Help!

Odd Special Character Display


Post new topic   General Reply to Topic (not reply to a specific post)    Forums Home -> Printing Fonts RSS
Next:  Times New Roman font file corrupted.  
Author Message
PJB
External


Since: Sep 21, 2005
Posts: 2



PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:21 pm    Post subject: Odd Special Character Display
Archived from groups: microsoft>public>word>printingfonts (more info?)

I am confused how MS Word 2003 manages special characters. On my system (XP
Pro)a document that contains smart quotes and en and em dashes looks OK. On
my client's system they appear -- and print -- as Greek characters or
others. I have loaded my client's printer drivers and the documents still
look OK on my system. Sometimes, when I create PDF files, the same
characters are substituted for the special characters.

Admittedly, I tend to create my documents in WordPerfect 12 and then import
the document into MS Word for final formatting -- page breaks, headers,
footers, page numbers, and table of contents, etc. WordPerfect can reproduce
these special characters a number of ways -- either as smart quotes as I
type -- like MS Word -- or inserted as a typographic symbols or as an ASCII
code using the current font in use. I tend for the first two options.

MS Word allows for short cut key combinations (For example, the em dash is a
special character: Alt+Ctrl+Num - or the shortcut key Alt+0151 (the same
code under WP12)). Alternatively, it can be inserted using the symbol font.

Given the similarities, why do special characters display differently on
different computers? WP12's default code page is 1252 Windows US Standard. I
expect it is the same for Word 2003.

I work better in WP12 and use MS Word only for certain clients. I find the
latter a bit quirky. I consider myself an advanced user of both programs.

Thoughts and opinions?
Back to top
Suzanne S. Barnhill
External


Since: Sep 26, 2003
Posts: 23321



PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Odd Special Character Display [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

If you are using WP to create your documents, it is using the WP Typographic
Symbols font for the quotes and dashes. You have this font on your computer;
your recipients don't. I would see if there is some option in WP to use the
characters built into the font instead of the symbols from this specific
font.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"PJB" <pjb2 DeleteThis @canadaSTOPSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:YZednW1dWp1qQazeRVn-iQ@rogers.com...
> I am confused how MS Word 2003 manages special characters. On my system
(XP
> Pro)a document that contains smart quotes and en and em dashes looks OK.
On
> my client's system they appear -- and print -- as Greek characters or
> others. I have loaded my client's printer drivers and the documents still
> look OK on my system. Sometimes, when I create PDF files, the same
> characters are substituted for the special characters.
>
> Admittedly, I tend to create my documents in WordPerfect 12 and then
import
> the document into MS Word for final formatting -- page breaks, headers,
> footers, page numbers, and table of contents, etc. WordPerfect can
reproduce
> these special characters a number of ways -- either as smart quotes as I
> type -- like MS Word -- or inserted as a typographic symbols or as an
ASCII
> code using the current font in use. I tend for the first two options.
>
> MS Word allows for short cut key combinations (For example, the em dash is
a
> special character: Alt+Ctrl+Num - or the shortcut key Alt+0151 (the same
> code under WP12)). Alternatively, it can be inserted using the symbol
font.
>
> Given the similarities, why do special characters display differently on
> different computers? WP12's default code page is 1252 Windows US Standard.
I
> expect it is the same for Word 2003.
>
> I work better in WP12 and use MS Word only for certain clients. I find the
> latter a bit quirky. I consider myself an advanced user of both programs.
>
> Thoughts and opinions?
>
>
Back to top
Matti Ponkamo
External


Since: Sep 22, 2005
Posts: 3



PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Odd Special Character Display [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Word 2000 (and CorelDraw 11) causes similar problems
when creating and then printing pdf files.
The mystery is that the greek characters only seem to
appear when printing the first time. Other printouts
are O.K.
The printers I use are of different type, HP (one laser
and two different models of inkjets), Nashuatec (laser)
and OKI (laser). I don't think the printer drivers do
this.

Any ideas why this happens?

Matti P.


"PJB" <pjb2.DeleteThis@canadaSTOPSPAM.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:YZednW1dWp1qQazeRVn-iQ@rogers.com...
>I am confused how MS Word 2003 manages special characters. On my system (XP
>Pro)a document that contains smart quotes and en and em dashes looks OK. On
>my client's system they appear -- and print -- as Greek characters or
>others. I have loaded my client's printer drivers and the documents still
>look OK on my system. Sometimes, when I create PDF files, the same
>characters are substituted for the special characters.
>
> Admittedly, I tend to create my documents in WordPerfect 12 and then
> import the document into MS Word for final formatting -- page breaks,
> headers, footers, page numbers, and table of contents, etc. WordPerfect
> can reproduce these special characters a number of ways -- either as smart
> quotes as I type -- like MS Word -- or inserted as a typographic symbols
> or as an ASCII code using the current font in use. I tend for the first
> two options.
>
> MS Word allows for short cut key combinations (For example, the em dash is
> a special character: Alt+Ctrl+Num - or the shortcut key Alt+0151 (the
> same code under WP12)). Alternatively, it can be inserted using the symbol
> font.
>
> Given the similarities, why do special characters display differently on
> different computers? WP12's default code page is 1252 Windows US Standard.
> I expect it is the same for Word 2003.
>
> I work better in WP12 and use MS Word only for certain clients. I find the
> latter a bit quirky. I consider myself an advanced user of both programs.
>
> Thoughts and opinions?
Back to top
Klaus Linke
External


Since: Dec 18, 2003
Posts: 503



PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Odd Special Character Display [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Hi Matti,

As Suzanne indicated, the Symbol font (with its Greek characters) is used
instead of the WP Typographic Symbols font.
If it's just a printing/PDF problem in your case (that is, the symbols show
fine on screen), you could check the printer settings and make sure that the
Word fonts are used (say, "Print TrueType as graphics" or similar settings,
or font embedding options for PDF).

Regards,
Klaus


"Matti Ponkamo" <mattipoN05PAM.RemoveThis@luukku.com> wrote:
> Word 2000 (and CorelDraw 11) causes similar problems
> when creating and then printing pdf files.
> The mystery is that the greek characters only seem to
> appear when printing the first time. Other printouts
> are O.K.
> The printers I use are of different type, HP (one laser
> and two different models of inkjets), Nashuatec (laser)
> and OKI (laser). I don't think the printer drivers do
> this.
>
> Any ideas why this happens?
>
> Matti P.
>
>
> "PJB" <pjb2.RemoveThis@canadaSTOPSPAM.com> kirjoitti
> viestissä:YZednW1dWp1qQazeRVn-iQ@rogers.com...
>>I am confused how MS Word 2003 manages special characters. On my system
>>(XP Pro)a document that contains smart quotes and en and em dashes looks
>>OK. On my client's system they appear -- and print -- as Greek characters
>>or others. I have loaded my client's printer drivers and the documents
>>still look OK on my system. Sometimes, when I create PDF files, the same
>>characters are substituted for the special characters.
>>
>> Admittedly, I tend to create my documents in WordPerfect 12 and then
>> import the document into MS Word for final formatting -- page breaks,
>> headers, footers, page numbers, and table of contents, etc. WordPerfect
>> can reproduce these special characters a number of ways -- either as
>> smart quotes as I type -- like MS Word -- or inserted as a typographic
>> symbols or as an ASCII code using the current font in use. I tend for the
>> first two options.
>>
>> MS Word allows for short cut key combinations (For example, the em dash
>> is a special character: Alt+Ctrl+Num - or the shortcut key Alt+0151 (the
>> same code under WP12)). Alternatively, it can be inserted using the
>> symbol font.
>>
>> Given the similarities, why do special characters display differently on
>> different computers? WP12's default code page is 1252 Windows US
>> Standard. I expect it is the same for Word 2003.
>>
>> I work better in WP12 and use MS Word only for certain clients. I find
>> the latter a bit quirky. I consider myself an advanced user of both
>> programs.
>>
>> Thoughts and opinions?
>
>
Back to top
Matti Ponkamo
External


Since: Sep 22, 2005
Posts: 3



PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: Odd Special Character Display [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Thanks Klaus,

I'll have a look at the settings. (Changing the font embedding
options have no effect.)

Matti P.


"Klaus Linke" <info.DeleteThis@fotosatz-kaufmann.de> wrote:
> Hi Matti,
>
> As Suzanne indicated, the Symbol font (with its Greek characters) is used
> instead of the WP Typographic Symbols font.
> If it's just a printing/PDF problem in your case (that is, the symbols
> show fine on screen), you could check the printer settings and make sure
> that the Word fonts are used (say, "Print TrueType as graphics" or similar
> settings, or font embedding options for PDF).
>
> Regards,
> Klaus
>
>
> "Matti Ponkamo" <mattipoN05PAM.DeleteThis@luukku.com> wrote:
>> Word 2000 (and CorelDraw 11) causes similar problems
>> when creating and then printing pdf files.
>> The mystery is that the greek characters only seem to
>> appear when printing the first time. Other printouts
>> are O.K.
>> The printers I use are of different type, HP (one laser
>> and two different models of inkjets), Nashuatec (laser)
>> and OKI (laser). I don't think the printer drivers do
>> this.
>>
>> Any ideas why this happens?
>>
>> Matti P.
>>
Back to top
PJB
External


Since: Sep 21, 2005
Posts: 2



PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Odd Special Character Display [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

After some thought and experimentation, I tried deleting any
WordPerfect-specific fonts -- any font with a WP prefix.

