Stanley Kubrick joined a Buddhist Sect

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

True Story.

SK also experiemented with LSD.

He made a film that depicts a classic visionary experience tackling the big
questions.

dc

Wordsmith · External Since: Jun 01, 2007 Posts: 19

On Jul 19, 5:10 pm, "kelps" wrote:
> True Story.

Documentation?

> SK also experiemented with LSD.

Documentation?

> He made a film that depicts a classic visionary experience tackling the big
> questions.

Obvious.

W : )

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

"Wordsmith" wrote in message

> On Jul 19, 5:10 pm, "kelps" wrote:
>> True Story.
>
> Documentation?

The documentation would be private in the records of the buddhist sect.
You have ACC announcing that they found this sect with the rectangular slab
mandala.
You have me telling you that it was a fact.

>
>> SK also experiemented with LSD.
>
> Documentation?

Documentation for this is available in a number of books pertaining to the
history of the 1960's. I have also posted the web site with the well-known
person in the LSD story, who was like a Johnny Appleseed of LSD...At a time
when it was still legal and being used in psychiatry, and afterwards. You
have to realize that this guy is famous to the hippie historians and people
that were there.

Here is another link that among other things says:

"And of course, it caused a little stir with the Hippies of the
Haight-Ashbury and much of Western culture in the 1960s. Tim Leary, Ken
Kesey, Aldous Huxley, Cary Grant, Stanley Kubrick, Elvis...to name just a
few modern initiates."

Al Hubbard was a doctor (nicknamed 'Captain Trips') who had secret
connections to the CIA. He indoctrinated an estimated 6,000 people to LSD
before it was effectively banned in 1966, sharing the sacrament with a
prominent Monsignor of the Catholic Church in North America, plumbing the
roots of alcoholism with AA founder Bill Wilson, and gatecrashing the pearly
gates with Aldous Huxley (in a session that resulted in the psychedelic tome
Doors of Perception). It was through Hubbard (who was rumoured to have the
biggest supply of LSD in the world after Sandoz themselves) that many of the
Beverly Hills psychiatrists turned on actors Cary Grant, James Coburn, Jack
Nicholson, novelist Anais Nin, and filmmaker Stanley Kubrick, amongst
hundreds of others. And it was around here the cultural vector of LSD
started charting off the scale, as word of mouth spread to the street and
recreational use kicked off.

http://undergrowth.org/rebirth_the_psychedelic_movement_comes_of_age_rak_razam

And here is the story of the man who was supplying this pure Sandoz
Pharmaceutical:

http://www.rense.com/general28/dshwo.htm

There is a lot of information about the 1960's and a number of people
studying it's history.

Not an Urban Legend.

dc

>
>> He made a film that depicts a classic visionary experience tackling the
>> big
>> questions.
>
> Obvious.
>
> W : )
>
>

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

Here is an excellent interview with Arthur Clarke. He puts off the LSD
question initially on the technical crew. Then admits actually he did take
LSD once but then he pulls a Clinton and says, "nothing happened." Then
usual denial Sk did LSD.

People in the public eye try to keep this stuff private. Denial can be
necessary. Now here is an interview where ACC actually admits it, then
downplays it

Here is the great interview with Clarke:

http://www.kinetikonpictures.com/books/texts/clarke.htm

dc

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

Al Hubbard

http://www.thememoryhole.org/hubbard/

Harry Bailey · External Since: Jun 04, 2007 Posts: 46

On Jul 22, 2:47 am, ichorwhip wrote:
> On Jul 21, 7:09 pm, ichorwhip wrote:
>
> > Kubrick was a Mouseketeer.

But don't they worship a Monolith made of cheese, which, after all
these years, must smell really bad.

>
> > It's a fact.

You mean like "Elvis Lives!!" or "The Martians Are Coming!" are facts,
obvious to any Buffy fan.

>
> > He also huffed airplane glue.

No wonder he became averse to flying: he was afraid that the wings
would fall off after he had his in-flight sniff 'fix'.

Boaz · External Since: Jun 05, 2007 Posts: 28

On Jul 21, 8:34 pm, Harry Bailey wrote:
> On Jul 22, 2:47 am, ichorwhip wrote:
>
> > On Jul 21, 7:09 pm, ichorwhip wrote:
>
> > > Kubrick was a Mouseketeer.
>
> But don't they worship a Monolith made of cheese, which, after all
> these years, must smell really bad.
>
> > > It's a fact.
>
> You mean like "Elvis Lives!!" or "The Martians Are Coming!" are facts,
> obvious to any Buffy fan.
>
> > > He also huffed airplane glue.
>
> No wonder he became averse to flying: he was afraid that the wings
> would fall off after he had his in-flight sniff 'fix'.

An even lesser-known incident involving Kubrick and LSD was when
George M. Cohan surreptitiously experimented with the substance after
being rejected from his army physical. The doctor, feeling sorry for
having had to turn down Cohan, gave some drugs to the famous
songwriter in hopes it would be a form of seeking inspiration for new
songs to boost the war effort. Instead Cohan had visions of a young
man, not yet born, but who would also grow up in NYC, and whose
fascination with chess and photography would evolve into making films.
He even heard the name "Stanley Kubrick," as if spoken by an Irish
priest sounding like HAL. Further in Cohan's acid-laced vision Kubrick
saw the only way he could take the next step forward on his path to
cinema history was by becoming a Buddhist. Upon coming down from this
previously unknown acid trip, Cohan was inspired to write a song that
went like this:

"Stanley Kubrick joined the Buddhists,
Just to make some movies,
He is that Stanley Kubrick boy!"

Not understanding why these lyrics had come to mind, Cohan put this
song deep into his dresser drawer, to be long forgotten. Even when
Cohan would have acid flashbacks where he'd unconsciously do Jimmy
Cagney impersonations in front of friends he would never bring up the
song he'd composed about Kubrick, for fear of being thought of as
"touched" by them, since they had never heard the name either.

When the song was recovered among his unpublished works, it was
reconceived by the Moody Blues as a tribute to Timothy Leary, as the
"Star Gate" sequence in "2001" rendered the song "redundant" by many
who heard it in its original form.

Boaz
("I understand you're fond of music.")

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

A old saying, If it looks like a bear, and smells likes a bear, and acts
like a bear, then it is a bear."

An old Zen saying: : If you see the horns of a bull above a fence, then it
is probably a bull behind the fence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfI5p6biJAI

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

"kelps" wrote in message

>A old saying, If it looks like a bear, and smells likes a bear, and acts
>like a bear, then it is a bear."
>
> An old Zen saying: : If you see the horns of a bull above a fence, then it
> is probably a bull behind the fence.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfI5p6biJAI

And the Ending:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGQ2ZZWfyNw&mode=related&search=

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

"like arrow points meeting in the air"

....................................................................................

GREAT TRANSCENDING WISDOM HEART SUTRA
Thus have I heard. The noble Bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara,
flowing in the course of profound Transcending Wisdom, saw the world
encompassing view, saw the essential emptiness of the five branches of
being, and allayed every passion.
Here Sariputra! Form is emptiness; emptiness itself is form;
form is not other than emptiness; emptiness is not other than form; what is
form, that is emptiness; what is emptiness, that is form; thus so for
feelings, perceptions, complexes, comprehension.
Here Sariputra! Everything has these aspects of emptiness: not
arising not ceasing, not stained not immaculate, not deficient not
excessive.
Therefore Sariputra, within emptiness there is no form, no
feelings, no perceptions, no complexes, no comprehension; no eye, ear, nose,
tongue, body, mind; no forms, sounds, smells, tastes, touches, things; no
eye-field coming to no mind-consciousness-field; no ignorance, no extinction
of ignorance, coming to no ageing and dying, no extinction of ageing and
dying; no passion-cause-cessation-path; no higher-knowledge; no attainment,
no non-attainment.
Therefore Sariputra, because there is no state of attainment,
Bodhisattvas rely on Transcending Wisdom to dwell serenely without attention
resistances; absent attention resistances, they are fearless, overcoming
topsy-turvy views, finally attaining Nirvana.
Manifesting in the three cycles of time, all Buddhas rely on
Transcending Wisdom to dwell fully awakened in unsurpassed complete perfect
enlightenment.
Thus know Transcending Wisdom, this great mantra, this great
knowledge mantra, this unsurpassed mantra, this unparalleled mantra, allays
every passion, truly without going astray.
So he delivered this Transcending Wisdom mantra, thus
proclaiming:
"Gone, gone, gone beyond, gone completely beyond, enlightened, amen."
"Gate, gate, paragate, parasamgate, bodhi, svaha."
- Wisdom Heart Sutra.

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

"Dr. Sidney Gottlieb

CIA Technical Services Staff director for the MK-ULTRA program

Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, the CIA's expert on lethal poisons, (who reputedly was
the inspiration for director Stanley Kubrick's bizarre " Dr. Strangelove "
character played by Peter Sellers in the 1964 film of the same title) headed
up the operation as director of the Chemical Division of the Technical
Services Staff and, via a front organization called "The Society For Human
Ecology," distributed $25 million in drug research grants to Harvard,
Stanford, UC Berkeley and other institutions. "

Now the fellow named AL Hubbard was involved with the distribution of LSD in
the 60's at a time when it was legal (made illegal in the US in Oct 1966)
The actual documents are available due to the freedom of information act.
Plenty of photocopies of the documentation are on the Internet. In
interviews with Al Hubbard, Kubrick was mentioned as one or many
celebrities, who were turned on.

But one might need to use a bit of a detective work and use some good old
fashioned propositional inference..to get to the heart of the matter. And
even then it can only be verified by actual experiential proof.

So basically "Dr. Strangelove," was handing out LSD and testing it on people
without their knowledge and then when this leaked out quite a few
psychiatrists and their more famous patients or acquaintances felt quite
justified at the time to experiment with this amazing LSD thing. AL Hubbard
was not the only Johnny Apple seed of LSD. There were a number of well-known
doctors, dentist and psychiatrist and psychologist willing to use LSD
therapeutically. It was quickly realized that it was not a good treatment
for schizophrenia, but with stable, sober individuals, under good
circumstances and with some preparation, could result in the biggest life
changing experience ever possible for a person to achieve.

What more can a Psychologist or Psychiatrist seek, but to assist a client
with a massive life changing experience? Only the most entrenched and
ignorant schools of psychology/psychiatry, with their hands out to the
governments, rejected LSD research.

Here was where people began to see the parallels between the ideals of a
physician or healer or guide, and Shaman, the Medicine Man, and
Bodhisattvas. A cottage New Age industry, grew up around this original
watering down of the primary experience. The CIA saw it as a possible weapon
and then rejected it as a weapon.

.....................................................................................

Some of us had major life changing experiences when we were able to see
reality as it really is. This was the greatest gift from the universe to
people, much like SK's monolith and the Buddhist Great Mandala. The Law
itself is the amrita, (visionary necter--food of the gods).

How different the pessimism in Sk's other films and in exultation of 2001.
One deeply steeped in pessmism, can backslide into or cycle through
pessimism and optimism. One should always try to find or return to their
original prime point. That is why, practice is necessary. No one can
retain enlightenment until they have passed the stage of non-retrogression.

dc

ichorwhip · External Since: Jun 08, 2007 Posts: 36

On Jul 21, 10:34 pm, Harry Bailey wrote:
> On Jul 22, 2:47 am, ichorwhip wrote:
>
> > On Jul 21, 7:09 pm, ichorwhip wrote:
>
> > > Kubrick was a Mouseketeer.
>
> But don't they worship a Monolith made of cheese, which, after all
> these years, must smell really bad.
>

Start the Funicello, it's getting kind of Limburgery in hea...

> > > It's a fact.
>
> You mean like "Elvis Lives!!" or "The Martians Are Coming!" are facts,
> obvious to any Buffy fan.

"It's incredibly obvious isn't it?"

> > > He also huffed airplane glue.
>
> No wonder he became averse to flying: he was afraid that the wings
> would fall off after he had his in-flight sniff 'fix'.

Icarus Wrecks?

"Why, you realize that... seventy percent of you is water."
i
"piop"

blue · External Since: Jul 22, 2007 Posts: 6

kelps wrote:

> "Dr. Sidney Gottlieb
>
> CIA Technical Services Staff director for the MK-ULTRA program
>
> Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, the CIA's expert on lethal poisons, (who reputedly
> was the inspiration for director Stanley Kubrick's bizarre " Dr.
> Strangelove " character played by Peter Sellers in the 1964 film of the
> same title) headed up the operation as director of the Chemical Division
> of the Technical Services Staff and, via a front organization called
> "The Society For Human Ecology," distributed $25 million in drug
> research grants to Harvard, Stanford, UC Berkeley and other institutions. "
>
> Now the fellow named AL Hubbard was involved with the distribution of
> LSD in the 60's at a time when it was legal (made illegal in the US in
> Oct 1966) The actual documents are available due to the freedom of
> information act. Plenty of photocopies of the documentation are on the
> Internet. In interviews with Al Hubbard, Kubrick was mentioned as one or
> many celebrities, who were turned on.
>
> But one might need to use a bit of a detective work and use some good
> old fashioned propositional inference..to get to the heart of the
> matter. And even then it can only be verified by actual experiential proof.
>
> So basically "Dr. Strangelove," was handing out LSD and testing it on
> people without their knowledge and then when this leaked out quite a few
> psychiatrists and their more famous patients or acquaintances felt quite
> justified at the time to experiment with this amazing LSD thing. AL
> Hubbard was not the only Johnny Apple seed of LSD. There were a number
> of well-known doctors, dentist and psychiatrist and psychologist willing
> to use LSD therapeutically. It was quickly realized that it was not a
> good treatment for schizophrenia, but with stable, sober individuals,
> under good circumstances and with some preparation, could result in the
> biggest life changing experience ever possible for a person to achieve.
>
> What more can a Psychologist or Psychiatrist seek, but to assist a
> client with a massive life changing experience? Only the most entrenched
> and ignorant schools of psychology/psychiatry, with their hands out to
> the governments, rejected LSD research.
>
> Here was where people began to see the parallels between the ideals of a
> physician or healer or guide, and Shaman, the Medicine Man, and
> Bodhisattvas. A cottage New Age industry, grew up around this original
> watering down of the primary experience. The CIA saw it as a possible
> weapon and then rejected it as a weapon.
>
>
>
> ....................................................................................
>
>
> Some of us had major life changing experiences when we were able to see
> reality as it really is. This was the greatest gift from the universe to
> people, much like SK's monolith and the Buddhist Great Mandala. The Law
> itself is the amrita, (visionary necter--food of the gods).
>
> How different the pessimism in Sk's other films and in exultation of
> 2001. One deeply steeped in pessmism, can backslide into or cycle
> through pessimism and optimism. One should always try to find or return
> to their original prime point. That is why, practice is necessary. No
> one can retain enlightenment until they have passed the stage of
> non-retrogression.
>
> dc
>

If this is enlightned consider me running a million miles in the other
direction.

Tobasco · External Since: Jul 22, 2007 Posts: 4

On Jul 21, 3:14 am, "kelps" wrote:

> >> SK also experiemented with LSD.
>
> > Documentation?
>
> Documentation for this is available in a number of books pertaining to the
> history of the 1960's. I have also posted the web site with the well-known
> person in the LSD story, who was like a Johnny Appleseed of LSD...At a time
> when it was still legal and being used in psychiatry, and afterwards. You
> have to realize that this guy is famous to the hippie historians and people
> that were there.
>
> Here is another link that among other things says:
>
> "And of course, it caused a little stir with the Hippies of the
> Haight-Ashbury and much of Western culture in the 1960s. Tim Leary, Ken
> Kesey, Aldous Huxley, Cary Grant, Stanley Kubrick, Elvis...to name just a
> few modern initiates."
>
> Al Hubbard was a doctor (nicknamed 'Captain Trips') who had secret
> connections to the CIA. He indoctrinated an estimated 6,000 people to LSD
> before it was effectively banned in 1966, sharing the sacrament with a
> prominent Monsignor of the Catholic Church in North America, plumbing the
> roots of alcoholism with AA founder Bill Wilson, and gatecrashing the pearly
> gates with Aldous Huxley (in a session that resulted in the psychedelic tome
> Doors of Perception). It was through Hubbard (who was rumoured to have the
> biggest supply of LSD in the world after Sandoz themselves) that many of the
> Beverly Hills psychiatrists turned on actors Cary Grant, James Coburn, Jack
> Nicholson, novelist Anais Nin, and filmmaker Stanley Kubrick, amongst
> hundreds of others. And it was around here the cultural vector of LSD
> started charting off the scale, as word of mouth spread to the street and
> recreational use kicked off.
>
> http://undergrowth.org/rebirth_the_psychedelic_movement_comes_of_age_...
>

