How to center the web page in the screen?

RMG · External Since: Apr 15, 2009 Posts: 2

Hi!

First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS Publisher.

I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text boxes.

My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the people
that are visiting the website. ?

Thanks for your time!

--
MS Publisher Web Designer

Don Schmidt · External Since: Apr 21, 2007 Posts: 207

What version of Publisher do you use to create your website; different
versions require different patches.

--
Don - Publisher 2000®
Vancouver, USA

"RMG" <RMG RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9C4448C2-F500-484E-9EC5-08EAB62C0F39@microsoft.com...
> Hi!
>
> First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS Publisher.
>
> I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text
> boxes.
>
> My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the people
> that are visiting the website. ?
>
> Thanks for your time!
>
>
> --
> MS Publisher Web Designer

RMG · External Since: Apr 15, 2009 Posts: 2

I am using Publisher 2003.

Thanks!!

--
MS Publisher Web Designer

"Don Schmidt" wrote:

> What version of Publisher do you use to create your website; different
> versions require different patches.
>
>
> --
> Don - Publisher 2000Â®
> Vancouver, USA
>
>
> "RMG" <RMG RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9C4448C2-F500-484E-9EC5-08EAB62C0F39@microsoft.com...
> > Hi!
> >
> > First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS Publisher.
> >
> > I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text
> > boxes.
> >
> > My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the people
> > that are visiting the website. ?
> >
> > Thanks for your time!
> >
> >
> > --
> > MS Publisher Web Designer
>
>
>

Spike · External Since: Feb 20, 2009 Posts: 44

The fix to center pages using publisher 2000 and 2002
Publish to your hard drive
Edit the htm file(s) with notepad, wordpad or any other text editor and
replace <head> with

<head><center>

The fix to center pages using publisher 2003 and 2007
Publish to your hard drive
Edit the htm file(s) and replace </head> with

</head><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="2"
width="760"align="center"><tr><td>

" All above on one line "

Be sure that you edit the </head> line and NOT the <head> line

If you are using a page width different than 760 pixels change that number
in the above line

If you have multiple pages you might want to look at
http://www.emurasoft.com/replall/ a simple replace lines in multiple htm
files

Then ftp the files to your ISP

Spike

"RMG" <RMG RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9C4448C2-F500-484E-9EC5-08EAB62C0F39@microsoft.com...
> Hi!
>
> First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS Publisher.
>
> I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text
> boxes.
>
> My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the people
> that are visiting the website. ?
>
> Thanks for your time!
>
>
> --
> MS Publisher Web Designer

Don Schmidt · External Since: Apr 21, 2007 Posts: 207

Spike,

Though not needed in your advice, the Pub 2000 & 2002, the Solidus was
missing in front of "head". The "back slash"? Reverse Solidus. <G>
(They are ID'd in the Character Map). 'Have time on my hands this fine
morning.

--
Don - Vancouver, USA
"May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American

"Spike" <zero_spam RemoveThis @nospam.net> wrote in message
news:OAwHaGdvJHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> The fix to center pages using publisher 2000 and 2002
> Publish to your hard drive
> Edit the htm file(s) with notepad, wordpad or any other text editor and
> replace <head> with
>
> <head><center>
>
>
> The fix to center pages using publisher 2003 and 2007
> Publish to your hard drive
> Edit the htm file(s) and replace </head> with
>
> </head><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="2"
> width="760"align="center"><tr><td>
>
> " All above on one line "
>
> Be sure that you edit the </head> line and NOT the <head> line
>
> If you are using a page width different than 760 pixels change that number
> in the above line
>
> If you have multiple pages you might want to look at
> http://www.emurasoft.com/replall/ a simple replace lines in multiple htm
> files
>
> Then ftp the files to your ISP
>
> Spike
>
> "RMG" <RMG RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9C4448C2-F500-484E-9EC5-08EAB62C0F39@microsoft.com...
>> Hi!
>>
>> First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS
>> Publisher.
>>
>> I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text
>> boxes.
>>
>> My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the people
>> that are visiting the website. ?
>>
>> Thanks for your time!
>>
>>
>> --
>> MS Publisher Web Designer
>

Spike · External Since: Feb 20, 2009 Posts: 44

Don

Using 2000 and 2002 it is the <head> that gets replaced with <head><center>
NO backslash on this one
2003 and 2007 indeed it is the </head> ......

I always include both just in case a reader comes along with the other
version that the OP asked for. Does this answerer your query? Did I get
the jest of your comment?

Spike

"Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer.DeleteThis@PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in message
news:1NadnTw27OggnXvUnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@posted.palinacquisition...
> Spike,
>
> Though not needed in your advice, the Pub 2000 & 2002, the Solidus was
> missing in front of "head". The "back slash"? Reverse Solidus. <G>
> (They are ID'd in the Character Map). 'Have time on my hands this fine
> morning.
>
> --
> Don - Vancouver, USA
> "May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American
>
>
>
> "Spike" <zero_spam.DeleteThis@nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:OAwHaGdvJHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> The fix to center pages using publisher 2000 and 2002
>> Publish to your hard drive
>> Edit the htm file(s) with notepad, wordpad or any other text editor and
>> replace <head> with
>>
>> <head><center>
>>
>>
>> The fix to center pages using publisher 2003 and 2007
>> Publish to your hard drive
>> Edit the htm file(s) and replace </head> with
>>
>> </head><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="2"
>> width="760"align="center"><tr><td>
>>
>> " All above on one line "
>>
>> Be sure that you edit the </head> line and NOT the <head> line
>>
>> If you are using a page width different than 760 pixels change that
>> number
>> in the above line
>>
>> If you have multiple pages you might want to look at
>> http://www.emurasoft.com/replall/ a simple replace lines in multiple htm
>> files
>>
>> Then ftp the files to your ISP
>>
>> Spike
>>
>> "RMG" <RMG.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:9C4448C2-F500-484E-9EC5-08EAB62C0F39@microsoft.com...
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS
>>> Publisher.
>>>
>>> I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text
>>> boxes.
>>>
>>> My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the
>>> people
>>> that are visiting the website. ?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your time!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> MS Publisher Web Designer
>>
>
>

Don Schmidt · External Since: Apr 21, 2007 Posts: 207

Spike,

You've created the need for a test; below is the begining of a test site of
mine before centering.
Note the </head> below.
When I apply ReplaceInFiles I replace </head> with </head><center>
But! Doing it your way, it changes the first appearance of <head> with
<head><center>

Conclusion after testing both ways, doesn't seem to make a difference. ????

<!doctype html public "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Publisher 2000">
<title>DEFCON 5 TEST CENTER</title>
</head> <---------------------------------------- Note the /
<body bgcolor="#f9ffd7" link="#000080" vlink="#660099" text="#000000"
topmargin=0 leftmargin=0>
<a name=top></a>

Don

"Spike" <zero_spam.RemoveThis@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:u87C3AfvJHA.1304@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Don
>
> Using 2000 and 2002 it is the <head> that gets replaced with
> <head><center> NO backslash on this one
> 2003 and 2007 indeed it is the </head> ......
>
> I always include both just in case a reader comes along with the other
> version that the OP asked for. Does this answerer your query? Did I get
> the jest of your comment?
>
> Spike
>
>
> "Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer.RemoveThis@PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in message
> news:1NadnTw27OggnXvUnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@posted.palinacquisition...
>> Spike,
>>
>> Though not needed in your advice, the Pub 2000 & 2002, the Solidus was
>> missing in front of "head". The "back slash"? Reverse Solidus. <G>
>> (They are ID'd in the Character Map). 'Have time on my hands this fine
>> morning.
>>
>> --
>> Don - Vancouver, USA
>> "May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American
>>
>>
>>
>> "Spike" <zero_spam.RemoveThis@nospam.net> wrote in message
>> news:OAwHaGdvJHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> The fix to center pages using publisher 2000 and 2002
>>> Publish to your hard drive
>>> Edit the htm file(s) with notepad, wordpad or any other text editor and
>>> replace <head> with
>>>
>>> <head><center>
>>>
>>>
>>> The fix to center pages using publisher 2003 and 2007
>>> Publish to your hard drive
>>> Edit the htm file(s) and replace </head> with
>>>
>>> </head><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="2"
>>> width="760"align="center"><tr><td>
>>>
>>> " All above on one line "
>>>
>>> Be sure that you edit the </head> line and NOT the <head> line
>>>
>>> If you are using a page width different than 760 pixels change that
>>> number
>>> in the above line
>>>
>>> If you have multiple pages you might want to look at
>>> http://www.emurasoft.com/replall/ a simple replace lines in multiple htm
>>> files
>>>
>>> Then ftp the files to your ISP
>>>
>>> Spike
>>>
>>> "RMG" <RMG.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:9C4448C2-F500-484E-9EC5-08EAB62C0F39@microsoft.com...
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS
>>>> Publisher.
>>>>
>>>> I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text
>>>> boxes.
>>>>
>>>> My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the
>>>> people
>>>> that are visiting the website. ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your time!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> MS Publisher Web Designer
>>>
>>
>>

DavidF · External Since: Mar 18, 2004 Posts: 3032

RMG,

Don't let the one dissenting voice scare you. The method Spike and Don
describe does work, works consistently and enjoys cross browser support. We
have been using this method with Publisher webs for years. Here are two
examples:

http://www.iosholiday.com/

http://www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk/

DavidF

"RMG" <RMG DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:9C4448C2-F500-484E-9EC5-08EAB62C0F39@microsoft.com...
> Hi!
>
> First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS Publisher.
>
> I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text
> boxes.
>
> My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the people
> that are visiting the website. ?
>
> Thanks for your time!
>
>
> --
> MS Publisher Web Designer

DavidF · External Since: Mar 18, 2004 Posts: 3032

Cool...we both learned something today. I always edited <head> and didn't
know the code would work on </head>.

I still think for consistency sake, that your canned response should
reference the <head> tag. It is also easier and faster to find if someone
did choose to edit the .htm(l) files manually.

DavidF

"Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer RemoveThis @PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in message
news:5budnZN1JZVSrnvUnZ2dnUVZ_jOdnZ2d@posted.palinacquisition...
> Spike,
>
> You've created the need for a test; below is the begining of a test site
> of mine before centering.
> Note the </head> below.
> When I apply ReplaceInFiles I replace </head> with </head><center>
> But! Doing it your way, it changes the first appearance of <head> with
> <head><center>
>
> Conclusion after testing both ways, doesn't seem to make a difference.
> ????
>
> <!doctype html public "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
> <html>
> <head>
> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Publisher 2000">
> <title>DEFCON 5 TEST CENTER</title>
> </head> <---------------------------------------- Note the /
> <body bgcolor="#f9ffd7" link="#000080" vlink="#660099" text="#000000"
> topmargin=0 leftmargin=0>
> <a name=top></a>
>
> Don
>
>
>
>
> "Spike" <zero_spam RemoveThis @nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:u87C3AfvJHA.1304@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Don
>>
>> Using 2000 and 2002 it is the <head> that gets replaced with
>> <head><center> NO backslash on this one
>> 2003 and 2007 indeed it is the </head> ......
>>
>> I always include both just in case a reader comes along with the other
>> version that the OP asked for. Does this answerer your query? Did I get
>> the jest of your comment?
>>
>> Spike
>>
>>
>> "Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer RemoveThis @PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in message
>> news:1NadnTw27OggnXvUnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@posted.palinacquisition...
>>> Spike,
>>>
>>> Though not needed in your advice, the Pub 2000 & 2002, the Solidus was
>>> missing in front of "head". The "back slash"? Reverse Solidus. <G>
>>> (They are ID'd in the Character Map). 'Have time on my hands this fine
>>> morning.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Don - Vancouver, USA
>>> "May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Spike" <zero_spam RemoveThis @nospam.net> wrote in message
>>> news:OAwHaGdvJHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> The fix to center pages using publisher 2000 and 2002
>>>> Publish to your hard drive
>>>> Edit the htm file(s) with notepad, wordpad or any other text editor and
>>>> replace <head> with
>>>>
>>>> <head><center>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The fix to center pages using publisher 2003 and 2007
>>>> Publish to your hard drive
>>>> Edit the htm file(s) and replace </head> with
>>>>
>>>> </head><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="2"
>>>> width="760"align="center"><tr><td>
>>>>
>>>> " All above on one line "
>>>>
>>>> Be sure that you edit the </head> line and NOT the <head> line
>>>>
>>>> If you are using a page width different than 760 pixels change that
>>>> number
>>>> in the above line
>>>>
>>>> If you have multiple pages you might want to look at
>>>> http://www.emurasoft.com/replall/ a simple replace lines in multiple
>>>> htm
>>>> files
>>>>
>>>> Then ftp the files to your ISP
>>>>
>>>> Spike
>>>>
>>>> "RMG" <RMG RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:9C4448C2-F500-484E-9EC5-08EAB62C0F39@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>
>>>>> First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS
>>>>> Publisher.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text
>>>>> boxes.
>>>>>
>>>>> My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the
>>>>> people
>>>>> that are visiting the website. ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your time!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> MS Publisher Web Designer
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Eric James · External Since: Apr 16, 2009 Posts: 8

Can you believe this dim-witted idiot?
'One dissenting voice' and the entire weight of the W3C. What do they
matter?

And of course, the two web sites quoted have actually been highlighted as
having cross-browser compatibility problems by their creators asking for
help. It really doesn't get any more bizarre.
Still, no doubt DavidF will still be here in a couple of years time,
promising that the browser manufacturers will soon be issuing patches for
their latest products so that your broken web pages will continue to work...
And Google will of course assign a team to write special routines to parse
and index your pages because they really wouldn't want to simply label your
web sites as being incoherent gibberish, would they?

"DavidF" <Nope DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%23TE0PFivJHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> RMG,
>
> Don't let the one dissenting voice scare you. The method Spike and Don
> describe does work, works consistently and enjoys cross browser support.
> We have been using this method with Publisher webs for years. Here are two
> examples:
>
> http://www.iosholiday.com/
>
> http://www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk/
>
> DavidF
>
> "RMG" <RMG DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:9C4448C2-F500-484E-9EC5-08EAB62C0F39@microsoft.com...
>> Hi!
>>
>> First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS
>> Publisher.
>>
>> I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text
>> boxes.
>>
>> My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the people
>> that are visiting the website. ?
>>
>> Thanks for your time!
>>
>>
>> --
>> MS Publisher Web Designer
>
>

Don Schmidt · External Since: Apr 21, 2007 Posts: 207

Eric, so far you are the only one in this news group who is against the use
of the <center> code insert. Many of have used it for several years with
satisfactory results.

And you loose your credibility and bring into question your respect for
others when resulting to discourteous denunciation of a long standing
respected member of this Publisher group. If the many of us who use the
<center> fix are out of step, in your view (and the W3C if you wish to add
them), at least were in unison together.

