A BS in Kubrick...

ichorwhip · External Since: Jun 08, 2007 Posts: 36

Stumbled on to this 12-point plan to utterly misrepresent Kubrick:

http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/2007/07/stanley-illuminattiwh...new.htm

Can you believe any of this? If you can, please get the help you
need. Some of it is just plain lies, and that ought to tell you
something. So Kubrick attended USC film school? mmmhmmm....

"That's a damn lie! I saw him, with my own eyes!"
i
"piop"

Boaz · External Since: Jun 05, 2007 Posts: 28

On Jul 13, 8:24 pm, ichorwhip wrote:
> Stumbled on to this 12-point plan to utterly misrepresent Kubrick:
>
> http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/2007/07/stanley-illuminattiw...
>
> Can you believe any of this? If you can, please get the help you
> need. Some of it is just plain lies, and that ought to tell you
> something. So Kubrick attended USC film school? mmmhmmm....
>
> "That's a damn lie! I saw him, with my own eyes!"
> i
> "piop"

I'm surprised someone hasn't yet linked Kubrick with the Kennedy
assassination. This whole link is total bullshit. It reminds me of
LB's posts. Where is Katharina to dispute this and the other recent
bullshit claims about her dad on this newsgroup?

Boaz
("He did no harm to anyone. Beethoven just wrote music!")

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

"Boaz" wrote in message

> On Jul 13, 8:24 pm, ichorwhip wrote:
>> Where is Katharina to dispute this and the other recent
> bullshit claims about her dad on this newsgroup?
>
> Boaz
> ("He did no harm to anyone. Beethoven just wrote music!")
>

If you are referring to what I have said regarding SK's Buddhist connection,
I already asked Katerina years back, if she had any knowledge of her father
going to a buddhist center in Los Angeles, but she had no recollection of
it. I am sure that somewhere in his archives and personal effects, there is
a particular Buddhist Scroll. But as Tim Leary once said to me, "this is
like looking for a needle in a haystack."

dc

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

"kelps" wrote in message

Regarding the origin of the mythologies and associations, the conspiracy
theories, are based...........

>>
> One of the best post-Jung (one of the patients) explanations on the
> origins of Mythology is the book, "Hamlet's Mill" by Giorgio de Santillana
> and Hertha von Dechend
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlet%27s_Mill

a .pdf file review of the book, which illustrates how difficult it must be
for people to understand what the book is saying and can't see just how
voluminous the proof they would need, would be. A whole lifetime of study
wouldn't be enough---and then to write it all down?

When critics expect writers must fulfil the monumental task of convincing
them of every historical innuendo alluded to, that is not much different
from being dependent on others to do their thinking for them.

And in this review the critic never gets it that, Santillana and Dechund,
are talking about stars in the sky as the objects of mythification and is
instead focusing on superficial points literalistically and the prose of the
authors. This critc is trying to fit Hamlet's Mill into his own limited and
confused, academic context and thereby misses the point entirely.

This article ends with the critic splitting hairs, using a quote from the
book which was attributed to Troilus by the book authors (as from the Iliad)
and the critics says it is correctly identified as Pandarus (from Chaucer's
version of the Iliad story). This is indicative of the whole review to not
see the forest through the trees.

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1972JHA.....3..206

dc

ichorwhip · External Since: Jun 08, 2007 Posts: 36

On Jul 14, 3:45 pm, "kelps" wrote:
> "Boaz" wrote in message
>
>
>
> > On Jul 13, 8:24 pm, ichorwhip wrote:
> >> Where is Katharina to dispute this and the other recent
> > bullshit claims about her dad on this newsgroup?
>
> > Boaz
> > ("He did no harm to anyone. Beethoven just wrote music!")
>
> If you are referring to what I have said regarding SK's Buddhist connection,
> I already asked Katerina years back, if she had any knowledge of her father
> going to a buddhist center in Los Angeles, but she had no recollection of
> it.

Aha! I frankly wonder if she would even have a recollection of you
asking her that, but that's beside the point.

> I am sure

NO! YOU aren't lest ye be demon or angel! Reveal yourself!

> that somewhere in his archives and personal effects, there is
> a particular Buddhist Scroll.

Might have gotten it at a swap meet if there is... There are
Buddhists who have betrayed the faith ya know... secrets have been
revealed. Freemasonry has had similar problems.

> But as Tim Leary once said to me, "this is
> like looking for a needle in a haystack."

