Mine Shaft gaps

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 75

I must confess, you have an astonishingly good idea there, Doctor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcNmcw76H0w&feature=related

Five :Good Ideas" in Dr. Strangelove:

1. Condition red, sir. Yes. Jolly ***good idea,*** keeps the men on
their toes.

2. Look, I don't know what sort of stupid game this is you're playing,
but I've got a very ****good idea**** what the recall code is and I
have to get in touch with SAC headquarters immediately.

3.... Ripper enters the washroom. oh, you're going have a little wash
and brush up, are you? What a ****good idea.**** Always did wonders
for a man, that, Jack. A little wash and brush up. Water on the back
of the neck, and... makes you feel marvelous. That's what we need,
Jack! Water on the back of the neck and the code

4. Now look, Colonel... Bat Guano, if that really is your name, may I
tell you that I have a very, very ****good idea,**** I think, I hope,
I pray, what the recall code is. It's some sort of recurrent theme he
kept repeating. It's a variation on Peace on Earth or Purity of
Essence. E O P. O P E. It's one of those!

5. I must confess, you have an astonishingly ****good idea**** there,
Doctor.

dc

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 75

On Nov 5, 12:20 am, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> I must confess, you have an astonishingly good idea there, Doctor.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcNmcw76H0w&feature=related
>
> Five :Good Ideas" in Dr. Strangelove:
>
> 1. Condition red, sir. Yes. Jolly ***good idea,*** keeps the men on
> their toes.
>
> 2. Look, I don't know what sort of stupid game this is you're playing,
> but I've got a very ****good idea**** what the recall code is and I
> have to get in touch with SAC headquarters immediately.
>
> 3.... Ripper enters the washroom. oh, you're going have a little wash
> and brush up, are you? What a ****good idea.**** Always did wonders
> for a man, that, Jack. A little wash and brush up. Water on the back
> of the neck, and... makes you feel marvelous. That's what we need,
> Jack! Water on the back of the neck and the code
>
> 4. Now look, Colonel... Bat Guano, if that really is your name, may I
> tell you that I have a very, very ****good idea,**** I think, I hope,
> I pray, what the recall code is. It's some sort of recurrent theme he
> kept repeating. It's a variation on Peace on Earth or Purity of
> Essence. E O P. O P E. It's one of those!
>
> 5. I must confess, you have an astonishingly ****good idea**** there,
> Doctor.
>
> dc

EWS has only one "Good ideas":

ALICE I don't think that would really be a good idea.

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Only one "good Idea" in The Shining

It might be a good idea if you leave your radio on all the time.

_______________________.

No 'good ideas" in BL or FMJ

In Lolita we have some kool-aid

I'm so thirsty. Let's all have a little punch now.
That's a good idea.

That's a good idea. Well, I'd rather not...Who is it? Lolita.
Come in.

I just don't think it'd be a very good idea.
Why can't I call my mother if I want to?
Because you can't.
Why?

dc
Because...
....your mother is dead.

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 75

So the Mine Shaft idea may not be the end all plan.....not if the
Earth Crust is deteriorating and the Himalayas are under water....

So 2012 is a success.

SPOILER:

The dog lives........

dc

Don Stockbauer · External Since: May 01, 2007 Posts: 17

On Nov 13, 6:08 am, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> So the Mine Shaft idea may not be the end all plan.....not if the
> Earth Crust is deteriorating and the Himalayas are under water....
>
> So 2012 is a success.
>
> SPOILER:
>
> The dog lives........
>

THANK GOD!!!!

Don Stockbauer · External Since: May 01, 2007 Posts: 17

On Nov 13, 6:59 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 13, 6:08 am, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So the Mine Shaft idea may not be the end all plan.....not if the
> > Earth Crust is deteriorating and the Himalayas are under water....
>
> > So 2012 is a success.
>
> > SPOILER:
>
> > The dog lives........
>
> THANK GOD!!!!

NOTIFY PETA!!!!

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 75

On Nov 13, 8:50 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 13, 6:59 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 13, 6:08 am, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > So the Mine Shaft idea may not be the end all plan.....not if the
> > > Earth Crust is deteriorating and the Himalayas are under water....
>
> > > So 2012 is a success.
>
> > > SPOILER:
>
> > > The dog lives........
>
> > THANK GOD!!!!
>
> NOTIFY PETA!!!!

