Word does not exclude a word from the EXC file.

John Doue · External Since: Dec 20, 2004 Posts: 38

Hi,

I have a short .exc file which consists of seven words. Six of them do
show now when I check the spelling (french), the last one refuses to
trigger Word. I have checked that "surs" does not exist in my
custom.dic. Any ideas ? (Word 2003)

Here is a copy/paste of my file:

apparait
apparaitre
cout
noel
parait
paraitre
surs

Thanks
--
John Doue

Thierry Fontenelle [MSFT] · External Since: May 22, 2005 Posts: 7

Hello,

Have you installed the new French speller which can be downloaded from the
Office Update site? This new speller takes into account the French spelling
reform which is recommended by the French Academy (as well as by an
increasing number of linguistic authorities throughout the French-speaking
world). The words you cite below are nearly all impacted by this reform since
apparaitre, apparait, paraitre, parait and surs can be written without their
circumflex accent. (e.g. ils sont surs d'eux).

Note that a separate dialog box can also be downloaded if you wish to change
the settings (users are free to accept the new spelling, alongside the
traditional one, or stick to the traditional spelling and reject the new
one, or to accept both flavors (which is in keeping with the official
recommendations).

See our blog for all the relevant links:
http://blogs.msdn.com/CorrecteurOrthographiqueOffice/default.aspx

Thierry

Thierry Fontenelle [MSFT]
Speech and Natural Language Group

"John Doue" wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a short .exc file which consists of seven words. Six of them do
> show now when I check the spelling (french), the last one refuses to
> trigger Word. I have checked that "surs" does not exist in my
> custom.dic. Any ideas ? (Word 2003)
>
> Here is a copy/paste of my file:
>
> apparait
> apparaitre
> cout
> noel
> parait
> paraitre
> surs
>
>
> Thanks
> --
> John Doue
>

John Doue · External Since: Dec 20, 2004 Posts: 38

Thierry Fontenelle [MSFT] wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Have you installed the new French speller which can be downloaded from the
> Office Update site? This new speller takes into account the French spelling
> reform which is recommended by the French Academy (as well as by an
> increasing number of linguistic authorities throughout the French-speaking
> world). The words you cite below are nearly all impacted by this reform since
> apparaitre, apparait, paraitre, parait and surs can be written without their
> circumflex accent. (e.g. ils sont surs d'eux).
>
> Note that a separate dialog box can also be downloaded if you wish to change
> the settings (users are free to accept the new spelling, alongside the
> traditional one, or stick to the traditional spelling and reject the new
> one, or to accept both flavors (which is in keeping with the official
> recommendations).
>
> See our blog for all the relevant links:
> http://blogs.msdn.com/CorrecteurOrthographiqueOffice/default.aspx
>
> Thierry
>
> Thierry Fontenelle [MSFT]
> Speech and Natural Language Group
>
>
>
> "John Doue" wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I have a short .exc file which consists of seven words. Six of them do
>>show now when I check the spelling (french), the last one refuses to
>>trigger Word. I have checked that "surs" does not exist in my
>>custom.dic. Any ideas ? (Word 2003)
>>
>>Here is a copy/paste of my file:
>>
>>apparait
>>apparaitre
>>cout
>>noel
>>parait
>>paraitre
>>surs
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>--
>>John Doue
>>
Thierry,

Merci infiniment. You saved my day. Although I was convinced I had the
latest updates installed, the fact is I was wrong. The piece of info
about the French reform interface I had never seen anywhere else. Is the
choice made with it reversible at any time running the interface?

The fact remains that my EXC file did not work as expected (and I think
it should have regardless of the reform) just for one word? Shall we say
it is one of those things we have no time to loose on or is there an
explanation?

FWIW, my clients (and I, for one) do not care much about this reform and
I cannot afford to test them and see if ... they are more open-minded
than I am, being from the old school. As you surely know, most
continental French are very reluctant to adapt our language to modern
days, but insist on speaking it more and more poorly. When I object to
that, they claiming "le Français est une langue vivante, whether you
like it or not!) et il faut vivre avec son temps (what a nonsense
expression, is there an other way to live?).

Best regards and thanks again for the URL.

--
John Doue

Thierry Fontenelle [MSFT] · External Since: May 22, 2005 Posts: 7

Hello John,

You are welcome. I'm glad it was helpful.

