From So Not a Cafe to So Merton...

myriadsmallcreature · External Since: Feb 24, 2010 Posts: 21

On Feb 26, 11:24 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> On Feb 26, 9:03 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
>
>
> wrote:
> > On Feb 26, 10:57 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 26, 8:24 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Previous quote is Polanski on Kubrick.
>
> > > > Odd as it may seem I think that EWS and 'The Ninth Gate' are
> > > > deliberate extensions of one another, were made with each other in
> > > > mind...
>
> > > > part of a Millennial revelation trilogy...
>
> > > > Smile

>
> > > hmmm, well I love both films although I think Polanski and Frank
> > > Langella blew the ending--such a poorly executed ceremony---then the
> > > image of the girl saved it somewhat.
>
> > > Whats the third film in that trilogy?
>
> > > dc
>
> > Did you read 'The Club Dumas'?
>
> No but i've wanted to, just never got around to it, I've heard its a
> good one.
>
> dc

There is much more to 'The Ninth Gate' that can only be understood by
reading the book.

While that is true of many adaptations it is central to 'The Ninth
Gate'.

In particular, at 86:33, the scene in the library, Corso is staring at
a picture--the wrong picture. Why is that?

As it turns out, NO ONE in the world (on the Internet anyway) has made
mention of this--even as a continuity error.

Must have been disheartening to Roman and his associates to draw so
little scrutiny at the most important moment in the film.

Although I suggest that there is a subculture quietly aware of the
meaning of that scene.

Again 86:33 in the library... nothing is happening, right? Just enough
time to go to the loo before the music starts up again.

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 203

On Feb 26, 9:38 pm, myriadsmallcreature
wrote:
> On Feb 26, 11:24 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 9:03 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
> > wrote:
> > > On Feb 26, 10:57 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 26, 8:24 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Previous quote is Polanski on Kubrick.
>
> > > > > Odd as it may seem I think that EWS and 'The Ninth Gate' are
> > > > > deliberate extensions of one another, were made with each other in
> > > > > mind...
>
> > > > > part of a Millennial revelation trilogy...
>
> > > > > Smile

>
> > > > hmmm, well I love both films although I think Polanski and Frank
> > > > Langella blew the ending--such a poorly executed ceremony---then the
> > > > image of the girl saved it somewhat.
>
> > > > Whats the third film in that trilogy?
>
> > > > dc
>
> > > Did you read 'The Club Dumas'?
>
> > No but i've wanted to, just never got around to it, I've heard its a
> > good one.
>
> > dc
>
> There is much more to 'The Ninth Gate' that can only be understood by
> reading the book.
>
> While that is true of many adaptations it is central to 'The Ninth
> Gate'.
>
> In particular, at 86:33, the scene in the library, Corso is staring at
> a picture--the wrong picture. Why is that?
>
> As it turns out, NO ONE in the world (on the Internet anyway) has made
> mention of this--even as a continuity error.
>
> Must have been disheartening to Roman and his associates to draw so
> little scrutiny at the most important moment in the film.
>
> Although I suggest that there is a subculture quietly aware of the
> meaning of that scene.
>
> Again 86:33 in the library... nothing is happening, right? Just enough
> time to go to the loo before the music starts up again.- Hide quoted text -
>

I'll check that out right now see if I had noticed anything previously

dc

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 203

On Feb 26, 9:59 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> On Feb 26, 9:38 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
>
>
>
>
> wrote:
> > On Feb 26, 11:24 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 26, 9:03 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Feb 26, 10:57 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 26, 8:24 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Previous quote is Polanski on Kubrick.
>
> > > > > > Odd as it may seem I think that EWS and 'The Ninth Gate' are
> > > > > > deliberate extensions of one another, were made with each other in
> > > > > > mind...
>
> > > > > > part of a Millennial revelation trilogy...
>
> > > > > > Smile

>
> > > > > hmmm, well I love both films although I think Polanski and Frank
> > > > > Langella blew the ending--such a poorly executed ceremony---then the
> > > > > image of the girl saved it somewhat.
>
> > > > > Whats the third film in that trilogy?
>
> > > > > dc
>
> > > > Did you read 'The Club Dumas'?
>
> > > No but i've wanted to, just never got around to it, I've heard its a
> > > good one.
>
> > > dc
>
> > There is much more to 'The Ninth Gate' that can only be understood by
> > reading the book.
>
> > While that is true of many adaptations it is central to 'The Ninth
> > Gate'.
>
> > In particular, at 86:33, the scene in the library, Corso is staring at
> > a picture--the wrong picture. Why is that?
>
> > As it turns out, NO ONE in the world (on the Internet anyway) has made
> > mention of this--even as a continuity error.
>
> > Must have been disheartening to Roman and his associates to draw so
> > little scrutiny at the most important moment in the film.
>
> > Although I suggest that there is a subculture quietly aware of the
> > meaning of that scene.
>
> > Again 86:33 in the library... nothing is happening, right? Just enough
> > time to go to the loo before the music starts up again.- Hide quoted text -
>
> I'll check that out right now see if I had noticed anything previously
>
> dc

this is what i see at 86:33
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7161/ninthgate8633.jpg

Only thing I see is the reflection in his glasses. Am I missing
something? or wrong frame?

He's just looked at the lucifer signed kessler white chessboard and
prior to that the knight on the horse and prior to that the postcard
photo.

After my 86:33 he uses the magnifier on the Balkan xerox Monk on his
knees about to be beheaded

So elucidate

dc

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7161/ninthgate8633.jpg

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 203

On Feb 26, 11:15 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> On Feb 26, 9:59 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 9:38 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
> > wrote:
> > > On Feb 26, 11:24 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 26, 9:03 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Feb 26, 10:57 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Feb 26, 8:24 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Previous quote is Polanski on Kubrick.
>
> > > > > > > Odd as it may seem I think that EWS and 'The Ninth Gate' are
> > > > > > > deliberate extensions of one another, were made with each other in
> > > > > > > mind...
>
> > > > > > > part of a Millennial revelation trilogy...
>
> > > > > > > Smile

>
> > > > > > hmmm, well I love both films although I think Polanski and Frank
> > > > > > Langella blew the ending--such a poorly executed ceremony---then the
> > > > > > image of the girl saved it somewhat.
>
> > > > > > Whats the third film in that trilogy?
>
> > > > > > dc
>
> > > > > Did you read 'The Club Dumas'?
>
> > > > No but i've wanted to, just never got around to it, I've heard its a
> > > > good one.
>
> > > > dc
>
> > > There is much more to 'The Ninth Gate' that can only be understood by
> > > reading the book.
>
> > > While that is true of many adaptations it is central to 'The Ninth
> > > Gate'.
>
> > > In particular, at 86:33, the scene in the library, Corso is staring at
> > > a picture--the wrong picture. Why is that?
>
> > > As it turns out, NO ONE in the world (on the Internet anyway) has made
> > > mention of this--even as a continuity error.
>
> > > Must have been disheartening to Roman and his associates to draw so
> > > little scrutiny at the most important moment in the film.
>
> > > Although I suggest that there is a subculture quietly aware of the
> > > meaning of that scene.
>
> > > Again 86:33 in the library... nothing is happening, right? Just enough
> > > time to go to the loo before the music starts up again.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > I'll check that out right now see if I had noticed anything previously
>
> > dc
>
> this is what i see at 86:33http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7161/ninthgate8633.jpg
>
> Only thing I see is the reflection in his glasses. Am I missing
> something? or wrong frame?
>
> He's just looked at the lucifer signed kessler white chessboard and
> prior to that the knight on the horse and prior to that the postcard
> photo.
>
> After my 86:33 he uses the magnifier on the Balkan xerox Monk on his
> knees about to be beheaded
>
> So elucidate
>
> dc
>
> http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7161/ninthgate8633.jpg- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Just before he is hit on the head he falls into the Kesseler photo of
the monk

dc

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 203

>
> Just before he is hit on the head he falls into the Kesseler photo of
> the monk
>
> dc-

correction: after he is hit on head he falls...etc

myriadsmallcreature · External Since: Feb 24, 2010 Posts: 21

On Feb 27, 1:21 am, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> On Feb 26, 11:15 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 9:59 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 26, 9:38 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Feb 26, 11:24 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
> > > > > On Feb 26, 9:03 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On Feb 26, 10:57 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Feb 26, 8:24 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Previous quote is Polanski on Kubrick.
>
> > > > > > > > Odd as it may seem I think that EWS and 'The Ninth Gate' are
> > > > > > > > deliberate extensions of one another, were made with each other in
> > > > > > > > mind...
>
> > > > > > > > part of a Millennial revelation trilogy...
>
> > > > > > > > Smile

