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Billy
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:47 pm    Post subject: Zaxnet
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I usually do not do major software changes during a production but I
couldn't resist this one. Zaxcom emailed to me new versions of
software for the Deva and digital radios that included the new Zaxnet
features. I figured I had the old versions available so I took the
chance and did the upgrade at call the other day. It was a pretty
quick process. I burned an SD card and used it to upgrade all the
TRX-900 transmitters (and the IFB transmitter) and used a CD to
upgrade the Deva. Enabling the Zaxnet was also very easy. There is a
new button in the Setup menu to enable Zaxnet and I had to go into
each channel on the Mix 12 that had a digital receiver attached to
enable transmitter remote control via the input gain pot. I had to re-
name a couple of my transmitters because the transmitter name has to
correspond to the Mix 12 input number (hence, the transmitter named
"3" is controlled by the Mix 12 trim pot for channel 3).

The system had it's first test on the first take we did. We were
filming audience reactions and all during the filming the audience had
been murmmering. During the first take the director asked everyone to
scream. So I turned down input trim pot 10 which controlled my
wireless boom rig and it turned the transmitter gain down.

You might be wondering that if I use my input gain pots to trim the
transmitters how do I trim the inputs to the board (and the Deva)?
Each channel has a software button to toggle the trim pot between
input gain control and transmitter gain control. Once I set up the
relationship between the receiver and the board (using the tone output
on the receivers) the input gain is now set and never needs to be
adjusted so it can be switched to transmitter gain control. Each
input is controlled individually so the Zaxnet control is only applied
to channels with Zaxcom digital radios. If, for some reason, you need
both input gain control AND transmitter gain control simultaneously,
you can assign a Deva trim pot to control the transmitter in question
leaving the Mix 12 (or Mix Cool trim pot as is. I have one digital
radio that bounces because I often use it for car rigs so it's not
always plugged into the same input. I assigned this one to be
controlled by a Deva pot.

I haven't played with the re-recording features yet even though Glenn
was very eager to demonstrate them. These features allow you to
select a take or time code point and it will tell all the radios to go
to that point and play so the take can be remixed if necessary. I'll
play with this when I have some time. But very happy to say the
Zaxnet install was very quick and easy and it's working as promised.

There was one slight hitch that was quickly fixed. Zaxnet sends some
of it's data via the time code user bits so after I did the install my
slates would no longer take the ubits when jammed. Howy had a fix the
next day which temporarily turns off Zaxnet when jamming. Denecke has
upgraded software on their end so their slates can work with Zaxnet
and will soon receive time code from Zaxnet automatically. Other than
that, the ability to control my transmitter gain in real time by just
tweaking it's corresponding trim pot on the mixer is pretty wild. I
didn't notice any range issues and Friday night we were shooting in
mid-town (NYC) and I was getting very good range from both the
wireless and the return control signal.

As far as I know, this is the first field use of Zaxnet. It's now a
permanent part of my rig. It's funny. Glenn asked me what he could
work on next and I really couldn't think of anything other than
smaller transmitters.
Best,
Billy Sarokin
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Eric Toline
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 6:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Zaxnet [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Oct 18, 8:47 pm, Billy <williamsaro... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> I usually do not do major software changes during a production but I
> couldn't resist this one.  Zaxcom emailed to me new versions of
> software for the Deva and digital radios that included the new Zaxnet
> features. I figured I had the old versions available so I took the
> chance and did the upgrade at call the other day.  It was a pretty
> quick process.  I burned an SD card and used it to upgrade all the
> TRX-900 transmitters (and the IFB transmitter) and used a CD to
> upgrade the Deva.  Enabling the Zaxnet was also very easy.  There is a
> new button in the Setup menu to enable Zaxnet and I had to go into
> each channel on the Mix 12 that had a digital receiver attached to
> enable transmitter remote control via the input gain pot.  I had to re-
> name a couple of my transmitters because the transmitter name has to
> correspond to the Mix 12 input number (hence, the transmitter named
> "3" is controlled by the Mix 12 trim pot for channel 3).
>
> The system had it's first test on the first take we did.  We were
> filming audience reactions and all during the filming the audience had
> been murmmering.  During the first take the director asked everyone to
> scream.  So I turned down input trim pot 10 which controlled my
> wireless boom rig and it turned the transmitter gain down.
>
> You might be wondering that if I use my input gain pots to trim the
> transmitters how do I trim the inputs to the board (and the Deva)?
> Each channel has a software button to toggle the trim pot between
> input gain control and transmitter gain control.  Once I set up the
> relationship between the receiver and the board (using the tone output
> on the receivers) the input gain is now set and never needs to be
> adjusted so it can be switched to transmitter gain control.  Each
> input is controlled individually so the Zaxnet control is only applied
> to channels with Zaxcom digital radios.  If, for some reason, you need
> both input gain control AND transmitter gain control simultaneously,
> you can assign a Deva trim pot to control the transmitter in question
> leaving the Mix 12 (or Mix Cool trim pot as is.  I have one digital
> radio that bounces because I often use it for car rigs so it's not
> always plugged into the same input.  I assigned this one to be
> controlled by a Deva pot.
>
> I haven't played with the re-recording features yet even though Glenn
> was very eager to demonstrate them.  These features allow you to
> select a take or time code point and it will tell all the radios to go
> to that point and play so the take can be remixed if necessary.  I'll
> play with this when I have some time.  But very happy to say the
> Zaxnet install was very quick and easy and it's working as promised.
>
> There was one slight hitch that was quickly fixed.  Zaxnet sends some
> of it's data via the time code user bits so after I did the install my
> slates would no longer take the ubits when jammed.  Howy had a fix the
> next day which temporarily turns off Zaxnet when jamming.  Denecke has
> upgraded software on their end so their slates can work with Zaxnet
> and will soon receive time code from Zaxnet automatically.  Other than
> that, the ability to control my transmitter gain in real time by just
> tweaking it's corresponding trim pot on the mixer is pretty wild.  I
> didn't notice any range issues and Friday night we were shooting in
> mid-town (NYC) and I was getting very good range from both the
> wireless and the return control signal.
>
> As far as I know, this is the first field use of Zaxnet.  It's now a
> permanent part of my rig.  It's funny.  Glenn asked me what he could
> work on next and I really couldn't think of anything other than
> smaller transmitters.
> Best,
> Billy Sarokin

I saw the full Zaxnet system last week at the AES convention and as
Glenn demo'd it for me I was impressed with the features and
flexibility of the system. Good to hear it's living up to all that
Glenn said it would do.


Eric
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Matt
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: Zaxnet [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 19 Okt., 02:47, Billy <williamsaro... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> I usually do not do major software changes during a production but I
> couldn't resist this one.  Zaxcom emailed to me new versions of
> software for the Deva and digital radios that included the new Zaxnet
> features. I figured I had the old versions available so I took the
> chance and did the upgrade at call the other day.  It was a pretty
> quick process.  I burned an SD card and used it to upgrade all the
> TRX-900 transmitters (and the IFB transmitter) and used a CD to
> upgrade the Deva.  Enabling the Zaxnet was also very easy.  There is a
> new button in the Setup menu to enable Zaxnet and I had to go into
> each channel on the Mix 12 that had a digital receiver attached to
> enable transmitter remote control via the input gain pot.  I had to re-
> name a couple of my transmitters because the transmitter name has to
> correspond to the Mix 12 input number (hence, the transmitter named
> "3" is controlled by the Mix 12 trim pot for channel 3).
>
> The system had it's first test on the first take we did.  We were
> filming audience reactions and all during the filming the audience had
> been murmmering.  During the first take the director asked everyone to
> scream.  So I turned down input trim pot 10 which controlled my
> wireless boom rig and it turned the transmitter gain down.
>
> You might be wondering that if I use my input gain pots to trim the
> transmitters how do I trim the inputs to the board (and the Deva)?
> Each channel has a software button to toggle the trim pot between
> input gain control and transmitter gain control.  Once I set up the
> relationship between the receiver and the board (using the tone output
> on the receivers) the input gain is now set and never needs to be
> adjusted so it can be switched to transmitter gain control.  Each
> input is controlled individually so the Zaxnet control is only applied
> to channels with Zaxcom digital radios.  If, for some reason, you need
> both input gain control AND transmitter gain control simultaneously,
> you can assign a Deva trim pot to control the transmitter in question
> leaving the Mix 12 (or Mix Cool trim pot as is.  I have one digital
> radio that bounces because I often use it for car rigs so it's not
> always plugged into the same input.  I assigned this one to be
> controlled by a Deva pot.
>
> I haven't played with the re-recording features yet even though Glenn
> was very eager to demonstrate them.  These features allow you to
> select a take or time code point and it will tell all the radios to go
> to that point and play so the take can be remixed if necessary.  I'll
> play with this when I have some time.  But very happy to say the
> Zaxnet install was very quick and easy and it's working as promised.
>
> There was one slight hitch that was quickly fixed.  Zaxnet sends some
> of it's data via the time code user bits so after I did the install my
> slates would no longer take the ubits when jammed.  Howy had a fix the
> next day which temporarily turns off Zaxnet when jamming.  Denecke has
> upgraded software on their end so their slates can work with Zaxnet
> and will soon receive time code from Zaxnet automatically.  Other than
> that, the ability to control my transmitter gain in real time by just
> tweaking it's corresponding trim pot on the mixer is pretty wild.  I
> didn't notice any range issues and Friday night we were shooting in
> mid-town (NYC) and I was getting very good range from both the
> wireless and the return control signal.
>
> As far as I know, this is the first field use of Zaxnet.  It's now a
> permanent part of my rig.  It's funny.  Glenn asked me what he could
> work on next and I really couldn't think of anything other than
> smaller transmitters.
> Best,
> Billy Sarokin