As to the new speller, I don't think you'd like to revert to the previous
one when you've installed the new one (it's not just about the implementation
of the spelling reform, the lexicon has also been extended to include plenty
of new words, neologisms, feminine job titles are now recognized, there are
fewer "false flags", etc). You can still benefit from all these improvements
even if you don't want to apply the spelling reform proper: the downloadable
user interface I am referring to in my previous message enables you to go on
considering this "new" spelling as wrong if you wish (you just have to select
the "traditional spelling" button; personally, I prefer to stick to the
default setting which considers both the traditional spelling (apparaÃ®t,
connaÃ®t...) and the new spelling (apparait, reconnait...) as correct, in
keeping with the official recommendations, but this dialog box is offered to
allow users to make their own choice, since we are aware that not everyone is
willing to adopt this new spelling (note that more and more dictionaries
integrate it):

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=7C3B16CF-45F3...24-9D55

See also this for a few pointers to this spelling reform:
http://office.microsoft.com/fr-fr/assistance/HA011882161036.aspx

Best wishes,

Thierry Fontenelle [MSFT]
Microsoft Speech & Natural Language Group

"John Doue" wrote:

> >>
> Thierry,
>
> Merci infiniment. You saved my day. Although I was convinced I had the
> latest updates installed, the fact is I was wrong. The piece of info
> about the French reform interface I had never seen anywhere else. Is the
> choice made with it reversible at any time running the interface?
>

John Doue · External Since: Dec 20, 2004 Posts: 38

Thierry Fontenelle [MSFT] wrote:

> Hello John,
>
> You are welcome. I'm glad it was helpful.
>
> As to the new speller, I don't think you'd like to revert to the previous
> one when you've installed the new one (it's not just about the implementation
> of the spelling reform, the lexicon has also been extended to include plenty
> of new words, neologisms, feminine job titles are now recognized, there are
> fewer "false flags", etc). You can still benefit from all these improvements
> even if you don't want to apply the spelling reform proper: the downloadable
> user interface I am referring to in my previous message enables you to go on
> considering this "new" spelling as wrong if you wish (you just have to select
> the "traditional spelling" button; personally, I prefer to stick to the
> default setting which considers both the traditional spelling (apparaît,
> connaît...) and the new spelling (apparait, reconnait...) as correct, in
> keeping with the official recommendations, but this dialog box is offered to
> allow users to make their own choice, since we are aware that not everyone is
> willing to adopt this new spelling (note that more and more dictionaries
> integrate it):
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=7C3B16CF-45F3...24-9D55
>
> See also this for a few pointers to this spelling reform:
> http://office.microsoft.com/fr-fr/assistance/HA011882161036.aspx
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Thierry Fontenelle [MSFT]
> Microsoft Speech & Natural Language Group
>
> "John Doue" wrote:
>
>
>>Thierry,
>>
>>Merci infiniment. You saved my day. Although I was convinced I had the
>>latest updates installed, the fact is I was wrong. The piece of info
>>about the French reform interface I had never seen anywhere else. Is the
>>choice made with it reversible at any time running the interface?
>>
>
>
Thierry,

Thanks again. For consistency sake (an important concept in translations
and I am a translator), I will stick to the tradional setting which will
prevent me from writing the same word in two different manners in the
same document. Changing the setting is indeed easy. But one question
remains: regardless of this reform, if for some reason, I want to
exclude a word I consider inappropriate (and not incorrect), is it still
possible to use an EXC file to do it?

Regards

--
John Doue

Thierry Fontenelle [MSFT] · External Since: May 22, 2005 Posts: 7

John,
Yes, the philosophy of "exclude" files has not changed. Maybe the word
"surs" which you wanted to exclude should be followed by a new line in your
..exc file (it seems to be the last word in your list).