>
> > > > > > > hmmm, well I love both films although I think Polanski and Frank
> > > > > > > Langella blew the ending--such a poorly executed ceremony---then the
> > > > > > > image of the girl saved it somewhat.
>
> > > > > > > Whats the third film in that trilogy?
>
> > > > > > > dc
>
> > > > > > Did you read 'The Club Dumas'?
>
> > > > > No but i've wanted to, just never got around to it, I've heard its a
> > > > > good one.
>
> > > > > dc
>
> > > > There is much more to 'The Ninth Gate' that can only be understood by
> > > > reading the book.
>
> > > > While that is true of many adaptations it is central to 'The Ninth
> > > > Gate'.
>
> > > > In particular, at 86:33, the scene in the library, Corso is staring at
> > > > a picture--the wrong picture. Why is that?
>
> > > > As it turns out, NO ONE in the world (on the Internet anyway) has made
> > > > mention of this--even as a continuity error.
>
> > > > Must have been disheartening to Roman and his associates to draw so
> > > > little scrutiny at the most important moment in the film.
>
> > > > Although I suggest that there is a subculture quietly aware of the
> > > > meaning of that scene.
>
> > > > Again 86:33 in the library... nothing is happening, right? Just enough
> > > > time to go to the loo before the music starts up again.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > I'll check that out right now see if I had noticed anything previously
>
> > > dc
>
> > this is what i see at 86:33http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7161/ninthgate8633.jpg
>
> > Only thing I see is the reflection in his glasses. Am I missing
> > something? or wrong frame?
>
> > He's just looked at the lucifer signed kessler white chessboard and
> > prior to that the knight on the horse and prior to that the postcard
> > photo.
>
> > After my 86:33 he uses the magnifier on the Balkan xerox Monk on his
> > knees about to be beheaded
>
> > So elucidate
>
> > dc
>
> >http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7161/ninthgate8633.jpg-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Just before he is hit on the head he falls into the Kesseler photo of
> the monk
>
> dc

But he's looking at the wrong picture. That much is discernible by
attending only to the movie.

Why is he looking at that engraving? Who is the executioner?

Those questions can only be entertained intelligently only by reading
the book.

It's unfair really to expect the audience to reach that second level
of understanding.

So Polanski is making a movie on at least three levels (and more). The
first level is a horror/adventure movie. On this level, it is dreadful
in my opinion. Little effort was expended in that effort. The next
level is a mystery of sorts, demanding closer attention by the
audience. The audience has not been interested in playing. The third
level is revelation of several kinds, some of which can be gleaned
from the movie itself, some demands more. But I'm being redundant.

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 203

On Feb 26, 11:45 pm, myriadsmallcreature
wrote:
> On Feb 27, 1:21 am, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 11:15 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 26, 9:59 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 26, 9:38 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Feb 26, 11:24 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Feb 26, 9:03 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > On Feb 26, 10:57 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Feb 26, 8:24 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Previous quote is Polanski on Kubrick.
>
> > > > > > > > > Odd as it may seem I think that EWS and 'The Ninth Gate' are
> > > > > > > > > deliberate extensions of one another, were made with each other in
> > > > > > > > > mind...
>
> > > > > > > > > part of a Millennial revelation trilogy...
>
> > > > > > > > > Smile

>
> > > > > > > > hmmm, well I love both films although I think Polanski and Frank
> > > > > > > > Langella blew the ending--such a poorly executed ceremony---then the
> > > > > > > > image of the girl saved it somewhat.
>
> > > > > > > > Whats the third film in that trilogy?
>
> > > > > > > > dc
>
> > > > > > > Did you read 'The Club Dumas'?
>
> > > > > > No but i've wanted to, just never got around to it, I've heard its a
> > > > > > good one.
>
> > > > > > dc
>
> > > > > There is much more to 'The Ninth Gate' that can only be understood by
> > > > > reading the book.
>
> > > > > While that is true of many adaptations it is central to 'The Ninth
> > > > > Gate'.
>
> > > > > In particular, at 86:33, the scene in the library, Corso is staring at
> > > > > a picture--the wrong picture. Why is that?
>
> > > > > As it turns out, NO ONE in the world (on the Internet anyway) has made
> > > > > mention of this--even as a continuity error.
>
> > > > > Must have been disheartening to Roman and his associates to draw so
> > > > > little scrutiny at the most important moment in the film.
>
> > > > > Although I suggest that there is a subculture quietly aware of the
> > > > > meaning of that scene.
>
> > > > > Again 86:33 in the library... nothing is happening, right? Just enough
> > > > > time to go to the loo before the music starts up again.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > I'll check that out right now see if I had noticed anything previously
>
> > > > dc
>
> > > this is what i see at 86:33http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7161/ninthgate8633.jpg
>
> > > Only thing I see is the reflection in his glasses. Am I missing
> > > something? or wrong frame?
>
> > > He's just looked at the lucifer signed kessler white chessboard and
> > > prior to that the knight on the horse and prior to that the postcard
> > > photo.
>
> > > After my 86:33 he uses the magnifier on the Balkan xerox Monk on his
> > > knees about to be beheaded
>
> > > So elucidate
>
> > > dc
>
> > >http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7161/ninthgate8633.jpg-Hidequoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Just before he is hit on the head he falls into the Kesseler photo of
> > the monk
>
> > dc
>
> But he's looking at the wrong picture. That much is discernible by
> attending only to the movie.
>
> Why is he looking at that engraving? Who is the executioner?
>
> Those questions can only be entertained intelligently only by reading
> the book.
>
> It's unfair really to expect the audience to reach that second level
> of understanding.
>
> So Polanski is making a movie on at least three levels (and more). The
> first level is a horror/adventure movie. On this level, it is dreadful
> in my opinion. Little effort was expended in that effort. The next
> level is a mystery of sorts, demanding closer attention by the
> audience. The audience has not been interested in playing. The third
> level is revelation of several kinds, some of which can be gleaned
> from the movie itself, some demands more. But I'm being redundant

Well ya got me watching the whole thing again. I hope the book is at
Barnes and Moble or Borders. I'll pick it up tomorrow.
Is that frame i linked the same frame you are talking about?

So who is the executioner? we don't see the signatures on the
executioner prints.

Which picture is the forgery?

I can wait to read it and see what I think.

dc

myriadsmallcreature · External Since: Feb 24, 2010 Posts: 21

> Is that frame i linked the same frame you are talking about?
>

Roughly. The scene lasts about a minute or so.

> So who is the executioner? we don't see the signatures on the
> executioner prints.

The answer is in the book. The real question is why?

> Which picture is the forgery?

That's a whole other thing. The girl is leading him, obviously. But
she isn't exactly telling him the truth about the engraving either.

myriadsmallcreature · External Since: Feb 24, 2010 Posts: 21

You might try the director's commentary.

Above, you said...

"One thing about EWS I like to be able to look at it with the
conspiratorial POV as if we have to start with the premise that EWS is
a message about a REAL:life conspiracy Kubrick was privy too and he is
acting as a whistleblower, rather then it just being him playing with
conspiracy theory for fun and creative mindgames. I find the most
entertainment value in that POV."

My original take on the possible Merton connection was that it showed
Kubrick's opinion (unfavorable) of the orgy. Certainly, deviance and
anomie characterize the action and the participants. I'm not
necessarily so interested in the real-life models for the characters,
as others similar would likely arise to fill any void, in their
absence. If you follow my meaning.

However, Kubrick does leave what may be interpreted as a clue in the
New York Post article. 'The Club Dumas' makes a more thorough catalog
of likely suspects. IMO.

Which is not to say the two groups are necessarily the same. Or have
the same agenda. Or that either of the two have anything to do with
Polanski.

Just saying.

Smile

myriadsmallcreature · External Since: Feb 24, 2010 Posts: 21

Just a note: The Kubrick family publicly denounced the publication of
'Eyes Wide Open', claiming that it was irresponsible and/or
inaccurate. Perhaps Katharina will deign to interject here.

My hazy recollection is that it came up in conversation between
Stanley and the author in regards to Doctor Bill walking around with
so much cash in the middle of the night. My memory, if I remember
correctly, is not what it used to be, if it ever was. There was not
much more discussed or divulged about two kinds of Jewishness than
that. For instance, Jewish by blood versus conversion to Judaism did
not explicitly enter the conversation. I found it remarkable that he/
they would make any such distinction. I believe it was Stanley who
made the remark.

Katharina?

If it is of interest to you, CM, I could reorder the book through my
local library and relate precisely what was said. Let me know.

