If you could travel to anywhere in the sci-fi film and TV

David Oberman · External Since: Jan 08, 2009 Posts: 117

I'd love to live in Klopstockia!

I could be a great athlete named George.

Howard Brazee · External Since: Sep 25, 2005 Posts: 1308

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:51:05 -0400, Thanatos <atropos.TakeThisOut@mac.com> wrote:

>In article
><e74b2fab-47a3-45fc-9e4d-26f1d8df58c8.TakeThisOut@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
> Ilya2 <ilya2.TakeThisOut@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>> I would not want to live in Star Trek Federation because, frankly, it
>> looks too good to be true. IMO the only way the society can function
>> as depicted is with very thorough suppression of all dissent.
>
>But life is so wonderful in the Federation, there is no dissent to
>suppress!

Written SF has lots off utopias that ignore human nature. Star Trek
has a lot of that nature.

Anybody have a Twilight Zone episode that would be good in this
thread?

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than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."

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Scott Lurndal · External Since: Oct 11, 2004 Posts: 3

Jack Tingle <wjtingle.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> writes:
>Trevor wrote:
>> If it was possible for you to go anywhere in the film or TV sci-fi and/
>> or scifi fantasy
>> universe that you love and greatly admire, where would you most like
>> to go and please say why, for anywhere named.
>>
>No place, this is rec.arts.sf.written. We don't do media.
>

I was under the possibly mistaken assumption that books are
a family of the order media?

scott

Steven L. · External Since: Apr 29, 2007 Posts: 13

Anim8rFSK wrote:
> In article
> <f714a0c6-40b6-4c31-9651-b26fdb2a16ad RemoveThis @h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
> TBerk <bayareaberk RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> 'Ringworld'.
>>
>> It might be dangerous, but it's be one Hell of an Adventure.
>>
>>
>> maybe I'd get to keep the ship when we're done. ;])
>>
>>
>> berk
>
> Problem is, pretty much nothing of Niven has been filmed, so it doesn't
> count.

"Ringworld" is just crying out for a Star Trek adaptation:

Louis Wu ==> James Kirk
Puppeteer ==> Mr. Spock
Kzin ==> Klingon Commander Kor

J.J. Abrams, are you listening?

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TBerk · External Since: May 08, 2007 Posts: 67

On Oct 21, 7:45 pm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R....DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:
> In article
> <f714a0c6-40b6-4c31-9651-b26fdb2a1....DeleteThis@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
>
> TBerk <bayareab....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 'Ringworld'.
>
> > It might be dangerous, but it's be one Hell of an Adventure.
>
> > maybe I'd get to keep the ship when we're done. ;])
>
> > berk
>
> Problem is, pretty much nothing of Niven has been filmed, so it doesn't
> count.
>
> I'd sure like the magic autodoc.
>
> --

Hence my disregard of the constrains imposed by "...anywhere in the
sci-fi film and TV universe...".

I pick from the proper (to me) and much larger Superset of Science
Fiction. By default it's print, film, TV, etc, but surely we aren't
going to ignore all those wonderful books just because the OP doesn't
read. <--- That's not my problem.

berk

TBerk · External Since: May 08, 2007 Posts: 67

On Oct 21, 8:01 pm, "Steven L." <sdlit....RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Anim8rFSK wrote:
> > In article
> > <f714a0c6-40b6-4c31-9651-b26fdb2a1....RemoveThis@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
> > TBerk <bayareab....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> 'Ringworld'.
>
> >> It might be dangerous, but it's be one Hell of an Adventure.
>
> >> maybe I'd get to keep the ship when we're done. ;])
>
> >> berk
>
> > Problem is, pretty much nothing of Niven has been filmed, so it doesn't
> > count.
>
> "Ringworld" is just crying out for a Star Trek adaptation:
>
> Louis Wu ==> James Kirk
> Puppeteer ==> Mr. Spock
> Kzin ==> Klingon Commander Kor
>
> J.J. Abrams, are you listening?
>

Niven in General needs the film treatment. His stuff, if done with
attention to core and spirit, could be a whole Star Wars, Star Trek
level of 'Universe'.

berk
btw- you _do_ remember the Star Trek Animated Series versions of
Niven's stories, right?

Zoltan Somogyi · External Since: Oct 22, 2009 Posts: 1

Will in New Haven <bill.reich DeleteThis @taylorandfrancis.com> writes:
>Cheif among them is the nameless countryside around the nameless city
>(at least I don't remember their naming it) and the city itself in
>"Ladyhawk."

Aquila.

Zoltan Somogyi <zs DeleteThis @cs.mu.OZ.AU> http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~zs/
Department of Computer Science and Software Engineering, Univ. of Melbourne

Ken from Chicago · External Since: Aug 11, 2005 Posts: 852

"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp.TakeThisOut@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in message
news:hbmsge$1gf$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Trevor wrote:
>> If it was possible for you to go anywhere in the film or TV sci-fi and/
>> or scifi fantasy
>> universe that you love and greatly admire, where would you most like
>> to go and please say why, for anywhere named.
>>
>
> Probably one of my own works, especially the world of Grand Central Arena
> (forthcoming, April 2010). As the Author, even if I didn't have special
> POWERS, I have special knowledge which would be very advantageous.

Leave it to the WRITER to see the big picture and suss out the best
advantage long-term.

> What other universes I might choose would depend on the conditions of
> transfer -- visit for a day, a month, etc., do I get to bring things back
> with me if it's a visit?
>
> If it's a permanent transfer, am I stuck exactly the way I am? Do I get
> any special status, any money or resources so I'm not a total bum, or
> what?
>
> For instance, I might like to visit the Lensman universe, but I'm not
> MANLY enough to live there. Many universes might be fun to visit or even
> live in, but only if you've got what it takes to do well there.
>
> Most fiction, after all, isn't about making the characters comfortable and
> safe.

Part of the reason why writers are evil. The better the writer the worst
they are.

> --
> Sea Wasp
> /^\
> ;;; Live Journal: http://seawasp.livejournal.com

-- Ken from Chicago

Ken from Chicago · External Since: Aug 11, 2005 Posts: 852

"Will in New Haven" <bill.reich.TakeThisOut@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in message
news:11408829-12cd-46a9-b5b1-f30969b2287c@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 21, 4:39 am, Trevor <trevor.ander....TakeThisOut@joinme.com> wrote:
> If it was possible for you to go anywhere in the film or TV sci-fi and/
> or scifi fantasy
> universe that you love and greatly admire, where would you most like
> to go and please say why, for anywhere named.

~By restricting it to TV and film you have reduced fantasy and SF to a
~very small part of their scope. Still there are a few places I would
~want to go.

<snip>

Seeing how it was cross-posted to rec.arts.sf.WRITTEN, I ignored that
restriction and included literary SF.

-- Ken from Chicago

Robert_Carnegie:_Fnord:_c · External Since: Oct 22, 2009 Posts: 11

On Oct 22, 3:50 pm, "Steven L." <sdlit....RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
> TBerk wrote:
> > On Oct 21, 8:01 pm, "Steven L." <sdlit....RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> Anim8rFSK wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <f714a0c6-40b6-4c31-9651-b26fdb2a1....RemoveThis@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
> >>> TBerk <bayareab....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> 'Ringworld'.
> >>>> It might be dangerous, but it's be one Hell of an Adventure.
> >>>> maybe I'd get to keep the ship when we're done. ;])
> >>>> berk
> >>> Problem is, pretty much nothing of Niven has been filmed, so it doesn't
> >>> count.
> >> "Ringworld" is just crying out for a Star Trek adaptation:
>
> >> Louis Wu ==> James Kirk
> >> Puppeteer ==> Mr. Spock
> >> Kzin ==> Klingon Commander Kor
>
> >> J.J. Abrams, are you listening?
>
> > Niven in General needs the film treatment. His stuff, if done with
> > attention to core and spirit, could be a whole Star Wars, Star Trek
> > level of 'Universe'.
>
> The problem is, there's not enough action in Niven's stories to create a
> big-budget blockbuster. Not after the Star Wars series with hundreds of
> space ships battling each other, Death Stars, etc.
>
> In "Ringworld," Niven's "motley crew" goes to explore the Ringworld,
> they meet up with some natives, they do some things to figure out how to
> get off the Ringworld again, that's it. As a novel, that's interesting..
> But as a movie, it would be pretty boring.
>
> Even Asimov's "Foundation" trilogy had more action in it.

Is there more to _Land of the Lost_?

Heck, _Alien_ had more to it than just an alien monster eating people
one by one. It had characters.
And if you think Niven doesn't have characters than you tanjing well
put characters in.

Steven L. · External Since: Apr 29, 2007 Posts: 13

TBerk wrote:
> On Oct 21, 8:01 pm, "Steven L." <sdlit....RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Anim8rFSK wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <f714a0c6-40b6-4c31-9651-b26fdb2a1....RemoveThis@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
>>> TBerk <bayareab....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> 'Ringworld'.
>>>> It might be dangerous, but it's be one Hell of an Adventure.
>>>> maybe I'd get to keep the ship when we're done. ;])
>>>> berk
>>> Problem is, pretty much nothing of Niven has been filmed, so it doesn't
>>> count.
>> "Ringworld" is just crying out for a Star Trek adaptation:
>>
>> Louis Wu ==> James Kirk
>> Puppeteer ==> Mr. Spock
>> Kzin ==> Klingon Commander Kor
>>
>> J.J. Abrams, are you listening?
>>
>
> Niven in General needs the film treatment. His stuff, if done with
> attention to core and spirit, could be a whole Star Wars, Star Trek
> level of 'Universe'.

The problem is, there's not enough action in Niven's stories to create a
big-budget blockbuster. Not after the Star Wars series with hundreds of
space ships battling each other, Death Stars, etc.

In "Ringworld," Niven's "motley crew" goes to explore the Ringworld,
they meet up with some natives, they do some things to figure out how to
get off the Ringworld again, that's it. As a novel, that's interesting.
But as a movie, it would be pretty boring.

Even Asimov's "Foundation" trilogy had more action in it.

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Steven L. · External Since: Apr 29, 2007 Posts: 13

Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins.TakeThisOut@moderators.isc.org wrote:
> On Oct 22, 3:50 pm, "Steven L." <sdlit....TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> TBerk wrote:
>>> On Oct 21, 8:01 pm, "Steven L." <sdlit....TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Anim8rFSK wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <f714a0c6-40b6-4c31-9651-b26fdb2a1....TakeThisOut@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> TBerk <bayareab....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 'Ringworld'.
>>>>>> It might be dangerous, but it's be one Hell of an Adventure.
>>>>>> maybe I'd get to keep the ship when we're done. ;])
>>>>>> berk
>>>>> Problem is, pretty much nothing of Niven has been filmed, so it doesn't
>>>>> count.
>>>> "Ringworld" is just crying out for a Star Trek adaptation:
>>>> Louis Wu ==> James Kirk
>>>> Puppeteer ==> Mr. Spock
>>>> Kzin ==> Klingon Commander Kor
>>>> J.J. Abrams, are you listening?
>>> Niven in General needs the film treatment. His stuff, if done with
>>> attention to core and spirit, could be a whole Star Wars, Star Trek
>>> level of 'Universe'.
>> The problem is, there's not enough action in Niven's stories to create a
>> big-budget blockbuster. Not after the Star Wars series with hundreds of
>> space ships battling each other, Death Stars, etc.
>>
>> In "Ringworld," Niven's "motley crew" goes to explore the Ringworld,
>> they meet up with some natives, they do some things to figure out how to
>> get off the Ringworld again, that's it. As a novel, that's interesting.
>> But as a movie, it would be pretty boring.
>>
>> Even Asimov's "Foundation" trilogy had more action in it.
>
> Is there more to _Land of the Lost_?
>
> Heck, _Alien_ had more to it than just an alien monster eating people
> one by one. It had characters.

What "Alien" had was tension and suspense. As well as terror. It was a
horror movie in space.

I never got the feeling of suspense or tension from the Ringworld
stories either. The first novel had a real sense of wonder, because the
Ringworld was such a stunning concept. But that sense of wonder
dissipated in the subsequent novels.

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Franco · External Since: Oct 22, 2009 Posts: 1

On Oct 21, 1:39 am, Trevor <trevor.ander....RemoveThis@joinme.com> wrote:
> If it was possible for you to go anywhere in the film or TV sci-fi and/
> or scifi fantasy
> universe that you love and greatly admire, where would you most like
> to go and please say why, for anywhere named.

The Commonwealth of Silverlock.

Walter Bushell · External Since: Sep 30, 2004 Posts: 7

In article <ToadnaFnZ_6WVkLXnZ2dnUVZ_hVi4p2d DeleteThis @earthlink.com>,
"Steven L." <sdlitvin DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:

> Anim8rFSK wrote:
> > In article
> > <f714a0c6-40b6-4c31-9651-b26fdb2a16ad DeleteThis @h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
> > TBerk <bayareaberk DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 'Ringworld'.
> >>
> >> It might be dangerous, but it's be one Hell of an Adventure.
> >>
> >>
> >> maybe I'd get to keep the ship when we're done. ;])
> >>
> >>
> >> berk
> >
> > Problem is, pretty much nothing of Niven has been filmed, so it doesn't
> > count.
>
> "Ringworld" is just crying out for a Star Trek adaptation:
>
> Louis Wu ==> James Kirk
> Puppeteer ==> Mr. Spock
> Kzin ==> Klingon Commander Kor
>
> J.J. Abrams, are you listening?

With the ringworld full of moties!

--
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TBerk · External Since: May 08, 2007 Posts: 67

On Oct 22, 7:50 am, "Steven L." <sdlit....TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
> TBerk wrote:
> > On Oct 21, 8:01 pm, "Steven L." <sdlit....TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> Anim8rFSK wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <f714a0c6-40b6-4c31-9651-b26fdb2a1....TakeThisOut@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
> >>> TBerk <bayareab....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> 'Ringworld'.
> >>>> It might be dangerous, but it's be one Hell of an Adventure.
> >>>> maybe I'd get to keep the ship when we're done. ;])
> >>>> berk
> >>> Problem is, pretty much nothing of Niven has been filmed, so it doesn't
> >>> count.
> >> "Ringworld" is just crying out for a Star Trek adaptation:
>
> >> Louis Wu ==> James Kirk
> >> Puppeteer ==> Mr. Spock
> >> Kzin ==> Klingon Commander Kor
>
> >> J.J. Abrams, are you listening?
>
> > Niven in General needs the film treatment. His stuff, if done with
> > attention to core and spirit, could be a whole Star Wars, Star Trek
> > level of 'Universe'.
>
> The problem is, there's not enough action in Niven's stories to create a
> big-budget blockbuster. Not after the Star Wars series with hundreds of
> space ships battling each other, Death Stars, etc.
>
> In "Ringworld," Niven's "motley crew" goes to explore the Ringworld,
> they meet up with some natives, they do some things to figure out how to
> get off the Ringworld again, that's it. As a novel, that's interesting..
> But as a movie, it would be pretty boring.
>

Go back and read the whole 'It's Louis Wu's Birthday and he is keeping
ahead of the Sunrise' thing all over again. The description of the
Future in that book, 'World of P'Tavvs' and 'Protector' is enough to
hang a film based franchise on.

> Even Asimov's "Foundation" trilogy had more action in it.
>
> --
> Steven L.

I love Asimov but never cared for 'Foundation', et al.

berk

steve · External Since: Dec 09, 2004 Posts: 1267

On 21-Oct-2009, Trevor <trevor.anderson.RemoveThis@joinme.com> wrote:

> If it was possible for you to go anywhere in the film or TV sci-fi and/
> or scifi fantasy
> universe that you love and greatly admire, where would you most like
> to go and please say why, for anywhere named.

How about Venus in "Abbott & Costello Go to Mars"...for obvious reasons.

steve
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Ken from Chicago · External Since: Aug 11, 2005 Posts: 852

"Thanatos" <atropos.TakeThisOut@mac.com> wrote in message
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> In article
> <e74b2fab-47a3-45fc-9e4d-26f1d8df58c8.TakeThisOut@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
> Ilya2 <ilya2.TakeThisOut@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>> I would not want to live in Star Trek Federation because, frankly, it
>> looks too good to be true. IMO the only way the society can function
>> as depicted is with very thorough suppression of all dissent.
>
> But life is so wonderful in the Federation, there is no dissent to
> suppress!

On Earth.

The Federation extends beyond Earth.

-- Ken from Chicago

Ken from Chicago · External Since: Aug 11, 2005 Posts: 852

"Howard Brazee" <howard.RemoveThis@brazee.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:51:05 -0400, Thanatos <atropos.RemoveThis@mac.com> wrote:
>
>>In article
>><e74b2fab-47a3-45fc-9e4d-26f1d8df58c8.RemoveThis@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
>> Ilya2 <ilya2.RemoveThis@rcn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would not want to live in Star Trek Federation because, frankly, it
>>> looks too good to be true. IMO the only way the society can function
>>> as depicted is with very thorough suppression of all dissent.
>>
>>But life is so wonderful in the Federation, there is no dissent to
>>suppress!
>
> Written SF has lots off utopias that ignore human nature. Star Trek
> has a lot of that nature.
>
> Anybody have a Twilight Zone episode that would be good in this
> thread?

None, they are prone to a nasty surprise ending.

Altho the "Kick the Can" one might be nice--but backwards technologically.

-- Ken from Chicago

Robert_Carnegie:_Fnord:_c · External Since: Oct 22, 2009 Posts: 11

On Oct 23, 2:30 am, "Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1b_nos....DeleteThis@comcast.net>
wrote:
> "Howard Brazee" <how....DeleteThis@brazee.net> wrote in message
>
> news:6s9vd5p6j2iu2qkejc12hqos9c639g3fed@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:51:05 -0400, Thanatos <atro....DeleteThis@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >>In article
> >><e74b2fab-47a3-45fc-9e4d-26f1d8df5....DeleteThis@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
> >> Ilya2 <il....DeleteThis@rcn.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I would not want to live in Star Trek Federation because, frankly, it
> >>> looks too good to be true. IMO the only way the society can function
> >>> as depicted is with very thorough suppression of all dissent.
>
> >>But life is so wonderful in the Federation, there is no dissent to
> >>suppress!
>
> > Written SF has lots off utopias that ignore human nature. Star Trek
> > has a lot of that nature.
>
> > Anybody have a Twilight Zone episode that would be good in this
> > thread?
>
> None, they are prone to a nasty surprise ending.
>
> Altho the "Kick the Can" one might be nice--but backwards technologically..

Nothing wrong with that... How about "It's a Good Life"? Providing
you get to be one particular character, of course.

Mike Van Pelt · External Since: Jul 20, 2005 Posts: 14

In article <b18c477f-fb1d-4b8a-9093-ff03965afb8f DeleteThis @o21g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins DeleteThis @moderators.isc. org <rja.carnegie DeleteThis @excite.com> wrote:
>
>How about "It's a Good Life"? Providing
>you get to be one particular character, of course.

How dare you suggest it isn't wonderful for everyone?

To the cornfield with you!

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