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Duffy Kuehn External

Since: Feb 02, 2007 Posts: 1
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:30 am Post subject: Page breaks errious with footnotes before a section break (page) Archived from groups: microsoft>public>word>application>errors (more info?) |
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Section 6 of a document is oriented as portrait, section 7 as landscape. To
get this working I have to insert a section break (page). So far, so good.
I inserted three footnotes on the last page of section 6, and now the
footnotes are not any longer displayed close to the bottom of the page but
there is quite a distance between the footer line and the last line of the
footnotes. To make things worse in this specific case there are now the last
two lines of section 6 on a new page although there is a lot of space left on
the page before.
For me it seems as Word calculates the space needed wrong (estimated double
the height actually needed, the distance grows when I put more text in the
footnotes).
It only happens on this specific page, all other footnotes are located
perfectly.
I tried already
- to insert a manual page break and a section break (continious) instead of
the section break (page) (doesn't work because word converts the section
break from continious to page since there is the change in orientation),
- to remove some footnotes (problem stays but the space varies as mentioned
related to the amount of text),
- to change Widow/ Orphan control of the last paragraph in section 6
(problem stays),
- to change the "Page break before" for the first line of section 7 (as it
is a chapter heading the style says so) (problem stays),
- to insert empty lines between the last lines of text and the section break
(problems stays until enough empty lines are inserted to move the section
break on a new page, which causes the footnotes to jump to the right position
of the original page but now I have a blank page in the document.)
To make things worse I can't create the same problem with a two page
document so that it would be easy for every one out there to see the problem.
So I could only show it to my colleagues at my company and no one could find
a solution. |
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Suzanne S. Barnhill External

Since: Sep 26, 2003 Posts: 23321
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:54 am Post subject: Re: Page breaks errious with footnotes before a section break (page) [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?) |
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Just to check: Do you have "Bottom of page" or "Beneath text" selected for
the footnote position? Assuming you have "Bottom of page" selected, I have
seen this problem once before, but I can't remember what the solution (if
any) turned out to be. What happens if you insert a Continuous section break
above the Next Page break?
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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
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"Duffy Kuehn" <Duffy Kuehn.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2AD4F990-7A19-45E5-A88F-3692040929D1@microsoft.com...
> Section 6 of a document is oriented as portrait, section 7 as landscape.
To
> get this working I have to insert a section break (page). So far, so good.
> I inserted three footnotes on the last page of section 6, and now the
> footnotes are not any longer displayed close to the bottom of the page but
> there is quite a distance between the footer line and the last line of the
> footnotes. To make things worse in this specific case there are now the
last
> two lines of section 6 on a new page although there is a lot of space left
on
> the page before.
> For me it seems as Word calculates the space needed wrong (estimated
double
> the height actually needed, the distance grows when I put more text in the
> footnotes).
> It only happens on this specific page, all other footnotes are located
> perfectly.
>
> I tried already
> - to insert a manual page break and a section break (continious) instead
of
> the section break (page) (doesn't work because word converts the section
> break from continious to page since there is the change in orientation),
> - to remove some footnotes (problem stays but the space varies as
mentioned
> related to the amount of text),
> - to change Widow/ Orphan control of the last paragraph in section 6
> (problem stays),
> - to change the "Page break before" for the first line of section 7 (as it
> is a chapter heading the style says so) (problem stays),
> - to insert empty lines between the last lines of text and the section
break
> (problems stays until enough empty lines are inserted to move the section
> break on a new page, which causes the footnotes to jump to the right
position
> of the original page but now I have a blank page in the document.)
>
> To make things worse I can't create the same problem with a two page
> document so that it would be easy for every one out there to see the
problem.
> So I could only show it to my colleagues at my company and no one could
find
> a solution.
> |
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Duffy Kuehn External

Since: Feb 06, 2007 Posts: 3
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:01 am Post subject: Re: Page breaks errious with footnotes before a section break (pag [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?) |
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> Just to check: Do you have "Bottom of page" or "Beneath text" selected for
> the footnote position?
Bottom of page.
> What happens if you insert a Continuous section break above the Next Page break?
It doesn't improve the situation. I also tried to change the (Next page) to
(Continuous) but Word doesn't allow this and change it back to (Next page) to
allow the change of orientation.
In the meantime I got a "dirty trick" to get my document "well" formated. I
lower the bottom page margin to 0. Word now thinks it has more space
available, moves the footnotes closer to (but still not next to) the footer
and gives space for the additional two lines. Drawback of this trick is that
the page margin is now 0 for all pages of the section. Surprisingly this
doesn't have any impact on the layout of the other pages, the main text still
breaks correctly over the footer or any footnotes there. |
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Suzanne S. Barnhill External