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 203

On Mar 11, 2:56 pm, myriadsmallcreature
wrote:
> Just a note: The Kubrick family publicly denounced the publication of
> 'Eyes Wide Open', claiming that it was irresponsible and/or
> inaccurate. Perhaps Katharina will deign to interject here.
>
> My hazy recollection is that it came up in conversation between
> Stanley and the author in regards to Doctor Bill walking around with
> so much cash in the middle of the night. My memory, if I remember
> correctly, is not what it used to be, if it ever was. There was not
> much more discussed or divulged about two kinds of Jewishness than
> that. For instance, Jewish by blood versus conversion to Judaism did
> not explicitly enter the conversation. I found it remarkable that he/
> they would make any such distinction. I believe it was Stanley who
> made the remark.
>
> Katharina?
>
> If it is of interest to you, CM, I could reorder the book through my
> local library and relate precisely what was said. Let me know.

Well, well well., Lord Bullingdon! It's about time. actually your
style gave you away...as welll as your Pink Floyd passion.

Last time you were here I was one of very few who thought you had the
right to express your opinions and found you more entertaining then
most. But I never will back up people getting nasty or insulting to
Kubrick family as you had earlier then that.

dc

----------------------------------------------------------

"I am a 22 year-old Brazilian. I am single. I live in Sao Paulo,
in the southeast region of the country. I'm a mechanical
engineer, and I'm making an MBA on Business Administration at
USP (Federal University of Sao Paulo). I have one brother.

I like classical music (specially Bach, Beethoven and
Schubert), Jazz and progressive rock****** (specially Pink
Floyd).******* I
love cinema, specially the films from Kubrick, Ingmar Bergman,
Akira Kurosawa and Luchino Visconti. I like travelling, and I
have visited Europe (England, France, Czeck Republic, Italy,
Switzerland, Spain and Germany) and United States. I'm 1.76 m
high, and weight 82 kg.

I use hotmail because it was the first one I found. I also have
another mail address, but I don't use it anymore.

Did I answer your question?

L.B. "

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 203

I would love to see---for entertainment purposes----you and Padraig
(Harry Bailey,) ( Gnome) etc. having a nice long discussion.

You might attract to old crew back to amk for al ittle more of the in
and out.

dc

myriadsmallcreature · External Since: Feb 24, 2010 Posts: 21

On Mar 11, 7:05 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> I would love to see---for entertainment purposes----you and Padraig
> (Harry Bailey,) ( Gnome) etc. having a nice long discussion.
>
> You might attract to old crew back to amk for al ittle more of the in
> and out.
>
> dc

Sorry to disappoint, but I've kept the same name throughout my
Internet career from 2004 forward. Wrong continent, age, education,
interests, height and weight, etc. Maybe we're twins.

Smile

Close to 7 billion of us standing toe to toe on this island, we're
bound to resemble one another. There are reasons especially why your
LB and I might both share an interest in the Floyd and Kubrick, just
as there is a reason why David Gilmour would name one of his songs
'Childhood's End' and put Clarke's prose into his songs.

I have nothing against the Kubrick family. Exchanged a few emails with
Katharina through her studio email account. She was friendlier than I
had a right to expect. But not informative regarding the subject
matter at hand. Which was to be expected.

Ultimately, as the publius says it's more important to attend the
words, not who says them. Though I understand why you might read my
profile, check my old posts: to get an idea who you're dealing with.
Indeed, that's why I keep the same email account for all my posts. For
the sake of continuity.

Fortunately or unfortunately, I won't tip my hand about what I believe
is happening. First of all, you wouldn't believe me. Secondly, it
would deny you the pure joy of self-discovery.

But it doesn't matter. I have discovered through repetition that those
who believe in TPTB or the xyz conspiracy or the Illuminati--or
whatever--have too much invested in their research to give up their
hard-won beliefs easily. Not that I'm referring to you necessarily. I
can't say. Just that anything more than a few words here and there
soon reach the point of diminishing returns.

I do want to say this: Knowledge is disciplinary, wisdom
interdisciplinary. Forums often suffer just because of their subject
matter and because of it end up rehashing the same material over and
over. Kubrick was who he was because his mind wandered everywhere, and
saw connections everywhere. We do well to follow that lead. Off topic
with a purpose. It has to do with the left and the right. The red and
the blue. Don't you want to go where the rainbow ends?

Have you seen the new release of Jung's 'The Red Book? In this, his
life's magnum opus, he is obsessed with one symbol. What is it?

Smile

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 203

On Mar 11, 6:18 pm, myriadsmallcreature
wrote:
> On Mar 11, 7:05 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
> > I would love to see---for entertainment purposes----you and Padraig
> > (Harry Bailey,) ( Gnome) etc. having a nice long discussion.
>
> > You might attract to old crew back to amk for al ittle more of the in
> > and out.
>
> > dc
>
> Sorry to disappoint, but I've kept the same name throughout my
> Internet career from 2004 forward. Wrong continent, age, education,
> interests, height and weight, etc. Maybe we're twins.
>
> Smile

Oh well. Do an archive search for Lord Bullingdon get some laughs.

Creeping cryptography, always culminating in a bitter explosion

>
> Close to 7 billion of us standing toe to toe on this island, we're
> bound to resemble one another. There are reasons especially why your
> LB and I might both share an interest in the Floyd and Kubrick, just
> as there is a reason why David Gilmour would name one of his songs
> 'Childhood's End' and put Clarke's prose into his songs.

Plausible., I don't recall LB denying he was he, on various
appearances.
Then you must remember LB?

>
> I have nothing against the Kubrick family. Exchanged a few emails with
> Katharina through her studio email account. She was friendlier than I
> had a right to expect. But not informative regarding the subject
> matter at hand. Which was to be expected.

Sorry then

> Ultimately, as the publius says it's more important to attend the
> words, not who says them. Though I understand why you might read my
> profile, check my old posts: to get an idea who you're dealing with.
> Indeed, that's why I keep the same email account for all my posts. For
> the sake of continuity.
>

> Fortunately or unfortunately, I won't tip my hand about what I believe
> is happening. First of all, you wouldn't believe me. Secondly, it
> would deny you the pure joy of self-discovery

I've never been big on spoilers, but frankly nothing surprises me
anymore,

Still the creeping-crypto-socratic writing style is old to me. I'm
all for forthrightness.

After all it is just opinion neh?

> But it doesn't matter. I have discovered through repetition that those
> who believe in TPTB or the xyz conspiracy or the Illuminati--or
> whatever--have too much invested in their research to give up their
> hard-won beliefs easily. Not that I'm referring to you necessarily. I
> can't say. Just that anything more than a few words here and there
> soon reach the point of diminishing returns.

I think you took some cynicism of mine as acceptance or denial when in
reality it was an attempt at dry humor.
Like global warming "science" nothing is settled.

if reading those books you recommended should cause me to discover
your theory then feel free to hold back the spoilers, but thats not
important. Feel free to expound in crupto if you like but srsly just
say what you mean. If it's foul i'll tell you.

> I do want to say this: Knowledge is disciplinary, wisdom
> interdisciplinary. Forums often suffer just because of their subject
> matter and because of it end up rehashing the same material over and
> over. Kubrick was who he was because his mind wandered everywhere, and
> saw connections everywhere. We do well to follow that lead. Off topic
> with a purpose. It has to do with the left and the right. The red and
> the blue. Don't you want to go where the rainbow ends?
>
> Have you seen the new release of Jung's 'The Red Book? In this, his
> life's magnum opus, he is obsessed with one symbol. What is it?
>
> Smile

I've only seen the pdf about it. Lots of Old imagery a red cross Tree
of life and snake scenes....do you have the book? What is it?

Without googling it, probably his own dick in one hand and a DH
Lawrence book in the other. (my cynicism again)

dc

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 203

On Mar 11, 6:18 pm, myriadsmallcreature
wrote:
>
> I do want to say this: Knowledge is disciplinary, wisdom
> interdisciplinary.

to me, real wisdom comes entirely from practice and is experiential.

Earthly secrets and intrigue is entertainment but few things offer
much surprise.

Forums often suffer just because of their subject
> matter and because of it end up rehashing the same material over and
> over. Kubrick was who he was because his mind wandered everywhere, and
> saw connections everywhere. We do well to follow that lead. Off topic
> with a purpose. It has to do with the left and the right. The red and
> the blue. Don't you want to go where the rainbow ends?
>
> Smile

Since the rainbow never has a true beginning and end it has to be
understood in context.

dc

myriadsmallcreature · External Since: Feb 24, 2010 Posts: 21

On Mar 11, 9:08 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> On Mar 11, 6:18 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
> wrote:
>
> > I do want to say this: Knowledge is disciplinary, wisdom
> > interdisciplinary.
>
> to me, real wisdom comes entirely from practice and is experiential.
>
> Earthly secrets and intrigue is entertainment but few things offer
> much surprise.
>
> Forums often suffer just because of their subject
>
> > matter and because of it end up rehashing the same material over and
> > over. Kubrick was who he was because his mind wandered everywhere, and
> > saw connections everywhere. We do well to follow that lead. Off topic
> > with a purpose. It has to do with the left and the right. The red and
> > the blue. Don't you want to go where the rainbow ends?
>
> > Smile

>
> Since the rainbow never has a true beginning and end it has to be
> understood in context.
>
> dc

The two ends of the rainbow remain to be seen.