So now you were an acquaintance of Timothy Leary? The pot
thickens... Just who the hell are you anyway?

"It's the key to the universe."
i
"piop"

ichorwhip · External Since: Jun 08, 2007 Posts: 36

On Jul 14, 12:16 am, Boaz wrote:
> On Jul 13, 8:24 pm, ichorwhip wrote:
>
> > Stumbled on to this 12-point plan to utterly misrepresent Kubrick:
>
> >http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/2007/07/stanley-illuminattiw...
>
> > Can you believe any of this? If you can, please get the help you
> > need. Some of it is just plain lies, and that ought to tell you
> > something. So Kubrick attended USC film school? mmmhmmm....
>
> > "That's a damn lie! I saw him, with my own eyes!"
> > i
> > "piop"
>
> I'm surprised someone hasn't yet linked Kubrick with the Kennedy
> assassination.

That's a good one! Why didn't I think of that? It was Kubrick in the
Book Suppository with the Candlestick....

> This whole link is total bullshit.

LOL!!! Yeah, sort of amazing bullshit at that. I'd think it was some
Uncyclopedia or Hackenthorpe Book of Lies-type entry except it seems
too personal and amateuristic to make the cut. That leads me to stink
that maybe this cat actually believes some of this stuff.

> It reminds me of
> LB's posts.

Who needs LB when you got dc?

> Where is Katharina to dispute this and the other recent
> bullshit claims about her dad on this newsgroup?

Must be indisposed...

> Boaz
> ("He did no harm to anyone. Beethoven just wrote music!")

"It's incredibly obvious isn't it?"
i
"piop"

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

"ichorwhip" wrote in message

> On Jul 14, 3:45 pm, "kelps" wrote:
>> "Boaz" wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jul 13, 8:24 pm, ichorwhip wrote:
>> >> Where is Katharina to dispute this and the other recent
>> > bullshit claims about her dad on this newsgroup?
>>
>> > Boaz
>> > ("He did no harm to anyone. Beethoven just wrote music!")
>>
>> If you are referring to what I have said regarding SK's Buddhist
>> connection,
>> I already asked Katerina years back, if she had any knowledge of her
>> father
>> going to a buddhist center in Los Angeles, but she had no recollection
>> of
>> it.
>
> Aha! I frankly wonder if she would even have a recollection of you
> asking her that, but that's beside the point.
>
>> I am sure
>
> NO! YOU aren't lest ye be demon or angel! Reveal yourself!
>
>> that somewhere in his archives and personal effects, there is
>> a particular Buddhist Scroll.
>
> Might have gotten it at a swap meet if there is... There are
> Buddhists who have betrayed the faith ya know... secrets have been
> revealed. Freemasonry has had similar problems.
>
>> But as Tim Leary once said to me, "this is
>> like looking for a needle in a haystack."
>
> So now you were an acquaintance of Timothy Leary? The pot
> thickens... Just who the hell are you anyway?
>
> "It's the key to the universe."
> i
> "piop"

I know it's tough for you, but don't be an idiot.

dc

ichorwhip · External Since: Jun 08, 2007 Posts: 36

On Jul 14, 6:08 pm, "kelps" wrote:
> "ichorwhip" wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 14, 3:45 pm, "kelps" wrote:
> >> "Boaz" wrote in message
>
> >>
>
> >> > On Jul 13, 8:24 pm, ichorwhip wrote:
> >> >> Where is Katharina to dispute this and the other recent
> >> > bullshit claims about her dad on this newsgroup?
>
> >> > Boaz
> >> > ("He did no harm to anyone. Beethoven just wrote music!")
>
> >> If you are referring to what I have said regarding SK's Buddhist
> >> connection,
> >> I already asked Katerina years back, if she had any knowledge of her
> >> father
> >> going to a buddhist center in Los Angeles, but she had no recollection
> >> of
> >> it.
>
> > Aha! I frankly wonder if she would even have a recollection of you
> > asking her that, but that's beside the point.
>
> >> I am sure
>
> > NO! YOU aren't lest ye be demon or angel! Reveal yourself!
>
> >> that somewhere in his archives and personal effects, there is
> >> a particular Buddhist Scroll.
>
> > Might have gotten it at a swap meet if there is... There are
> > Buddhists who have betrayed the faith ya know... secrets have been
> > revealed. Freemasonry has had similar problems.
>
> >> But as Tim Leary once said to me, "this is
> >> like looking for a needle in a haystack."
>
> > So now you were an acquaintance of Timothy Leary? The pot
> > thickens... Just who the hell are you anyway?
>
> > "It's the key to the universe."
> > i
> > "piop"
>
> I know it's tough for you, but don't be an idiot.
>
> dc

WTF?

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

"ichorwhip" wrote in message

> On Jul 14, 12:16 am, Boaz wrote:
>> On Jul 13, 8:24 pm, ichorwhip wrote:
>>
>> > Stumbled on to this 12-point plan to utterly misrepresent Kubrick:
>>
>> >http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/2007/07/stanley-illuminattiw...
>>
>> > Can you believe any of this? If you can, please get the help you
>> > need. Some of it is just plain lies, and that ought to tell you
>> > something. So Kubrick attended USC film school? mmmhmmm....
>>
>> > "That's a damn lie! I saw him, with my own eyes!"
>> > i
>> > "piop"
>>
>> I'm surprised someone hasn't yet linked Kubrick with the Kennedy
>> assassination.
>
> That's a good one! Why didn't I think of that? It was Kubrick in the
> Book Suppository with the Candlestick....
>
>> This whole link is total bullshit.
>
> LOL!!! Yeah, sort of amazing bullshit at that. I'd think it was some
> Uncyclopedia or Hackenthorpe Book of Lies-type entry except it seems
> too personal and amateuristic to make the cut. That leads me to stink
> that maybe this cat actually believes some of this stuff.
>
>> It reminds me of
>> LB's posts.
>
> Who needs LB when you got dc?

As though I wrote or approve of these conspiracy theories. Don't be a
dwarf. -----that's YOUR conspiracy theory.

Or that these things cannot be discussed without your pointless, sarcastic
crusade for stupification.

I know perfectly well that SK was just playing with these theories and
turned them into a great film (EWS) He was also quite aware of the
floridation conspiracy theory.(Strangelove) and he uses dozens of
metaphorical images in his films, that dabble in these areas.

But in reality , you are just as literal and thick as these conspiracy nuts,
to dismiss that SK made EWS, in light of such theories, as you have done in
the past.

Of course the conspiracy nuts are going to believe he's somehow involved,
when he makes a film that has as its centerpiece a Ritual performed by the
Secret Brotherhood of whatever.

Its not as though the conspiracy theories weren't around for SK to read
when he was alive. It's also not that SK himself, might have even been
influenced by some of these theories. Of course he was, anyone
investigating the dumping of Flouride into the water supply, is going to
have their doubts.

But is it a grand conspiracy run by space aliens? Or is it just layers of
incompetance coupled with delusion as the mainstream zeitgeist. when the
patients have taken control of the asylum?

So go sit on the bench for 10 minutes.

dc

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

"ichorwhip" wrote in message

>>
>> I know it's tough for you, but don't be an idiot.
>>
>> dc
>
> WTF?

Referring to you ridiculing and minimizing what I have told you about SK and
buddhism.

Just because you live on the edge of unreality does not mean I do.

I have simply reported a fact as a fact. You don't like that because you
don't understand it, because it was not in your direct experience of reading
books on Kubrick, well that's too bad isn't it? Doesn't jive with your
belief system? You should know that detached writers are not going to get
to the heart of a person with academic jibberish, nor is any interviewer
going to see a person the same way---nor will a person such as SK, openly
discuss everything he thinks or does or believes in, to make it convenient
for him to be pidgeonholed and attacked for his views, nor would wives or
daughters or employees, know every detail of a person's life, belief and
thoughts, especially someone like SK.

What you don't get is that I am interested in Kubrick for the same reason
you and many people are interested in him. His films were masterpieces.
Just that simple. But you should broaden your horizons about what SK was
interested in--especially when someone tell you that it is from direct
experience and actual events they are reporting, not some looney tune
speculation which is the province of the conspiracy nuts and apparently
film-academia as well.

dc

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

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Mike Jackson · External Since: Jul 07, 2004 Posts: 169

[Interior day, Musso & Frank Grill, circa 1962]

Edward D. Wood, Jr.: Do you know that I've even had producers re-cut my
movies?

Stanley Kubrick: I hate when that happens.

Edward D. Wood, Jr.: And they always want to cast their buddies. It doesn't
even matter if they're right for the part.

Stanley Kubrick: Tell me about it. I'm supposed to do a thriller for
Columbia Pictures. They want Peter Sellers as a Texan.
--
"Chess teaches you to control the initial excitement you feel when you see
something that looks good and it trains you to think objectively when you're
in trouble."
-- Stanley Kubrick

www.imtrv.com Movie Trivi · External Since: Jul 16, 2007 Posts: 3

On Jul 14, 6:24 am, ichorwhip wrote:
> Stumbled on to this 12-point plan to utterly misrepresent Kubrick:
>
> http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/2007/07/stanley-illuminattiw...
>
> Can you believe any of this? If you can, please get the help you
> need. Some of it is just plain lies, and that ought to tell you
> something. So Kubrick attended USC film school? mmmhmmm....
>
> "That's a damn lie! I saw him, with my own eyes!"
> i
> "piop"

It surprises me how people have time to make up a story like this.

Harry Bailey · External Since: Jun 04, 2007 Posts: 46

> "Chess teaches you to control the initial excitement you feel when you see
> something that looks good and it trains you to think objectively when you're
> in trouble."
> -- Stanley Kubrick

I couldn't agree more - not in terms of chess per se, but his reasons
for playing it. Indeed, if we substitute "Kubrick's films" for "chess"
above, we begin to appreciate the real perceptual import of his films,
and the vision underlying their dispassionate depiction of emotions
and human folly ...

[re your reference to D'onofrio's Welles in Ed Wood reimagined as
Kubrick, I wonder did Kubrick ever "run into" Welles, or vice versa.
It would have been a brilliant encounter, for sure, though I've never
come across any reference to such a possible meeting, even though
Welles spent a lot of time in London throughout the 1960s and 1970s.]

blue · External Since: Nov 01, 2006 Posts: 141

kelps wrote:
>
>
>
> Your posts are already ample proof you have little meaningful to say.
>

And your posts prove that you have attention deficit disorder.

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

"blue" wrote in message

> kelps wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Your posts are already ample proof you have little meaningful to say.
>>
>
> And your posts prove that you have attention deficit disorder.

Sorry but it's your ":attention," that needs some work. And your whining is
repulsive.

Some people on this NG have the mental scope of a guppie in a fish bowel.
You are one of them.

dc

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-10001986/reviews.php?critic=...&sortby

kelps · External Since: Jun 13, 2007 Posts: 147

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-10001986/reviews.php?critic=...&sortby

ichorwhip · External Since: Jun 08, 2007 Posts: 36

On Jul 17, 10:40 am, blue wrote:
> kelps wrote:
>
> > Your posts are already ample proof you have little meaningful to say.
>
> And your posts prove that you have attention deficit disorder.

"And the blueball crabs and the seven year itch!"

blue · External Since: Nov 01, 2006 Posts: 141

kelps wrote:

>
> "blue" wrote in message
>
>
>> kelps wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your posts are already ample proof you have little meaningful to say.
>>>
>>
>> And your posts prove that you have attention deficit disorder.
>
>
> Sorry but it's your ":attention," that needs some work. And your
> whining is repulsive.
>
> Some people on this NG have the mental scope of a guppie in a fish
> bowel. You are one of them.
>
> dc

Whining?

You repeatedly post off topic, bang on and on about the same subject and
reiterate what you have said over and over again in search of somebody
who agrees with you rather than indulge in an actual discussion.

You can't condense what you want to say into one post and repeatedly
multipost, responding to your own threads with endless quotations from
unrelated (to the original topic) sources.

You don't answer questions but instead post things as fact and expect
people to just sit back and praise your insight. And when they question
your 'authority' or ask for any evidence on what you say you stonewall
and insult them them in a passive agressive, smug and infuriating way.

You, my friend are a troll and to think I just deleted my post to your
pathetic life diatribe because I thought it was actually uncalled for...

So I will repeat what I said there with more venom:

A true artist doesn't need gimmicks to get their message across.
"Technology hasn't caught up with me" indeed. All I heard in that post
was WHINING about how you couldn't get your amazing 'vision' out of your
head.

Does it ever occur to you that being repeatedly told the same thing,
being lectured to, ignored and having snide comments made makes a person
agressive?

You are the definition of a troll. This newsgroup is for discussion
about Kubrick not for preaching about your cult, conspiracy theories or
how you've wasted your damn life. Just because we don't agree with
your drug addled, hippie delusions you deride us.

P.S. The fish analogy is stale. You spelt guppy wrong and you can't keep
a guppy in a bowl, it will die. Mental scope indeed.