User Account Control, Security

"CJ Rom" <CJ Rom.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>I am the only user of my computer - do I really need UAC enabled?
> With Windows Defender and firewall protection do I really need third-party
> antivirus and firewall?

I may be committing a "mortal sin" according to many other users, but I
haven't used any antivirus product on my XP and Vista PCs since I got them!
I don't click on email attachments, I only download files from known,
reputable web sites (CNet, MS, etc), and I don't go to web sites that might
be problematic. Vista Defender is a good product and I do an online virus
scan every week or so (from Symantec). I run Spybot and AdAware. The
result is that both systems run fast and smooth. AND............. I always
download Windows Updates when they arrive.

EW

"CJ Rom" <CJ Rom DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:065E3A8A-57C0-4A9D-9D28-ABA583191B32@microsoft.com...
>I am the only user of my computer - do I really need UAC enabled?

Not if you're confident that you know what you're doing.


> With Windows Defender and firewall protection do I really need third-party
> antivirus and firewall?

Most definitely on the anti-virus, as Windows Defender has no anti-virus
capability. I'd also suggest using 3rd-party AntiSpyware applications, as
Windows Defender really isn't "ready for prime time," yet. Same for the
firewall.


--
Bruce Chambers

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Jesper wrote:
>> I am the only user of my computer - do I really need UAC enabled?
>
> Yes. It has nothing to do with protecting you from other users on your
> computer. It is about ensuring that you do not have to be an administrator
> all the time. When you run as an admin the slightest misclick can spell
> disaster.

Or no misclick.
Your software might contain a vulnerability which can be attacked. If
it's not running as an administrator, you don't have serious problems.

Alun Harford

"LoneStar" <ewyatt_del_me.TakeThisOut@excite.com> wrote in message
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> I may be committing a "mortal sin" according to many other users, but I
> haven't used any antivirus product on my XP and Vista PCs since I got
> them!

To be honest, I have often run without antivirus and been problem-free
myself, however that would be very poor advice to give out to others who
from the fact they're asking about basic things are clearly not going to be
in the same position of awareness to judge risks for themselves properly.

> I don't click on email attachments, I only download files from known,
> reputable web sites (CNet, MS, etc), and I don't go to web sites that
> might be problematic.

It's worth pointing out that the thing about trusted sites is that you trust
them not to *intentionally* send you infected downloads. Same with email
attatchments from friends (I assume you'll concede that while you don't have
to open these apparently, you are not the entire world and some of us *do*
have to open some sometimes).

You can trust someone not to hurt you intentionally, and that trust might be
very well placed, but even the best have accidents and bad days. Microsoft
have offered virus infected documents for download before now, for example.

--
Robert Moir
http://www.rhymeswithgeek.com

I'm Sorry but I can't find where to post a question but this is related to
user account. I have had 3 user accounts for some time now but suddenly when
I click on switch user nothing happens. when I use short cut 'windows+L'
I get this message Computer is in use and has been locked. User name is ok
Then it asks for password but doesn't accept any. When I "restart" and get
back to main page I click on a different user account and it works

"Robert Moir" wrote:

>
> "LoneStar" <ewyatt_del_me.RemoveThis@excite.com> wrote in message
> news:461fee66$0$97253$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>
> > I may be committing a "mortal sin" according to many other users, but I
> > haven't used any antivirus product on my XP and Vista PCs since I got
> > them!
>
> To be honest, I have often run without antivirus and been problem-free
> myself, however that would be very poor advice to give out to others who
> from the fact they're asking about basic things are clearly not going to be
> in the same position of awareness to judge risks for themselves properly.
>
> > I don't click on email attachments, I only download files from known,
> > reputable web sites (CNet, MS, etc), and I don't go to web sites that
> > might be problematic.
>
> It's worth pointing out that the thing about trusted sites is that you trust
> them not to *intentionally* send you infected downloads. Same with email
> attatchments from friends (I assume you'll concede that while you don't have
> to open these apparently, you are not the entire world and some of us *do*
> have to open some sometimes).
>
> You can trust someone not to hurt you intentionally, and that trust might be
> very well placed, but even the best have accidents and bad days. Microsoft
> have offered virus infected documents for download before now, for example.
>
> --
> Robert Moir
> http://www.rhymeswithgeek.com
>
>
>

<grin>

Did you know that even Microsoft pushed out an update a few years back that
contained a virus.

How about the Symantec antivirus update that contained a trojan (about a
year ago).