The result duplicated the troubles I was having with my documents displaying
the wrong characters on my client's computers. The root cause of the problem
is WP fonts. The program works fine without them. The symbol codes for en,
em, and smart quotes, etc. are still the same but they now display and print
properly if I do not use the default WP character sets.



"Matti Ponkamo" <mattipoN05PAM.RemoveThis@luukku.com> wrote in message
news:xM6%e.45$xG6.4@read3.inet.fi...
> Thanks Klaus,
>
> I'll have a look at the settings. (Changing the font embedding
> options have no effect.)
>
> Matti P.
>
>
> "Klaus Linke" <info.RemoveThis@fotosatz-kaufmann.de> wrote:
>> Hi Matti,
>>
>> As Suzanne indicated, the Symbol font (with its Greek characters) is used
>> instead of the WP Typographic Symbols font.
>> If it's just a printing/PDF problem in your case (that is, the symbols
>> show fine on screen), you could check the printer settings and make sure
>> that the Word fonts are used (say, "Print TrueType as graphics" or
>> similar settings, or font embedding options for PDF).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Klaus
>>
>>
>> "Matti Ponkamo" <mattipoN05PAM.RemoveThis@luukku.com> wrote:
>>> Word 2000 (and CorelDraw 11) causes similar problems
>>> when creating and then printing pdf files.
>>> The mystery is that the greek characters only seem to
>>> appear when printing the first time. Other printouts
>>> are O.K.
>>> The printers I use are of different type, HP (one laser
>>> and two different models of inkjets), Nashuatec (laser)
>>> and OKI (laser). I don't think the printer drivers do
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Any ideas why this happens?
>>>
>>> Matti P.
>>>
>
>
Back to top
Suzanne S. Barnhill
External


Since: Sep 26, 2003
Posts: 23321



PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2005 11:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Odd Special Character Display [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Thanks for the feedback.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
Word MVP FAQ site: http://word.mvps.org
Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup so
all may benefit.

"PJB" <pjb2.RemoveThis@canadaSTOPSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:1vWdnTHSl-lAcdjenZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@rogers.com...
> After some thought and experimentation, I tried deleting any
> WordPerfect-specific fonts -- any font with a WP prefix.
>
> The result duplicated the troubles I was having with my documents
displaying
> the wrong characters on my client's computers. The root cause of the
problem
> is WP fonts. The program works fine without them. The symbol codes for en,
> em, and smart quotes, etc. are still the same but they now display and
print
> properly if I do not use the default WP character sets.
>
>
>
> "Matti Ponkamo" <mattipoN05PAM.RemoveThis@luukku.com> wrote in message
> news:xM6%e.45$xG6.4@read3.inet.fi...
> > Thanks Klaus,
> >
> > I'll have a look at the settings. (Changing the font embedding
> > options have no effect.)
> >
> > Matti P.
> >
> >
> > "Klaus Linke" <info.RemoveThis@fotosatz-kaufmann.de> wrote:
> >> Hi Matti,
> >>
> >> As Suzanne indicated, the Symbol font (with its Greek characters) is
used
> >> instead of the WP Typographic Symbols font.
> >> If it's just a printing/PDF problem in your case (that is, the symbols
> >> show fine on screen), you could check the printer settings and make
sure
> >> that the Word fonts are used (say, "Print TrueType as graphics" or
> >> similar settings, or font embedding options for PDF).
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Klaus
> >>
> >>
> >> "Matti Ponkamo" <mattipoN05PAM.RemoveThis@luukku.com> wrote:
> >>> Word 2000 (and CorelDraw 11) causes similar problems
> >>> when creating and then printing pdf files.
> >>> The mystery is that the greek characters only seem to
> >>> appear when printing the first time. Other printouts
> >>> are O.K.
> >>> The printers I use are of different type, HP (one laser
> >>> and two different models of inkjets), Nashuatec (laser)
> >>> and OKI (laser). I don't think the printer drivers do
> >>> this.
> >>>
> >>> Any ideas why this happens?
> >>>
> >>> Matti P.
> >>>
> >
> >
>
>
Back to top
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   General Reply to Topic (not reply to a specific post)    Forums Home -> Printing Fonts All times are: Eastern Time (US & Canada) (change)
Page 1 of 1

 
You can post new topics in this forum
You can reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum