but do not want the business
>>>>>>> edition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe they are available in the Office 2007 standard suite?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>

You wanted to know how to view your old faxes. I told you. That was your
only question. The rest was just a rant. I've always been puzzled by users'
expectation that Windows should provide reliable, robust fax software as
part of the OS. Microsoft has done little to create that expectation since
the software it has provided is neither reliable nor robust. Most users who
need to fax purchase a third party product, which you are certainly free to
do. I can assure you the fax feature will not be added back into the basic
versions of Vista in some sort of Service Pack, if that's what you're
asking. Features for each version were set long ago.
--
Russ Valentine
[MVP-Outlook]
"Susan" <Susan RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:11C59053-71F8-45F4-8411-9F1484B8D5A6@microsoft.com...
> Russ, sorry I'm not as astute as you are. Your reply however, is not
> helpful. A slap on the wrist might make some feel superior, but without
> any
> concrete suggestions to add to the string, is nothing more than a slap on
> the
> wrist, best to keep the chastising to yourself - it makes you sound smug.
>
> The bottom line is that the program is lacking a fundamental
> communications
> tool and without user input the developers will not know what areas need
> to
> be addressed and included in future service packs.
>
> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
>
>> Normally when making a purchase one looks at the features needed and
>> purchases the appropriate version to meet one's needs. This information
>> is
>> all well documented.
>> You can still view your old faxes quite readily. TIF files open in
>> Windows
>> Photo Gallery.
>> --
>> Russ Valentine
>> [MVP-Outlook]
>> "Susan" <Susan RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:C732D82F-F76A-4AFC-A550-42AD677AA518@microsoft.com...
>> > You have got to be kidding. I have vista home premium but I still need
>> > to
>> > send and receive faxes!!!! I had this capability with XP, and I am very
>> > upset
>> > that it is not available with Vista which I just installed yesterday
>> > Feb
>> > 3.
>> > Does Microsoft believe that home users never receive or send faxes?
>> > What
>> > are
>> > my options? How am I to view the faxes I have saved in my documents? I
>> > urgently need to have this capability on my computer and I am sure I am
>> > not
>> > alone in this need.
>> >
>> > "John Barnett MVP" wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's doubtful, Microsoft, as far as i know, haven't supplied the fax
>> >> software as a separate item for other versions of Windows operating
>> >> systems.
>> >>
>> >> You may have to look at third party fax applications for this one.
>> >> Alternatively you would have to look to buying Vista Business or
>> >> Ultimate
>> >> instead of Premium.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> John Barnett MVP
>> >> Associate Expert
>> >> Windows Shell/User
>> >>
>> >> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>> >> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>> >>
>> >> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>> >> any
>> >> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>> >> accuracy,
>> >> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be
>> >> liable
>> >> for
>> >> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out
>> >> of
>> >> the
>> >> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
>> >> mail/post..
>> >>
>> >> "BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:OaA76LOQHHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> > Thanks John. Do you suppose it might be available as a separate
>> >> > download
>> >> > sometime for the other versions of Vista?
>> >> >
>> >> > "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit RemoveThis @mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>> >> > news:uwfTYoLQHHA.4992@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >> >> Fax facility is only available in Vista Business, Enterprise and
>> >> >> Ultimate.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Word 2007 provides plenty of fax cover templates but still relies,
>> >> >> as
>> >> >> far
>> >> >> as i know, on the fax software of Vista Business, Enterprise and
>> >> >> Ultimate. It doesn't contain a fax application on its own.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> John Barnett MVP
>> >> >> Associate Expert
>> >> >> Windows Shell/User
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>> >> >> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> any
>> >> >> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>> >> >> accuracy,
>> >> >> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be
>> >> >> liable
>> >> >> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages
>> >> >> arising
>> >> >> out
>> >> >> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions
>> >> >> expressed
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> this mail/post..
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:uomt9OJQHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> >> >>> Will some form of FAXing and scanning be available in the Home
>> >> >>> Premium
>> >> >>> edition or only in the business edition.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I have need for both of these features but do not want the
>> >> >>> business
>> >> >>> edition.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Maybe they are available in the Office 2007 standard suite?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Thanks in advance. Bob.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>>

guys, please stop. I came to ask a question, perhaps find a solution from
another party and I get only attitude.

Is this a community area for regular windows users to ask questions and
hopefully get some decent advise or is this only for professional types who
follow software development? I haven't been following the development of
Vista for a year, nor do I feel that I have to. Microsoft has a long standing
goal of selling operating systems that everyone can use, and I believe I am
in the group of everyone. I am not whining.

Can you tell me where on the Vista box it says no fax? I also don't see it
on the side by side comparison that is designed to help people make a choice.
I'm not seeing it. Also, I upgraded from XP home and the problem is with
Vista not working with the fax software that worked with XP. I have a Dell
XPS--only five months old, but I'm sure a patch is forthcoming.


"bjr" wrote:

> You should have read the list of features in each version before you
> buy. That info has been available for about a year. The fax has NEVER
> been part of Premium, only Ultimate and Business.
> If fax software came with your modem, try installing that. Otherwise,
> stop whining and go buy some fax software. There are many to choose from.
>
> Susan wrote:
> > Russ, sorry I'm not as astute as you are. Your reply however, is not
> > helpful. A slap on the wrist might make some feel superior, but without any
> > concrete suggestions to add to the string, is nothing more than a slap on the
> > wrist, best to keep the chastising to yourself - it makes you sound smug.
> >
> > The bottom line is that the program is lacking a fundamental communications
> > tool and without user input the developers will not know what areas need to
> > be addressed and included in future service packs.
> >
> > "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
> >
> >> Normally when making a purchase one looks at the features needed and
> >> purchases the appropriate version to meet one's needs. This information is
> >> all well documented.
> >> You can still view your old faxes quite readily. TIF files open in Windows
> >> Photo Gallery.
> >> --
> >> Russ Valentine
> >> [MVP-Outlook]
> >> "Susan" <Susan DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:C732D82F-F76A-4AFC-A550-42AD677AA518@microsoft.com...
> >>> You have got to be kidding. I have vista home premium but I still need to
> >>> send and receive faxes!!!! I had this capability with XP, and I am very
> >>> upset
> >>> that it is not available with Vista which I just installed yesterday Feb
> >>> 3.
> >>> Does Microsoft believe that home users never receive or send faxes? What
> >>> are
> >>> my options? How am I to view the faxes I have saved in my documents? I
> >>> urgently need to have this capability on my computer and I am sure I am
> >>> not
> >>> alone in this need.
> >>>
> >>> "John Barnett MVP" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It's doubtful, Microsoft, as far as i know, haven't supplied the fax
> >>>> software as a separate item for other versions of Windows operating
> >>>> systems.
> >>>>
> >>>> You may have to look at third party fax applications for this one.
> >>>> Alternatively you would have to look to buying Vista Business or Ultimate
> >>>> instead of Premium.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> John Barnett MVP
> >>>> Associate Expert
> >>>> Windows Shell/User
> >>>>
> >>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
> >>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
> >>>>
> >>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
> >>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
> >>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
> >>>> for
> >>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of
> >>>> the
> >>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
> >>>> mail/post..
> >>>>
> >>>> "BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:OaA76LOQHHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >>>>> Thanks John. Do you suppose it might be available as a separate
> >>>>> download
> >>>>> sometime for the other versions of Vista?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit DeleteThis @mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:uwfTYoLQHHA.4992@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>> Fax facility is only available in Vista Business, Enterprise and
> >>>>>> Ultimate.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Word 2007 provides plenty of fax cover templates but still relies, as
> >>>>>> far
> >>>>>> as i know, on the fax software of Vista Business, Enterprise and
> >>>>>> Ultimate. It doesn't contain a fax application on its own.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> John Barnett MVP
> >>>>>> Associate Expert
> >>>>>> Windows Shell/User
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
> >>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
> >>>>>> any
> >>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
> >>>>>> accuracy,
> >>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be
> >>>>>> liable
> >>>>>> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising
> >>>>>> out
> >>>>>> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> this mail/post..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>> news:uomt9OJQHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >>>>>>> Will some form of FAXing and scanning be available in the Home
> >>>>>>> Premium
> >>>>>>> edition or only in the business edition.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have need for both of these features but do not want the business
> >>>>>>> edition.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Maybe they are available in the Office 2007 standard suite?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
>