Have any of your Global brain friends trid to deal with Terrance
Mckenna's math in his time wave zero premise?

http://www.december212012.com/articles/I-Ching/Time-Wave-Zero.htm

Mckenna's premise started the entire 2012 thing.

dc

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 75

On Nov 13, 10:47 am, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 13, 8:50 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 13, 6:59 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 13, 6:08 am, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > So the Mine Shaft idea may not be the end all plan.....not if the
> > > > Earth Crust is deteriorating and the Himalayas are under water....
>
> > > > So 2012 is a success.
>
> > > > SPOILER:
>
> > > > The dog lives........
>
> > > THANK GOD!!!!
>
> > NOTIFY PETA!!!!
>
> Have any of your Global brain friends trid to deal with Terrance
> Mckenna's math in his time wave zero premise?
>
> http://www.december212012.com/articles/I-Ching/Time-Wave-Zero.htm
>
> Mckenna's premise started the entire 2012 thing.

http://www.fractal-timewave.com/index.html

dc

Don Stockbauer · External Since: May 01, 2007 Posts: 17

On Nov 13, 12:47 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 13, 8:50 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 13, 6:59 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 13, 6:08 am, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > So the Mine Shaft idea may not be the end all plan.....not if the
> > > > Earth Crust is deteriorating and the Himalayas are under water....
>
> > > > So 2012 is a success.
>
> > > > SPOILER:
>
> > > > The dog lives........
>
> > > THANK GOD!!!!
>
> > NOTIFY PETA!!!!
>
> Have any of your Global brain friends trid to deal with Terrance
> Mckenna's math in his time wave zero premise?
>
> http://www.december212012.com/articles/I-Ching/Time-Wave-Zero.htm
>
> Mckenna's premise started the entire 2012 thing.

Point one, I have almost no friends to begin with, and none of the
ones I do have believe in the global brain, and respond with "Just
bunch of fancy words thrown together by some people" if I try to
discuss it with them.

Point two, looking at the website you quote, McKenna's stuff is
fuzzier-headed than the global brain itself.

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 75

On Nov 13, 3:33 pm, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 13, 12:47 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 13, 8:50 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 13, 6:59 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 13, 6:08 am, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > So the Mine Shaft idea may not be the end all plan.....not if the
> > > > > Earth Crust is deteriorating and the Himalayas are under water.....
>
> > > > > So 2012 is a success.
>
> > > > > SPOILER:
>
> > > > > The dog lives........
>
> > > > THANK GOD!!!!
>
> > > NOTIFY PETA!!!!
>
> > Have any of your Global brain friends trid to deal with Terrance
> > Mckenna's math in his time wave zero premise?
>
> >http://www.december212012.com/articles/I-Ching/Time-Wave-Zero.htm
>
> > Mckenna's premise started the entire 2012 thing.
>
> Point one, I have almost no friends to begin with, and none of the
> ones I do have believe in the global brain, and respond with "Just
> bunch of fancy words thrown together by some people" if I try to
> discuss it with them.

Oh well. Ask Hofstader what he thinks of it.

>
> Point two, looking at the website you quote, McKenna's stuff is
> fuzzier-headed than the global brain itself

We hope----or we hope that the outcome is not a bad thing--mckenna
never pretended to know what this all meant. He had just found what
he believed to be a pattern. He is not someone to dismiss offhand.

I had studied the I-Ching since 1964 and I read "Invisible Landscape"
back in 1976 and have looked at Time Wave Zero many times, but
usually conclude it was too fuzzy and it gave me doubts about
Mckennas who was usually very reliable.

T. Mckenna died of a Brain tumor..

You might like this if you are able to see Youtube.

"Novelty theory" --T McKenna

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuZLB4MeXJk&feature=related

His last interview
pt1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx_POd4I18E&feature=related
pt2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mkGsLU_M5g&feature=related
pt3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=my6v1pzRuyU&feature=related

His brother Dennis, is still very active

dc

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 75

Time Acceleration--T . McKenna

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLc6i29yhDM&feature=related

dc

Don Stockbauer · External Since: May 01, 2007 Posts: 17

On Nov 13, 8:55 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 13, 3:33 pm, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 13, 12:47 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 13, 8:50 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 13, 6:59 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 13, 6:08 am, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > So the Mine Shaft idea may not be the end all plan.....not if the
> > > > > > Earth Crust is deteriorating and the Himalayas are under water.....
>
> > > > > > So 2012 is a success.
>
> > > > > > SPOILER:
>
> > > > > > The dog lives........
>
> > > > > THANK GOD!!!!
>
> > > > NOTIFY PETA!!!!
>
> > > Have any of your Global brain friends trid to deal with Terrance
> > > Mckenna's math in his time wave zero premise?
>
> > >http://www.december212012.com/articles/I-Ching/Time-Wave-Zero.htm
>
> > > Mckenna's premise started the entire 2012 thing.
>
> > Point one, I have almost no friends to begin with, and none of the
> > ones I do have believe in the global brain, and respond with "Just
> > bunch of fancy words thrown together by some people" if I try to
> > discuss it with them.
>
> Oh well. Ask Hofstader what he thinks of it.
>

