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Brad Sondahl
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 12:14 pm    Post subject: delusional protagonists in films
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Just saw Miracle on 34th Street for the first time (It's never been at
the top of my movie wish list). Reminded me of Harvey, Don Quixote, Dr.
Strangelove, They might be Giants. All "delusional" protagonists
central to the film's (and in Strangelove's case, the world's)
direction. In most of them we delight in their heightened sense of
reality, us rooting for the little crazy guy against the sane but really
more crazy world. I suppose some of them (besides Strangelove which was
definitely, and Don Quixote which was a couple hundred years older) were
post-Bomb and McCarthy hearing deals struggling with our crazy modern
world.
When the characters are not delusional it becomes a horror movie like
Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
Other movies with delusional protagonists?

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The Secret Life of Walter Mitty

Spider (David Cronenberg film starring Ralph Fiennes and Miranda Richardson)

Jacob's Ladder
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Brad Sondahl wrote:

> Other movies with delusional protagonists?

Someone I know liked to advance the theory that NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR
was actually about a Utopian society seen through the eyes of a
paranoid schizophrenic.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:49 am    Post subject: Re: delusional protagonists in films [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Oh yes, the old
the-passionately-insane-are-better-off-than-dull-sane-normal-folks
routine.

Well, the play "Equus" (I never got around to seeing the movie) slammed
that home with all the subtlety of a bazooka. So did "King of Hearts"
starring the late Alan Bates.

As for "delusional protagonists," my favorites include Alec Guinness'
Col. Nicholson in "The Bridge on the River Kwai" and Peter O'Toole's
T.E. Lawrence in "Lawrence of Arabia."
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:28 am    Post subject: Re: delusional protagonists in films [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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>Other movies with delusional protagonists?

Conspiracy Theory
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Does Macbeth count?

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Aguirre, The Wrath of God (By the end, at least)
Blood Simple (perhaps clueless is a better description)
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The Ruling Class. Peter O'Toole starts out believing he's God.

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> Just saw Miracle on 34th Street for the first time (It's never been at
> the top of my movie wish list). Reminded me of Harvey, Don Quixote, Dr.
> Strangelove, They might be Giants. All "delusional" protagonists
> central to the film's (and in Strangelove's case, the world's)
> direction. In most of them we delight in their heightened sense of
> reality, us rooting for the little crazy guy against the sane but really
> more crazy world. I suppose some of them (besides Strangelove which was
> definitely, and Don Quixote which was a couple hundred years older) were
> post-Bomb and McCarthy hearing deals struggling with our crazy modern
> world.
> When the characters are not delusional it becomes a horror movie like
> Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
> Other movies with delusional protagonists?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 5:27 pm    Post subject: Re: delusional protagonists in films [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"JFK" (1991)

Tom Sutpen

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 5:55 pm    Post subject: Re: delusional protagonists in films [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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The Wizard of Oz
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 21, 2004 5:56 pm    Post subject: Re: delusional protagonists in films [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 21-Dec-2004, "Paul B. Thompson" wrote:

> The Ruling Class. Peter O'Toole starts out believing he's God.

But ends up with this delusion cured and accepted by his peers.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:00 am    Post subject: Re: delusional protagonists in films [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Hey, I'm trying not to spoil anything . . . ^_^



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Kevin Kline in Sophie's Choice


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> Hey, I'm trying not to spoil anything . . . ^_^
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>>>The Ruling Class. Peter O'Toole starts out believing he's God.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:15 am    Post subject: Re: delusional protagonists in films [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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> Kevin Kline in Sophie's Choice

[deletions]

Kevin Kline in _A Fish Called Wanda_.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 7:55 am    Post subject: Re: delusional protagonists in films [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Not to be rude, but given the ending of the film how can the lead
character "Miracle on 34th St." be considered "delusional?"
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 9:07 am    Post subject: Re: delusional protagonists in films [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Brad Sondahl wrote:

>Other movies with delusional protagonists?

I suppose it could be argued that the guy Jack Weston plays in "The
Incredible Mr. Limpet" is delusional, probably to the point of
insanity. Not only does he think his pal is a fish in bifocals but
this fish is some sort of Navy secret weapon, scouring the seas for
Nazis.

The whole film is quite mad, in fact.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:06 am    Post subject: Re: delusional protagonists in films [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I almost forgot "The Luzhin Defense". The book is way better than the movie,
but it's still a great example.
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> Not to be rude, but given the ending of the film how can the lead
> character "Miracle on 34th St." be considered "delusional?"

Well, "delusional" was in quotes in my original post. As in "perceived
delusional", which Mr. Kringle was. In Harvey, Elwood was the same way,
except for modest special effects to keep us rooting for his reality.
In They might be Giants, again the lead is perceived delusional...
Hmm, I wonder if Arsenic and Old Lace would fit, although the old ladies
aren't the leads...
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:33 pm    Post subject: Re: delusional protagonists in films [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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>Hmm, I wonder if Arsenic and Old Lace would fit, although the old ladies
>aren't the leads...

Well, if "perceived delusional," is enough, then Arsenic & Old Lace definitely
fits; the Cary Grant character spends much of the latter half of the movie
being perceived as delusional, even by his own fiancee!
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