--
Don - Vancouver, USA - www.vanusa.org a Publisher 2000 website.
"May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American

"Eric James" <no RemoveThis @mail.com> wrote in message
news:E4DFl.33080$8w1.2737@newsfe15.ams2...
> Can you believe this dim-witted idiot?
> 'One dissenting voice' and the entire weight of the W3C. What do they
> matter?
>
> And of course, the two web sites quoted have actually been highlighted as
> having cross-browser compatibility problems by their creators asking for
> help. It really doesn't get any more bizarre.
> Still, no doubt DavidF will still be here in a couple of years time,
> promising that the browser manufacturers will soon be issuing patches for
> their latest products so that your broken web pages will continue to
> work... And Google will of course assign a team to write special routines
> to parse and index your pages because they really wouldn't want to simply
> label your web sites as being incoherent gibberish, would they?
>
>
>
>
> "DavidF" <Nope RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:%23TE0PFivJHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> RMG,
>>
>> Don't let the one dissenting voice scare you. The method Spike and Don
>> describe does work, works consistently and enjoys cross browser support.
>> We have been using this method with Publisher webs for years. Here are
>> two examples:
>>
>> http://www.iosholiday.com/
>>
>> http://www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk/
>>
>> DavidF
>>
>> "RMG" <RMG RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:9C4448C2-F500-484E-9EC5-08EAB62C0F39@microsoft.com...
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS
>>> Publisher.
>>>
>>> I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text
>>> boxes.
>>>
>>> My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the
>>> people
>>> that are visiting the website. ?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your time!
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> MS Publisher Web Designer
>>
>>
>
>

Eric James · External Since: Apr 16, 2009 Posts: 8

There is only so much one person can achieve in the face of mob rule. I'm
sure I'm not the first nor will be the last to at least try to bring some
genuine enlightenment into this peculiar world. In the land of the blind, as
they say, the one-eyed man is king.
It's obviously hard to accept when a previously revered icon or belief is
shown to be flawed, but that's progress and is the way of the world at
large. Imagine the pain for the religious in realising that there is, in
fact, no god.
As far as "respect" goes, it has a context, and generally is not given
gratis but needs to be earned. DavidF has admittedly lost any I might have
given him in this field due to his repeated postings of misleading and
erroneous information coupled with a dogged determination in refusing to
recognise them as such in the face of overwhelming evidence. Some of it's
fairly harmless, of course - here's the latest:

-----
The short answer is that IE8 does not render anything on a Pub 2003 or 2007
page that is grouped together, and the navbar buttons are grouped together.
While we wait for a patch from MSFT here is a workaround fix. Go to each
page of your publication Edit > Select All and then Arrange > Ungroup. Now
your buttons will show. If you would like a longer explanation of this, post
back.

DavidF
-----

The implication is clearly that the fault lies with IE8. It doesn't. The
fault is with Publisher, and it's unlikely there will ever be a fix for
Publisher 2003, or 2000, for that matter. And are they going to fix the
problems in Firefox too? The best advice for a long-term solution for most
people with their varieties of problems would be to use a better tool to
make their web pages in future. Does he ever say that?

"Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer.TakeThisOut@PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in message
news:D5Odnek786Jtk3rUnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@posted.palinacquisition...
> Eric, so far you are the only one in this news group who is against the
> use of the <center> code insert. Many of have used it for several years
> with satisfactory results.
>
> And you loose your credibility and bring into question your respect for
> others when resulting to discourteous denunciation of a long standing
> respected member of this Publisher group. If the many of us who use the
> <center> fix are out of step, in your view (and the W3C if you wish to add
> them), at least were in unison together.
>
> --
> Don - Vancouver, USA - www.vanusa.org a Publisher 2000 website.
> "May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American
>
>
>
>
>
> "Eric James" <no.TakeThisOut@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:E4DFl.33080$8w1.2737@newsfe15.ams2...
>> Can you believe this dim-witted idiot?
>> 'One dissenting voice' and the entire weight of the W3C. What do they
>> matter?
>>
>> And of course, the two web sites quoted have actually been highlighted as
>> having cross-browser compatibility problems by their creators asking for
>> help. It really doesn't get any more bizarre.
>> Still, no doubt DavidF will still be here in a couple of years time,
>> promising that the browser manufacturers will soon be issuing patches for
>> their latest products so that your broken web pages will continue to
>> work... And Google will of course assign a team to write special routines
>> to parse and index your pages because they really wouldn't want to simply
>> label your web sites as being incoherent gibberish, would they?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "DavidF" <Nope.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23TE0PFivJHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> RMG,
>>>
>>> Don't let the one dissenting voice scare you. The method Spike and Don
>>> describe does work, works consistently and enjoys cross browser support.
>>> We have been using this method with Publisher webs for years. Here are
>>> two examples:
>>>
>>> http://www.iosholiday.com/
>>>
>>> http://www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk/
>>>
>>> DavidF
>>>
>>> "RMG" <RMG.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:9C4448C2-F500-484E-9EC5-08EAB62C0F39@microsoft.com...
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS
>>>> Publisher.
>>>>
>>>> I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text
>>>> boxes.
>>>>
>>>> My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the
>>>> people
>>>> that are visiting the website. ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your time!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> MS Publisher Web Designer
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

MAURH · External Since: May 20, 2007 Posts: 17

Tell us all Mr. James, have you always been this arrogant, condescending and
patronizing...or has it taken alot of practice?

"Eric James" <no RemoveThis @mail.com> wrote in message
news:0iFFl.85435$AS.11647@newsfe03.ams2...
> There is only so much one person can achieve in the face of mob rule. I'm
> sure I'm not the first nor will be the last to at least try to bring some
> genuine enlightenment into this peculiar world. In the land of the blind,
> as they say, the one-eyed man is king.
> It's obviously hard to accept when a previously revered icon or belief is
> shown to be flawed, but that's progress and is the way of the world at
> large. Imagine the pain for the religious in realising that there is, in
> fact, no god.
> As far as "respect" goes, it has a context, and generally is not given
> gratis but needs to be earned. DavidF has admittedly lost any I might have
> given him in this field due to his repeated postings of misleading and
> erroneous information coupled with a dogged determination in refusing to
> recognise them as such in the face of overwhelming evidence. Some of it's
> fairly harmless, of course - here's the latest:
>
> -----
> The short answer is that IE8 does not render anything on a Pub 2003 or
> 2007
> page that is grouped together, and the navbar buttons are grouped
> together.
> While we wait for a patch from MSFT here is a workaround fix. Go to each
> page of your publication Edit > Select All and then Arrange > Ungroup. Now
> your buttons will show. If you would like a longer explanation of this,
> post
> back.
>
> DavidF
> -----
>
> The implication is clearly that the fault lies with IE8. It doesn't. The
> fault is with Publisher, and it's unlikely there will ever be a fix for
> Publisher 2003, or 2000, for that matter. And are they going to fix the
> problems in Firefox too? The best advice for a long-term solution for most
> people with their varieties of problems would be to use a better tool to
> make their web pages in future. Does he ever say that?
>
>
> "Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer RemoveThis @PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in message
> news:D5Odnek786Jtk3rUnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@posted.palinacquisition...
>> Eric, so far you are the only one in this news group who is against the
>> use of the <center> code insert. Many of have used it for several years
>> with satisfactory results.
>>
>> And you loose your credibility and bring into question your respect for
>> others when resulting to discourteous denunciation of a long standing
>> respected member of this Publisher group. If the many of us who use the
>> <center> fix are out of step, in your view (and the W3C if you wish to
>> add them), at least were in unison together.
>>
>> --
>> Don - Vancouver, USA - www.vanusa.org a Publisher 2000 website.
>> "May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Eric James" <no RemoveThis @mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:E4DFl.33080$8w1.2737@newsfe15.ams2...
>>> Can you believe this dim-witted idiot?
>>> 'One dissenting voice' and the entire weight of the W3C. What do they
>>> matter?
>>>
>>> And of course, the two web sites quoted have actually been highlighted
>>> as having cross-browser compatibility problems by their creators asking
>>> for help. It really doesn't get any more bizarre.
>>> Still, no doubt DavidF will still be here in a couple of years time,
>>> promising that the browser manufacturers will soon be issuing patches
>>> for their latest products so that your broken web pages will continue to
>>> work... And Google will of course assign a team to write special
>>> routines to parse and index your pages because they really wouldn't want
>>> to simply label your web sites as being incoherent gibberish, would
>>> they?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DavidF" <Nope RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23TE0PFivJHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> RMG,
>>>>
>>>> Don't let the one dissenting voice scare you. The method Spike and Don
>>>> describe does work, works consistently and enjoys cross browser
>>>> support. We have been using this method with Publisher webs for years.
>>>> Here are two examples:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.iosholiday.com/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk/
>>>>
>>>> DavidF
>>>>
>>>> "RMG" <RMG RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:9C4448C2-F500-484E-9EC5-08EAB62C0F39@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>
>>>>> First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS
>>>>> Publisher.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text
>>>>> boxes.
>>>>>
>>>>> My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the
>>>>> people
>>>>> that are visiting the website. ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your time!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> MS Publisher Web Designer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Eric James · External Since: Apr 16, 2009 Posts: 8

Sorry Maureen, I realise the caravan site is yours.

To answer your question - indeed not, as you would be aware if you actually
knew me. I may however have a trait for perfection where appropriate, and a
deep technical knowledge and experience gained from years of working in the
i.t. industry.

"MAURH" <???> wrote in message news:uGmtaQpvJHA.4452@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Tell us all Mr. James, have you always been this arrogant, condescending
> and patronizing...or has it taken alot of practice?
>
>
> "Eric James" <no.DeleteThis@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:0iFFl.85435$AS.11647@newsfe03.ams2...
>> There is only so much one person can achieve in the face of mob rule. I'm
>> sure I'm not the first nor will be the last to at least try to bring some
>> genuine enlightenment into this peculiar world. In the land of the blind,
>> as they say, the one-eyed man is king.
>> It's obviously hard to accept when a previously revered icon or belief is
>> shown to be flawed, but that's progress and is the way of the world at
>> large. Imagine the pain for the religious in realising that there is, in
>> fact, no god.
>> As far as "respect" goes, it has a context, and generally is not given
>> gratis but needs to be earned. DavidF has admittedly lost any I might
>> have given him in this field due to his repeated postings of misleading
>> and erroneous information coupled with a dogged determination in refusing
>> to recognise them as such in the face of overwhelming evidence. Some of
>> it's fairly harmless, of course - here's the latest:
>>
>> -----
>> The short answer is that IE8 does not render anything on a Pub 2003 or
>> 2007
>> page that is grouped together, and the navbar buttons are grouped
>> together.
>> While we wait for a patch from MSFT here is a workaround fix. Go to each
>> page of your publication Edit > Select All and then Arrange > Ungroup.
>> Now
>> your buttons will show. If you would like a longer explanation of this,
>> post
>> back.
>>
>> DavidF
>> -----
>>
>> The implication is clearly that the fault lies with IE8. It doesn't. The
>> fault is with Publisher, and it's unlikely there will ever be a fix for
>> Publisher 2003, or 2000, for that matter. And are they going to fix the
>> problems in Firefox too? The best advice for a long-term solution for
>> most people with their varieties of problems would be to use a better
>> tool to make their web pages in future. Does he ever say that?
>>
>>
>> "Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer.DeleteThis@PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in message
>> news:D5Odnek786Jtk3rUnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@posted.palinacquisition...
>>> Eric, so far you are the only one in this news group who is against the
>>> use of the <center> code insert. Many of have used it for several years
>>> with satisfactory results.
>>>
>>> And you loose your credibility and bring into question your respect for
>>> others when resulting to discourteous denunciation of a long standing
>>> respected member of this Publisher group. If the many of us who use the
>>> <center> fix are out of step, in your view (and the W3C if you wish to
>>> add them), at least were in unison together.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Don - Vancouver, USA - www.vanusa.org a Publisher 2000 website.
>>> "May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Eric James" <no.DeleteThis@mail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:E4DFl.33080$8w1.2737@newsfe15.ams2...
>>>> Can you believe this dim-witted idiot?
>>>> 'One dissenting voice' and the entire weight of the W3C. What do they
>>>> matter?
>>>>
>>>> And of course, the two web sites quoted have actually been highlighted
>>>> as having cross-browser compatibility problems by their creators asking
>>>> for help. It really doesn't get any more bizarre.
>>>> Still, no doubt DavidF will still be here in a couple of years time,
>>>> promising that the browser manufacturers will soon be issuing patches
>>>> for their latest products so that your broken web pages will continue
>>>> to work... And Google will of course assign a team to write special
>>>> routines to parse and index your pages because they really wouldn't
>>>> want to simply label your web sites as being incoherent gibberish,
>>>> would they?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DavidF" <Nope.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23TE0PFivJHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> RMG,
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't let the one dissenting voice scare you. The method Spike and Don
>>>>> describe does work, works consistently and enjoys cross browser
>>>>> support. We have been using this method with Publisher webs for years.
>>>>> Here are two examples:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.iosholiday.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk/
>>>>>
>>>>> DavidF
>>>>>
>>>>> "RMG" <RMG.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:9C4448C2-F500-484E-9EC5-08EAB62C0F39@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS
>>>>>> Publisher.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text
>>>>>> boxes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> that are visiting the website. ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your time!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> MS Publisher Web Designer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

MAURH · External Since: May 20, 2007 Posts: 17

Thank you for your apology Mr. James.

Whilst we may all appreciate that you have vast amounts of knowledge and
experience in the IT industry, I also have many years experience working
with people. The one fact that you fail to realise or appreciate is that
people make free choices. We all know there are other products out there,
but in this MSFT newsgroup people have 'chosen' to use Publisher....for
their own reasons and in spite of yours or anyone else's opinion.
They have worked hard and spent a great deal of time and effort producing
their work. When they have problems and ask for help, they do not ask for,
or indeed need, someone constantly and condescendingly telling them that
they have 'chosen' the wrong product or belittling those who give their time
freely to help.

Your comments so far have only damaged any credibility you may have been
seeking, so unless you have a valuable contribution to make to this
newsgroup regarding Publisher, may I respectfully suggest that you seek
another outlet for your 'trait for perfection' and leave others to help
those who genuinely want help.

"Eric James" <no RemoveThis @mail.com> wrote in message
news:xCGFl.13834$vI1.13120@newsfe14.ams2...
> Sorry Maureen, I realise the caravan site is yours.
>
> To answer your question - indeed not, as you would be aware if you
> actually knew me. I may however have a trait for perfection where
> appropriate, and a deep technical knowledge and experience gained from
> years of working in the i.t. industry.
>
>
> "MAURH" <???> wrote in message
> news:uGmtaQpvJHA.4452@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Tell us all Mr. James, have you always been this arrogant, condescending
>> and patronizing...or has it taken alot of practice?
>>
>>
>> "Eric James" <no RemoveThis @mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:0iFFl.85435$AS.11647@newsfe03.ams2...
>>> There is only so much one person can achieve in the face of mob rule.
>>> I'm sure I'm not the first nor will be the last to at least try to bring
>>> some genuine enlightenment into this peculiar world. In the land of the
>>> blind, as they say, the one-eyed man is king.
>>> It's obviously hard to accept when a previously revered icon or belief
>>> is shown to be flawed, but that's progress and is the way of the world
>>> at large. Imagine the pain for the religious in realising that there is,
>>> in fact, no god.
>>> As far as "respect" goes, it has a context, and generally is not given
>>> gratis but needs to be earned. DavidF has admittedly lost any I might
>>> have given him in this field due to his repeated postings of misleading
>>> and erroneous information coupled with a dogged determination in
>>> refusing to recognise them as such in the face of overwhelming evidence.
>>> Some of it's fairly harmless, of course - here's the latest:
>>>
>>> -----
>>> The short answer is that IE8 does not render anything on a Pub 2003 or
>>> 2007
>>> page that is grouped together, and the navbar buttons are grouped
>>> together.
>>> While we wait for a patch from MSFT here is a workaround fix. Go to each
>>> page of your publication Edit > Select All and then Arrange > Ungroup.
>>> Now
>>> your buttons will show. If you would like a longer explanation of this,
>>> post
>>> back.
>>>
>>> DavidF
>>> -----
>>>
>>> The implication is clearly that the fault lies with IE8. It doesn't. The
>>> fault is with Publisher, and it's unlikely there will ever be a fix for
>>> Publisher 2003, or 2000, for that matter. And are they going to fix the
>>> problems in Firefox too? The best advice for a long-term solution for
>>> most people with their varieties of problems would be to use a better
>>> tool to make their web pages in future. Does he ever say that?
>>>
>>>
>>> "Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer RemoveThis @PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in message
>>> news:D5Odnek786Jtk3rUnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@posted.palinacquisition...
>>>> Eric, so far you are the only one in this news group who is against the
>>>> use of the <center> code insert. Many of have used it for several
>>>> years with satisfactory results.
>>>>
>>>> And you loose your credibility and bring into question your respect for
>>>> others when resulting to discourteous denunciation of a long standing
>>>> respected member of this Publisher group. If the many of us who use
>>>> the <center> fix are out of step, in your view (and the W3C if you wish
>>>> to add them), at least were in unison together.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Don - Vancouver, USA - www.vanusa.org a Publisher 2000 website.
>>>> "May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Eric James" <no RemoveThis @mail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:E4DFl.33080$8w1.2737@newsfe15.ams2...
>>>>> Can you believe this dim-witted idiot?
>>>>> 'One dissenting voice' and the entire weight of the W3C. What do they
>>>>> matter?
>>>>>
>>>>> And of course, the two web sites quoted have actually been highlighted
>>>>> as having cross-browser compatibility problems by their creators
>>>>> asking for help. It really doesn't get any more bizarre.
>>>>> Still, no doubt DavidF will still be here in a couple of years time,
>>>>> promising that the browser manufacturers will soon be issuing patches
>>>>> for their latest products so that your broken web pages will continue
>>>>> to work... And Google will of course assign a team to write special
>>>>> routines to parse and index your pages because they really wouldn't
>>>>> want to simply label your web sites as being incoherent gibberish,
>>>>> would they?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DavidF" <Nope RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23TE0PFivJHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> RMG,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't let the one dissenting voice scare you. The method Spike and
>>>>>> Don describe does work, works consistently and enjoys cross browser
>>>>>> support. We have been using this method with Publisher webs for
>>>>>> years. Here are two examples:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.iosholiday.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DavidF
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "RMG" <RMG RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:9C4448C2-F500-484E-9EC5-08EAB62C0F39@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS
>>>>>>> Publisher.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text
>>>>>>> boxes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> that are visiting the website. ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your time!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> MS Publisher Web Designer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

DavidF · External Since: Mar 18, 2004 Posts: 3032

Maureen,

The answer is a lot of practice.

While I appreciate the fact that you and Don have chosen to defend me and
confront this person, you should know that he already knows he is wrong. An
IT professional? Maybe. Here to save the children from the evils of
Publisher webs? Nonsense!

He has already made all these irrational arguments against using Publisher
to build webs before. I had a protracted 'debate' with him back in February
in the general Publisher newsgroup about the suitability of using Publisher
to build websites. Though I proved how untenable and irrational his
positions and arguments are, I also created a personal enemy, and thus the
attacks in this group. Here is a link to that thread:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/community/en-us/default.mspx?&query=Er...James&l

I won't reiterate everything that was said and 'debated' in that thread, but
suffice it to say that he has already brought up most every possible reason
and argument as to why someone should not use Publisher to build a web, and
I have refuted each and proved them all to be spurious. In the end he can
offer no facts or rational, logical reasons for not using Publisher to build
webs, and that is why he has resorted to the personal attacks and name
calling. That is why you have seen him getting increasingly more angry and
frustrated as I have followed him around and corrected his misinformation.
He is wrong and he knows it.

His primary argument is that no one should use Publisher to build webs
because Publisher does not produce 'standards compliant' html code. This is
based on the premise and assumption that unless the code is 'standards
compliant' you cannot achieve cross browser compatibility. This argument is
flawed and wrong when it comes to Publisher webs.

The bottom line is that in spite of the fact that the none of the different
versions of Publisher produce 'standards compliant' html code, you *can*
produce cross browser compatible webs with Publisher 2000, 2002, 2003 and
2007, *IF* you know how to use the program properly. He simply does not know
how to use the programs correctly and continues to show his ignorance in
most every post in this group.

Over the past 5 years or so I and others in this group have addressed the
issues of Publisher web cross browser compatibility and found most of the
issues that cause problems are usually related to print publication
formatting, layout and design techniques that are easily resolved by
tweaking the layout or design slightly. What a user needs to understand is
that Publisher cannot convert all print designs and formatting to html that
is cross browser compatible, but that is true regardless of what tool you
use. However, we have also found that if you avoid a few formatting and
layout pitfalls, and tweak your pages so that they function correctly and
look good in IE and FireFox, then they will also work in Opera and Safari
and most other browsers.

You *can* build Publisher webs that are cross browser compatible. This is
not an opinion...it is a fact, and he can scream and yell and stomp his
feet, attack me and try to scare people as much as he wants, and it won't
change it.

He has also twisted and distorted my position about the choice of using
Publisher to build webs. To set things straight, my basic position is that
the choice of whether to use Publisher for a web really depends on what the
user's goals are for that web. If all they want is a relatively small,
simple static, fixed width website, and if they already own and know how to
use Publisher for print publications, then it can be a good choice to easily
and quickly build a good looking, fully functional, relatively fast loading
and crossbrowser compatible website. I also believe strongly that suggesting
that a person *must* use a program that produces 'standards compliant'
html code is simply overkill and unnecessary for what most people want to
accomplish with Publisher.

I am not saying that it is the best choice for everybody, and in fact
frequently suggest to some people that they should use other programs when I
feel they will not be able to achieve the goals they have for their sites.
Anyone that reads this group on a regular basis knows this to be true. If
you want more dynamic functionality or are planning a large site, then you
might consider investing in a program such as Dreamweaver or Web Expression
or other code editor programs, or perhaps a server side solution. But you
will have to invest a lot of hours learning html coding, CSS and more to use
those programs effectively and not everyone has either the time or the
aptitude.

With these things said, my goal in this group is to continue to provide
people who post in this group all the information they need to make educated
decisions about using Publisher to build their webs, and to help those
people that do choose to use Publisher. When this person posts
misinformation I will follow and clean up after him, and I would appreciate
your help along with Don's, Spike's and the other regulars in the group.
However, I refuse to engage him directly...I have wasted enough of my time
with his nonsense.

DavidF

"MAURH" <???> wrote in message news:uGmtaQpvJHA.4452@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Tell us all Mr. James, have you always been this arrogant, condescending
> and patronizing...or has it taken alot of practice?
>
>
> "Eric James" <no.RemoveThis@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:0iFFl.85435$AS.11647@newsfe03.ams2...
>> There is only so much one person can achieve in the face of mob rule. I'm
>> sure I'm not the first nor will be the last to at least try to bring some
>> genuine enlightenment into this peculiar world. In the land of the blind,
>> as they say, the one-eyed man is king.
>> It's obviously hard to accept when a previously revered icon or belief is
>> shown to be flawed, but that's progress and is the way of the world at
>> large. Imagine the pain for the religious in realising that there is, in
>> fact, no god.
>> As far as "respect" goes, it has a context, and generally is not given
>> gratis but needs to be earned. DavidF has admittedly lost any I might
>> have given him in this field due to his repeated postings of misleading
>> and erroneous information coupled with a dogged determination in refusing
>> to recognise them as such in the face of overwhelming evidence. Some of
>> it's fairly harmless, of course - here's the latest:
>>
>> -----
>> The short answer is that IE8 does not render anything on a Pub 2003 or
>> 2007
>> page that is grouped together, and the navbar buttons are grouped
>> together.
>> While we wait for a patch from MSFT here is a workaround fix. Go to each
>> page of your publication Edit > Select All and then Arrange > Ungroup.
>> Now
>> your buttons will show. If you would like a longer explanation of this,
>> post
>> back.
>>
>> DavidF
>> -----
>>
>> The implication is clearly that the fault lies with IE8. It doesn't. The
>> fault is with Publisher, and it's unlikely there will ever be a fix for
>> Publisher 2003, or 2000, for that matter. And are they going to fix the
>> problems in Firefox too? The best advice for a long-term solution for
>> most people with their varieties of problems would be to use a better
>> tool to make their web pages in future. Does he ever say that?
>>
>>
>> "Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer.RemoveThis@PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in message
>> news:D5Odnek786Jtk3rUnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@posted.palinacquisition...
>>> Eric, so far you are the only one in this news group who is against the
>>> use of the <center> code insert. Many of have used it for several years
>>> with satisfactory results.
>>>
>>> And you loose your credibility and bring into question your respect for
>>> others when resulting to discourteous denunciation of a long standing
>>> respected member of this Publisher group. If the many of us who use the
>>> <center> fix are out of step, in your view (and the W3C if you wish to
>>> add them), at least were in unison together.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Don - Vancouver, USA - www.vanusa.org a Publisher 2000 website.
>>> "May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Eric James" <no.RemoveThis@mail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:E4DFl.33080$8w1.2737@newsfe15.ams2...
>>>> Can you believe this dim-witted idiot?
>>>> 'One dissenting voice' and the entire weight of the W3C. What do they
>>>> matter?
>>>>
>>>> And of course, the two web sites quoted have actually been highlighted
>>>> as having cross-browser compatibility problems by their creators asking
>>>> for help. It really doesn't get any more bizarre.
>>>> Still, no doubt DavidF will still be here in a couple of years time,
>>>> promising that the browser manufacturers will soon be issuing patches
>>>> for their latest products so that your broken web pages will continue
>>>> to work... And Google will of course assign a team to write special
>>>> routines to parse and index your pages because they really wouldn't
>>>> want to simply label your web sites as being incoherent gibberish,
>>>> would they?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DavidF" <Nope.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23TE0PFivJHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>> RMG,
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't let the one dissenting voice scare you. The method Spike and Don
>>>>> describe does work, works consistently and enjoys cross browser
>>>>> support. We have been using this method with Publisher webs for years.
>>>>> Here are two examples:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.iosholiday.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk/
>>>>>
>>>>> DavidF
>>>>>
>>>>> "RMG" <RMG.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:9C4448C2-F500-484E-9EC5-08EAB62C0F39@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS
>>>>>> Publisher.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text
>>>>>> boxes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> that are visiting the website. ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your time!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> MS Publisher Web Designer
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

DavidF · External Since: Mar 18, 2004 Posts: 3032

Don,

Thanks. I fear that this person is simply not interested in reality. We will
just have to continue to follow him around and clean up after him when he
spews forth his untenable positions and misinformation. I appreciate your
help.

DavidF

"Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer.DeleteThis@PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in message
news:D5Odnek786Jtk3rUnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@posted.palinacquisition...
> Eric, so far you are the only one in this news group who is against the
> use of the <center> code insert. Many of have used it for several years
> with satisfactory results.
>
> And you loose your credibility and bring into question your respect for
> others when resulting to discourteous denunciation of a long standing
> respected member of this Publisher group. If the many of us who use the
> <center> fix are out of step, in your view (and the W3C if you wish to add
> them), at least were in unison together.
>
> --
> Don - Vancouver, USA - www.vanusa.org a Publisher 2000 website.
> "May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American
>
>
>
>
>
> "Eric James" <no.DeleteThis@mail.com> wrote in message
> news:E4DFl.33080$8w1.2737@newsfe15.ams2...
>> Can you believe this dim-witted idiot?
>> 'One dissenting voice' and the entire weight of the W3C. What do they
>> matter?
>>
>> And of course, the two web sites quoted have actually been highlighted as
>> having cross-browser compatibility problems by their creators asking for
>> help. It really doesn't get any more bizarre.
>> Still, no doubt DavidF will still be here in a couple of years time,
>> promising that the browser manufacturers will soon be issuing patches for
>> their latest products so that your broken web pages will continue to
>> work... And Google will of course assign a team to write special routines
>> to parse and index your pages because they really wouldn't want to simply
>> label your web sites as being incoherent gibberish, would they?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "DavidF" <Nope.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23TE0PFivJHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> RMG,
>>>
>>> Don't let the one dissenting voice scare you. The method Spike and Don
>>> describe does work, works consistently and enjoys cross browser support.
>>> We have been using this method with Publisher webs for years. Here are
>>> two examples:
>>>
>>> http://www.iosholiday.com/
>>>
>>> http://www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk/
>>>
>>> DavidF
>>>
>>> "RMG" <RMG.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:9C4448C2-F500-484E-9EC5-08EAB62C0F39@microsoft.com...
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS
>>>> Publisher.
>>>>
>>>> I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text
>>>> boxes.
>>>>
>>>> My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the
>>>> people
>>>> that are visiting the website. ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your time!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> MS Publisher Web Designer
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Don Schmidt · External Since: Apr 21, 2007 Posts: 207

David,

I don't think anyone gives credence to his criticism. It can be
untrustworthy.

Take care,

Don

"DavidF" <Nope DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
news:u93QhW2vJHA.1916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Don,
>
> Thanks. I fear that this person is simply not interested in reality. We
> will just have to continue to follow him around and clean up after him
> when he spews forth his untenable positions and misinformation. I
> appreciate your help.
>
> DavidF
>
> "Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer DeleteThis @PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in message
> news:D5Odnek786Jtk3rUnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@posted.palinacquisition...
>> Eric, so far you are the only one in this news group who is against the
>> use of the <center> code insert. Many of have used it for several years
>> with satisfactory results.
>>
>> And you loose your credibility and bring into question your respect for
>> others when resulting to discourteous denunciation of a long standing
>> respected member of this Publisher group. If the many of us who use the
>> <center> fix are out of step, in your view (and the W3C if you wish to
>> add them), at least were in unison together.
>>
>> --
>> Don - Vancouver, USA - www.vanusa.org a Publisher 2000 website.
>> "May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Eric James" <no DeleteThis @mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:E4DFl.33080$8w1.2737@newsfe15.ams2...
>>> Can you believe this dim-witted idiot?
>>> 'One dissenting voice' and the entire weight of the W3C. What do they
>>> matter?
>>>
>>> And of course, the two web sites quoted have actually been highlighted
>>> as having cross-browser compatibility problems by their creators asking
>>> for help. It really doesn't get any more bizarre.
>>> Still, no doubt DavidF will still be here in a couple of years time,
>>> promising that the browser manufacturers will soon be issuing patches
>>> for their latest products so that your broken web pages will continue to
>>> work... And Google will of course assign a team to write special
>>> routines to parse and index your pages because they really wouldn't want
>>> to simply label your web sites as being incoherent gibberish, would
>>> they?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DavidF" <Nope DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%23TE0PFivJHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> RMG,
>>>>
>>>> Don't let the one dissenting voice scare you. The method Spike and Don
>>>> describe does work, works consistently and enjoys cross browser
>>>> support. We have been using this method with Publisher webs for years.
>>>> Here are two examples:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.iosholiday.com/
>>>>
>>>> http://www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk/
>>>>
>>>> DavidF
>>>>
>>>> "RMG" <RMG DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:9C4448C2-F500-484E-9EC5-08EAB62C0F39@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>
>>>>> First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS
>>>>> Publisher.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text
>>>>> boxes.
>>>>>
>>>>> My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the
>>>>> people
>>>>> that are visiting the website. ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your time!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> MS Publisher Web Designer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Eric James · External Since: Apr 16, 2009 Posts: 8

It is becoming obvious that trying to educate David into better ways is
futile.
It is sad that there is almost nobody posting here highlighting his
commonplace errors and offering genuinely helpful advice which will really
help people avoid the issues which are causing them to post here in the
first place in future.
I got interested in reading the stuff here when the problems with IE8
emerged. I was quite shocked to see the amount of misunderstanding, errors
and falsehoods being propagated here, so felt I had to contribute.
Ultimately the reader must decide for themselves, but I will undoubtedly
tire of the role of a perforated messenger.
I would urge people to look elsewhere to gain a balanced view. David has
highlighted David Bartosik as being a respected commentator on Publisher -
look here:
http://msmvps.com/blogs/dbartosik/archive/2006/11/30/typical-questions...om-the-
I'll quote an extract from that page:
"How do I get my Publisher web pages to display correctly in all browsers?
Basically you don't. Publisher is designed to exploit the technologies of
the Internet Explorer browser. Support in a non Windows IE browser is
limited at best. It is a limitation of using Publisher for a web site."

David advocates making changes to your web page designs to work around the
problems which Publisher creates - ask yourself, why should you do that? A
tool is supposed to help you do things, not make it more difficult. Surely,
if it isn't good enough to do what you want, and the tool either isn't
necessary or there are better ones available - using a better tool would be
a sensible approach Publisher, after all, was never designed for or intended
to be seriously used for making web pages.

I may yet post a comment to one of Davids other recent rants but as it's
quite lengthy and nearly every sentence in it is wrong or misleading, I
simply don't have the time at the moment. Presumably unlike David I'm being
paid for the application of my expertise elsewhere.

David says he is wasting his time with my nonsense - I would say the
uninformed reader is setting themselves up for wasting a considerably larger
amount of their time, if not now in the future, having unquestioningly
followed the 'advice' often parroted here. As I write, many people are
having to make adjustments to their Publisher built web sites to make them
work with IE8. The pressure to sort this out will soon increase - Microsoft
have just announced that IE8 is to be rolled out as a forced update next
week. Coincidentally, they have also said a patch for Publisher will also be
out next week, but you can almost be certain you will have to do all this
again when IE9 comes out, and there will be no patches to fix the problems
with older versions of Publisher.
Standards? As David says, who needs them? Well - the truth is that
standards-based web pages will suffer none of these problems, and you could
update and fix them if necessary with virtually any standards based tool
(Notepad!). That's what they are for. If there is a problem with display in
any particular browser - then you can rest assured that the fault is with
the browser and not your web page.

> you *can*
> produce cross browser compatible webs with Publisher 2000, 2002, 2003 and
> 2007, *IF* you know how to use the program properly.

Repeating himself:
> You *can* build Publisher webs that are cross browser compatible. This is
> not an opinion...
Yes it is, and it's wrong. Try asking Google - you may find this:
http://www.boutell.com/newfaq/creating/crossbrowser.html and this:
http://www.boutell.com/newfaq/creating/mspublisher.html among umpteen
others.

The real position here is that the best you can hope to achieve is pages
that are readable in various browsers (which is not quite the same thing as
cross-browser compatible) if you *don't use* certain features of the
program which are known to cause problems. I wouldn't call that "using the
program properly" - you'll find nothing in the documentation on what
"properly" in this context means.

>In the end he can
> offer no facts or rational, logical reasons for not using Publisher to
> build webs,

Well, the facts that building web pages with Publisher causes people lots of
problems (which David is of course here to help with!) and generates
inefficient non-standard proprietary html which is at least ten times more
voluminous than it needs to be and often doesn't work in anything but
Microsoft's browser, and even sometimes in that - simply aren't good enough
for David, so what can I say.
Although I could also add that it's extremely limiting in what it allows you
to do do in your page designs as well, but it hardly seems worth it as it
still won't help. Rollovers, anyone? All those dangerous bits which you have
to put in embedded html fragments? Centreing pages properly? Being able to
determine the filenames of pages to match incoming links?
Finally, you cannot achieve valid compliant code, your pages will fail
accessibility tests and requirements, and here in the UK at least will
probably fall foul of the Disability Discrimination Act as a result and you
may lay yourself open to prosecution and heavy fines.
It's a long list and I could go on...

> With these things said, my goal in this group is to continue to provide
> people who post in this group all the information they need to make
> educated
> decisions about using Publisher to build their webs,

And when did he ever suggest that using a different tool or learning html
coding might be the best approach?

> However, I refuse to engage him directly...

Well from my point of view that looks rather more like self-preservation in
trying to avoid being made to look an idiot.
Your mileage may vary, but I'm sure that to more knowledgable readers he
actually manages to achieve that competently all by himself.

> He has also twisted and distorted my position about the choice of using
> Publisher to build webs.
No I haven't. I have simply highlighted the fact that your advice falls
somewhat short of the optimal in misleading people into thinking that
Publisher is a good tool to use by repeatedly saying that the problems it
generates are because of the failure of the user to "use it properly", which
is abject nonsense. Many people posting here are obviously just starting out
in using Publisher to make web pages - they deserve to be told that their
choice is not a good one for reasons which they are sure to discover for
themselves after spending innumerable hours going down the Publisher route.

Finally:
> I have refuted each and proved them all to be spurious.

I would be really interested to hear where any of those proofs are!
(Simple disagreement does not count as proof, by the way)

"DavidF" <Nope.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OVbLkU2vJHA.4724@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Maureen,
>
> The answer is a lot of practice.
>
> While I appreciate the fact that you and Don have chosen to defend me and
> confront this person, you should know that he already knows he is wrong.
> An
> IT professional? Maybe. Here to save the children from the evils of
> Publisher webs? Nonsense!
>
> He has already made all these irrational arguments against using Publisher
> to build webs before. I had a protracted 'debate' with him back in
> February
> in the general Publisher newsgroup about the suitability of using
> Publisher
> to build websites. Though I proved how untenable and irrational his
> positions and arguments are, I also created a personal enemy, and thus the
> attacks in this group. Here is a link to that thread:
> http://www.microsoft.com/office/community/en-us/default.mspx?&query=Er...James&l
>
> I won't reiterate everything that was said and 'debated' in that thread,
> but
> suffice it to say that he has already brought up most every possible
> reason
> and argument as to why someone should not use Publisher to build a web,
> and
> I have refuted each and proved them all to be spurious. In the end he can
> offer no facts or rational, logical reasons for not using Publisher to
> build
> webs, and that is why he has resorted to the personal attacks and name
> calling. That is why you have seen him getting increasingly more angry and
> frustrated as I have followed him around and corrected his misinformation.
> He is wrong and he knows it.
>
> His primary argument is that no one should use Publisher to build webs
> because Publisher does not produce 'standards compliant' html code. This
> is
> based on the premise and assumption that unless the code is 'standards
> compliant' you cannot achieve cross browser compatibility. This argument
> is
> flawed and wrong when it comes to Publisher webs.
>
> The bottom line is that in spite of the fact that the none of the
> different
> versions of Publisher produce 'standards compliant' html code, you *can*
> produce cross browser compatible webs with Publisher 2000, 2002, 2003 and
> 2007, *IF* you know how to use the program properly. He simply does not
> know
> how to use the programs correctly and continues to show his ignorance in
> most every post in this group.
>
> Over the past 5 years or so I and others in this group have addressed the
> issues of Publisher web cross browser compatibility and found most of the
> issues that cause problems are usually related to print publication
> formatting, layout and design techniques that are easily resolved by
> tweaking the layout or design slightly. What a user needs to understand is
> that Publisher cannot convert all print designs and formatting to html
> that
> is cross browser compatible, but that is true regardless of what tool you
> use. However, we have also found that if you avoid a few formatting and
> layout pitfalls, and tweak your pages so that they function correctly and
> look good in IE and FireFox, then they will also work in Opera and Safari
> and most other browsers.
>
> You *can* build Publisher webs that are cross browser compatible. This is
> not an opinion...it is a fact, and he can scream and yell and stomp his
> feet, attack me and try to scare people as much as he wants, and it won't
> change it.
>
> He has also twisted and distorted my position about the choice of using
> Publisher to build webs. To set things straight, my basic position is that
> the choice of whether to use Publisher for a web really depends on what
> the
> user's goals are for that web. If all they want is a relatively small,
> simple static, fixed width website, and if they already own and know how
> to
> use Publisher for print publications, then it can be a good choice to
> easily
> and quickly build a good looking, fully functional, relatively fast
> loading
> and crossbrowser compatible website. I also believe strongly that
> suggesting
> that a person *must* use a program that produces 'standards compliant'
> html code is simply overkill and unnecessary for what most people want to
> accomplish with Publisher.
>
> I am not saying that it is the best choice for everybody, and in fact
> frequently suggest to some people that they should use other programs when
> I
> feel they will not be able to achieve the goals they have for their sites.
> Anyone that reads this group on a regular basis knows this to be true. If
> you want more dynamic functionality or are planning a large site, then you
> might consider investing in a program such as Dreamweaver or Web
> Expression
> or other code editor programs, or perhaps a server side solution. But you
> will have to invest a lot of hours learning html coding, CSS and more to
> use
> those programs effectively and not everyone has either the time or the
> aptitude.
>
> With these things said, my goal in this group is to continue to provide
> people who post in this group all the information they need to make
> educated
> decisions about using Publisher to build their webs, and to help those
> people that do choose to use Publisher. When this person posts
> misinformation I will follow and clean up after him, and I would
> appreciate
> your help along with Don's, Spike's and the other regulars in the group.
> However, I refuse to engage him directly...I have wasted enough of my time
> with his nonsense.
>
> DavidF
>
> "MAURH" <???> wrote in message
> news:uGmtaQpvJHA.4452@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Tell us all Mr. James, have you always been this arrogant, condescending
>> and patronizing...or has it taken alot of practice?
>>
>>
>> "Eric James" <no.DeleteThis@mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:0iFFl.85435$AS.11647@newsfe03.ams2...
>>> There is only so much one person can achieve in the face of mob rule.
>>> I'm
>>> sure I'm not the first nor will be the last to at least try to bring
>>> some
>>> genuine enlightenment into this peculiar world. In the land of the
>>> blind,
>>> as they say, the one-eyed man is king.
>>> It's obviously hard to accept when a previously revered icon or belief
>>> is
>>> shown to be flawed, but that's progress and is the way of the world at
>>> large. Imagine the pain for the religious in realising that there is, in
>>> fact, no god.
>>> As far as "respect" goes, it has a context, and generally is not given
>>> gratis but needs to be earned. DavidF has admittedly lost any I might
>>> have given him in this field due to his repeated postings of misleading
>>> and erroneous information coupled with a dogged determination in
>>> refusing
>>> to recognise them as such in the face of overwhelming evidence. Some of
>>> it's fairly harmless, of course - here's the latest:
>>>
>>> -----
>>> The short answer is that IE8 does not render anything on a Pub 2003 or
>>> 2007
>>> page that is grouped together, and the navbar buttons are grouped
>>> together.
>>> While we wait for a patch from MSFT here is a workaround fix. Go to each
>>> page of your publication Edit > Select All and then Arrange > Ungroup.
>>> Now
>>> your buttons will show. If you would like a longer explanation of this,
>>> post
>>> back.
>>>
>>> DavidF
>>> -----
>>>
>>> The implication is clearly that the fault lies with IE8. It doesn't. The
>>> fault is with Publisher, and it's unlikely there will ever be a fix for
>>> Publisher 2003, or 2000, for that matter. And are they going to fix the
>>> problems in Firefox too? The best advice for a long-term solution for
>>> most people with their varieties of problems would be to use a better
>>> tool to make their web pages in future. Does he ever say that?
>>>
>>>
>>> "Don Schmidt" <Don Engineer.DeleteThis@PNB.Retired_1987> wrote in message
>>> news:D5Odnek786Jtk3rUnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@posted.palinacquisition...
>>>> Eric, so far you are the only one in this news group who is against the
>>>> use of the <center> code insert. Many of have used it for several
>>>> years
>>>> with satisfactory results.
>>>>
>>>> And you loose your credibility and bring into question your respect for
>>>> others when resulting to discourteous denunciation of a long standing
>>>> respected member of this Publisher group. If the many of us who use
>>>> the
>>>> <center> fix are out of step, in your view (and the W3C if you wish to
>>>> add them), at least were in unison together.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Don - Vancouver, USA - www.vanusa.org a Publisher 2000 website.
>>>> "May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Eric James" <no.DeleteThis@mail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:E4DFl.33080$8w1.2737@newsfe15.ams2...
>>>>> Can you believe this dim-witted idiot?
>>>>> 'One dissenting voice' and the entire weight of the W3C. What do they
>>>>> matter?
>>>>>
>>>>> And of course, the two web sites quoted have actually been highlighted
>>>>> as having cross-browser compatibility problems by their creators
>>>>> asking
>>>>> for help. It really doesn't get any more bizarre.
>>>>> Still, no doubt DavidF will still be here in a couple of years time,
>>>>> promising that the browser manufacturers will soon be issuing patches
>>>>> for their latest products so that your broken web pages will continue
>>>>> to work... And Google will of course assign a team to write special
>>>>> routines to parse and index your pages because they really wouldn't
>>>>> want to simply label your web sites as being incoherent gibberish,
>>>>> would they?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DavidF" <Nope.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%23TE0PFivJHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> RMG,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't let the one dissenting voice scare you. The method Spike and
>>>>>> Don
>>>>>> describe does work, works consistently and enjoys cross browser
>>>>>> support. We have been using this method with Publisher webs for
>>>>>> years.
>>>>>> Here are two examples:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.iosholiday.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.devonviewcaravans.co.uk/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DavidF
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "RMG" <RMG.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:9C4448C2-F500-484E-9EC5-08EAB62C0F39@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First of all, sorry for my english, but I have a doubt using MS
>>>>>>> Publisher.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a simple page done in Publisher just with 4 images and 3 text
>>>>>>> boxes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My question is how can I center that web page in the screen of the
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> that are visiting the website. ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your time!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> MS Publisher Web Designer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

Eric James · External Since: Apr 16, 2009 Posts: 8

> I don't think anyone gives credence to his criticism. It can be
> untrustworthy.
>

If there's anything I've said which you feel is incorrect please ask, and
given sufficient time I'll see if I can explain it to you.
I have to say though that I am getting a little tired of all this nonsense
when you can easily verify such things yourself, if you wish, which I'm sure
would be of much greater value to you than arguing with me.