Since: Sep 26, 2003 Posts: 23321
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Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Page breaks errious with footnotes before a section break (pag [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?) |
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Surprisingly this
> doesn't have any impact on the layout of the other pages, the main text
still
> breaks correctly over the footer or any footnotes there.
If you don't change the footer margin, then footer text will override the
bottom margin.
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Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.
"Duffy Kuehn" <DuffyKuehn.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:DB3CD13C-5519-4DFD-AFCF-CCCB430587CD@microsoft.com...
> > Just to check: Do you have "Bottom of page" or "Beneath text" selected
for
> > the footnote position?
> Bottom of page.
> > What happens if you insert a Continuous section break above the Next
Page break?
> It doesn't improve the situation. I also tried to change the (Next page)
to
> (Continuous) but Word doesn't allow this and change it back to (Next page)
to
> allow the change of orientation.
>
> In the meantime I got a "dirty trick" to get my document "well" formated.
I
> lower the bottom page margin to 0. Word now thinks it has more space
> available, moves the footnotes closer to (but still not next to) the
footer
> and gives space for the additional two lines. Drawback of this trick is
that
> the page margin is now 0 for all pages of the section. Surprisingly this
> doesn't have any impact on the layout of the other pages, the main text
still
> breaks correctly over the footer or any footnotes there. |
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Duffy Kuehn External

Since: Feb 06, 2007 Posts: 3
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:17 am Post subject: Re: Page breaks errious with footnotes before a section break (pag [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?) |
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There was a good hint in your first email. I set the footnote option to
"below text" and now it works, naturally with the footnotes on the last page
moved some centimeters up but better than before as the two missing lines
found now their home on the first page.
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
> Surprisingly this
> > doesn't have any impact on the layout of the other pages, the main text
> still
> > breaks correctly over the footer or any footnotes there.
>
> If you don't change the footer margin, then footer text will override the
> bottom margin.
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
> Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
> all may benefit.
>
> "Duffy Kuehn" <DuffyKuehn.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:DB3CD13C-5519-4DFD-AFCF-CCCB430587CD@microsoft.com...
> > > Just to check: Do you have "Bottom of page" or "Beneath text" selected
> for
> > > the footnote position?
> > Bottom of page.
> > > What happens if you insert a Continuous section break above the Next
> Page break?
> > It doesn't improve the situation. I also tried to change the (Next page)
> to
> > (Continuous) but Word doesn't allow this and change it back to (Next page)
> to
> > allow the change of orientation.
> >
> > In the meantime I got a "dirty trick" to get my document "well" formated.
> I
> > lower the bottom page margin to 0. Word now thinks it has more space
> > available, moves the footnotes closer to (but still not next to) the
> footer
> > and gives space for the additional two lines. Drawback of this trick is
> that
> > the page margin is now 0 for all pages of the section. Surprisingly this
> > doesn't have any impact on the layout of the other pages, the main text
> still
> > breaks correctly over the footer or any footnotes there.
>
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Suzanne S. Barnhill External

Since: Sep 26, 2003 Posts: 23321
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Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Page breaks errious with footnotes before a section break (pag [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?) |
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Still not really a satisfactory solution. I wish I could remember whether
any solution was found in the previous cases where I saw this behavior.
--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.
"Duffy Kuehn" <DuffyKuehn RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A55B91A7-719D-45C0-B728-875C7AEA6B43@microsoft.com...
> There was a good hint in your first email. I set the footnote option to
> "below text" and now it works, naturally with the footnotes on the last
page
> moved some centimeters up but better than before as the two missing lines
> found now their home on the first page.
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
>
> > Surprisingly this
> > > doesn't have any impact on the layout of the other pages, the main
text
> > still
> > > breaks correctly over the footer or any footnotes there.
> >
> > If you don't change the footer margin, then footer text will override
the
> > bottom margin.
> >
> > --
> > Suzanne S. Barnhill
> > Microsoft MVP (Word)
> > Words into Type
> > Fairhope, Alabama USA
> > Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
> > Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup so
> > all may benefit.
> >
> > "Duffy Kuehn" <DuffyKuehn RemoveThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:DB3CD13C-5519-4DFD-AFCF-CCCB430587CD@microsoft.com...
> > > > Just to check: Do you have "Bottom of page" or "Beneath text"
selected
> > for
> > > > the footnote position?
> > > Bottom of page.
> > > > What happens if you insert a Continuous section break above the Next
> > Page break?
> > > It doesn't improve the situation. I also tried to change the (Next
page)
> > to
> > > (Continuous) but Word doesn't allow this and change it back to (Next
page)
> > to
> > > allow the change of orientation.
> > >
> > > In the meantime I got a "dirty trick" to get my document "well"
formated.
> > I
> > > lower the bottom page margin to 0. Word now thinks it has more space
> > > available, moves the footnotes closer to (but still not next to) the
> > footer
> > > and gives space for the additional two lines. Drawback of this trick
is
> > that
> > > the page margin is now 0 for all pages of the section. Surprisingly
this
> > > doesn't have any impact on the layout of the other pages, the main
text
> > still
> > > breaks correctly over the footer or any footnotes there.
> >
> > |
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Duffy Kuehn External

Since: Feb 06, 2007 Posts: 3
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Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:45 am Post subject: I'm happy with the solution [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?) |
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Most people will not realise the change. I didn't like the workaround several
people at work came up with to lower the bottom page margin to zero or even
below to "fix" it.
When I see this I feel sad with Microsoft's developer that have to taken
such users into acount and still keep footnotes and footer in correct place.
Therefore no problem anymore, might be that this bug has been fixed in
Office 2007.
"Suzanne S. Barnhill" wrote:
> Still not really a satisfactory solution. I wish I could remember whether
> any solution was found in the previous cases where I saw this behavior.
>> I set the footnote option to "below text" and now it works, naturally with the
>> footnotes on the last page moved some centimeters up but better than before
>> as the two missing lines found now their home on the first page. |
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