Network Mapped Drive : Lost Network Connection

"Ian Robert" <Ian-586-dex DeleteThis @noemail.postalias> wrote in message
news:F9832501-A32A-46E1-BB96-506BD825F060@microsoft.com...
> Hi,
>
> A vista laptop has a mapped drive to a SBS2003 server.
> The laptop is able to browse the share and open files, permissions on the
> share a full control.
> However, the vista laptop cannot edit documents directly in word or excel
> 2007.
> An error saying the file has not been saved or in word that the file has
> not
> been saved probably due to a network problem appears. If I open a blank
> document in word or excel and then attempt to save it directly to the
> network
> share, the file is created but no information is stored in it before the
> error that it could not be saved is displayed.
>
> A file can be saved to the desktop of the vista laptop and dragged to the
> mapped drive to store it...but this isn't really ideal.
>
> Assistance would be appreciated as I've never seen this kind of problem
> before.
>


Do you use CA antivirus? There is an option there to protect network drives.
This is known to cause this problem.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca

Hello Ian,

Thank you for using newsgroup!

Thanks for Kerry Brown's notification. Based on your situation, if the
problem only occurs on Windows Vista machines, please first apply the
following article update to see if it can help:

926505: Windows Small Business Server 2003: Vista and Outlook 2007
compatibility update
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926505/en-us

Thanks & Regards,

Ken Zhao

Microsoft Online Support
Microsoft Global Technical Support Center

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|
| Forgot to mention, Everything works fine from same user using Windows XP
| machine and other XP machines. Just a Vista problem.
|
| Thanks
|
| Ian
|
|
| "Ian Robert" wrote:
|
| > Hi,
| >
| > A vista laptop has a mapped drive to a SBS2003 server.
| > The laptop is able to browse the share and open files, permissions on
the
| > share a full control.
| > However, the vista laptop cannot edit documents directly in word or
excel
| > 2007.
| > An error saying the file has not been saved or in word that the file
has not
| > been saved probably due to a network problem appears. If I open a
blank
| > document in word or excel and then attempt to save it directly to the
network
| > share, the file is created but no information is stored in it before
the
| > error that it could not be saved is displayed.
| >
| > A file can be saved to the desktop of the vista laptop and dragged to
the
| > mapped drive to store it...but this isn't really ideal.
| >
| > Assistance would be appreciated as I've never seen this kind of problem
| > before.
| >
| > Thanks
| >
| > Ian
| >
|

Hi Kerry,

No not using CA Antivirus.

Ian


"Kerry Brown" wrote:

> "Ian Robert" <Ian-586-dex.DeleteThis@noemail.postalias> wrote in message
> news:F9832501-A32A-46E1-BB96-506BD825F060@microsoft.com...
> > Hi,
> >
> > A vista laptop has a mapped drive to a SBS2003 server.
> > The laptop is able to browse the share and open files, permissions on the
> > share a full control.
> > However, the vista laptop cannot edit documents directly in word or excel
> > 2007.
> > An error saying the file has not been saved or in word that the file has
> > not
> > been saved probably due to a network problem appears. If I open a blank
> > document in word or excel and then attempt to save it directly to the
> > network
> > share, the file is created but no information is stored in it before the
> > error that it could not be saved is displayed.
> >
> > A file can be saved to the desktop of the vista laptop and dragged to the
> > mapped drive to store it...but this isn't really ideal.
> >
> > Assistance would be appreciated as I've never seen this kind of problem
> > before.
> >
>
>
> Do you use CA antivirus? There is an option there to protect network drives.
> This is known to cause this problem.
>
> --
> Kerry Brown
> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> http://www.vistahelp.ca
>
>

Hi Ian,

I am just writing to see how everything is going. If you have any updates
or need any further assistance on this issue, please feel free to let me
know.

Thanks & Regards,

Ken Zhao

Microsoft Online Support
Microsoft Global Technical Support Center

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| Hello Ian,
|
| Thank you for using newsgroup!
|
| Thanks for Kerry Brown's notification. Based on your situation, if the
| problem only occurs on Windows Vista machines, please first apply the
| following article update to see if it can help:
|
| 926505: Windows Small Business Server 2003: Vista and Outlook 2007
| compatibility update
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926505/en-us
|
| Thanks & Regards,
|
| Ken Zhao
|
| Microsoft Online Support
| Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
|
| Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
<http://www.microsoft.com/security>
| ====================================================
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| |
| | Forgot to mention, Everything works fine from same user using Windows
XP
| | machine and other XP machines. Just a Vista problem.
| |
| | Thanks
| |
| | Ian
| |
| |
| | "Ian Robert" wrote:
| |
| | > Hi,
| | >
| | > A vista laptop has a mapped drive to a SBS2003 server.
| | > The laptop is able to browse the share and open files, permissions on
| the
| | > share a full control.
| | > However, the vista laptop cannot edit documents directly in word or
| excel
| | > 2007.
| | > An error saying the file has not been saved or in word that the file
| has not
| | > been saved probably due to a network problem appears. If I open a
| blank
| | > document in word or excel and then attempt to save it directly to the
| network
| | > share, the file is created but no information is stored in it before
| the
| | > error that it could not be saved is displayed.
| | >
| | > A file can be saved to the desktop of the vista laptop and dragged to
| the
| | > mapped drive to store it...but this isn't really ideal.
| | >
| | > Assistance would be appreciated as I've never seen this kind of
problem
| | > before.
| | >
| | > Thanks
| | >
| | > Ian
| | >
| |
|
|

Hi Ken,

Yes this patch was already applied to the SBS 2003 server. Outlook is
working fine. It's the network sharing which isn't working.