It's detailed in the Windows Vista Product guide, which tells you
everything you ever wanted to know about Vista - a large but free
download from Microsoft.
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=bbc16ebf-4823...12-afe1
Here is the comparison we reference from CNET:
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3672_7-6687907-1.html
Note the 3rd entry in the table from the bottom.

Susan wrote:
> guys, please stop. I came to ask a question, perhaps find a solution from
> another party and I get only attitude.
>
> Is this a community area for regular windows users to ask questions and
> hopefully get some decent advise or is this only for professional types who
> follow software development? I haven't been following the development of
> Vista for a year, nor do I feel that I have to. Microsoft has a long standing
> goal of selling operating systems that everyone can use, and I believe I am
> in the group of everyone. I am not whining.
>
> Can you tell me where on the Vista box it says no fax? I also don't see it
> on the side by side comparison that is designed to help people make a choice.
> I'm not seeing it. Also, I upgraded from XP home and the problem is with
> Vista not working with the fax software that worked with XP. I have a Dell
> XPS--only five months old, but I'm sure a patch is forthcoming.
>
>
> "bjr" wrote:
>
>> You should have read the list of features in each version before you
>> buy. That info has been available for about a year. The fax has NEVER
>> been part of Premium, only Ultimate and Business.
>> If fax software came with your modem, try installing that. Otherwise,
>> stop whining and go buy some fax software. There are many to choose from.
>>
>> Susan wrote:
>>> Russ, sorry I'm not as astute as you are. Your reply however, is not
>>> helpful. A slap on the wrist might make some feel superior, but without any
>>> concrete suggestions to add to the string, is nothing more than a slap on the
>>> wrist, best to keep the chastising to yourself - it makes you sound smug.
>>>
>>> The bottom line is that the program is lacking a fundamental communications
>>> tool and without user input the developers will not know what areas need to
>>> be addressed and included in future service packs.
>>>
>>> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Normally when making a purchase one looks at the features needed and
>>>> purchases the appropriate version to meet one's needs. This information is
>>>> all well documented.
>>>> You can still view your old faxes quite readily. TIF files open in Windows
>>>> Photo Gallery.
>>>> --
>>>> Russ Valentine
>>>> [MVP-Outlook]
>>>> "Susan" <Susan RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:C732D82F-F76A-4AFC-A550-42AD677AA518@microsoft.com...
>>>>> You have got to be kidding. I have vista home premium but I still need to
>>>>> send and receive faxes!!!! I had this capability with XP, and I am very
>>>>> upset
>>>>> that it is not available with Vista which I just installed yesterday Feb
>>>>> 3.
>>>>> Does Microsoft believe that home users never receive or send faxes? What
>>>>> are
>>>>> my options? How am I to view the faxes I have saved in my documents? I
>>>>> urgently need to have this capability on my computer and I am sure I am
>>>>> not
>>>>> alone in this need.
>>>>>
>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's doubtful, Microsoft, as far as i know, haven't supplied the fax
>>>>>> software as a separate item for other versions of Windows operating
>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You may have to look at third party fax applications for this one.
>>>>>> Alternatively you would have to look to buying Vista Business or Ultimate
>>>>>> instead of Premium.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
>>>>>> mail/post..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:OaA76LOQHHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Thanks John. Do you suppose it might be available as a separate
>>>>>>> download
>>>>>>> sometime for the other versions of Vista?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit RemoveThis @mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:uwfTYoLQHHA.4992@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Fax facility is only available in Vista Business, Enterprise and
>>>>>>>> Ultimate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Word 2007 provides plenty of fax cover templates but still relies, as
>>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>> as i know, on the fax software of Vista Business, Enterprise and
>>>>>>>> Ultimate. It doesn't contain a fax application on its own.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>>>>>>> accuracy,
>>>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be
>>>>>>>> liable
>>>>>>>> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> this mail/post..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:uomt9OJQHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Will some form of FAXing and scanning be available in the Home
>>>>>>>>> Premium
>>>>>>>>> edition or only in the business edition.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have need for both of these features but do not want the business
>>>>>>>>> edition.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe they are available in the Office 2007 standard suite?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob.
>>>>>>>>>

