Schoeps 641 or Sennheiser MKH8050.

Pascal Van Strydonck · External Since: May 27, 2007 Posts: 12

Alright, currently using Sennheiser MKH60 and a Neumann KM185.

Sennheiser MKH60 is a work horse, lots of reach, quiet, totally immune
to anything. Mostly using it for outdoors or large indoor space, even
run the gun type anywhere...

Neumann sounds great but no a lot of gain and not a lot of reach,
great mic for instrument or ambiance.

Had a Schoeps 641 and loved it except for little issues once in a
while about humidity. Did have some reach and usually pulled voices
nicely out of a reverberant space.

So i need a mic that would be very tight pattern as a lot of reach,
sounds great inside ( in reverberant space ) and is quiet. Something
i could use in all kinds of weather ( living in Montreal ).

Schoeps or Sennheiser??

Pascal

Shawshank · External Since: Oct 20, 2009 Posts: 1

Sennheiser is definitely the more durable mic... especially since you
plan to use it in all kinds of weather.

Eric Toline · External Since: Jun 13, 2009 Posts: 11

On Oct 20, 9:44 pm, Pascal Van Strydonck <pascal... RemoveThis @mac.com> wrote:
> Alright, currently using Sennheiser MKH60 and a Neumann KM185.
>
> Sennheiser MKH60 is a work horse, lots of reach, quiet, totally immune
> to anything. Mostly using it for outdoors or large indoor space, even
> run the gun type anywhere...
>
> Neumann sounds great but no a lot of gain and not a lot of reach,
> great mic for instrument or ambiance.
>
> Had a Schoeps 641 and loved it except for little issues once in a
> while about humidity. Did have some reach and usually pulled voices
> nicely out of a reverberant space.
>
> So i need a mic that would be very tight pattern as a lot of reach,
> sounds great inside ( in reverberant space ) and is quiet. Something
> i could use in all kinds of weather ( living in Montreal ).
>
> Schoeps or Sennheiser??
>
> Pascal

Sennheiser MKH 50 a proven goto mic..

Eric

glen · External Since: Jun 27, 2009 Posts: 5

I have been using the 8050 for over a year and it has
been every bit as reliable as expected.
Never an issue and it weighs nothing on the pole.
The invision mount is a perfect match.

The MKH50 was my go-to mic for interiors and the
occasional exterior for over a decade.
Solid reliability. The 8050 has lived up to this.
(My MKH50 now lives on in a basket with an MKH30
for stereo work. I am still hoping for an 8000 figure8 capsul).

I do love schoeps sound and have owned them:
Th 8050 costs far less, sounds fantastic,
and in my experience, more reliable.

Glen Piegari

tsvisser · External Since: Feb 13, 2009 Posts: 13

I can throw in an endorsement for the 8050, absolutely fantastic mic
and fantastic value. It has left me wanting for nothing and I don't
have any gear envy for the Schoeps.

Pascal Van Strydonck · External Since: May 27, 2007 Posts: 12

Seems to me that on Price ( PRETTY OBVIOUS ) and robustness, the 8050
wins.

But here is something that is really important for me: Reach. What i
mean is the ability of a mic to pull and isolate a voice in a busy
environment. That is where my Neumann is falling behind. It has to
be within 8 to 10 inches from the source or else it is lost.

Any thoughts on the 8050 for that??

Pascal

tsvisser · External Since: Feb 13, 2009 Posts: 13

Just looking at the technical data on the Sennheiser and Neumann
websites, their polar performance seems very close. The significant
differences between these two mics is that the Sennheiser is much more
sensitive at 20 mV/Pa vs 10 mV/Pa and a somewhat lower self noise
level. There is a type of proximity effect, not the same with respect
to proximity respect as it refers to bass response in your typical
close-mic'd dynamic mic, but gain of the "instrument" to noise levels
with respect to preamp gain and the ratio of sound levels, where I
think that you will see performance benefits from the 8050 over the
KM18. However, if you are finding that 8 to 10" is your threshold
with your KM185 now given your sound pollution environment, I don't
feel that the 8050 is going to give you "remarkably different"
results. I guess it will be better, but for the most part, similar.
I'm using the 8050 and getting great results in quiet exterior and
quiet interior environments. Noise pollution is still noise pollution
and if this is specifically the problem you are trying to address,
perhaps an MKH70, KMR 81, or KMR 82 is the tool you should look at for
addressing your specific problem. The MKH 60, which I also use, is a
fantastic mic, but not necessarily the precision tool of other short
and long shotguns.

jonoh · External Since: Oct 21, 2009 Posts: 3

Hi. I tried the 8050 out on loan but ended up returning it as I could
not solve to my satisfaction the "known" issues of low end sensitivity
and pole rattle pickup (I used a 12'). I'm aware that others have. I'm
planning to give it another shot as I'm guessing I missed something
despite trying both Invision and K-Tek mounts, Schoeps BD5/WD5
windscreen and the roll off on the 442 I was comfortable with.
Meanwhile on my upcoming doc shoot I'm planning on using an AT875R
(made in Japan) short shotgun on the end of a 13' Loon for the verite
portion. It has quite a steep low end cut off, is very directional,
quite sensitive, lightweight and of robust build.
I've used this $200.00 mic on a doc previously. For sit downs I'll use
the Sennheiser MKH50. I prefer to use my Schoeps for drama. One of
them needs to be sent back to Germany for a vacation.
Jon Oh

jonoh · External Since: Oct 21, 2009 Posts: 3

(cont'd) I should say that the steep low end cut off and the "very
directional" aspects are two things which make this mic less then
desirable in some ways. But suitable, I think, in my application which
is a busy classroom.
Jon Oh

jonoh · External Since: Oct 21, 2009 Posts: 3

On Oct 22, 2:50 pm, Ty Ford <tyreef... DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:19:13 -0400, jonoh wrote
> (in article
> <7e07e4d6-d356-4346-9847-0c4d229c2... DeleteThis @x5g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
>
> > (cont'd) I should say that the steep low end cut off and the "very
> > directional" aspects are two things which make this mic less then
> > desirable in some ways. But suitable, I think, in my application which
> > is a busy classroom.
> > Jon Oh
>
> So no one has a problem with the smiley face EQ?
>
> I thought there were people waiting for a cut 1 for the 8050?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty Ford
>
> --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
> Acting and Voiceover Demoshttp://www.tyford.com
> Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA

The above comments were directed at the AT875R.
I had/have no problem with the sound of the 8050.
I think Trewaudio has experience with the optional 8050 cut filter.
Jon Oh

Ty Ford · External Since: Jul 06, 2006 Posts: 788

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:19:13 -0400, jonoh wrote
(in article
<7e07e4d6-d356-4346-9847-0c4d229c2c52 RemoveThis @x5g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):

> (cont'd) I should say that the steep low end cut off and the "very
> directional" aspects are two things which make this mic less then
> desirable in some ways. But suitable, I think, in my application which
> is a busy classroom.
> Jon Oh
>

So no one has a problem with the smiley face EQ?

I thought there were people waiting for a cut 1 for the 8050?

Regards,

Ty Ford

--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA