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portia_mrvc External

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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:43 am Post subject: James Naremore's "On Kubrick" Archived from groups: alt>movies>kubrick (more info?) |
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Have anybody seen this book yet? ~ Genevieve
Book Description from Amazon.com (on preorder):
On Kubrick is a critical study of Stanley Kubrick's career, beginning
with his earliest feature, Fear and Desire (1953), and ending with his
posthumous production of A.I., Artificial Intelligence (2001).
Organized in six parts ("The Taste Machine," "Young Kubrick,"
"Kubrick, Harris, Douglas," "Stanley Kubrick Presents," "Late
Kubrick," and "Epilogue"), it offers provocative analysis of each of
Kubrick's films together with new information about their production
histories and cultural contexts. Its ultimate aim is to provide a
concise yet thorough discussion that will be useful as both an
academic text and a trade publication.
The book argues that in several respects Kubrick was one of the
cinema's last modernists: his taste and sensibility were shaped by the
artistic culture of New York in the 1950s; he became a celebrated
auteur who forged a distinctive style; he used art-cinema conventions
in commercial productions; he challenged censorship regulations; and
throughout his career he was preoccupied with one of the central
themes of modernist art--the conflict between rationality and its ever-
present shadow, the unconscious. War and science are often the
subjects of his films, and his work has a hyper-masculine quality; yet
no director has more relentlessly emphasized the absurdity of combat,
the failure of scientific reasoning, and the fascistic impulses in
masculine sexuality. The book also argues that while Kubrick was a
voracious intellectual and a lifelong autodidact, the fascination of
his work has less to do with the ideas it espouses than with the
emotions it evokes. Often described as "cool" or "cold," Kubrick is
best understood as a skillful practitioner of what might be called the
aesthetics of the grotesque; he employs extreme forms of caricature
and black comedy to create disgusting, frightening, yet also laughable
images of the human body. No less than Diane Arbus (who was his
contemporary), he makes his viewers uneasy, unsure how to react either
emotionally or politically.
About the Author
James Naremore is Emeritus Chancellors' Professor of Communication,
Culture and English, Indiana University. Previous publications include
More than Night: Film Noir in Its Contexts (University of California
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Harry Bailey External

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 9:55 am Post subject: Re: James Naremore's "On Kubrick" [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?) |
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Boaz wrote: "deliberately confusing the animate
with the inanimate."
And this is, at its purest, the very definition of the Gothic (of
which the grotesque, the weird, and the uncanny are features),
which, from its beginnings, poses the challenge that it might no
longer be possible to differentiate the animate from the inanimate,
the organic from the inorganic, and where to have some notion of
agency or an independent 'free will' is not necessarily to be alive
(consider, for instance, how 2001's HAL appears to have more actual
foreboding presence than any of the human characters). Apart from its
association with architecture, much of 18th and 19th century
literature is unimaginable without it (Mary Shelly, Bram Stoker, Poe,
Goethe, Byron, Jane Austen, the Bronte's, and countless others [even
Shakespeare: the first use of the word 'weird' in the English language
was in Macbeth). Indeed, its 20th century forms, from Expressionism to
the horror novel or film, to cybernetics and cyberpunk, are
ubiquitous. Needless to say, films like The Shining and Eyes Wide Shut
are distinctly gothic meditations, and then there's AI.
On Jul 17, 6:54 pm, wrote:
>
> I would also like to read about the book's argument "that in several
> respects Kubrick was one of the cinema's last modernists: his taste
> and sensibility were shaped by the artistic culture of New York in the
> 1950s."
> This is something that writers barely mention in biographies or
> critical studies.
Perhaps the notion that he was "one of the cinema's last modernists"
has not received adequate consideration, but it is certainly the case
that many critical studies of his work assume that he was indeed a
modernist (works by Michel Ciment, Thomas Allen Nelson, many of the
articles at The Kubrick Site, etc). In fact, the whole post-WWII
movement in film (as in other areas of the arts) was distinctly
modernist in the sense that many of the film-makes of that generation
were characterised as having a consistent set of themes and concerns
(an 'artistic vision', a focus on 'big ideas', the absence today of
which Boaz is referring to in another thread). This movement blossomed
during the period from the late-1950s to the mid-to-late-1970s: in the
US, Kubrick, Hitchcock, and so on, up to the early Scorsese's and
Coppola's; in Britain, the social realist turn; in France, Godard,
Truffaut, Antonioni, Bresson, Resnais etc; in Russia, Tarkovsky etc;
in Italy, Fellini, Visconti; in Japan, Kurosawa, Ozu, Oshima etc; in
Poland, Polansky, Waida, up to Kieslowski; in Germany, Fassbinder,
Herzog, Wenders; and so on. So yes, directors like Kieslowski and
Kubrick, both dying within a few years of each other in the
late-1990s, were in many ways among the last of the great post-War
modernist film-makers. Most of today's directors, alas, have embraced
the postmodern turn in that they exemplify, rather than critique, the
postmodern condition: depthlessness, willful emptiness, pastiche,
ahistoricism, satire that fails to satirise, endless references and
allusions ('homages') producing the illusion of being 'Deep', no
context, no comment, no authorship, no serious engagement with ideas
or affects, manipulative melodramatic hysteria, narcissism, a cynical
and conformist fatalism, and so forth. The vast majority of films [big
budget commercial, and much of so-called 'indy' movies] today are so
indistinguishable, aesthetically, philosophically, politically,
narratively, they could really be indifferently made by anyone. This
is not to say that there are no good, challenging films being made,
but with the present rigid, vertically integrated industrial structure
of the film industry and the commercial commodification of film
product, such films hardly even register on the media radars ... |
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Boaz External

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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:22 am Post subject: Re: James Naremore's "On Kubrick" [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?) |
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On Jul 20, 9:55 am, Harry Bailey wrote:
> Boaz wrote: "deliberately confusing the animate
>
> with the inanimate."
>
> And this is, at its purest, the very definition of the Gothic (of
> which the grotesque, the weird, and the uncanny are features),
> which, from its beginnings, poses the challenge that it might no
> longer be possible to differentiate the animate from the inanimate,
> the organic from the inorganic, and where to have some notion of
> agency or an independent 'free will' is not necessarily to be alive
> (consider, for instance, how 2001's HAL appears to have more actual
> foreboding presence than any of the human characters). Apart from its
> association with architecture, much of 18th and 19th century
> literature is unimaginable without it (Mary Shelly, Bram Stoker, Poe,
> Goethe, Byron, Jane Austen, the Bronte's, and countless others [even
> Shakespeare: the first use of the word 'weird' in the English language
> was in Macbeth). Indeed, its 20th century forms, from Expressionism to
> the horror novel or film, to cybernetics and cyberpunk, are
> ubiquitous. Needless to say, films like The Shining and Eyes Wide Shut
> are distinctly gothic meditations, and then there's AI.
>
> On Jul 17, 6:54 pm, wrote:
>
>
>
> > I would also like to read about the book's argument "that in several
> > respects Kubrick was one of the cinema's last modernists: his taste
> > and sensibility were shaped by the artistic culture of New York in the
> > 1950s."
> > This is something that writers barely mention in biographies or
> > critical studies.
>
> Perhaps the notion that he was "one of the cinema's last modernists"
> has not received adequate consideration, but it is certainly the case
> that many critical studies of his work assume that he was indeed a
> modernist (works by Michel Ciment, Thomas Allen Nelson, many of the
> articles at The Kubrick Site, etc). In fact, the whole post-WWII
> movement in film (as in other areas of the arts) was distinctly
> modernist in the sense that many of the film-makes of that generation
> were characterised as having a consistent set of themes and concerns
> (an 'artistic vision', a focus on 'big ideas', the absence today of
> which Boaz is referring to in another thread). This movement blossomed
> during the period from the late-1950s to the mid-to-late-1970s: in the
> US, Kubrick, Hitchcock, and so on, up to the early Scorsese's and
> Coppola's; in Britain, the social realist turn; in France, Godard,
> Truffaut, Antonioni, Bresson, Resnais etc; in Russia, Tarkovsky etc;
> in Italy, Fellini, Visconti; in Japan, Kurosawa, Ozu, Oshima etc; in
> Poland, Polansky, Waida, up to Kieslowski; in Germany, Fassbinder,
> Herzog, Wenders; and so on. So yes, directors like Kieslowski and
> Kubrick, both dying within a few years of each other in the
> late-1990s, were in many ways among the last of the great post-War
> modernist film-makers. Most of today's directors, alas, have embraced
> the postmodern turn in that they exemplify, rather than critique, the
> postmodern condition: depthlessness, willful emptiness, pastiche,
> ahistoricism, satire that fails to satirise, endless references and
> allusions ('homages') producing the illusion of being 'Deep', no
> context, no comment, no authorship, no serious engagement with ideas
> or affects, manipulative melodramatic hysteria, narcissism, a cynical
> and conformist fatalism, and so forth. The vast majority of films [big
> budget commercial, and much of so-called 'indy' movies] today are so
> indistinguishable, aesthetically, philosophically, politically,
> narratively, they could really be indifferently made by anyone. This
> is not to say that there are no good, challenging films being made,
> but with the present rigid, vertically integrated industrial structure
> of the film industry and the commercial commodification of film
> product, such films hardly even register on the media radars ...
Thank you, Harry, for pointing this out further.
Boaz
("Don't suppose you know what the damn thing is, do you?" "Wish the
hell we did.") |
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kelps External

Since: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 15
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: James Naremore's "On Kubrick" [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?) |
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Nothing new here: just a review of James Naremoe's book and "The
Philosophy of Stanley Kubrick" ~ Gen
>From the issue dated August 3, 2007
FILM
Thus Spake Stanley Kubrick
By THOMAS DOHERTY
<snip>
One for the dung heap.
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Harry Bailey External

Since: Jun 04, 2007 Posts: 46
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:42 pm Post subject: Re: James Naremore's "On Kubrick" [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?) |
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On Jul 17, 6:54 pm, wrote:
>
> I would also like to read about the book's argument "that in several
> respects Kubrick was one of the cinema's last modernists: his taste
> and sensibility were shaped by the artistic culture of New York in the
> 1950s."
> This is something that writers barely mention in biographies or
> critical studies.
There was an extended discussion of Kubrick's modernist orientation at
AMK some years ago, to the extent that an edited summary of that
discourse was posted at The Kubrick Site, here:
http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/0092.html
.... of which the intro was:
"Stanley Kubrick's work can be seen as a continuation, or perhaps
perfection, of the original "High Modernist" project. I'm thinking at
this initial stage in crudely generic terms. By "Modernism" I mean the
cultural matrix created in the wake of Marx, Nietzsche, Freud, Frazer,
and the Great War [WW 1]. More particularly, I'm thinking of Pound's
early formulation of Imagism. Consider its tenets:
(1) opposition to the sentimental or emotionally manipulative and
mannered, preference for singular images that are sharp, clear,
arresting, and immediate;
(2) opposition to traditional narrative and verse form in favor of
"free verse," fragmentation, disjunction, juxtaposition, and freedom
of choice in subjects and means;
(3) minimalist aesthetic, preference for economy of means, terseness,
precision;
(4) all of this seen as being in the service of freeing the creative
energies of the artist from the restrictions of past forms, so as to
create images that are fresh, satisfying and alive, and that stimulate
fresh responses in the reader/viewer.
This seems to serve rather well at least to a good first approximation
to Stanley Kubrick's aesthetic. He eschews sentimentalism and the
"feelgood" approach to film, and follows a broadly experimental,
eclectic path with respect to means (nothing is automatically ruled
out or in). He favors image over discourse or narrative, and his
images have the immediacy and crispness and autonomy one associates
with an Imagist aesthetic. He relies too on juxtaposition and
fragmentation. Like the Modernist-Imagist classics, his films often
seem to consist of several "non-submersible units" that are juxtaposed
in series rather than linked in a conventional narrative form, and the
elements have the minimalist sense one finds in Imagism." |
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Wordsmith External