Thierry

"John Doue" wrote:

> Thierry Fontenelle [MSFT] wrote:
>
> > Hello John,
> >
> > You are welcome. I'm glad it was helpful.
> >
> > As to the new speller, I don't think you'd like to revert to the previous
> > one when you've installed the new one (it's not just about the implementation
> > of the spelling reform, the lexicon has also been extended to include plenty
> > of new words, neologisms, feminine job titles are now recognized, there are
> > fewer "false flags", etc). You can still benefit from all these improvements
> > even if you don't want to apply the spelling reform proper: the downloadable
> > user interface I am referring to in my previous message enables you to go on
> > considering this "new" spelling as wrong if you wish (you just have to select
> > the "traditional spelling" button; personally, I prefer to stick to the
> > default setting which considers both the traditional spelling (apparaÃ®t,
> > connaÃ®t...) and the new spelling (apparait, reconnait...) as correct, in
> > keeping with the official recommendations, but this dialog box is offered to
> > allow users to make their own choice, since we are aware that not everyone is
> > willing to adopt this new spelling (note that more and more dictionaries
> > integrate it):
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=7C3B16CF-45F3...24-9D55
> >
> > See also this for a few pointers to this spelling reform:
> > http://office.microsoft.com/fr-fr/assistance/HA011882161036.aspx
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Thierry Fontenelle [MSFT]
> > Microsoft Speech & Natural Language Group
> >
> > "John Doue" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Thierry,
> >>
> >>Merci infiniment. You saved my day. Although I was convinced I had the
> >>latest updates installed, the fact is I was wrong. The piece of info
> >>about the French reform interface I had never seen anywhere else. Is the
> >>choice made with it reversible at any time running the interface?
> >>
> >
> >
> Thierry,
>
> Thanks again. For consistency sake (an important concept in translations
> and I am a translator), I will stick to the tradional setting which will
> prevent me from writing the same word in two different manners in the
> same document. Changing the setting is indeed easy. But one question
> remains: regardless of this reform, if for some reason, I want to
> exclude a word I consider inappropriate (and not incorrect), is it still
> possible to use an EXC file to do it?
>
> Regards
>
> --
> John Doue
>

John Doue · External Since: Dec 20, 2004 Posts: 38

Thierry Fontenelle [MSFT] wrote:
> John,
> Yes, the philosophy of "exclude" files has not changed. Maybe the word
> "surs" which you wanted to exclude should be followed by a new line in your
> .exc file (it seems to be the last word in your list).
>
> Thierry
>
> "John Doue" wrote:
>
>
>>Thierry Fontenelle [MSFT] wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hello John,
>>>
>>>You are welcome. I'm glad it was helpful.
>>>
>>>As to the new speller, I don't think you'd like to revert to the previous
>>>one when you've installed the new one (it's not just about the implementation
>>>of the spelling reform, the lexicon has also been extended to include plenty
>>>of new words, neologisms, feminine job titles are now recognized, there are
>>>fewer "false flags", etc). You can still benefit from all these improvements
>>>even if you don't want to apply the spelling reform proper: the downloadable
>>>user interface I am referring to in my previous message enables you to go on
>>>considering this "new" spelling as wrong if you wish (you just have to select
>>>the "traditional spelling" button; personally, I prefer to stick to the
>>>default setting which considers both the traditional spelling (apparaît,
>>>connaît...) and the new spelling (apparait, reconnait...) as correct, in
>>>keeping with the official recommendations, but this dialog box is offered to
>>>allow users to make their own choice, since we are aware that not everyone is
>>>willing to adopt this new spelling (note that more and more dictionaries
>>>integrate it):
>>>
>>>http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=7C3B16CF-45F3-4C24-9D55-A73BEED4E08C&displaylang=en
>>>
>>>See also this for a few pointers to this spelling reform:
>>>http://office.microsoft.com/fr-fr/assistance/HA011882161036.aspx
>>>
>>>Best wishes,
>>>
>>>Thierry Fontenelle [MSFT]
>>>Microsoft Speech & Natural Language Group
>>>
>>>"John Doue" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Thierry,
>>>>
>>>>Merci infiniment. You saved my day. Although I was convinced I had the
>>>>latest updates installed, the fact is I was wrong. The piece of info
>>>>about the French reform interface I had never seen anywhere else. Is the
>>>>choice made with it reversible at any time running the interface?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Thierry,
>>
>>Thanks again. For consistency sake (an important concept in translations
>>and I am a translator), I will stick to the tradional setting which will
>>prevent me from writing the same word in two different manners in the
>>same document. Changing the setting is indeed easy. But one question
>>remains: regardless of this reform, if for some reason, I want to
>>exclude a word I consider inappropriate (and not incorrect), is it still
>>possible to use an EXC file to do it?
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>--
>>John Doue
>>
Thierry,

May be. I'll try that next time I need to exclude a word but chances
are, given the help you provided, it will not be because of an Academy
reform I object to ... !!!

--
John Doue