If you have nothing else, you'll always have your cynicism.

Relatively speaking, the multiverse is infinite, the mind is finite.
Overwhelmed by sensory data, the mind/brain compensates by reducing
the stream into patterns and models. Models communicated from others
give wisdom that cannot be got from experience alone. That is the
difference between the left and the right.

The red and the blue are the extreme limits of the range of visual
sensory perception. Or are they? Don't you want to go where the
rainbow ends?

Have you seen 'Sliding Doors', a little throwaway by Pollack?

myriadsmallcreature · External Since: Feb 24, 2010 Posts: 21

I downloaded the pdf file of 'The Red Book' (illegally?) from a site
called Rapidshare? but can't find the link. Maybe it's still out there
somewhere. Maybe it's been pulled.

If you look at it, you'll find the wisdom he has to offer by
recreating his experience, as is your preference.

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 203

On Mar 11, 7:24 pm, myriadsmallcreature
wrote:
> On Mar 11, 9:08 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 11, 6:18 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
> > wrote:
>
> > > I do want to say this: Knowledge is disciplinary, wisdom
> > > interdisciplinary.
>
> > to me, real wisdom comes entirely from practice and is experiential.
>
> > Earthly secrets and intrigue is entertainment but few things offer
> > much surprise.
>
> > Forums often suffer just because of their subject
>
> > > matter and because of it end up rehashing the same material over and
> > > over. Kubrick was who he was because his mind wandered everywhere, and
> > > saw connections everywhere. We do well to follow that lead. Off topic
> > > with a purpose. It has to do with the left and the right. The red and
> > > the blue. Don't you want to go where the rainbow ends?
>
> > > Smile

>
> > Since the rainbow never has a true beginning and end it has to be
> > understood in context.
>
> > dc
>
> The two ends of the rainbow remain to be seen.
>
> If you have nothing else, you'll always have your cynicism.
>
> Relatively speaking, the multiverse is infinite, the mind is finite.
> Overwhelmed by sensory data, the mind/brain compensates by reducing
> the stream into patterns and models. Models communicated from others
> give wisdom that cannot be got from experience alone. That is the
> difference between the left and the right.
>
> The red and the blue are the extreme limits of the range of visual
> sensory perception. Or are they? Don't you want to go where the
> rainbow ends?
>
> Have you seen 'Sliding Doors', a little throwaway by Pollack?

Yes, I've seen it.To me it was Cute.

"Experience" in my meaning is not only daily life experience. I've
been a buddhist practitioner for 45 years. All inclusive experiences
I had back in 1967-68 showed me much more then lifetimes of regular
practice or thoughts. The theory or mental machinations behind it
really means nothing in the big picture.

dc

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 203

On Mar 11, 7:34 pm, myriadsmallcreature
wrote:
> I downloaded the pdf file of 'The Red Book' (illegally?) from a site
> called Rapidshare? but can't find the link. Maybe it's still out there
> somewhere. Maybe it's been pulled.
>
> If you look at it, you'll find the wisdom he has to offer by
> recreating his experience, as is your preference.

There was a direct link somewhere can't find it right now.

I have it on my computer.

I'lll take a look.

dc

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 203

On Mar 11, 7:42 pm, kelpzoidzl wrote:
> On Mar 11, 7:34 pm, myriadsmallcreature
>
> wrote:
> > I downloaded the pdf file of 'The Red Book' (illegally?) from a site
> > called Rapidshare? but can't find the link. Maybe it's still out there
> > somewhere. Maybe it's been pulled.
>
> > If you look at it, you'll find the wisdom he has to offer by
> > recreating his experience, as is your preference.
>
> There was a direct link somewhere can't find it right now.
>
> I have it on my computer.
>
> I'lll take a look.
>
> dc

Ya I have the whole thing in pdf

dc