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Bruce Calvert
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:44 pm    Post subject: Edison 35mm nitrate on eBay
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9121002784

I love how the seller says it will be "Carefully and Professionally Packed
in Bubble Wrap/Styrofoam Peanuts etc. ". I sent them an email on the
dangers of shipping nitrate film.

Does Edison's FANTASMA (1914) exist in any archive? It's not listed in
Magliozzi's TREASURES FROM THE FILM ARCHIVES book.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Edison 35mm nitrate on eBay [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Well there would be no point in giving anything to AFI as they don't do
any preservation themselves ( let's not ge me started on where they
do spend money) but I did once buy a print on eBay and give it to LOC
I, the Seller and LOC THOUGHT it was a nitrate print ( Several reels of
the only known
print of a silent feature on the Life of Christ produced by the
Lutheran Church just
what every nice Jewish Atheist buys) and LOC paid for what I assume
was
an expensive shipment for it. When it arrived it turned out to be some
kind of
early safety film. Oh well at least it is safe at LOC

Jessica
Bruce Calvert wrote:
> Kim Tomadjoglou at the AFI says that the Library of Congress has one reel of
> this five-reel feature already preserved.
>
> The AFI cannot purchase films, but of course they take donations.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Edison 35mm nitrate on eBay [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Apparently, someone at another forum says LoC has it.


Darren

"Bruce Calvert" wrote in message

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9121002784
>
> I love how the seller says it will be "Carefully and Professionally Packed
> in Bubble Wrap/Styrofoam Peanuts etc. ". I sent them an email on the
> dangers of shipping nitrate film.
>
> Does Edison's FANTASMA (1914) exist in any archive? It's not listed in
> Magliozzi's TREASURES FROM THE FILM ARCHIVES book.
>
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> Bruce Calvert
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Edison 35mm nitrate on eBay [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Yes, and this print is incomplete and deteriorated.


In article , Bruce Calvert
wrote:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9121002784
>
> I love how the seller says it will be "Carefully and Professionally Packed
> in Bubble Wrap/Styrofoam Peanuts etc. ". I sent them an email on the
> dangers of shipping nitrate film.
>
> Does Edison's FANTASMA (1914) exist in any archive? It's not listed in
> Magliozzi's TREASURES FROM THE FILM ARCHIVES book.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Edison 35mm nitrate on eBay [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I thought that Ebay refused 35mm film listings. What's the story?

I ask, because I have a bunch of 35mm fragments I'm interested in
selling, and I didn't think that Ebay was a possible place to list
them.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Edison 35mm nitrate on eBay [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Kim Tomadjoglou at the AFI says that the Library of Congress has one reel of
this five-reel feature already preserved.

The AFI cannot purchase films, but of course they take donations.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 2:23 am    Post subject: Re: Edison 35mm nitrate on eBay [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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So, did you bid on this one Darren? I'm tempted, but, then I would end up
giving it away too!! Smile
james

"Darren" wrote in message

> Apparently, someone at another forum says LoC has it.
>
>
> Darren
>
> "Bruce Calvert" wrote in message
>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9121002784
>>
>> I love how the seller says it will be "Carefully and Professionally
>> Packed
>> in Bubble Wrap/Styrofoam Peanuts etc. ". I sent them an email on the
>> dangers of shipping nitrate film.
>>
>> Does Edison's FANTASMA (1914) exist in any archive? It's not listed in
>> Magliozzi's TREASURES FROM THE FILM ARCHIVES book.
>>
>> --
>> Bruce Calvert
>> --
>> Visit the Silent Film Still Archive
>> http://home.comcast.net/~silentfilm/home.htm
>>
>>
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:01 am    Post subject: Re: Edison 35mm nitrate on eBay [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I don't think that they are prohibited. If you do a quick search on Ebay you
will see a lot of 35mm trailers and a few complete films. (not always) And
every once in a while, a silent will show up.
You might contact Darren on this list. ( hah, you might already have
received an email about your fragments from him)
He might be interested.
james

"Ken Winokur" wrote in message

>I thought that Ebay refused 35mm film listings. What's the story?
>
> I ask, because I have a bunch of 35mm fragments I'm interested in
> selling, and I didn't think that Ebay was a possible place to list
> them.
>
> Ken Winokur
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:12 am    Post subject: Re: Edison 35mm nitrate on eBay [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I am staying away from that one and a few others for now.

The chunk in the center turns me off. $70+ is also way too much

That print may contaminate all the others in your house with it's acid gas,
not to mention set fire to the ones not affected. However, you could cut
off the good footage and freeze it. Still, it isn't worth the money.

An object only for the obsessive fan.

Plus I bet is smells bad by now. Sad

I have to get a new car and an air conditioner, anyway.


Darren


"james" wrote in message

> So, did you bid on this one Darren? I'm tempted, but, then I would end up
> giving it away too!! Smile
> james
>
> "Darren" wrote in message
>
> > Apparently, someone at another forum says LoC has it.
> >
> >
> > Darren
> >
> > "Bruce Calvert" wrote in message
> >
> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9121002784
> >>
> >> I love how the seller says it will be "Carefully and Professionally
> >> Packed
> >> in Bubble Wrap/Styrofoam Peanuts etc. ". I sent them an email on the
> >> dangers of shipping nitrate film.
> >>
> >> Does Edison's FANTASMA (1914) exist in any archive? It's not listed in
> >> Magliozzi's TREASURES FROM THE FILM ARCHIVES book.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Bruce Calvert
> >> --
> >> Visit the Silent Film Still Archive
> >> http://home.comcast.net/~silentfilm/home.htm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:14 am    Post subject: Re: Edison 35mm nitrate on eBay [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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You can sell it. Just not copywrited stuff but that does not stop anyone
from doing it.

Features show up from time to time but recent ones, films like TERMINATOR,
can get pulled by request from those in the industry.


Darren


"Ken Winokur" wrote in message

> I thought that Ebay refused 35mm film listings. What's the story?
>
> I ask, because I have a bunch of 35mm fragments I'm interested in
> selling, and I didn't think that Ebay was a possible place to list
> them.
>
> Ken Winokur
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:02 am    Post subject: Re: Edison 35mm nitrate on eBay [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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wrote:
> Well there would be no point in giving anything to AFI as they don't do
> any preservation themselves

Jessica, you are wrong there!

The Washington offices of the AFI do preservation.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:49 am    Post subject: Re: Edison 35mm nitrate on eBay [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article , Ken
Winokur wrote:

> I thought that Ebay refused 35mm film listings. What's the story?
>
> I ask, because I have a bunch of 35mm fragments I'm interested in
> selling, and I didn't think that Ebay was a possible place to list
> them.

eBay prohibits the sale of 35mm feature films, but they

a) Make an exception for films that are uncopyrighted
b) Miss a lot of legitimate stuff because no one complains.

I would also be interested in 35mm fragments, Ken.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Edison 35mm nitrate on eBay [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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james wrote:
> Yeah, it looks pretty bad in the photos. But, since the bidders are kept
> private, I didn't know if you had jumped on that one or not. I made a bid
> to see how fast I got outbid, and it was quick................hit Submit and
> I was already outbid.
> Someone wants it, although, I wasn't willing to go too far just to see how
> bad they wanted it. Smile
> (might have won!)
> james

James,

That just means someone had a higher bid than what you entered in the
first place.

I visited this guy's house a couple of weeks back to look at what else
he has The nitrate material is mostly in various states of
decomposition. He also has a lot of Fox material in 16mm. He's not
interested in film preservation-- he just wants top dollar and wants to
move this stuff out as fast as possible. Subsequently, he's selling
all of this stuff reel by reel, a pretty dastardly practice, in my
opinion.

Interestingly enough, his location is the next town over from
Ogdensville, where Fox and Deluxe keep their vaults, including nitrate
vaults. Small world, huh?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Edison 35mm nitrate on eBay [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Yeah, it looks pretty bad in the photos. But, since the bidders are kept
private, I didn't know if you had jumped on that one or not. I made a bid
to see how fast I got outbid, and it was quick................hit Submit and
I was already outbid.
Someone wants it, although, I wasn't willing to go too far just to see how
bad they wanted it. Smile
(might have won!)
james

"Darren" wrote in message

>I am staying away from that one and a few others for now.
>
> The chunk in the center turns me off. $70+ is also way too much
>
> That print may contaminate all the others in your house with it's acid
> gas,
> not to mention set fire to the ones not affected. However, you could cut
> off the good footage and freeze it. Still, it isn't worth the money.
>
> An object only for the obsessive fan.
>
> Plus I bet is smells bad by now. Sad
>
> I have to get a new car and an air conditioner, anyway.
>
>
> Darren
>
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Edison 35mm nitrate on eBay [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"J. Theakston" wrote in message

> That just means someone had a higher bid than what you entered in the
> first place.
>
> I visited this guy's house a couple of weeks back to look at what else
> he has The nitrate material is mostly in various states of
> decomposition. He also has a lot of Fox material in 16mm. He's not
> interested in film preservation-- he just wants top dollar and wants to
> move this stuff out as fast as possible. Subsequently, he's selling
> all of this stuff reel by reel, a pretty dastardly practice, in my
> opinion.
>
> Interestingly enough, his location is the next town over from
> Ogdensville, where Fox and Deluxe keep their vaults, including nitrate
> vaults. Small world, huh?
>
> J. Theakston
>


Oh, I knew that someone had set a higher max bid than me. And I almost
upped the bid to see how far they would go.
(not to mention how far I would go! ) But, since this was only one reel of
the film and I didn't know what I'd do with it
should I win the auction(other than give it to someone who might be able to
preserve it)I didn't go any further.
Hmmmmm,,,,,,,lives near Odgensville ..................maybe he has a key? !!
( just kidding)
And I agree that splitting the stuff up and selling it reel by reel, instead
of keeping complete films together, is a dastardly practice. But, if you're
in it for the money only (and not hoping for preservation), then it probably
makes sense.......to a
point. I don't know how many reels this particular film consisted of (or
how many he has/had) but, I would think he would get more money out of it ,
if he sold it as a complete set.
So, since you visited, did you find a copy of LAM while there? Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:46 am    Post subject: Re: Edison 35mm nitrate on eBay [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"Darren" wrote in message

> I am staying away from that one and a few others for now.
>
> The chunk in the center turns me off. $70+ is also way too much
>
> That print may contaminate all the others in your house with it's acid
gas,
> not to mention set fire to the ones not affected. However, you could cut
> off the good footage and freeze it. Still, it isn't worth the money.

In the Kevin Costner/Gene Hackman thriller "No Way Out" (featuring
a fresh-faced Sean Young years before the loon she is today) a technique
sketchily described by a wheelchaired George Dzundza involves a Polaroid
negative (the rudimentary one created by the print cover) with a latent
image that is scanned to bring the image to the surface. .

Does this type of scanning exist and if it does, can it be applied to
decomposed films like the ones described?


>
> An object only for the obsessive fan.
>
> Plus I bet is smells bad by now. Sad
>
> I have to get a new car and an air conditioner, anyway.
>
>
> Darren
>
>
> "james" wrote in message
>
> > So, did you bid on this one Darren? I'm tempted, but, then I would end
up
> > giving it away too!! Smile
> > james
> >
> > "Darren" wrote in message
> >
> > > Apparently, someone at another forum says LoC has it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Darren
> > >
> > > "Bruce Calvert" wrote in message
> > >
> > >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9121002784
> > >>
> > >> I love how the seller says it will be "Carefully and Professionally
> > >> Packed
> > >> in Bubble Wrap/Styrofoam Peanuts etc. ". I sent them an email on the
> > >> dangers of shipping nitrate film.
> > >>
> > >> Does Edison's FANTASMA (1914) exist in any archive? It's not listed
in
> > >> Magliozzi's TREASURES FROM THE FILM ARCHIVES book.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Bruce Calvert
> > >> --
> > >> Visit the Silent Film Still Archive
> > >> http://home.comcast.net/~silentfilm/home.htm
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Edison 35mm nitrate on eBay [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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In article , StormChaser
wrote:


> Does this type of scanning exist and if it does, can it be applied to
> decomposed films like the ones described?
>
As someone who used to make his living doing forensic imaging, I can
tell you that EVERYONE used to cite No Way Out as what they wanted to
do with their images...

a) This kind of scanning does not exist.
b) The kind of imaging that they do on it does not exist and if it did
could not be admitted in a court of law, thus making the whole plot
device of the film moot.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:24 am    Post subject: Re: Edison 35mm nitrate on eBay [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Photochemical, sometimes you can recover a faint image from decomped film
that has gone clear by printing with colored lights, so long as the emulsion
hasn't run off the base or been so damaged by abrasion that the, once again,
"latent" record has been destroyed. The silver can actually be bleached-out
by the out-gassing of decomposition, but be retained in the emulsion and it
will block UV and/or IR light. A fuming developer MIGHT be used to
redevelop the silver, but that would also probably cause the emulsion to run
off the base too...

Decomp is generally "repaired" digitally by reconstructing the image with
areas cloned from other adjacent frames. It can only succeed if there is an
existing complete frame or enough fragments of that same scene to
reconstruct the image.

Of course, if you have no alternate material and the image is totally gone,
nothing helps...


"Eric Grayson" wrote in message

> In article , StormChaser
> wrote:
>
>
>> Does this type of scanning exist and if it does, can it be applied to
>> decomposed films like the ones described?
>>
> As someone who used to make his living doing forensic imaging, I can
> tell you that EVERYONE used to cite No Way Out as what they wanted to
> do with their images...
>
> a) This kind of scanning does not exist.
> b) The kind of imaging that they do on it does not exist and if it did
> could not be admitted in a court of law, thus making the whole plot
> device of the film moot.
>
> Eric
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