Since: Jun 01, 2007 Posts: 19
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: James Naremore's "On Kubrick" [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?) |
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On Aug 4, 2:42 pm, Harry Bailey wrote:
> On Jul 17, 6:54 pm, wrote:
>
>
>
> > I would also like to read about the book's argument "that in several
> > respects Kubrick was one of the cinema's last modernists: his taste
> > and sensibility were shaped by the artistic culture of New York in the
> > 1950s."
> > This is something that writers barely mention in biographies or
> > critical studies.
>
> There was an extended discussion of Kubrick's modernist orientation at
> AMK some years ago, to the extent that an edited summary of that
> discourse was posted at The Kubrick Site, here:http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/0092.html
>
> ... of which the intro was:
>
> "Stanley Kubrick's work can be seen as a continuation, or perhaps
> perfection, of the original "High Modernist" project. I'm thinking at
> this initial stage in crudely generic terms. By "Modernism" I mean the
> cultural matrix created in the wake of Marx, Nietzsche, Freud, Frazer,
> and the Great War [WW 1]. More particularly, I'm thinking of Pound's
> early formulation of Imagism. Consider its tenets:
>
> (1) opposition to the sentimental or emotionally manipulative and
> mannered, preference for singular images that are sharp, clear,
> arresting, and immediate;
>
> (2) opposition to traditional narrative and verse form in favor of
> "free verse," fragmentation, disjunction, juxtaposition, and freedom
> of choice in subjects and means;
>
> (3) minimalist aesthetic, preference for economy of means, terseness,
> precision;
>
> (4) all of this seen as being in the service of freeing the creative
> energies of the artist from the restrictions of past forms, so as to
> create images that are fresh, satisfying and alive, and that stimulate
> fresh responses in the reader/viewer.
>
> This seems to serve rather well at least to a good first approximation
> to Stanley Kubrick's aesthetic. He eschews sentimentalism and the
> "feelgood" approach to film, and follows a broadly experimental,
> eclectic path with respect to means (nothing is automatically ruled
> out or in). He favors image over discourse or narrative, and his
> images have the immediacy and crispness and autonomy one associates
> with an Imagist aesthetic. He relies too on juxtaposition and
> fragmentation. Like the Modernist-Imagist classics, his films often
> seem to consist of several "non-submersible units" that are juxtaposed
> in series rather than linked in a conventional narrative form, and the
> elements have the minimalist sense one finds in Imagism."
Let the images speak for themselves. *2001* was the apex of that
aesthetic.
W : ) |
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Harry Bailey External

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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:15 am Post subject: Re: James Naremore's "On Kubrick" [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?) |
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On Aug 4, 10:48 pm, Wordsmith wrote:
> On Aug 4, 2:42 pm, Harry Bailey wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 17, 6:54 pm, wrote:
>
> > > I would also like to read about the book's argument "that in several
> > > respects Kubrick was one of the cinema's last modernists: his taste
> > > and sensibility were shaped by the artistic culture of New York in the
> > > 1950s."
> > > This is something that writers barely mention in biographies or
> > > critical studies.
>
> > There was an extended discussion of Kubrick's modernist orientation at
> > AMK some years ago, to the extent that an edited summary of that
> > discourse was posted at The Kubrick Site, here:http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/0092.html
>
> > ... of which the intro was:
>
> > "Stanley Kubrick's work can be seen as a continuation, or perhaps
> > perfection, of the original "High Modernist" project. I'm thinking at
> > this initial stage in crudely generic terms. By "Modernism" I mean the
> > cultural matrix created in the wake of Marx, Nietzsche, Freud, Frazer,
> > and the Great War [WW 1]. More particularly, I'm thinking of Pound's
> > early formulation of Imagism. Consider its tenets:
>
> > (1) opposition to the sentimental or emotionally manipulative and
> > mannered, preference for singular images that are sharp, clear,
> > arresting, and immediate;
>
> > (2) opposition to traditional narrative and verse form in favor of
> > "free verse," fragmentation, disjunction, juxtaposition, and freedom
> > of choice in subjects and means;
>
> > (3) minimalist aesthetic, preference for economy of means, terseness,
> > precision;
>
> > (4) all of this seen as being in the service of freeing the creative
> > energies of the artist from the restrictions of past forms, so as to
> > create images that are fresh, satisfying and alive, and that stimulate
> > fresh responses in the reader/viewer.
>
> > This seems to serve rather well at least to a good first approximation
> > to Stanley Kubrick's aesthetic. He eschews sentimentalism and the
> > "feelgood" approach to film, and follows a broadly experimental,
> > eclectic path with respect to means (nothing is automatically ruled
> > out or in). He favors image over discourse or narrative, and his
> > images have the immediacy and crispness and autonomy one associates
> > with an Imagist aesthetic. He relies too on juxtaposition and
> > fragmentation. Like the Modernist-Imagist classics, his films often
> > seem to consist of several "non-submersible units" that are juxtaposed
> > in series rather than linked in a conventional narrative form, and the
> > elements have the minimalist sense one finds in Imagism."
>
> Let the images speak for themselves. *2001* was the apex of that
> aesthetic.
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Wordsmith External

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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: James Naremore's "On Kubrick" [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?) |
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On Aug 5, 10:15 am, Harry Bailey wrote:
> On Aug 4, 10:48 pm, Wordsmith wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 4, 2:42 pm, Harry Bailey wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 17, 6:54 pm, wrote:
>
> > > > I would also like to read about the book's argument "that in several
> > > > respects Kubrick was one of the cinema's last modernists: his taste
> > > > and sensibility were shaped by the artistic culture of New York in the
> > > > 1950s."
> > > > This is something that writers barely mention in biographies or
> > > > critical studies.
>
> > > There was an extended discussion of Kubrick's modernist orientation at
> > > AMK some years ago, to the extent that an edited summary of that
> > > discourse was posted at The Kubrick Site, here:http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/0092.html
>
> > > ... of which the intro was:
>
> > > "Stanley Kubrick's work can be seen as a continuation, or perhaps
> > > perfection, of the original "High Modernist" project. I'm thinking at
> > > this initial stage in crudely generic terms. By "Modernism" I mean the
> > > cultural matrix created in the wake of Marx, Nietzsche, Freud, Frazer,
> > > and the Great War [WW 1]. More particularly, I'm thinking of Pound's
> > > early formulation of Imagism. Consider its tenets:
>
> > > (1) opposition to the sentimental or emotionally manipulative and
> > > mannered, preference for singular images that are sharp, clear,
> > > arresting, and immediate;
>
> > > (2) opposition to traditional narrative and verse form in favor of
> > > "free verse," fragmentation, disjunction, juxtaposition, and freedom
> > > of choice in subjects and means;
>
> > > (3) minimalist aesthetic, preference for economy of means, terseness,
> > > precision;
>
> > > (4) all of this seen as being in the service of freeing the creative
> > > energies of the artist from the restrictions of past forms, so as to
> > > create images that are fresh, satisfying and alive, and that stimulate
> > > fresh responses in the reader/viewer.
>
> > > This seems to serve rather well at least to a good first approximation
> > > to Stanley Kubrick's aesthetic. He eschews sentimentalism and the
> > > "feelgood" approach to film, and follows a broadly experimental,
> > > eclectic path with respect to means (nothing is automatically ruled
> > > out or in). He favors image over discourse or narrative, and his
> > > images have the immediacy and crispness and autonomy one associates
> > > with an Imagist aesthetic. He relies too on juxtaposition and
> > > fragmentation. Like the Modernist-Imagist classics, his films often
> > > seem to consist of several "non-submersible units" that are juxtaposed
> > > in series rather than linked in a conventional narrative form, and the
> > > elements have the minimalist sense one finds in Imagism."
>
> > Let the images speak for themselves. *2001* was the apex of that
> > aesthetic.
>
> A bit vague, W; and images never 'speak'.
Figuratively they do.
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Harry Bailey External

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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:09 pm Post subject: Re: James Naremore's "On Kubrick" [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?) |
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On Aug 6, 9:39 pm, Wordsmith wrote:
> On Aug 5, 10:15 am, Harry Bailey wrote:
>
> > > Let the images speak for themselves. *2001* was the apex of that
> > > aesthetic.
>
> > A bit vague, W; and images never 'speak'.
>
> Figuratively they do.
>
> W : )-
Figuratively they don't; the imaginary, images, have affects.
But I'm wondering why you actually post here, W, if you are so
clearly, as your posts repeatedly demonstrate, so hostile to
(linguistic) discussion of Kubrick's work, the whole original purpose
of this newsgroup.
Maybe you'd find it much more rewarding instead to do something
analogous to that Brandon chap, and post 'images' at youtube that
would, presumably according to your thesis, 'speak for themselves'?
And adopt the new avatar/handle 'Imagesmith' (or perhaps Mutesmith,
Wordlesssmith? |
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Wordsmith External

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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: James Naremore's "On Kubrick" [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?) |
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On Aug 6, 3:09 pm, Harry Bailey wrote:
> On Aug 6, 9:39 pm, Wordsmith wrote:
>
> > On Aug 5, 10:15 am, Harry Bailey wrote:
>
> > > > Let the images speak for themselves. *2001* was the apex of that
> > > > aesthetic.
>
> > > A bit vague, W; and images never 'speak'.
>
> > Figuratively they do.
>
> > W : )-
>
> Figuratively they don't; the imaginary, images, have affects.
They speak to *me*. I see them, and words appear in my head.
> But I'm wondering why you actually post here, W, if you are so
> clearly, as your posts repeatedly demonstrate, so hostile to
> (linguistic) discussion of Kubrick's work, the whole original purpose
> of this newsgroup.
"Hostile"??? *guffaw* I've been a pretty regular contributor for
almost a decade.
> Maybe you'd find it much more rewarding instead to do something
> analogous to that Brandon chap, and post 'images' at youtube that
> would, presumably according to your thesis, 'speak for themselves'?
> And adopt the new avatar/handle 'Imagesmith' (or perhaps Mutesmith,
> Wordlesssmith?
I'm mute? I'm wordless? This post refutes you.
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