Thanks

Ian

""Ken Zhao [MSFT]"" wrote:

> Hi Ian,
>
> I am just writing to see how everything is going. If you have any updates
> or need any further assistance on this issue, please feel free to let me
> know.
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Ken Zhao
>
> Microsoft Online Support
> Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
>
> Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security <http://www.microsoft.com/security>
> ====================================================
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> that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
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> |
> | Hello Ian,
> |
> | Thank you for using newsgroup!
> |
> | Thanks for Kerry Brown's notification. Based on your situation, if the
> | problem only occurs on Windows Vista machines, please first apply the
> | following article update to see if it can help:
> |
> | 926505: Windows Small Business Server 2003: Vista and Outlook 2007
> | compatibility update
> | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926505/en-us
> |
> | Thanks & Regards,
> |
> | Ken Zhao
> |
> | Microsoft Online Support
> | Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
> |
> | Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
> <http://www.microsoft.com/security>
> | ====================================================
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> | |
> | | Forgot to mention, Everything works fine from same user using Windows
> XP
> | | machine and other XP machines. Just a Vista problem.
> | |
> | | Thanks
> | |
> | | Ian
> | |
> | |
> | | "Ian Robert" wrote:
> | |
> | | > Hi,
> | | >
> | | > A vista laptop has a mapped drive to a SBS2003 server.
> | | > The laptop is able to browse the share and open files, permissions on
> | the
> | | > share a full control.
> | | > However, the vista laptop cannot edit documents directly in word or
> | excel
> | | > 2007.
> | | > An error saying the file has not been saved or in word that the file
> | has not
> | | > been saved probably due to a network problem appears. If I open a
> | blank
> | | > document in word or excel and then attempt to save it directly to the
> | network
> | | > share, the file is created but no information is stored in it before
> | the
> | | > error that it could not be saved is displayed.
> | | >
> | | > A file can be saved to the desktop of the vista laptop and dragged to
> | the
> | | > mapped drive to store it...but this isn't really ideal.
> | | >
> | | > Assistance would be appreciated as I've never seen this kind of
> problem
> | | > before.
> | | >
> | | > Thanks
> | | >
> | | > Ian
> | | >
> | |
> |
> |
>
>

Hi Ian,

You may use msconfig to see if the issue also happens in Clean Boot mode.

How to troubleshoot a problem by performing a clean boot in Windows Vista
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929135/en-us

Thanks & Regards,

Ken Zhao

Microsoft Online Support
Microsoft Global Technical Support Center

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| Hi Ken,
|
| Yes this patch was already applied to the SBS 2003 server. Outlook is
| working fine. It's the network sharing which isn't working.
|
| Thanks
|
| Ian
|
| ""Ken Zhao [MSFT]"" wrote:
|
| > Hi Ian,
| >
| > I am just writing to see how everything is going. If you have any
updates
| > or need any further assistance on this issue, please feel free to let
me
| > know.
| >
| > Thanks & Regards,
| >
| > Ken Zhao
| >
| > Microsoft Online Support
| > Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
| >
| > Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
<http://www.microsoft.com/security>
| > ====================================================
| > When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader
so
| > that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
| > ====================================================
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| > | NNTP-Posting-Host: TOMCATIMPORT1 10.201.218.122
| > |
| > | Hello Ian,
| > |
| > | Thank you for using newsgroup!
| > |
| > | Thanks for Kerry Brown's notification. Based on your situation, if
the
| > | problem only occurs on Windows Vista machines, please first apply the
| > | following article update to see if it can help:
| > |
| > | 926505: Windows Small Business Server 2003: Vista and Outlook 2007
| > | compatibility update
| > | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926505/en-us
| > |
| > | Thanks & Regards,
| > |
| > | Ken Zhao
| > |
| > | Microsoft Online Support
| > | Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
| > |
| > | Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
| > <http://www.microsoft.com/security>
| > | ====================================================
| > | When responding to posts, please "Reply to Group" via your newsreader
so
| > | that others may learn and benefit from your issue.
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| > |
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| > | | X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.vista.networking_sharing
| > | |
| > | | Forgot to mention, Everything works fine from same user using
Windows
| > XP
| > | | machine and other XP machines. Just a Vista problem.
| > | |
| > | | Thanks
| > | |
| > | | Ian
| > | |
| > | |
| > | | "Ian Robert" wrote:
| > | |
| > | | > Hi,
| > | | >
| > | | > A vista laptop has a mapped drive to a SBS2003 server.
| > | | > The laptop is able to browse the share and open files,
permissions on
| > | the
| > | | > share a full control.
| > | | > However, the vista laptop cannot edit documents directly in word
or
| > | excel
| > | | > 2007.
| > | | > An error saying the file has not been saved or in word that the
file
| > | has not
| > | | > been saved probably due to a network problem appears. If I open
a
| > | blank
| > | | > document in word or excel and then attempt to save it directly to
the
| > | network
| > | | > share, the file is created but no information is stored in it
before
| > | the
| > | | > error that it could not be saved is displayed.
| > | | >
| > | | > A file can be saved to the desktop of the vista laptop and
dragged to
| > | the
| > | | > mapped drive to store it...but this isn't really ideal.
| > | | >
| > | | > Assistance would be appreciated as I've never seen this kind of
| > problem
| > | | > before.
| > | | >
| > | | > Thanks
| > | | >
| > | | > Ian
| > | | >
| > | |
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|