Hi Billy,

is that gain setting audible? so far it was in 2dB steps I believe and
not designed for mid take adjustment (one couldnt do it mid take
anyway)

Matthias
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:12 am    Post subject: Re: Zaxnet [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Oct 19, 1:47 am, Billy <williamsaro... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> I
>  Glenn asked me what he could
> work on next and I really couldn't think of anything other than
> smaller transmitters.
> Best,
> Billy Sarokin

Billy!
If Glen has some spare time maybe he could work on some of the
features for the DEVA 5 that he has been promising UK owners for at
least three years!!!!
Malcolm Davies. A.m.p.s. (Production Sound Mixer.)
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Billy
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: Zaxnet [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Hi Matt,
I haven't heard any noise though one other user told me he did hear a
digital 'zipper' noise on some of his older units. I have 10
transmitters and none had any noise. My initial guess is that there
might be an issue with older hardware but I'm waiting to get further
info. Some of my radios go back to the inital hardware run and I'm
not hearing any noise on those. I've been making adjustments mid take
with no problem. Of course I always try to make gain changes when the
character isn't speaking.
Best,
Billy


On Oct 19, 10:54 am, Matt <stuffandze....RemoveThis@yahoo.de> wrote:
> On 19 Okt., 02:47, Billy <williamsaro....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I usually do not do major software changes during a production but I
> > couldn't resist this one.  Zaxcom emailed to me new versions of
> > software for the Deva and digital radios that included the new Zaxnet
> > features. I figured I had the old versions available so I took the
> > chance and did the upgrade at call the other day.  It was a pretty
> > quick process.  I burned an SD card and used it to upgrade all the
> > TRX-900 transmitters (and the IFB transmitter) and used a CD to
> > upgrade the Deva.  Enabling the Zaxnet was also very easy.  There is a
> > new button in the Setup menu to enable Zaxnet and I had to go into
> > each channel on the Mix 12 that had a digital receiver attached to
> > enable transmitter remote control via the input gain pot.  I had to re-
> > name a couple of my transmitters because the transmitter name has to
> > correspond to the Mix 12 input number (hence, the transmitter named
> > "3" is controlled by the Mix 12 trim pot for channel 3).
>
> > The system had it's first test on the first take we did.  We were
> > filming audience reactions and all during the filming the audience had
> > been murmmering.  During the first take the director asked everyone to
> > scream.  So I turned down input trim pot 10 which controlled my
> > wireless boom rig and it turned the transmitter gain down.
>
> > You might be wondering that if I use my input gain pots to trim the
> > transmitters how do I trim the inputs to the board (and the Deva)?
> > Each channel has a software button to toggle the trim pot between
> > input gain control and transmitter gain control.  Once I set up the
> > relationship between the receiver and the board (using the tone output
> > on the receivers) the input gain is now set and never needs to be
> > adjusted so it can be switched to transmitter gain control.  Each
> > input is controlled individually so the Zaxnet control is only applied
> > to channels with Zaxcom digital radios.  If, for some reason, you need
> > both input gain control AND transmitter gain control simultaneously,
> > you can assign a Deva trim pot to control the transmitter in question
> > leaving the Mix 12 (or Mix Cool trim pot as is.  I have one digital
> > radio that bounces because I often use it for car rigs so it's not
> > always plugged into the same input.  I assigned this one to be
> > controlled by a Deva pot.
>
> > I haven't played with the re-recording features yet even though Glenn
> > was very eager to demonstrate them.  These features allow you to
> > select a take or time code point and it will tell all the radios to go
> > to that point and play so the take can be remixed if necessary.  I'll
> > play with this when I have some time.  But very happy to say the
> > Zaxnet install was very quick and easy and it's working as promised.
>
> > There was one slight hitch that was quickly fixed.  Zaxnet sends some
> > of it's data via the time code user bits so after I did the install my
> > slates would no longer take the ubits when jammed.  Howy had a fix the
> > next day which temporarily turns off Zaxnet when jamming.  Denecke has
> > upgraded software on their end so their slates can work with Zaxnet
> > and will soon receive time code from Zaxnet automatically.  Other than
> > that, the ability to control my transmitter gain in real time by just
> > tweaking it's corresponding trim pot on the mixer is pretty wild.  I
> > didn't notice any range issues and Friday night we were shooting in
> > mid-town (NYC) and I was getting very good range from both the
> > wireless and the return control signal.
>
> > As far as I know, this is the first field use of Zaxnet.  It's now a
> > permanent part of my rig.  It's funny.  Glenn asked me what he could
> > work on next and I really couldn't think of anything other than
> > smaller transmitters.
> > Best,
> > Billy Sarokin
>
> Hi Billy,
>
> is that gain setting audible? so far it was in 2dB steps I believe and
> not designed for mid take adjustment (one couldnt do it mid take
> anyway)
>
> Matthias
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:26 am    Post subject: Re: Zaxnet [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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lol, you are a hard man to please considering that Zaxnet is a free
upgrade and works with Deva 5. What features are you looking for?
Only non-starter afik was simultaneous record and playback.
Best,
Billy

On Oct 19, 12:12 pm, manxmoviesound <malc....DeleteThis@manxmoviesound.com>
wrote:
> On Oct 19, 1:47 am, Billy <williamsaro....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I
> >   Glenn asked me what he could
> > work on next and I really couldn't think of anything other than
> > smaller transmitters.
> > Best,
> > Billy Sarokin
>
> Billy!
> If Glen has some spare time maybe he could work on some of the
> features for the DEVA 5 that he has been promising UK owners for at
> least three years!!!!
> Malcolm Davies. A.m.p.s. (Production Sound Mixer.)
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:57 am    Post subject: Re: Zaxnet [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Oct 19, 7:26 pm, Billy <williamsaro....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> lol, you are a hard man to please considering that Zaxnet is a free
> upgrade and works with Deva 5.  What features are you looking for?
> Only non-starter afik was simultaneous record and playback.
> Best,
> Billy
>
> On Oct 19, 12:12 pm, manxmoviesound <malc....RemoveThis@manxmoviesound.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 19, 1:47 am, Billy <williamsaro....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
Well changing the STN to read slate insread of Scene for the UK market
and implement End of take bleeps to name but two.
Malcolm Davies. A.m.p.s.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:40 am    Post subject: Re: Zaxnet [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Oct 20, 6:57 am, manxmoviesound <malc... RemoveThis @manxmoviesound.com> wrote:
> On Oct 19, 7:26 pm, Billy <williamsaro... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:> lol, you are a hard man to please considering that Zaxnet is a free
> > upgrade and works with Deva 5.  What features are you looking for?
> > Only non-starter afik was simultaneous record and playback.
> > Best,
> > Billy
>
> > On Oct 19, 12:12 pm, manxmoviesound <malc... RemoveThis @manxmoviesound.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 19, 1:47 am, Billy <williamsaro... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well changing the STN to read slate insread of Scene for the UK market
> and implement End of take bleeps to name but two.
> Malcolm Davies. A.m.p.s.

Phew, I thought it was going to be something major. As usual, the
more people who ask for something the quicker it gets done. Both of
those requests seem doable, but I would imagine changing Slate to read
Scene for some customers would require a toggle button that takes up
precious screen space and processing memory. Same goes for the tail
beeps. If enough people request it and it doesn't interfere with
other features I would guess it will get done. Keep pestering them.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Zaxnet [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Matt

The latest Wireless software (being tested) has 1 dB steps, instead of
2 dB.

Ray
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