If you could travel to anywhere in the sci-fi film and TV

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Robert_Carnegie:_Fnord:_c · External Since: Oct 22, 2009 Posts: 11

Mike Van Pelt wrote:
> In article <b18c477f-fb1d-4b8a-9093-ff03965afb8f.TakeThisOut@o21g2000vbl.googlegroups..com>,
> Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins.TakeThisOut@moderators.isc. orï¿½g <rja.carnegie.TakeThisOut@excite.com> wrote:
> >
> >How about "It's a Good Life"? Providing
> >you get to be one particular character, of course.
>
> How dare you suggest it isn't wonderful for everyone?
>
> To the cornfield with you!

I think you proved my point! Wink

> Mike Van Pelt "If they're going to talk about
> mvp.at.calweb.com Camelot, then we get to talk about
> KE6BVH The Lady in the Lake." - ?

I forget, is that a Kennedy family reference?

(And can you spell "Chappaquiddick" without looking at how I spelled
it just now?)

FoggyTown · External Since: Apr 21, 2007 Posts: 19

On Oct 21, 9:39ï¿½am, Trevor <trevor.ander... DeleteThis @joinme.com> wrote:
> If it was possible for you to go anywhere in the film or TV sci-fi and/
> or scifi fantasy
> universe that you love and greatly admire, where would you most like
> to go and please say why, for anywhere named.

WestWorld - but without the computer virus!

Paul Dormer · External Since: Oct 24, 2009 Posts: 1

In article
<b52d82f5-a4bd-4666-860d-2aad05e559c1.RemoveThis@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins.RemoveThis@moderators.isc. () wrote:

>
> (And can you spell "Chappaquiddick" without looking at how I spelled
> it just now?)

There was a much loved sitcom in the eighties called Brass, about a
Yorkshire mill owner and his family and workers, set in the thirties and
forties. One episode, set in WWII, involved a reception for the US
ambassador and one of the characters finds himself sitting next to the
ambassador's young son. At this point, the character sees a friend
called Richard from whom he wishes to borrow some money.

"You wouldn't like to lend a chap a quid, Dick?" he asks.

Ken from Chicago · External Since: Aug 11, 2005 Posts: 852

"Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins.TakeThisOut@moderators.isc.org"
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On Oct 23, 2:30 am, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos....TakeThisOut@comcast.net>
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> "Howard Brazee" <how....TakeThisOut@brazee.net> wrote in message
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> > On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:51:05 -0400, Thanatos <atro....TakeThisOut@mac.com> wrote:
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> >>In article
> >><e74b2fab-47a3-45fc-9e4d-26f1d8df5....TakeThisOut@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
> >> Ilya2 <il....TakeThisOut@rcn.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I would not want to live in Star Trek Federation because, frankly, it
> >>> looks too good to be true. IMO the only way the society can function
> >>> as depicted is with very thorough suppression of all dissent.
>
> >>But life is so wonderful in the Federation, there is no dissent to
> >>suppress!
>
> > Written SF has lots off utopias that ignore human nature. Star Trek
> > has a lot of that nature.
>
> > Anybody have a Twilight Zone episode that would be good in this
> > thread?
>
> None, they are prone to a nasty surprise ending.
>
> Altho the "Kick the Can" one might be nice--but backwards technologically.

~Nothing wrong with that... How about "It's a Good Life"? Providing
~you get to be one particular character, of course.

Too much pressure to run everything and everyone. You can't even trust your
so-called friends.

-- Ken from Chicago

"Sea Wasp · External Since: Oct 21, 2009 Posts: 16

Howard S Shubs wrote:
> In article
> <3076e91d-efb2-421b-b90a-90d5d459ae92 DeleteThis @y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
> Trevor <trevor.anderson DeleteThis @joinme.com> wrote:
>
>> If it was possible for you to go anywhere in the film or TV sci-fi and/
>> or scifi fantasy
>> universe that you love and greatly admire, where would you most like
>> to go and please say why, for anywhere named.
>
> Has to be film or TV, not books? Hm, that's rough. Maybe Babylon 5, if
> I could be a Psycop.
>

You would want to be a Psicop? Given the state of the Psi Corps, this
means you either want to be a conscienceless mind-controlling bastard, a
clueless innocent being USED by mind-controlling bastards, or a
desperate soul who'd like nothing better than to get OUT of the Corps,
except there IS no way out.