You just "think" you are safe.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"LoneStar" <ewyatt_del_me DeleteThis @excite.com> wrote in message
news:461fee66$0$97253$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>
> "CJ Rom" <CJ Rom DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:065E3A8A-57C0-4A9D-9D28-ABA583191B32@microsoft.com...
>>I am the only user of my computer - do I really need UAC enabled?
>> With Windows Defender and firewall protection do I really need
>> third-party
>> antivirus and firewall?
>
> I may be committing a "mortal sin" according to many other users, but I
> haven't used any antivirus product on my XP and Vista PCs since I got
> them! I don't click on email attachments, I only download files from
> known, reputable web sites (CNet, MS, etc), and I don't go to web sites
> that might be problematic. Vista Defender is a good product and I do an
> online virus scan every week or so (from Symantec). I run Spybot and
> AdAware. The result is that both systems run fast and smooth.
> AND............. I always download Windows Updates when they arrive.
>
> EW
>
>

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"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23FHtb$lfHHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> <grin>
>
> Did you know that even Microsoft pushed out an update a few years back
> that contained a virus.
>
> How about the Symantec antivirus update that contained a trojan (about a
> year ago).
>
> You just "think" you are safe.
>

You're correct, and I should probably talk myself into installing AVAST, or
something like it. However, I've read many times that none of the AV
programs can catch ALL "in the field" viruses and only a minority of
zero-day types, heuristics used or not. But the odds are better with an AV
app running -- and slowing the system down, etc. However, in any case, I
will NEVER use anything made by Symantec (Norton)!!! Ever. I once did and
it still haunts my XP registry despite many attempts to uninstall it, even
with Symantec's own cleaning tools.

EW

Symantec/Norton and McAfee act very much like a virus in that they can never
be completely removed. Same goes for AOHell.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!

"LoneStar" <ewyatt_del_me DeleteThis @excite.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23FHtb$lfHHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> <grin>
>>
>> Did you know that even Microsoft pushed out an update a few years back
>> that contained a virus.
>>
>> How about the Symantec antivirus update that contained a trojan (about a
>> year ago).
>>
>> You just "think" you are safe.
>>
>
> You're correct, and I should probably talk myself into installing AVAST,
> or something like it. However, I've read many times that none of the AV
> programs can catch ALL "in the field" viruses and only a minority of
> zero-day types, heuristics used or not. But the odds are better with an
> AV app running -- and slowing the system down, etc. However, in any case,
> I will NEVER use anything made by Symantec (Norton)!!! Ever. I once did
> and it still haunts my XP registry despite many attempts to uninstall it,
> even with Symantec's own cleaning tools.
>
> EW
>
>

Please, How do I post a new question. I click new then question but there is
no where to write. I did this by clicking reply

"CJ Rom" wrote:

> I am the only user of my computer - do I really need UAC enabled?
> With Windows Defender and firewall protection do I really need third-party
> antivirus and firewall?

"oisky" <oisky.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote
> Please, How do I post a new question. I click new then question but there
> is
> no where to write. I did this by clicking reply

<snip>

Don't use the awful web interface to access what are actually Usenet
newsgroups. If you are posting from Vista, use Windows Mail to access these
newsgroups directly under Microsoft Communities. If using XP Outlook
Express can be configured for newsgroup access. Here is a link on how to do
that.
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

The setup is similar for OE and Windows Mail.

Another option is to use Google Groups:
http://groups.google.com/grphp?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&tab=wg&q=

Here is a list of Vista newsgroups:
microsoft.public.windows.vista.administration_accounts_password
microsoft.public.windows.vista.file_management
microsoft.public.windows.vista.games
microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
microsoft.public.windows.vista.hardware_devices
microsoft.public.windows.vista.installation_setup
microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail
microsoft.public.windows.vista.music_pictures_video
microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
microsoft.public.windows.vista.performance_maintenance
microsoft.public.windows.vista.print_fax_scan
microsoft.public.windows.vista.security

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

"oisky" wrote:

> Please, How do I post a new question. I click new then question but there is
> no where to write. I did this by clicking reply
>
> "CJ Rom" wrote:
>
> > I am the only user of my computer - do I really need UAC enabled?
> > With Windows Defender and firewall protection do I really need third-party
> > antivirus and firewall?

I have three user accounts. everything has been fine for twelve months.
Suddenly, when I click on switch user, nothing happens. I click on window
plus L and get a message saying
"
> , This computer has been locked. Only adminitratore can unlock.

Type name- ----------------
Password What password. I have tried this but nothing happens
Can anyone please help me

Just recently, after I got my system set up and running stable. I was surfing
on the net and some website tried to install some kind of ActiveX control
that I didn't need or want. UAC picked up on it and warned me to either
accept it or deny it access and I denied it and when I had a friend go to the
same site, it was a virus. So it does help.

"CJ Rom" wrote:

> I am the only user of my computer - do I really need UAC enabled?
> With Windows Defender and firewall protection do I really need third-party
> antivirus and firewall?

AVast picks up on a few trojans that Norton doesn't and a few other viruses
that norton doesn't until you perform a complete system scan in norton that
is. AVast warns me before the file even opens up. Don't ask me, just every so
often when I was using XP, AVast caught websites that contained a trojan on
it or had at least some code that was of questionable origin.

"LoneStar" wrote:

>
> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23FHtb$lfHHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> > <grin>
> >
> > Did you know that even Microsoft pushed out an update a few years back
> > that contained a virus.
> >
> > How about the Symantec antivirus update that contained a trojan (about a
> > year ago).
> >
> > You just "think" you are safe.
> >
>
> You're correct, and I should probably talk myself into installing AVAST, or
> something like it. However, I've read many times that none of the AV
> programs can catch ALL "in the field" viruses and only a minority of
> zero-day types, heuristics used or not. But the odds are better with an AV
> app running -- and slowing the system down, etc. However, in any case, I
> will NEVER use anything made by Symantec (Norton)!!! Ever. I once did and
> it still haunts my XP registry despite many attempts to uninstall it, even
> with Symantec's own cleaning tools.
>
> EW
>
>
>

"Sasha" <Sasha.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:349003D0-8DF6-4B03-9AEA-8FE528BF6445@microsoft.com...
> AVast picks up on a few trojans that Norton doesn't and a few other
> viruses
> that norton doesn't until you perform a complete system scan in norton
> that
> is. AVast warns me before the file even opens up. Don't ask me, just every
> so
> often when I was using XP, AVast caught websites that contained a trojan
> on
> it or had at least some code that was of questionable origin.


And Avast doesn't screw up the computer and Windows Mail like Norton and
McAfee do.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
http://www.fjsmjs.com

At least a virus can be completely removed; unlike Norton, which wants to let
Symantec keep their hand in your wallet

"Richard Urban" wrote:

> Symantec/Norton and McAfee act very much like a virus in that they can never
> be completely removed. Same goes for AOHell.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
> "LoneStar" <ewyatt_del_me DeleteThis @excite.com> wrote in message
> news:4623f2fa$0$97247$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
> >
> > "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23FHtb$lfHHA.3648@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >> <grin>
> >>
> >> Did you know that even Microsoft pushed out an update a few years back
> >> that contained a virus.
> >>
> >> How about the Symantec antivirus update that contained a trojan (about a
> >> year ago).
> >>
> >> You just "think" you are safe.
> >>
> >
> > You're correct, and I should probably talk myself into installing AVAST,
> > or something like it. However, I've read many times that none of the AV
> > programs can catch ALL "in the field" viruses and only a minority of
> > zero-day types, heuristics used or not. But the odds are better with an
> > AV app running -- and slowing the system down, etc. However, in any case,
> > I will NEVER use anything made by Symantec (Norton)!!! Ever. I once did
> > and it still haunts my XP registry despite many attempts to uninstall it,
> > even with Symantec's own cleaning tools.
> >
> > EW
> >
> >
>
>

"Sasha" <Sasha RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:799FB7E8-C916-4E4A-8584-A44C0EE3FB6B@microsoft.com...
> Just recently, after I got my system set up and running stable. I was
> surfing
> on the net and some website tried to install some kind of ActiveX control
> that I didn't need or want.

i doubt ou'd have known about that bad ax if you were usig ff or opera or
mac browser,etc.

if ou search the web, you might find a bookmarklet that allows you to [with
a click] report suspected nasty websites.



siteadvisor? (a mcaffee effort)
http://www.google.com/search?&q=report++bookmarklet+siteadvisor+

http://informationgift.com/2006/04/reputation_management_siteadvi.html

javascript:(function(){win=open('','','resizable,scrollbars');with(win.document.location='http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/'+self.location.hostname);})()

[but it's unresponsive in bonecho 2004pre]



further up this thread someone said avast found a trojan, but ime there's a
good chance that was a false positive.



>UAC picked up on it and warned me to either
> accept it or deny it access and I denied it and when I had a friend go to
> the
> same site, it was a virus. So it does help.
>
> "CJ Rom" wrote:
>
>> I am the only user of my computer - do I really need UAC enabled?
>> With Windows Defender and firewall protection do I really need
>> third-party
>> antivirus and firewall?

going to post UAC post soon, maybe, aaaAAAARRRRGGGGgggg. it and similar
popups are blocking *too many* deliberate actions. [such as pasting a
no-install app, either in zip or in extracted state.]