I did one time. He said that he has nothing against it. His writings
come close to talking about it; I've always thought that his created
memes contribute a lot to it. But I don't know if he specifically
wrote on the subject of the GB anywhere. I've never researched it.

I haven't heard from him since I sent him the silly thing about what
if you took thousands of perfectly useful garden tools and arranged
them into a sentence which could be read from the air which read,
"This sentence is useless to do actual gardening with".

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 75

On Nov 14, 6:35 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 13, 8:55 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 13, 3:33 pm, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 13, 12:47 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 13, 8:50 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 13, 6:59 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Nov 13, 6:08 am, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > So the Mine Shaft idea may not be the end all plan.....not if the
> > > > > > > Earth Crust is deteriorating and the Himalayas are under water....
>
> > > > > > > So 2012 is a success.
>
> > > > > > > SPOILER:
>
> > > > > > > The dog lives........
>
> > > > > > THANK GOD!!!!
>
> > > > > NOTIFY PETA!!!!
>
> > > > Have any of your Global brain friends trid to deal with Terrance
> > > > Mckenna's math in his time wave zero premise?
>
> > > >http://www.december212012.com/articles/I-Ching/Time-Wave-Zero.htm
>
> > > > Mckenna's premise started the entire 2012 thing.
>
> > > Point one, I have almost no friends to begin with, and none of the
> > > ones I do have believe in the global brain, and respond with "Just
> > > bunch of fancy words thrown together by some people" if I try to
> > > discuss it with them.
>
> > Oh well. Ask Hofstader what he thinks of it.
>
> I did one time. He said that he has nothing against it. His writings
> come close to talking about it; I've always thought that his created
> memes contribute a lot to it. But I don't know if he specifically
> wrote on the subject of the GB anywhere. I've never researched it.

I meant ask hofstader what he thinks of Time Wave Zero. i think he
has mentioned global brain from time to time.

> I haven't heard from him since I sent him the silly thing about what
> if you took thousands of perfectly useful garden tools and arranged
> them into a sentence which could be read from the air which read,
> "This sentence is useless to do actual gardening with".

Its sort of like his books....fun but useless except for head
tripping.

I would love to see his analysis of Mckenna's Time Wave Zero.

I would also like to see what Wolfram has to say on it.

dc

dc

dc

Don Stockbauer · External Since: May 01, 2007 Posts: 17

On Nov 14, 1:38 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 14, 6:35 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 13, 8:55 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 13, 3:33 pm, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 13, 12:47 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 13, 8:50 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Nov 13, 6:59 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 13, 6:08 am, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > So the Mine Shaft idea may not be the end all plan.....not if the
> > > > > > > > Earth Crust is deteriorating and the Himalayas are under water....
>
> > > > > > > > So 2012 is a success.
>
> > > > > > > > SPOILER:
>
> > > > > > > > The dog lives........
>
> > > > > > > THANK GOD!!!!
>
> > > > > > NOTIFY PETA!!!!
>
> > > > > Have any of your Global brain friends trid to deal with Terrance
> > > > > Mckenna's math in his time wave zero premise?
>
> > > > >http://www.december212012.com/articles/I-Ching/Time-Wave-Zero.htm
>
> > > > > Mckenna's premise started the entire 2012 thing.
>
> > > > Point one, I have almost no friends to begin with, and none of the
> > > > ones I do have believe in the global brain, and respond with "Just
> > > > bunch of fancy words thrown together by some people" if I try to
> > > > discuss it with them.
>
> > > Oh well. Ask Hofstader what he thinks of it.
>
> > I did one time. He said that he has nothing against it. His writings
> > come close to talking about it; I've always thought that his created
> > memes contribute a lot to it. But I don't know if he specifically
> > wrote on the subject of the GB anywhere. I've never researched it.
>
> I meant ask hofstader what he thinks of Time Wave Zero. i think he
> has mentioned global brain from time to time.

