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Vi
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:52 pm    Post subject: AVG vs Norton
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Any thoughts?..... I have Norton now and find it very easy to use and of
course, it is anything but free. However, I have read so much about Free
AVG, I wonder if I am just wasting money by renewing Norton when it
expires?..... I know a lot of people hate Norton and McAfee (I happen to
hate McAfee) but Norton has been good (so far)...
...... Vi
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Sanjaya
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:08 pm    Post subject: Re: AVG vs Norton [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Vi" wrote in message
> Any thoughts?..... I have Norton now and find it very easy to use and of course, it is anything
> but free. However, I have read so much about Free AVG, I wonder if I am just wasting money by
> renewing Norton when it expires?..... I know a lot of people hate Norton and McAfee (I happen to
> hate McAfee) but Norton has been good (so far)...
> ..... Vi
>
>

Excellent question on a subject never covered in this group before.
Geez.
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Vi
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: AVG vs Norton [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Sanjaya" wrote in message

>
> "Vi" wrote in message
>
>> Any thoughts?..... I have Norton now and find it very easy to use and of
>> course, it is anything but free. However, I have read so much about Free
>> AVG, I wonder if I am just wasting money by renewing Norton when it
>> expires?..... I know a lot of people hate Norton and McAfee (I happen to
>> hate McAfee) but Norton has been good (so far)...
>> ..... Vi
>>
>>
>
> Excellent question on a subject never covered in this group before.
> Geez.
Give me a break.... I just signed on to your group...... Sorry if I offended
you ..... OK, I'll just read through all of the posts that cover it..... I
should have done that first I totally agree..... Very friendly response
though.... thank you for the wake up call ...
...... Vi
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Vi
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:54 pm    Post subject: Re: AVG vs Norton [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Leythos" wrote in message

> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:23:07 +0000, Sanjaya wrote:
>
>> "Vi" wrote in message
>>
>>> Any thoughts?..... I have Norton now and find it very easy to use and
>>> of course, it is anything but free. However, I have read so much about
>>> Free AVG, I wonder if I am just wasting money by renewing Norton when
>>> it expires?..... I know a lot of people hate Norton and McAfee (I
>>> happen to hate McAfee) but Norton has been good (so far)... ..... Vi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Excellent question on a subject never covered in this group before.
>> Geez.
>
> LOL - in my experience AVG is the last option in AV fighting. I've seen it
> installed, fully updated, updating daily, and people are still compromised
> by new viruses that are only days old. The people using Norton or Symantec
> didn't experience any of those issues during the same three year period.
>
>
> --
> Leythos
> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)



Thanks.... I appreciate your reply. Norton *has been good to me... . but
it is amazing how many people in the Windows XP newsgroup seem to be really
sold on AVG..(not all, but a lot)
...... Vi.
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Bud
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 10:54 pm    Post subject: Re: AVG vs Norton [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> Give me a break.... I just signed on to your group......

Don't sweat it. No insult intended I'm sure. Most of the guys (and gals)
post tongue-in-cheek anyway so welcome to the crowd.
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Vi
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:41 am    Post subject: Re: AVG vs Norton [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Bud" wrote in message

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>> Give me a break.... I just signed on to your group......
>
> Don't sweat it. No insult intended I'm sure. Most of the guys (and gals)
> post tongue-in-cheek anyway so welcome to the crowd.



Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. I just hate doing dumb things and he's
right.... I should have scanned the subjects more carefully. I'm sure I can
learn a lot from the group..... Having a computer is an ongoing learning
experience (for me at least) .... There is always something I manage to get
into because of my curiosity and sometimes it works out OK and sometimes I
wind up having to reformat which is not a joy to anyone I am sure of that.
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Dave Cohen
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:04 am    Post subject: Re: AVG vs Norton [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Vi wrote:
> Any thoughts?..... I have Norton now and find it very easy to use and of
> course, it is anything but free. However, I have read so much about Free
> AVG, I wonder if I am just wasting money by renewing Norton when it
> expires?..... I know a lot of people hate Norton and McAfee (I happen to
> hate McAfee) but Norton has been good (so far)...
> ..... Vi
>
>

I use Avast. It's free, probably isn't the very best but I like it and
wouldn't expect any product to unconditionally protect if the user fails
to observe reasonable caution.
Norton came pre-installed and I renewed for one year. I've no reason to
question it's ability to protect, but it's bloated and I suspect is more
oriented to corporate users, who seem to be more vulnerable to attack
anyway due to their large base of don't much care about such things users.
Antivir is very good, but due to a little hickup when used with Zone
Alarm I opt for Avast.
Dave Cohen
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Sanjaya
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:02 am    Post subject: Re: AVG vs Norton [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Vi" wrote >

> Give me a break.... I just signed on to your group...... Sorry if I offended you ..... OK, I'll
> just read through all of the posts that cover it..... I should have done that first I totally
> agree..... Very friendly response though.... thank you for the wake up call ...
> ..... Vi
>
>

No offense intended. Welcome to a.c.a., and by the looks of your email addy
we have something in common besides computers.

btw, I've used AVG free for years with nary a problem, but I am *very* careful
about surfing habits and no one else uses my computer.
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Potblak
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: AVG vs Norton [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Vi" wrote in message

> Any thoughts?..... I have Norton now and find it very easy to use and of
> course, it is anything but free. However, I have read so much about Free
> AVG, I wonder if I am just wasting money by renewing Norton when it
> expires?..... I know a lot of people hate Norton and McAfee (I happen to
> hate McAfee) but Norton has been good (so far)...
> ..... Vi
>

I've used AVG for years now. both the free version and the professional one.

I like it because it may not stop everything but it DOES detect everything;

And its NOT going to take up half your resources like Norton or McAfee etc.

Plus, when you don't want it anymore, its a simple uninstall and its gone.

And yes, I'm careful, and don't use the email scanner because my email
client is Notes, so I don't need it.
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Vi
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: AVG vs Norton [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Sanjaya" wrote in message

>
> "Vi" wrote >
>
>> Give me a break.... I just signed on to your group...... Sorry if I
>> offended you ..... OK, I'll just read through all of the posts that cover
>> it..... I should have done that first I totally agree..... Very friendly
>> response though.... thank you for the wake up call ...
>> ..... Vi
>>
>>
>
> No offense intended. Welcome to a.c.a., and by the looks of your email
> addy
> we have something in common besides computers.
>
> btw, I've used AVG free for years with nary a problem, but I am *very*
> careful
> about surfing habits and no one else uses my computer.
>

No offense taken... and thanks for the welcome. From what I've been reading
<G>, there is a lot to learn in this group, and by the way, it's the Red Sox
that I am a fan of, just to narrow it down a little..... The original
"heartbreak kids".... up until a couple of years ago that is..... And I am
also very careful about surfing but I do a lot of it and no one else uses my
computer either so any messes or trouble I manage to get myself into, is
strictly my own doing.... thanks again.....
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Virus Guy
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:07 pm    Post subject: Re: AVG vs Norton [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Vi wrote:

> I have Norton now and find it very easy to use and of course,
> it is anything but free.

If you can locate an older version of Norton (NAV), say NAV 2001 or
2002 (it was also available as part of Norton System Works (NSW) 2001
and 2002) then use that. NAV 2002 is fully compatible with XP.

The older versions of NAV, once installed, will update themselves to
the latest scan engine and virus definition files avaliable from
Symantec, and you will have 1 year of free updates before the product
will ask that you pay for another year. At which point you can
un-install and re-install the product and get another year's worth of
free updates.

Symantec made it harder to pull this trick for newer versions of NAV.
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Virus Guy
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: AVG vs Norton [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Potblak wrote:

> ... and its NOT going to take up half your resources like Norton

The older versions of NAV (like 2001 and 2002) take up very little in
the way of system resources, and as I've stated before, those older
versions of NAV will update themselves with the most current scan
engine and virus definition files from Symantec.
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piero



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:41 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

I'm a fan of Norton since 2001. I know it takes up many pc resources.
But the quaility is just awesome!

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Albon



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:02 am    Post subject: Re: AVG vs Norton [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Norton Mc Afee - puppies
AVG - Maximum Security Fortress with Neuclear Deterrant

slingshot vs tomahawk cruise missile

paper vs 10 inch military armour

get it
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:23 pm    Post subject: Read my sig line [Login to view extended thread Info.]

All I can say is that you're obviously NOT a computer security specialist, but living blindly in the past.

That's not a put-down, just an observation. (no insult intended)

I regularly remove Norton from customers PC's to get them cleaned up and running at peak performance. Often it flatly refuses to uninstall itself so I have to resort to the Norton Removal Too. (see my signature line)

Then I install AVG 7.5 FREE, Anti-Virus , and do a scan which almost always reveals viruses that were living right under Norton's nose.
(at least 80% of the time)

Then I run AdAware SE/Personal and Spybot S&D and remove hundreds of pieces of Spyware, also not found by any Norton product.

Then I run the 30 day free trial of "Trojan Hunter" and find several trojans, also NOT found or removed by Norton.
So why was the user paying fifty bucks a year or more for Norton?
(a program or suite of programs that can bring an already weak PC, right down to its knees)
That's anyone's guess. Ignorance, maybe? Wink

So my advise to anyone still using Norton AV, is to move up to 2007, dump Norton and get the software (all FREE, by the way) that really works to keep your PC safe and running at peak performance.

If I didn't do this stuff for a living, on a daily basis, I wouldn't be here trying to help out. Let my experience with this stuff, benefit you too.

Cheers Maties!

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Francais



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:19 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

On NAV, versions beginning with 2003 are resource hogs indeed.
IMHO though, if one wants a good AV Program one should be willing to pay for it assuming of course that one can afford to.
A good place to start one's selection is at AV Comparatives http://www.av-comparatives.org/
I personally use both Avira Antivir Personal Edition Premium and AVG 7.5 Antimalware. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:38 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

If someone is just dying to throw their money away, then by all means buy the full Professional version of AVG 7.5 . They can always use the extra income. (like who can't)

It will give you a few more bells and whistles like checking for updates every hour that you're on-line. Do we really need that?

But the AV protection is the very same as with the AVG 7.5 FREE version.
The Pro versions will also work with 64 bit OS's and Vista Ultimate. The FREE version will not.

But the biggest problem is getting a clean uninstall of Norton....thus my advise to read my signature line.

Thousands of words per day are written on some forum or another, on this very subject. A Google search can reveal much.

Cheers!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:00 am    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

I have seen many PCs infected with multiple Virii that Norton was just happy to ignore. What I like is that AVG Free 7.5 can be installed in a "dirty" PC and can boot-strap its way into erraticating most if not all infections! Most AV programs don't recommend you do that including Norton. Norton used to be a good company when Peter Norton was running things but has evolved into "bloatware" thanks to Symantec. I think they are just adding blocks of code to existing instead of stripping the code back to square one and making a lean and mean product. Another beef I have is with McAfee's "auto-renewal" feature? It automatically is activated with no option to remove at time of purchase. To turn off McAfee's auto-renewal you must call and get a customer service rep to deactivate it. I shudder to think how many people that don't check the credit cards carefully are still paying for a subscription to McAfee. I know because this happened to me!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:08 pm    Post subject: [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Better, Later, than never......

To repeat my favorite story about Norton vs AVG,,,,,,

A lady called me to say she had just upgraded her Norton AV program and paid them more money and the program was coming up on every boot telling her that there was 1 virus that it found and couldn't remove.

After getting her OK, I removed Norton and replaced it with AVG, got the latest update and ran a scan. AVG found and removed the one virus that Norton said it couldn't remove and as it continued scanning, it found and removed 150 more. The lady was red faced and mad as heck.
She promptly called Symantec and demanded her money back.
I don't know if she ever got it or not. Rolling Eyes

I'm sure that computer tech's the world over, can relate similar stories.

Most of the new customers that call me and tell me their PC is running so slow they can't stand it any more, have Norton installed.

Once I remove that Hog, install AVG 7.5 FREE and do a thorough cleanup on their HD, things begin to run the way they should.
With a few registry tweaks to improve memory usage and shutting down all the redundant Services, the little PC will start running better than it did when it was new.

Installing AdAware and Spybot S&D and running their scans, finishes up the job.
I've seen over a thousand (1000) pieces of spyware/adware removed by those two programs.

Cheers Mates!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: AVG vs Norton [Login to view extended thread Info.]

Dave Cohen wrote:
I use Avast. It's free, probably isn't the very best but I like it and wouldn't expect any product to unconditionally protect if the user fails to observe reasonable caution.


This is an interesting question, and I think it depends on what your needs are and what your particular situation is. Personally, I use Norton, and it doesn't actually cost that much ($15 a seat with the ten user pack).

However, where I live, there are many computers that do not have internet access, so for a while I've been recommending that people use AVG. AVG manual updates are much easier than Symantec's 19 MB + download, especially over dial-up.

But, I've run into several situations where a computer is infested with viruses and no antivirus is installed. For these, I have to use Norton to clean up (or Avast), because AVG is just not robust enough against viruses running in memory. I struggled for several hours one day because AVG couldn't clean a virus that was running. Norton installed in about 15 minutes and took care of the problem.

That said, I'm now starting to recommend Avast as the better of the two free solutions. We've had a huge problem here in Malawi with the Brontok virus and Avast does a perfect job of cleaning it (better than Norton, AVG, & Sophos).

So I would recommend Avast. Smile

Sorry if none of this makes logical sense, it's getting kind of late over here. Wink
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