I'm gonna have to side with Susan on this one. Lots of people here are
quick to point out that fax isn't included with the Home Premium edition by
pointing out the link, or say "you should have read the features before you
bought it" but likely these are the same people that didn't even know fax
was included in Windows XP and Windows 2000.

Even Bill Gates said most people are going to buy Home Premium...not
Business and not Ultimate. Its the average person that uses the built in
fax in Windows to send the occasional fax. By removing this, they are
pissing off a lot of Home Premium customers expecting that Windows Vista
Home Premium is going to do everything Windows XP did, only better.



"bjr" <bj-nospam.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:eaiFNKaSHHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> It's detailed in the Windows Vista Product guide, which tells you
> everything you ever wanted to know about Vista - a large but free download
> from Microsoft.
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=bbc16ebf-4823...12-afe1
> Here is the comparison we reference from CNET:
> http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3672_7-6687907-1.html
> Note the 3rd entry in the table from the bottom.
>
> Susan wrote:
>> guys, please stop. I came to ask a question, perhaps find a solution from
>> another party and I get only attitude. Is this a community area for
>> regular windows users to ask questions and hopefully get some decent
>> advise or is this only for professional types who follow software
>> development? I haven't been following the development of Vista for a
>> year, nor do I feel that I have to. Microsoft has a long standing goal of
>> selling operating systems that everyone can use, and I believe I am in
>> the group of everyone. I am not whining. Can you tell me where on the
>> Vista box it says no fax? I also don't see it on the side by side
>> comparison that is designed to help people make a choice. I'm not seeing
>> it. Also, I upgraded from XP home and the problem is with Vista not
>> working with the fax software that worked with XP. I have a Dell
>> XPS--only five months old, but I'm sure a patch is forthcoming. "bjr"
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You should have read the list of features in each version before you
>>> buy. That info has been available for about a year. The fax has NEVER
>>> been part of Premium, only Ultimate and Business.
>>> If fax software came with your modem, try installing that. Otherwise,
>>> stop whining and go buy some fax software. There are many to choose
>>> from.
>>>
>>> Susan wrote:
>>>> Russ, sorry I'm not as astute as you are. Your reply however, is not
>>>> helpful. A slap on the wrist might make some feel superior, but without
>>>> any concrete suggestions to add to the string, is nothing more than a
>>>> slap on the wrist, best to keep the chastising to yourself - it makes
>>>> you sound smug.
>>>> The bottom line is that the program is lacking a fundamental
>>>> communications tool and without user input the developers will not know
>>>> what areas need to be addressed and included in future service packs.
>>>> "Russ Valentine [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Normally when making a purchase one looks at the features needed and
>>>>> purchases the appropriate version to meet one's needs. This
>>>>> information is all well documented.
>>>>> You can still view your old faxes quite readily. TIF files open in
>>>>> Windows Photo Gallery.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Russ Valentine
>>>>> [MVP-Outlook]
>>>>> "Susan" <Susan.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:C732D82F-F76A-4AFC-A550-42AD677AA518@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> You have got to be kidding. I have vista home premium but I still
>>>>>> need to
>>>>>> send and receive faxes!!!! I had this capability with XP, and I am
>>>>>> very upset
>>>>>> that it is not available with Vista which I just installed yesterday
>>>>>> Feb 3.
>>>>>> Does Microsoft believe that home users never receive or send faxes?
>>>>>> What are
>>>>>> my options? How am I to view the faxes I have saved in my documents?
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> urgently need to have this capability on my computer and I am sure I
>>>>>> am not