This is "documentation"? It's an (arguably), interesting paste-up of
journalistic blogs relaying various elements of anecdote, facts and
second/third hand information - hardly qualifying as authoritative
documentaion.
e.g. Not far into the article Dr. Razam ascribes positive verification
to Gordon Wasson's theory of ergot derived LSD comprising a crucial
element of the Eleusinian Mysteries --- a theory even Wasson admitted
is tenuous and nearly entirely inductive in premise i.e.- a reasonble
intuitive workup in dire need of factual support. The Razam goes on
to include Homer ("possibly") as an Mysteries
initiate. The existence or not of an actual Homer aside - the sole
depiction of Dionysos (a primary figure in the rites) in the Iliad is
far from flattering and not likely the phrasing of a Mysteries
initiate. That's just for starters. Fun article tho.

As for Kubrick - who knows? He denied having taken it and considering
the political/cultural climate of the time was probably wise to do
so. And yes --- the peak/plateau depiction of the Stargate Bedroom
sequence in 2001 is entirely imaginable or more emphatically, entirely
reailzable by the uninitiated. Nevermind that vague metallic taste...

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

"Tobasco" wrote in message

> On Jul 21, 3:14 am, "kelps" wrote:
>>>
>
> This is "documentation"? It's an (arguably), interesting paste-up of
> journalistic blogs relaying various elements of anecdote, facts and
> second/third hand information - hardly qualifying as authoritative
> documentaion.
> e.g. Not far into the article Dr. Razam ascribes positive verification
> to Gordon Wasson's theory of ergot derived LSD comprising a crucial
> element of the Eleusinian Mysteries --- a theory even Wasson admitted
> is tenuous and nearly entirely inductive in premise i.e.- a reasonble
> intuitive workup in dire need of factual support. The Razam goes on
> to include Homer ("possibly") as an Mysteries
> initiate. The existence or not of an actual Homer aside - the sole
> depiction of Dionysos (a primary figure in the rites) in the Iliad is
> far from flattering and not likely the phrasing of a Mysteries
> initiate. That's just for starters. Fun article tho.

What IS tenuous is identifying exactly what recipes of visionary plants were
involved in each of the cultures, since all of these things are ubiquitous
in every ancient culture. The wasson argument is tenuous because there are
numerous possibilites as to the primary choice of those greeks. It is true,
though that historical Ergot poisonings are found throughout the globe. The
data today suggests that in these olf cultures, they were using combinations
of things in recipes and now the role of the Blue lotus and the many plants
containing DMT are known now.

> As for Kubrick - who knows? He denied having taken it and considering
> the political/cultural climate of the time was probably wise to do
> so. And yes --- the peak/plateau depiction of the Stargate Bedroom
> sequence in 2001 is entirely imaginable or more emphatically, entirely
> reailzable by the uninitiated. Nevermind that vague metallic taste...

In 1968 it was not "realizable by the unititiated." in fact it's NEVER
realizable by the uninitiated.

The reality is that even in the interviews where Kubrick is asked direct
questions he never emphatically denies it. it fact he says:
"One of the things that's turned me against LSD is that all the people I
know who use it have a peculiar inability to distinguish between things that
are really interesting and stimulating and things that appear to be so in
the state of universal bliss that the drug induces on a "good" trip. They
seem to completely lose their critical faculties and disengage themselves
from some of the most stimulating areas of life. Perhaps when everything is
beautiful, nothing is beautiful."

In this quote he says, "One of the things that's turned me against LSD"
implies that he previously was favorable to it, and then "turned against
it." This is not uncommon at all among those who experiemented with LSD, to
see many people misusing it. Integrating the peak experiences into one's
life can take a lifetime and during that integration, one needs not keep
using it. For instance, my experiences in this area were all in the 60's
and certainly there were times when I made similar statements as above. It
is only in retrospect that one can see it in the context of ones entire
life.

2 more quote from SK:

"An acid trip is probably similar to the kind of mind-boggling experience
that might occur at the moment of encountering extraterrestrial
intelligence"

"I think that the illusion of oneness with the universe, and absorption with
the significance of every object in your environment, and the pervasive aura
of peace and contentment is not the ideal state for an artist"

No one, not even Kubrick could or would be able to make these kinds of
specific remarks without first hand understanding.

dc

blue · External Since: Jul 22, 2007 Posts: 6

kelps wrote:
>
> "Tobasco" wrote in message
>
>
>> On Jul 21, 3:14 am, "kelps" wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>> This is "documentation"? It's an (arguably), interesting paste-up of
>> journalistic blogs relaying various elements of anecdote, facts and
>> second/third hand information - hardly qualifying as authoritative
>> documentaion.
>> e.g. Not far into the article Dr. Razam ascribes positive verification
>> to Gordon Wasson's theory of ergot derived LSD comprising a crucial
>> element of the Eleusinian Mysteries --- a theory even Wasson admitted
>> is tenuous and nearly entirely inductive in premise i.e.- a reasonble
>> intuitive workup in dire need of factual support. The Razam goes on
>> to include Homer ("possibly") as an Mysteries
>> initiate. The existence or not of an actual Homer aside - the sole
>> depiction of Dionysos (a primary figure in the rites) in the Iliad is
>> far from flattering and not likely the phrasing of a Mysteries
>> initiate. That's just for starters. Fun article tho.
>
>
> What IS tenuous is identifying exactly what recipes of visionary plants
> were involved in each of the cultures, since all of these things are
> ubiquitous in every ancient culture. The wasson argument is tenuous
> because there are numerous possibilites as to the primary choice of
> those greeks. It is true, though that historical Ergot poisonings are
> found throughout the globe. The data today suggests that in these olf
> cultures, they were using combinations of things in recipes and now the
> role of the Blue lotus and the many plants containing DMT are known now.
>
>> As for Kubrick - who knows? He denied having taken it and considering
>> the political/cultural climate of the time was probably wise to do
>> so. And yes --- the peak/plateau depiction of the Stargate Bedroom
>> sequence in 2001 is entirely imaginable or more emphatically, entirely
>> reailzable by the uninitiated. Nevermind that vague metallic taste...
>
>
> In 1968 it was not "realizable by the unititiated." in fact it's NEVER
> realizable by the uninitiated.
>
> The reality is that even in the interviews where Kubrick is asked direct
> questions he never emphatically denies it. it fact he says:
> "One of the things that's turned me against LSD is that all the people I
> know who use it have a peculiar inability to distinguish between things
> that are really interesting and stimulating and things that appear to be
> so in the state of universal bliss that the drug induces on a "good"
> trip. They seem to completely lose their critical faculties and
> disengage themselves from some of the most stimulating areas of life.
> Perhaps when everything is beautiful, nothing is beautiful."
>
> In this quote he says, "One of the things that's turned me against LSD"
> implies that he previously was favorable to it, and then "turned against
> it." This is not uncommon at all among those who experiemented with
> LSD, to see many people misusing it. Integrating the peak experiences
> into one's life can take a lifetime and during that integration, one
> needs not keep using it. For instance, my experiences in this area were
> all in the 60's and certainly there were times when I made similar
> statements as above. It is only in retrospect that one can see it in
> the context of ones entire life.
>
> 2 more quote from SK:
>
> "An acid trip is probably similar to the kind of mind-boggling
> experience that might occur at the moment of encountering
> extraterrestrial intelligence"
>
> "I think that the illusion of oneness with the universe, and absorption
> with the significance of every object in your environment, and the
> pervasive aura of peace and contentment is not the ideal state for an
> artist"
>
> No one, not even Kubrick could or would be able to make these kinds of
> specific remarks without first hand understanding.
>
>
> dc
>
>
>
Unless of course he'd been talking to Doug Trumbull.

Otius Gojius · External Since: Jul 23, 2007 Posts: 1

On Jul 21, 1:14 am, "kelps" wrote:
>
>...many of the
> Beverly Hills psychiatrists turned on actors Cary Grant, James Coburn, Jack
> Nicholson, novelist Anais Nin, and filmmaker Stanley Kubrick, amongst
> hundreds of others.

No, wait... that was supposed to say "filmmaker Sidney Kubrick!"
Never mind...

Tobasco · External Since: Jul 22, 2007 Posts: 4

On Jul 23, 2:07 pm, "kelps" wrote:

> What IS tenuous is identifying exactly what recipes of visionary plants were
> involved in each of the cultures, since all of these things are ubiquitous
> in every ancient culture. The wasson argument is tenuous because there are
> numerous possibilites as to the primary choice of those greeks. It is true,
> though that historical Ergot poisonings are found throughout the globe. The
> data today suggests that in these olf cultures, they were using combinations
> of things in recipes and now the role of the Blue lotus and the many plants
> containing DMT are known now.
>

No, what is unknown is whether or not psychotropics constituted any
part of the Mysteries at all. Period. To cite another culture's use
and experience with shamanistic herbs and plants provides nothing but
a 'somewhat reasonable conjecture' re: the Greek use of such material
(of which, virtually no evidence exists in literature or other
historical record). Again even Wasson admits to having only an
inferential/circumstantial framework to mold his theory around. There
is some great research being done by anthropologists and
archaeologists in this field, but to pass this sort of thing off as
fact without rigorously working through the data and empirical
evidence is just bad science.

> In 1968 it was not "realizable by the unititiated." in fact it's NEVER
> realizable by the uninitiated.
>

So I guess all them thar zen buddhists, whirling dervishes and myriad
other mystics who don't use psychedelic drugs are just pissing in the
wind huh? How quaint of them!

> In this quote he says, "One of the things that's turned me against LSD"
> implies that he previously was favorable to it, and then "turned against
> it."

No, it implies that he may have been disinterested, neutral, or mildly
interested in the exploratory use of psychedelics at some point - the
statement does not imply ever being favorable, but it does clearly
state that Kubrick did in fact turn against it. That would be
"unfavorable".

> 2 more quote from SK:
>
> "An acid trip is probably similar to the kind of mind-boggling experience
> that might occur at the moment of encountering extraterrestrial
> intelligence"
>
> "I think that the illusion of oneness with the universe, and absorption with
> the significance of every object in your environment, and the pervasive aura
> of peace and contentment is not the ideal state for an artist"
>
> No one, not even Kubrick could or would be able to make these kinds of
> specific remarks without first hand understanding.
>

But of course a person could make those kinds of specific remarks
without having direct experience. I have no doubt Kubrick was
acquainted with Huxley, Watts, Leary, Alpert's et al writings on the
subject. I further have little doubt that Kubrick was not only
acquainted with; even familiar with any number of people that were
users of psychedelics. The above observations could easily be gleaned
by a careful observer of the events occurring at the time.

Sorry Kelps this is all just so much unfounded conjecture and I really
don't grok the tabloid tone of it all. A Buddhist sect it is then?!
ok - which one?
I'm getting images of Floyd sychronizations, faked moon landings,
football helmets in the 928 at 15 mph on the freeway etc.. Are you
channeling again? Where >did< I put that aluminum foil hat...

Tobasco · External Since: Jul 22, 2007 Posts: 4

On Jul 23, 4:46 pm, Otius Gojius wrote:

>
> No, wait... that was supposed to say "filmmaker Sidney Kubrick!"
> Never mind...

Wasn't that the guy that did the "Try it - you'll like it!"
commercials? What kind of Buddhist was he?
Inquiring minds and all...

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

"At the sight of that great Stûpa of precious substances, that meteoric
phenomenon in the sky, the four classes of hearers were filled with gladness
delight, satisfaction and joy. Instantly they rose from their seats,
stretched out their joined hands, and remained standing in that position.
Then the Bodhisattva Mahâsattva Mahâpratibhâna, perceiving the world,
including gods, men, and demons, filled with curiosity, said to the Lord: O
Lord, what is the cause, what is the reason of so magnificent a Stûpa of
precious substances appearing in the world? Who is it, O Lord, who causes
that sound to go out from the magnificent Stûpa of precious substances? Thus
asked, the Lord spake to Mahapratibhâna, the Bodhisattva Mahâsattva, as
follows: In this great Stûpa of precious substances, Mahâpratibh'ana, the
proper body of the Tathâgata is contained condensed; his is the Stûpa; it is
he who causes this sound to go out." ----------Saddharma Pundarika Chapter
11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDIG-C7pnmc

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