Oh, really, any links?

>
> > I haven't heard from him since I sent him the silly thing about what
> > if you took thousands of perfectly useful garden tools and arranged
> > them into a sentence which could be read from the air which read,
> > "This sentence is useless to do actual gardening with".
>
> Its sort of like his books....fun but useless except for head
> tripping.
>

I wouldn't say that, actually the topic he deals with are fundamental
to understanding what forms mind.

> I would love to see his analysis of Mckenna's Time Wave Zero.
>
> I would also like to see what Wolfram has to say on it.

Hofstadter's email addres is dughof *at* cs.indiana.edu

I've found that he answers people rather more readily than most famous
people, unless you disagree too vehemently with what he has espoused.

Wolfram I have no idea about, have never even use any of his software.

There is another odd pointer to the 2012 date, American psychedelic
shaman Terrance McKenna's Time Wave theory. In that theory, the year
2012 is called "Time Wave Zero." McKenna took the I Ching, did some
kind of mathematical fractal operation with it, and produced a
computer program which supposedly produces a "time wave" which maps
out something called "novelty" across the scale of time, from the Big
Bang to the Eschaton, the ending of time. And guess what? The mapping
of time mysteriously ends at 2012. The Omega point.

I'm betting that if you do get through to Hofstadter (or Wolfram, for
that matter) that they, as me, dismiss it as .... well, compost
material.

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 75

On Nov 14, 1:18 pm, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 14, 1:38 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 6:35 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 13, 8:55 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 13, 3:33 pm, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 13, 12:47 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Nov 13, 8:50 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 13, 6:59 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 13, 6:08 am, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > So the Mine Shaft idea may not be the end all plan.....not if the
> > > > > > > > > Earth Crust is deteriorating and the Himalayas are under water....
>
> > > > > > > > > So 2012 is a success.
>
> > > > > > > > > SPOILER:
>
> > > > > > > > > The dog lives........
>
> > > > > > > > THANK GOD!!!!
>
> > > > > > > NOTIFY PETA!!!!
>
> > > > > > Have any of your Global brain friends trid to deal with Terrance
> > > > > > Mckenna's math in his time wave zero premise?
>
> > > > > >http://www.december212012.com/articles/I-Ching/Time-Wave-Zero.htm
>
> > > > > > Mckenna's premise started the entire 2012 thing.
>
> > > > > Point one, I have almost no friends to begin with, and none of the
> > > > > ones I do have believe in the global brain, and respond with "Just
> > > > > bunch of fancy words thrown together by some people" if I try to
> > > > > discuss it with them.
>
> > > > Oh well. Ask Hofstader what he thinks of it.
>
> > > I did one time. He said that he has nothing against it. His writings
> > > come close to talking about it; I've always thought that his created
> > > memes contribute a lot to it. But I don't know if he specifically
> > > wrote on the subject of the GB anywhere. I've never researched it.
>
> > I meant ask hofstader what he thinks of Time Wave Zero. i think he
> > has mentioned global brain from time to time.
>
> Oh, really, any links?
>
>
>
> > > I haven't heard from him since I sent him the silly thing about what
> > > if you took thousands of perfectly useful garden tools and arranged
> > > them into a sentence which could be read from the air which read,
> > > "This sentence is useless to do actual gardening with".
>
> > Its sort of like his books....fun but useless except for head
> > tripping.
>
> I wouldn't say that, actually the topic he deals with are fundamental
> to understanding what forms mind.
>
> > I would love to see his analysis of Mckenna's Time Wave Zero.
>
> > I would also like to see what Wolfram has to say on it.
>
> Hofstadter's email addres is dughof *at* cs.indiana.edu
>
> I've found that he answers people rather more readily than most famous
> people, unless you disagree too vehemently with what he has espoused.

I've always rather liked him.

>
> Wolfram I have no idea about, have never even use any of his software.
>
> There is another odd pointer to the 2012 date, American psychedelic
> shaman Terrance McKenna's Time Wave theory. In that theory, the year
> 2012 is called "Time Wave Zero." McKenna took the I Ching, did some
> kind of mathematical fractal operation with it, and produced a
> computer program which supposedly produces a "time wave" which maps
> out something called "novelty" across the scale of time, from the Big
> Bang to the Eschaton, the ending of time. And guess what? The mapping
> of time mysteriously ends at 2012. The Omega point.
>
> I'm betting that if you do get through to Hofstadter (or Wolfram, for
> that matter) that they, as me, dismiss it as .... well, compost
> material

It may also be true that McKenna stumps them too. I can't find anyone
actually refuting it with math---that bothers me a bit.
It's easier to think he went nuts.

Thx, I'll see what he says.

dc
dc

Don Stockbauer · External Since: May 01, 2007 Posts: 17

On Nov 14, 8:03 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 14, 1:18 pm, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 1:38 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 14, 6:35 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 13, 8:55 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 13, 3:33 pm, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Nov 13, 12:47 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 13, 8:50 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 13, 6:59 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 13, 6:08 am, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > So the Mine Shaft idea may not be the end all plan.....not if the
> > > > > > > > > > Earth Crust is deteriorating and the Himalayas are under water....
>
> > > > > > > > > > So 2012 is a success.
>
> > > > > > > > > > SPOILER:
>
> > > > > > > > > > The dog lives........
>
> > > > > > > > > THANK GOD!!!!
>
> > > > > > > > NOTIFY PETA!!!!
>
> > > > > > > Have any of your Global brain friends trid to deal with Terrance
> > > > > > > Mckenna's math in his time wave zero premise?
>
> > > > > > >http://www.december212012.com/articles/I-Ching/Time-Wave-Zero.htm
>
> > > > > > > Mckenna's premise started the entire 2012 thing.
>
> > > > > > Point one, I have almost no friends to begin with, and none of the
> > > > > > ones I do have believe in the global brain, and respond with "Just
> > > > > > bunch of fancy words thrown together by some people" if I try to
> > > > > > discuss it with them.
>
> > > > > Oh well. Ask Hofstader what he thinks of it.
>
> > > > I did one time. He said that he has nothing against it. His writings
> > > > come close to talking about it; I've always thought that his created
> > > > memes contribute a lot to it. But I don't know if he specifically
> > > > wrote on the subject of the GB anywhere. I've never researched it.
>
> > > I meant ask hofstader what he thinks of Time Wave Zero. i think he
> > > has mentioned global brain from time to time.
>
> > Oh, really, any links?
>
> > > > I haven't heard from him since I sent him the silly thing about what
> > > > if you took thousands of perfectly useful garden tools and arranged
> > > > them into a sentence which could be read from the air which read,
> > > > "This sentence is useless to do actual gardening with".
>
> > > Its sort of like his books....fun but useless except for head
> > > tripping.
>
> > I wouldn't say that, actually the topic he deals with are fundamental
> > to understanding what forms mind.
>
> > > I would love to see his analysis of Mckenna's Time Wave Zero.
>
> > > I would also like to see what Wolfram has to say on it.
>
> > Hofstadter's email addres is dughof *at* cs.indiana.edu
>
> > I've found that he answers people rather more readily than most famous
> > people, unless you disagree too vehemently with what he has espoused.
>
> I've always rather liked him.
>
>
>
> > Wolfram I have no idea about, have never even use any of his software.
>
> > There is another odd pointer to the 2012 date, American psychedelic
> > shaman Terrance McKenna's Time Wave theory. In that theory, the year
> > 2012 is called "Time Wave Zero." McKenna took the I Ching, did some
> > kind of mathematical fractal operation with it, and produced a
> > computer program which supposedly produces a "time wave" which maps
> > out something called "novelty" across the scale of time, from the Big
> > Bang to the Eschaton, the ending of time. And guess what? The mapping
> > of time mysteriously ends at 2012. The Omega point.
>
> > I'm betting that if you do get through to Hofstadter (or Wolfram, for
> > that matter) that they, as me, dismiss it as .... well, compost
> > material
>
> It may also be true that McKenna stumps them too. I can't find anyone
> actually refuting it with math---that bothers me a bit.
> It's easier to think he went nuts.
>
> Thx, I'll see what he says.

The poof will be in the pudding - 2012, here we come!

Don Stockbauer · External Since: May 01, 2007 Posts: 17

On Nov 14, 11:58 pm, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 14, 8:03 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 1:18 pm, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 14, 1:38 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Nov 14, 6:35 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Nov 13, 8:55 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Nov 13, 3:33 pm, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Nov 13, 12:47 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Nov 13, 8:50 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 13, 6:59 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 13, 6:08 am, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > So the Mine Shaft idea may not be the end all plan......not if the
> > > > > > > > > > > Earth Crust is deteriorating and the Himalayas are under water....
>
> > > > > > > > > > > So 2012 is a success.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > SPOILER:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > The dog lives........
>
> > > > > > > > > > THANK GOD!!!!
>
> > > > > > > > > NOTIFY PETA!!!!
>
> > > > > > > > Have any of your Global brain friends trid to deal with Terrance
> > > > > > > > Mckenna's math in his time wave zero premise?
>
> > > > > > > >http://www.december212012.com/articles/I-Ching/Time-Wave-Zero.htm
>
> > > > > > > > Mckenna's premise started the entire 2012 thing.
>
> > > > > > > Point one, I have almost no friends to begin with, and none of the
> > > > > > > ones I do have believe in the global brain, and respond with "Just
> > > > > > > bunch of fancy words thrown together by some people" if I try to
> > > > > > > discuss it with them.
>
> > > > > > Oh well. Ask Hofstader what he thinks of it.
>
> > > > > I did one time. He said that he has nothing against it. His writings
> > > > > come close to talking about it; I've always thought that his created
> > > > > memes contribute a lot to it. But I don't know if he specifically
> > > > > wrote on the subject of the GB anywhere. I've never researched it.
>
> > > > I meant ask hofstader what he thinks of Time Wave Zero. i think he
> > > > has mentioned global brain from time to time.
>
> > > Oh, really, any links?
>
> > > > > I haven't heard from him since I sent him the silly thing about what
> > > > > if you took thousands of perfectly useful garden tools and arranged
> > > > > them into a sentence which could be read from the air which read,
> > > > > "This sentence is useless to do actual gardening with".
>
> > > > Its sort of like his books....fun but useless except for head
> > > > tripping.
>
> > > I wouldn't say that, actually the topic he deals with are fundamental
> > > to understanding what forms mind.
>
> > > > I would love to see his analysis of Mckenna's Time Wave Zero.
>
> > > > I would also like to see what Wolfram has to say on it.
>
> > > Hofstadter's email addres is dughof *at* cs.indiana.edu
>
> > > I've found that he answers people rather more readily than most famous
> > > people, unless you disagree too vehemently with what he has espoused.
>
> > I've always rather liked him.
>
> > > Wolfram I have no idea about, have never even use any of his software..
>
> > > There is another odd pointer to the 2012 date, American psychedelic
> > > shaman Terrance McKenna's Time Wave theory. In that theory, the year
> > > 2012 is called "Time Wave Zero." McKenna took the I Ching, did some
> > > kind of mathematical fractal operation with it, and produced a
> > > computer program which supposedly produces a "time wave" which maps
> > > out something called "novelty" across the scale of time, from the Big
> > > Bang to the Eschaton, the ending of time. And guess what? The mapping
> > > of time mysteriously ends at 2012. The Omega point.
>
> > > I'm betting that if you do get through to Hofstadter (or Wolfram, for
> > > that matter) that they, as me, dismiss it as .... well, compost
> > > material
>
> > It may also be true that McKenna stumps them too. I can't find anyone
> > actually refuting it with math---that bothers me a bit.
> > It's easier to think he went nuts.

The old "Prove my nuttiness wrong" challenge. It's why the Global
Brain stuff will never get anywhere.

kelpzoidzl · External Since: Jan 17, 2009 Posts: 75

On Nov 16, 2:40 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The old "Prove my nuttiness wrong" challenge. It's why the Global
> Brain stuff will never get anywhere.

".......as surely as an arrow aimed at the earth cannot miss the
target."

dc

Don Stockbauer · External Since: May 01, 2007 Posts: 17

On Nov 16, 11:34 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 16, 2:40 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The old "Prove my nuttiness wrong" challenge. It's why the Global
> > Brain stuff will never get anywhere.
>
> ".......as surely as an arrow aimed at the earth cannot miss the
> target."
>

That's very profound. Shirley an ancient Zen saying?

Don Stockbauer · External Since: May 01, 2007 Posts: 17

On Nov 17, 5:57 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 16, 11:34 pm, kelpzoidzl <kelpzoi... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 16, 2:40 am, Don Stockbauer <don.stockba... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > The old "Prove my nuttiness wrong" challenge. It's why the Global
> > > Brain stuff will never get anywhere.
>
> > ".......as surely as an arrow aimed at the earth cannot miss the
> > target."
>
> That's very profound. Shirley an ancient Zen saying?

Unless it's like a 10,000 mile long arrow launched from some UFO out
in space and their cybernetic control goes bonkers and the arrow
misses off to the side a few thousand miles.

Don "Find an Exception to Just about Anything and Mimic Bill Reid"
Stockbauer