>>>>>> alone in this need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's doubtful, Microsoft, as far as i know, haven't supplied the fax
>>>>>>> software as a separate item for other versions of Windows operating
>>>>>>> systems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You may have to look at third party fax applications for this one.
>>>>>>> Alternatively you would have to look to buying Vista Business or
>>>>>>> Ultimate
>>>>>>> instead of Premium.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty
>>>>>>> of any
>>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>>>>>> accuracy,
>>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be
>>>>>>> liable for
>>>>>>> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising
>>>>>>> out of the
>>>>>>> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> mail/post..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:OaA76LOQHHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Thanks John. Do you suppose it might be available as a separate
>>>>>>>> download
>>>>>>>> sometime for the other versions of Vista?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelanceit.RemoveThis@mvps.org.NOSPAM> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:uwfTYoLQHHA.4992@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Fax facility is only available in Vista Business, Enterprise and
>>>>>>>>> Ultimate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Word 2007 provides plenty of fax cover templates but still relies,
>>>>>>>>> as far
>>>>>>>>> as i know, on the fax software of Vista Business, Enterprise and
>>>>>>>>> Ultimate. It doesn't contain a fax application on its own.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>>>>>>> Associate Expert
>>>>>>>>> Windows Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Web: http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>> Web: http://vistasupport.mvps.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty
>>>>>>>>> of any
>>>>>>>>> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the
>>>>>>>>> accuracy,
>>>>>>>>> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be
>>>>>>>>> liable
>>>>>>>>> for any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages
>>>>>>>>> arising out
>>>>>>>>> of the use of, or inability to use, information or opinions
>>>>>>>>> expressed in
>>>>>>>>> this mail/post..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "BoB Brazie" <?bbrazie@knowledge1.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:uomt9OJQHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> Will some form of FAXing and scanning be available in the Home
>>>>>>>>>> Premium
>>>>>>>>>> edition or only in the business edition.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have need for both of these features but do not want the
>>>>>>>>>> business
>>>>>>>>>> edition.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe they are available in the Office 2007 standard suite?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance. Bob.
>>>>>>>>>>

Your comments about 'likely these people are the same people that didn't
even know that fax features was included in Windows XP and Windows 2000'
are incorrect as far as they relate to Russ and me. Russ has been a fax
guru for many years. I only have 45 years in the computer business and
over 12 years spending many hours testing Microsoft Operating systems so
that people like you have a decent experience when you get a new version.
Did you know that Microsoft did NOT have faxing in ME also.

If I am going to spend $160 on an OS, I would go looking for the
features it will have and check out whether it will support my needs
BEFORE I spend money on it. The point being made is that the detailed
features of the various versions have been available on various web
sites for over a year. All you have to do is 'google' to see them. You
can also ask the question about a feature in a news group BEFORE you buy
a product, not bitch about the lack of a feature after you buy a product.


G wrote:
> I'm gonna have to side with Susan on this one. Lots of people here are
> quick to point out that fax isn't included with the Home Premium edition by
> pointing out the link, or say "you should have read the features before you
> bought it" but likely these are the same people that didn't even know fax
> was included in Windows XP and Windows 2000.
>
> Even Bill Gates said most people are