MS-Word 2007 is re-ordering tables

John Penton · External Since: Sep 08, 2009 Posts: 2

I have a fairly straightforward document - text and inline tables -
though I have double line spacing and the tables are multi-page.
However, in a number of cases a table is getting munged - it exists
after a paragraph, and yet the first row of the table is being placed
at the top (right at the top) of the page before some or all of the
paragraph. A large amount of whitespace is left, then the end of the
paragraph and then (on the next page) the rest of the table.

"Allow row to break..." seems to work as expected - I either get some
or all of the first table row in the wrong place (though there is more
than enough space for all of it.
"Repeat as header row..." is _not_ on - and in any case, I wouldn't
expect this feature to move the header row beforw the preceding
paragraph.
The various paragraph controls "Widow/orphan", "Keep with..." etc.
appear to have no effect.

In one case I was able to fix this by changing the number of carriage
returns between the paragraph and the table, but it is not working in
all cases.

Anyone got any idea what is going on - or more importantly how I might
fix it.

John

DeanH · External Since: Aug 21, 2006 Posts: 133

Not heard of this problem, but I am wondering if it could be the result of
having certain buttons added to the Quick Access Toolbar (QAT). Buttons known
to cause blue shading in table cells are â€œDifferent first pageâ€ and
â€œDifferent odd and evenâ€ and could be the cause of this starnge problem you
are experiencing. If you have one or both of these buttons added, try to
remove them. If that does not solve the problem, try to remove any other
buttons added to the QAT one by
one to see whether that helps.
Hope this helps
DeanH

"John Penton" wrote:

>
> I have a fairly straightforward document - text and inline tables -
> though I have double line spacing and the tables are multi-page.
> However, in a number of cases a table is getting munged - it exists
> after a paragraph, and yet the first row of the table is being placed
> at the top (right at the top) of the page before some or all of the
> paragraph. A large amount of whitespace is left, then the end of the
> paragraph and then (on the next page) the rest of the table.
>
> "Allow row to break..." seems to work as expected - I either get some
> or all of the first table row in the wrong place (though there is more
> than enough space for all of it.
> "Repeat as header row..." is _not_ on - and in any case, I wouldn't
> expect this feature to move the header row beforw the preceding
> paragraph.
> The various paragraph controls "Widow/orphan", "Keep with..." etc.
> appear to have no effect.
>
> In one case I was able to fix this by changing the number of carriage
> returns between the paragraph and the table, but it is not working in
> all cases.
>
> Anyone got any idea what is going on - or more importantly how I might
> fix it.
>
> John
>

John Penton · External Since: Sep 08, 2009 Posts: 2

On 8 Sep, 13:03, DeanH <De... DeleteThis @discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> "John Penton" wrote:
> > I have a fairly straightforward document - text and inline tables -
> > though I have double line spacing and the tables are multi-page.
> > However, in a number of cases a table is getting munged - it exists
> > after a paragraph, and yet the first row of the table is being placed
> > at the top (right at the top) of the page before some or all of the
> > paragraph. A large amount of whitespace is left, then the end of the
> > paragraph and then (on the next page) the rest of the table.

> Not heard of this problem, but I am wondering if it could be the result of
> having certain buttons added to the Quick Access Toolbar (QAT). Buttons known
> to cause blue shading in table cells are “Different first page” and
> “Different odd and even” and could be the cause of this starnge problem you
> are experiencing. If you have one or both of these buttons added, try to
> remove them. If that does not solve the problem, try to remove any other
> buttons added to the QAT one by
> one to see whether that helps.

Just checked (had to look up exactly which one was the QAT) - there
are no buttons on it apart from the defaults (Save/Undo/Redo).

Sad

John

Suzanne S. Barnhill · External Since: Sep 26, 2003 Posts: 24065

Wow! You haven't customized your QAT at all?

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"John Penton" <john.penton.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On 8 Sep, 13:03, DeanH <De....DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> "John Penton" wrote:
> > I have a fairly straightforward document - text and inline tables -
> > though I have double line spacing and the tables are multi-page.
> > However, in a number of cases a table is getting munged - it exists
> > after a paragraph, and yet the first row of the table is being placed
> > at the top (right at the top) of the page before some or all of the
> > paragraph. A large amount of whitespace is left, then the end of the
> > paragraph and then (on the next page) the rest of the table.

> Not heard of this problem, but I am wondering if it could be the result of
> having certain buttons added to the Quick Access Toolbar (QAT). Buttons
> known
> to cause blue shading in table cells are “Different first page” and
> “Different odd and even” and could be the cause of this starnge problem
> you
> are experiencing. If you have one or both of these buttons added, try to
> remove them. If that does not solve the problem, try to remove any other
> buttons added to the QAT one by
> one to see whether that helps.

Just checked (had to look up exactly which one was the QAT) - there
are no buttons on it apart from the defaults (Save/Undo/Redo).

Sad

John

Stefan Blom · External Since: May 08, 2009 Posts: 214

I'm surprised you find this surprising. I believe many users don't change
the default settings at all. Also, the QAT is more or less hiding above the
ribbon (by default), which probably means not many people pay attention to
it.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill.DeleteThis@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23U0jIv6MKHA.3412@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Wow! You haven't customized your QAT at all?
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
> http://word.mvps.org
>
> "John Penton" <john.penton.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:a811a706-039d-470f-8d3a-b0a4a9d12fe5@o9g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On 8 Sep, 13:03, DeanH <De....DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>> "John Penton" wrote:
>> > I have a fairly straightforward document - text and inline tables -
>> > though I have double line spacing and the tables are multi-page.
>> > However, in a number of cases a table is getting munged - it exists
>> > after a paragraph, and yet the first row of the table is being placed
>> > at the top (right at the top) of the page before some or all of the
>> > paragraph. A large amount of whitespace is left, then the end of the
>> > paragraph and then (on the next page) the rest of the table.
>
>> Not heard of this problem, but I am wondering if it could be the result
>> of
>> having certain buttons added to the Quick Access Toolbar (QAT). Buttons
>> known
>> to cause blue shading in table cells are “Different first page” and
>> “Different odd and even” and could be the cause of this starnge problem
>> you
>> are experiencing. If you have one or both of these buttons added, try to
>> remove them. If that does not solve the problem, try to remove any other
>> buttons added to the QAT one by
>> one to see whether that helps.
>
> Just checked (had to look up exactly which one was the QAT) - there
> are no buttons on it apart from the defaults (Save/Undo/Redo).
>
> Sad

>
> John
>

Suzanne S. Barnhill · External Since: Sep 26, 2003 Posts: 24065

I just don't see how anyone could use Word 2007 without adding a LOT of
buttons to the QAT. I'm hardly using it at all, and I've added 23 buttons or
other items, including a link to custom toolbars.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" <StefanBlom.TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:OuM1oK9MKHA.5072@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> I'm surprised you find this surprising. I believe many users don't change
> the default settings at all. Also, the QAT is more or less hiding above
> the ribbon (by default), which probably means not many people pay
> attention to it.
>
> --
> Stefan Blom
> Microsoft Word MVP
>
>
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill.TakeThisOut@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23U0jIv6MKHA.3412@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Wow! You haven't customized your QAT at all?
>>
>> --
>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> Words into Type
>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>> http://word.mvps.org
>>
>> "John Penton" <john.penton.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:a811a706-039d-470f-8d3a-b0a4a9d12fe5@o9g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>> On 8 Sep, 13:03, DeanH <De....TakeThisOut@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> "John Penton" wrote:
>>> > I have a fairly straightforward document - text and inline tables -
>>> > though I have double line spacing and the tables are multi-page.
>>> > However, in a number of cases a table is getting munged - it exists
>>> > after a paragraph, and yet the first row of the table is being placed
>>> > at the top (right at the top) of the page before some or all of the
>>> > paragraph. A large amount of whitespace is left, then the end of the
>>> > paragraph and then (on the next page) the rest of the table.
>>
>>> Not heard of this problem, but I am wondering if it could be the result
>>> of
>>> having certain buttons added to the Quick Access Toolbar (QAT). Buttons
>>> known
>>> to cause blue shading in table cells are “Different first page” and
>>> “Different odd and even” and could be the cause of this starnge problem
>>> you
>>> are experiencing. If you have one or both of these buttons added, try to
>>> remove them. If that does not solve the problem, try to remove any other
>>> buttons added to the QAT one by
>>> one to see whether that helps.
>>
>> Just checked (had to look up exactly which one was the QAT) - there
>> are no buttons on it apart from the defaults (Save/Undo/Redo).
>>
>> Sad

>>
>> John
>>
>
>
>
>

Stefan Blom · External Since: May 08, 2009 Posts: 214

I use Word 2007 a lot more than Word 2003 nowadays, and I have only added
Style, Font, and Font Size (and a few more buttons that run macros) to the
QAT...

However, my point was that I think that most users do *not* customize Word
at all.

--
Stefan Blom
Microsoft Word MVP

"Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill.DeleteThis@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%23oklpP9MKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I just don't see how anyone could use Word 2007 without adding a LOT of
>buttons to the QAT. I'm hardly using it at all, and I've added 23 buttons
>or other items, including a link to custom toolbars.
>
> --
> Suzanne S. Barnhill
> Microsoft MVP (Word)
> Words into Type
> Fairhope, Alabama USA
> http://word.mvps.org
>
> "Stefan Blom" <StefanBlom.DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:OuM1oK9MKHA.5072@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> I'm surprised you find this surprising. I believe many users don't change
>> the default settings at all. Also, the QAT is more or less hiding above
>> the ribbon (by default), which probably means not many people pay
>> attention to it.
>>
>> --
>> Stefan Blom
>> Microsoft Word MVP
>>
>>
>>
>> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill.DeleteThis@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:%23U0jIv6MKHA.3412@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Wow! You haven't customized your QAT at all?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>>> Words into Type
>>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>>> http://word.mvps.org
>>>
>>> "John Penton" <john.penton.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:a811a706-039d-470f-8d3a-b0a4a9d12fe5@o9g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 8 Sep, 13:03, DeanH <De....DeleteThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>> "John Penton" wrote:
>>>> > I have a fairly straightforward document - text and inline tables -
>>>> > though I have double line spacing and the tables are multi-page.
>>>> > However, in a number of cases a table is getting munged - it exists
>>>> > after a paragraph, and yet the first row of the table is being placed
>>>> > at the top (right at the top) of the page before some or all of the
>>>> > paragraph. A large amount of whitespace is left, then the end of the
>>>> > paragraph and then (on the next page) the rest of the table.
>>>
>>>> Not heard of this problem, but I am wondering if it could be the result
>>>> of
>>>> having certain buttons added to the Quick Access Toolbar (QAT). Buttons
>>>> known
>>>> to cause blue shading in table cells are “Different first page” and
>>>> “Different odd and even” and could be the cause of this starnge problem
>>>> you
>>>> are experiencing. If you have one or both of these buttons added, try
>>>> to
>>>> remove them. If that does not solve the problem, try to remove any
>>>> other
>>>> buttons added to the QAT one by
>>>> one to see whether that helps.
>>>
>>> Just checked (had to look up exactly which one was the QAT) - there
>>> are no buttons on it apart from the defaults (Save/Undo/Redo).
>>>
>>> Sad

>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Suzanne S. Barnhill · External Since: Sep 26, 2003 Posts: 24065

Among the first I added were Open, Close, and New (actually two different
New buttons), followed by Properties, Style, Word Options, Insert Symbol,
Insert Frame, AutoFormat, E-Mail (Send as Attachment), and a few others.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA
http://word.mvps.org

"Stefan Blom" <StefanBlom.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:%23%23C6ph9MKHA.508@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I use Word 2007 a lot more than Word 2003 nowadays, and I have only added
> Style, Font, and Font Size (and a few more buttons that run macros) to the
> QAT...
>
> However, my point was that I think that most users do *not* customize Word
> at all.
>
> --
> Stefan Blom
> Microsoft Word MVP
>
>
>
> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill.RemoveThis@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:%23oklpP9MKHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I just don't see how anyone could use Word 2007 without adding a LOT of
>>buttons to the QAT. I'm hardly using it at all, and I've added 23 buttons
>>or other items, including a link to custom toolbars.
>>
>> --
>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>> Words into Type
>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>> http://word.mvps.org
>>
>> "Stefan Blom" <StefanBlom.RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:OuM1oK9MKHA.5072@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> I'm surprised you find this surprising. I believe many users don't
>>> change
>>> the default settings at all. Also, the QAT is more or less hiding above
>>> the ribbon (by default), which probably means not many people pay
>>> attention to it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stefan Blom
>>> Microsoft Word MVP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Suzanne S. Barnhill" <sbarnhill.RemoveThis@mvps.org> wrote in message
>>> news:%23U0jIv6MKHA.3412@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Wow! You haven't customized your QAT at all?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Suzanne S. Barnhill
>>>> Microsoft MVP (Word)
>>>> Words into Type
>>>> Fairhope, Alabama USA
>>>> http://word.mvps.org
>>>>
>>>> "John Penton" <john.penton.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:a811a706-039d-470f-8d3a-b0a4a9d12fe5@o9g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On 8 Sep, 13:03, DeanH <De....RemoveThis@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>> "John Penton" wrote:
>>>>> > I have a fairly straightforward document - text and inline tables -
>>>>> > though I have double line spacing and the tables are multi-page.
>>>>> > However, in a number of cases a table is getting munged - it exists
>>>>> > after a paragraph, and yet the first row of the table is being
>>>>> > placed
>>>>> > at the top (right at the top) of the page before some or all of the
>>>>> > paragraph. A large amount of whitespace is left, then the end of
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > paragraph and then (on the next page) the rest of the table.
>>>>
>>>>> Not heard of this problem, but I am wondering if it could be the
>>>>> result
>>>>> of
>>>>> having certain buttons added to the Quick Access Toolbar (QAT).
>>>>> Buttons
>>>>> known
>>>>> to cause blue shading in table cells are “Different first page” and
>>>>> “Different odd and even” and could be the cause of this starnge
>>>>> problem
>>>>> you
>>>>> are experiencing. If you have one or both of these buttons added, try
>>>>> to
>>>>> remove them. If that does not solve the problem, try to remove any
>>>>> other
>>>>> buttons added to the QAT one by
>>>>> one to see whether that helps.
>>>>
>>>> Just checked (had to look up exactly which one was the QAT) - there
>>>> are no buttons on it apart from the defaults (Save/Undo/Redo).
>>>>
>>>> Sad

>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Pamelia Caswell via Offic · External Since: May 20, 2009 Posts: 18

It is very easy to nudge a table out of its in-line (not wrapped) setting,
and the behavior you describe seems to be more like that of a wrapped object.
So my suggestion is that you check again to see whether that has happened.
If it has not then I would suspect that the odd behavior results from table
corruption. Try open and repair on the file. Please report back.

Pam

John Penton wrote:
>I have a fairly straightforward document - text and inline tables -
>though I have double line spacing and the tables are multi-page.
>However, in a number of cases a table is getting munged - it exists
>after a paragraph, and yet the first row of the table is being placed
>at the top (right at the top) of the page before some or all of the
>paragraph. A large amount of whitespace is left, then the end of the
>paragraph and then (on the next page) the rest of the table.
>
>"Allow row to break..." seems to work as expected - I either get some
>or all of the first table row in the wrong place (though there is more
>than enough space for all of it.
>"Repeat as header row..." is _not_ on - and in any case, I wouldn't
>expect this feature to move the header row beforw the preceding
>paragraph.
>The various paragraph controls "Widow/orphan", "Keep with..." etc.
>appear to have no effect.
>
>In one case I was able to fix this by changing the number of carriage
>returns between the paragraph and the table, but it is not working in
>all cases.
>
>Anyone got any idea what is going on - or more importantly how I might
>fix it.
>
>John

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