Babylon 5 would be interesting to visit, but I'd want a guarantee of
returning intact (mind and body). Or else get to borrow the powers of a
Vorlon for the duration. (I don't want to BE a Vorlon. The mysterious
answering I can handle, but most of them seemed to be total dicks)

--
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Will in New Haven · External Since: Oct 21, 2009 Posts: 6

On Oct 25, 1:17 am, Howard S Shubs <how....RemoveThis@shubs.net> wrote:
> In article
> <3076e91d-efb2-421b-b90a-90d5d459a....RemoveThis@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
>
> Trevor <trevor.ander....RemoveThis@joinme.com> wrote:
> > If it was possible for you to go anywhere in the film or TV sci-fi and/
> > or scifi fantasy
> > universe that you love and greatly admire, where would you most like
> > to go and please say why, for anywhere named.
>
> Has to be film or TV, not books? Hm, that's rough. Maybe Babylon 5, if
> I could be a Psycop.
>
> Oh wait, you did allow books. Much easier.

I didn't see him do that. But I was going to ignore his dictate and
name some places found in the books eventually. Might as well be now.
I don't subscribe to the idea that I should prefer, among the places
of great adventure and danger that I like to read about, a place of
relative safety and comfort. Secondly, I am going to assume that the
odds may be against me but that I will be the equivalent of myself
when I was young and active. In my current situation, I ain't going
anywhere.

I think Lankhmar would be fine and Adrilankha would be even better;
the best restaurant in the worlds makes that a great choice. Star's
court, from _Glory Road_ sounds pretty good, although Oscar eventually
found it dull. Beta Colony would be interesting. If I hung out in the
Shire, at least I could feel tall.

--
Will in New Haven

"Sea Wasp · External Since: Oct 21, 2009 Posts: 16

Howard S Shubs wrote:
> In article <hc1gaf$u3a$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp RemoveThis @sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> You would want to be a Psicop? Given the state of the Psi Corps, this
>> means you either want to be a conscienceless mind-controlling bastard,
>
> That the idea, yep!

I'll make sure to have an airlock open for you at the appropriate time,
then.

>
>> a clueless innocent being USED by mind-controlling bastards, or a
>> desperate soul who'd like nothing better than to get OUT of the
>> Corps, except there IS no way out.
>
> *I* think Straczyski told a biased story when he talked about the
> Psycorp. Equal time is needed!!!11!!eleven

The Corps is a Mother.

>
>
>> Babylon 5 would be interesting to visit, but I'd want a guarantee of
>> returning intact (mind and body). Or else get to borrow the powers of a
>> Vorlon for the duration. (I don't want to BE a Vorlon. The mysterious
>> answering I can handle, but most of them seemed to be total dicks)
>
> You can't be sure of that in any universe, even ours.

No, but if I'm going to some other universe, I want guarantees. Here,
well, I didn't get the opportunity to demand the proper warranty.

Granted, some are
> worse than others, so if I go to B5, I want to be a Psicop 'cause
> they're on top.

Um... not so much. They WANT to be on top, but sometimes they get their
butts whipped. Bester only lived because his opposition made the (I
think sometimes incorrect) judgment that he'd be *just barely* more
useful alive than dead.

If I go to the Vorkoverse, I do NOT want to visit
> Jackson's Hole, for instance. And the Arisia/Bosconian universe is
> right out.

Actually, for the vast majority of the people in Civilization life was
very good and comfortable. We just get to watch the most "exciting" bits
in the books. Remember how very little of Civilization's GNP was devoted
to the war effort; for most people, most of the time, the War was far
away and not terribly important on their day-to-day lives.

If I was going to see any of the "exciting" bits, well, I want
assurance that my mind is of at least the Third Stage of development, so
that minor inconveniences like the planet I'm on blowing up will not
seriously impede me.

> So is any place Lovecraft wrote about.
>

Certainly as long as it keeps operating under the Rule of Gloom, yeah.

--
Sea Wasp
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Mac Breck · External Since: Aug 11, 2005 Posts: 7

Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> Howard S Shubs wrote:
>> In article
>> <3076e91d-efb2-421b-b90a-90d5d459ae92.DeleteThis@y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
>> Trevor <trevor.anderson.DeleteThis@joinme.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If it was possible for you to go anywhere in the film or TV sci-fi
>>> and/ or scifi fantasy
>>> universe that you love and greatly admire, where would you most like
>>> to go and please say why, for anywhere named.
>>
>> Has to be film or TV, not books? Hm, that's rough. Maybe Babylon
>> 5, if I could be a Psycop.
>>
>
> You would want to be a Psicop? Given the state of the Psi Corps, this
> means you either want to be a conscienceless mind-controlling
> bastard, a clueless innocent being USED by mind-controlling bastards,
> or a desperate soul who'd like nothing better than to get OUT of the
> Corps, except there IS no way out.
>
> Babylon 5 would be interesting to visit, but I'd want a guarantee of
> returning intact (mind and body). Or else get to borrow the powers of
> a Vorlon for the duration. (I don't want to BE a Vorlon.

No, BE a Vorlon along the lines of Kosh Naranek. Wink

>The
> mysterious answering I can handle, but most of them seemed to be
> total dicks)

Kosh Naranek wasn't.

--
Mac Breck ( *KoshN* )
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Galen (to Gideon): "I've been penalized before for helping other
people. I've been trying to decide whether or not I should risk it
again."

"Sea Wasp · External Since: Oct 21, 2009 Posts: 16

Mac Breck wrote:
> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>> Howard S Shubs wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <3076e91d-efb2-421b-b90a-90d5d459ae92 RemoveThis @y28g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Trevor <trevor.anderson RemoveThis @joinme.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If it was possible for you to go anywhere in the film or TV sci-fi
>>>> and/ or scifi fantasy
>>>> universe that you love and greatly admire, where would you most like
>>>> to go and please say why, for anywhere named.
>>> Has to be film or TV, not books? Hm, that's rough. Maybe Babylon
>>> 5, if I could be a Psycop.
>>>
>> You would want to be a Psicop? Given the state of the Psi Corps, this
>> means you either want to be a conscienceless mind-controlling
>> bastard, a clueless innocent being USED by mind-controlling bastards,
>> or a desperate soul who'd like nothing better than to get OUT of the
>> Corps, except there IS no way out.
>>
>> Babylon 5 would be interesting to visit, but I'd want a guarantee of
>> returning intact (mind and body). Or else get to borrow the powers of
>> a Vorlon for the duration. (I don't want to BE a Vorlon.
>
> No, BE a Vorlon along the lines of Kosh Naranek. Wink

Well, he seemed to be unique. And I wouldn't want to take Kosh's place.
He was cool.

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darwinist · External Since: Oct 25, 2009 Posts: 2

On Oct 21, 7:39 pm, Trevor <trevor.ander....RemoveThis@joinme.com> wrote:
> If it was possible for you to go anywhere in the film or TV sci-fi and/
> or scifi fantasy
> universe that you love and greatly admire, where would you most like
> to go and please say why, for anywhere named.

I'd have choose luxury over excitement. Banks' "Culture" would be
tempting, or some city that's safe in the heart of the Federation of
Planets.

We never see much of the internal workings of the federation. It's all
contact and conlict with other cultures.

Maybe it's really a horrible dystopia on the inside and the star-trek
series are just military propaganda aimed at the cardassians,
romuluns, etc to get them to surrender and join the federation.

Will in New Haven · External Since: Oct 21, 2009 Posts: 6

On Oct 25, 6:16 pm, darwinist <darwin....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 21, 7:39 pm, Trevor <trevor.ander....DeleteThis@joinme.com> wrote:
>
> > If it was possible for you to go anywhere in the film or TV sci-fi and/
> > or scifi fantasy
> > universe that you love and greatly admire, where would you most like
> > to go and please say why, for anywhere named.
>
> I'd have choose luxury over excitement.

I think most of us are choosing that but I wonder at this. Most of us
in the modern western world _have_ by any reasonable standards,
luxury. We have, most of us, a fair amount of safety. Why bother going
to an SF environment just for that? Or rather, why choose one
primarily for that? Obviously, "luxury" could include longevity and a
return to youth but I don't think of showing up in Lankhmar or in the
Qeng Ho fleet around the OnOff Star as an old man anyway.

I _read_ the books I read for the adventure and the people and the
different locales, not in order to find a retirement home. So I take
the same approach to this question. Although an occasional meal at
Valabar's was an influence in one of my choices.

--
Will in New Haven

Banks' "Culture" would be
> tempting, or some city that's safe in the heart of the Federation of
> Planets.
>
> We never see much of the internal workings of the federation. It's all
> contact and conlict with other cultures.
>
> Maybe it's really a horrible dystopia on the inside and the star-trek
> series are just military propaganda aimed at the cardassians,
> romuluns, etc to get them to surrender and join the federation.

Robert_Carnegie:_Fnord:_c · External Since: Oct 22, 2009 Posts: 11

Trevor wrote:
> If it was possible for you to go anywhere in the film or TV sci-fi and/
> or scifi fantasy
> universe that you love and greatly admire, where would you most like
> to go and please say why, for anywhere named.

Did anyone propose _Tron_ yet? You live in a computer and you get to
play video games for a living.

In more papery science fiction, _The Annals of the Heechee_, if that's
the correct title.

Howard Brazee · External Since: Sep 25, 2005 Posts: 1308

Spielberg's Amazing Stories had some Earths that appear quite
pleasant.

--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

- James Madison

Robert_Carnegie:_Fnord:_c · External Since: Oct 22, 2009 Posts: 11

On Oct 26, 5:53 am, Howard S Shubs <how....TakeThisOut@shubs.net> wrote:
> In article <5MmdnV71vpSvGHnXnZ2dnUVZ_omdn....TakeThisOut@supernews.com>,
> "Mac Breck" <macthevor....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > No, BE a Vorlon along the lines of Kosh Naranek. Wink

>
> What, the *one* Vorlon who got killed, you mean? Try again? Very Happy

Would you rather that or have John Sheridan get mad at your entire
species?

PV · External Since: Mar 01, 2007 Posts: 40

Trevor <trevor.anderson.RemoveThis@joinme.com> writes:
>If it was possible for you to go anywhere in the film or TV sci-fi and/
>or scifi fantasy
>universe that you love and greatly admire, where would you most like
>to go and please say why, for anywhere named.

Tertius. I hear they're open to visitors from other universes, and you
can't beat the health care. *
--
* PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
like corkscrews.

darwinist · External Since: Oct 25, 2009 Posts: 2

On Oct 26, 10:32 am, Will in New Haven
<bill.re....DeleteThis@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
> On Oct 25, 6:16 pm, darwinist <darwin....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 21, 7:39 pm, Trevor <trevor.ander....DeleteThis@joinme.com> wrote:
>
> > > If it was possible for you to go anywhere in the film or TV sci-fi and/
> > > or scifi fantasy
> > > universe that you love and greatly admire, where would you most like
> > > to go and please say why, for anywhere named.
>
> > I'd have choose luxury over excitement.
>
> I think most of us are choosing that but I wonder at this. Most of us
> in the modern western world _have_ by any reasonable standards,
> luxury. We have, most of us, a fair amount of safety. Why bother going
> to an SF environment just for that? Or rather, why choose one
> primarily for that? Obviously, "luxury" could include longevity and a
> return to youth but I don't think of showing up in Lankhmar or in the
> Qeng Ho fleet around the OnOff Star as an old man anyway.
>
> I _read_ the books I read for the adventure and the people and the
> different locales, not in order to find a retirement home. So I take
> the same approach to this question. Although an occasional meal at
> Valabar's was an influence in one of my choices.

That's interesting as I feel the opposite way. Most of the places I
enjoy observing the most in fiction are places I would least like to
live (although it might be nice to visit if I could be reasonably
confident of safety). Dangerous nests of vipers filled with spies,
treason, violence, organised crime, etc, floating through space or out
in some random corner of it.

Similarly in tv series: "Deadwood", the mean streets of Baltimore (in
"The Wire"), the island in "Lost". I would be reluctant to move to
these places.

Deep Space Nine, I would seriously consider. Most of the danger is of
no concern to the normal inhabitants. You have to be a mysterious
visitor, spy or military official to get in trouble. In fact I think
living there would be safer than visiting, somehow.

> --
> Will in New Haven
>
> Banks' "Culture" would be
>
> > tempting, or some city that's safe in the heart of the Federation of
> > Planets.
>
> > We never see much of the internal workings of the federation. It's all
> > contact and conlict with other cultures.
>
> > Maybe it's really a horrible dystopia on the inside and the star-trek
> > series are just military propaganda aimed at the cardassians,
> > romuluns, etc to get them to surrender and join the federation.

Will in New Haven · External Since: Oct 21, 2009 Posts: 6

On Oct 27, 3:46 am, darwinist <darwin....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 26, 10:32 am, Will in New Haven
>
>
>
>
>
> <bill.re....TakeThisOut@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 25, 6:16 pm, darwinist <darwin....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 21, 7:39 pm, Trevor <trevor.ander....TakeThisOut@joinme.com> wrote:
>
> > > > If it was possible for you to go anywhere in the film or TV sci-fi and/
> > > > or scifi fantasy
> > > > universe that you love and greatly admire, where would you most like
> > > > to go and please say why, for anywhere named.
>
> > > I'd have choose luxury over excitement.
>
> > I think most of us are choosing that but I wonder at this. Most of us
> > in the modern western world _have_ by any reasonable standards,
> > luxury. We have, most of us, a fair amount of safety. Why bother going
> > to an SF environment just for that? Or rather, why choose one
> > primarily for that? Obviously, "luxury" could include longevity and a
> > return to youth but I don't think of showing up in Lankhmar or in the
> > Qeng Ho fleet around the OnOff Star as an old man anyway.
>
> > I _read_ the books I read for the adventure and the people and the
> > different locales, not in order to find a retirement home. So I take
> > the same approach to this question. Although an occasional meal at
> > Valabar's was an influence in one of my choices.
>
> That's interesting as I feel the opposite way. Most of the places I
> enjoy observing the most in fiction are places I would least like to
> live (although it might be nice to visit if I could be reasonably
> confident of safety). Dangerous nests of vipers filled with spies,
> treason, violence, organised crime, etc, floating through space or out
> in some random corner of it.
>
> Similarly in tv series: "Deadwood", the mean streets of Baltimore (in
> "The Wire"), the island in "Lost". I would be reluctant to move to
> these places.
>
> Deep Space Nine, I would seriously consider. Most of the danger is of
> no concern to the normal inhabitants. You have to be a mysterious
> visitor, spy or military official to get in trouble. In fact I think
> living there would be safer than visiting, somehow.

One place I left off, which is odd because it is my first choice, is
Bordertown. Compared to some I would like, it is less hazardous. It
reminds me of some areas of New Haven in the Seventies and early
Eighties, although not as wierd. Lots of great music and the
possibility of something exotic around every corner. Of course, that
aspect of life in a big city is still around but I'm old.

Chicago in John M. Ford's _The Last Hot Time_ is another 'interesting'
place with only a somewhat increased hazard level. I need to see the
next book after _Territory_ before I decide if Emma Bull's Tombstone
would be interesting.

--
Will in New Haven

PV · External Since: Mar 01, 2007 Posts: 40

Howard S Shubs <howard.DeleteThis@shubs.net> writes:
>Keep in mind what you pay for the healthcare, and how fast they say they
>pay off end-of-life benefits. RAH was very clear on that one.

Lazarus was a secret geek, and I *know* Zeb would give me a free ride for a
set of Firefly CDs. I don't think valuta would be a problem. *
--
* PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
like corkscrews.

Michael Stemper · External Since: Oct 27, 2009 Posts: 5

In article <hc1r5n$ofl$1@news.eternal-september.org>, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp.RemoveThis@sgeinc.invalid.com> writes:
>Howard S Shubs wrote:

> If I go to the Vorkoverse, I do NOT want to visit
>> Jackson's Hole, for instance. And the Arisia/Bosconian universe is
>> right out.
>
> Actually, for the vast majority of the people in Civilization life was
>very good and comfortable. We just get to watch the most "exciting" bits
>in the books. Remember how very little of Civilization's GNP was devoted
>to the war effort; for most people, most of the time, the War was far
>away and not terribly important on their day-to-day lives.

Yeah, for those of us safely here on Tellus. Things were a little tougher
if your system of residence was close to the galactic rim, especially if
it was on a line towards Lundmark's Nebula.

> If I was going to see any of the "exciting" bits, well, I want
>assurance that my mind is of at least the Third Stage of development, so
>that minor inconveniences like the planet I'm on blowing up will not
>seriously impede me.

Any manner of things could happen to planets that were too close
to the front.

--
Michael F. Stemper
#include <Standard_Disclaimer>
Indians scattered on dawn's highway bleeding;
Ghosts crowd the young child's fragile eggshell mind.