Old version of linux?

Dan C · External Since: Nov 26, 2006 Posts: 657

On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:39:07 -0400, TJ wrote:

> Dan C wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:43:48 +0200, JBJ wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking for an old version of PC LinuxOS 2007, anyone know a place
>>> to find that?
>>>
>>> I used hours on google looking for it:(
>>
>> Bull.
>>
>>> The 2009 wont boot on my old laptop, I can't even get to the boot
>>> options, so i read in forums to try the 2007 version but can't find it
>>> anywhere.
>>
>> Tired of trolling in the Ubuntu group, eh?
>>
>> You don't use Linux, never have, and never will. You're simply a
>> simple Win-droid troll, and not even good at that.
>>
>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005
>>
>> See? Bugger off, Win-droid.
>>
>>
> Fascinating way you have of winning potential converts to the cause.

The "cause"? What cause is that?

> Insult them, and send them packing. How often does that work? But then,

How often does *what* work? What's the goal here?

> anybody who stoops to ever using a Microsoft product is a troll in your
> mind, eh?

Here in a Linux newsgroup, yes. Yes indeed.

> And of course, once a troll always a troll, right?

Yes.

> Be sure to check my headers, too. You'll see that I'm using Thunderbird
> from Mandriva Linux 2009.1. Of course, since you don't think Thunderbird
> is a "real" newsreader, that too makes me a troll in your myopic,
> tunnel-visioned eyes. Pity.

No, not a troll. Just ignorant.

> Now, crawl back into your cave so you can gnaw on your bone and leave
> civilized folks in peace.

Bugger off.

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TJ · External Since: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 6

Dan C wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:39:07 -0400, TJ wrote:
>
>> Fascinating way you have of winning potential converts to the cause.
>
> The "cause"? What cause is that?
>
Linux, fool. Most Linux users are former Microsofters that have become
enlightened.

>> Insult them, and send them packing. How often does that work? But then,
>
> How often does *what* work? What's the goal here?
>
Are you really THAT dense?

>> anybody who stoops to ever using a Microsoft product is a troll in your
>> mind, eh?
>
> Here in a Linux newsgroup, yes. Yes indeed.
>
Using that logic, if somebody posts to a calligraphy newsgroup, he
should use a quill pen, and an outboard motor in a boating newsgroup.

>> And of course, once a troll always a troll, right?
>
> Yes.
>
Intolerant clod.

>> Be sure to check my headers, too. You'll see that I'm using Thunderbird
>> from Mandriva Linux 2009.1. Of course, since you don't think Thunderbird
>> is a "real" newsreader, that too makes me a troll in your myopic,
>> tunnel-visioned eyes. Pity.
>
> No, not a troll. Just ignorant.
>
Or perhaps just someone whose opinion differs from yours.

>> Now, crawl back into your cave so you can gnaw on your bone and leave
>> civilized folks in peace.
>
> Bugger off.
>
>
How witty. Somebody throw him a new bone. He must have forgotten where
he buried the last one.

TJ
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Allodoxaphobia · External Since: Aug 20, 2004 Posts: 114

On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:34:38 -0400, TJ wrote:
> Dan C wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:39:07 -0400, TJ wrote:
>>
>>> Fascinating way you have of winning potential converts to the cause.
>>
>> The "cause"? What cause is that?
>>
> Linux, fool. Most Linux users are former Microsofters that have become
> enlightened.

Are you really that boonkers? Smile

Attempting to discuss anything with "Dan C"
is the same as wrestling with a pig.

If you don't know that old analogy....

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/q137450.html

Dan C · External Since: Nov 26, 2006 Posts: 657

On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:34:38 -0400, TJ wrote:

> Dan C wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:39:07 -0400, TJ wrote:
>>
>>> Fascinating way you have of winning potential converts to the cause.
>>
>> The "cause"? What cause is that?
>>
> Linux, fool. Most Linux users are former Microsofters that have become
> enlightened.

Whatever. I'm not trying to "win potential converts" to any cause.

>>> Insult them, and send them packing. How often does that work? But
>>> then,
>>
>> How often does *what* work? What's the goal here?
>>
> Are you really THAT dense?

No.

>>> anybody who stoops to ever using a Microsoft product is a troll in
>>> your mind, eh?
>>
>> Here in a Linux newsgroup, yes. Yes indeed.
>>
> Using that logic, if somebody posts to a calligraphy newsgroup, he
> should use a quill pen, and an outboard motor in a boating newsgroup.

Bad logic. You can't post to a newsgroup using a quill pen or an
outboard motor. Silly feeb.

>>> And of course, once a troll always a troll, right?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
> Intolerant clod.

Nope. Truthful and accurate.

>>> Be sure to check my headers, too. You'll see that I'm using
>>> Thunderbird from Mandriva Linux 2009.1. Of course, since you don't
>>> think Thunderbird is a "real" newsreader, that too makes me a troll in
>>> your myopic, tunnel-visioned eyes. Pity.
>>
>> No, not a troll. Just ignorant.
>>
> Or perhaps just someone whose opinion differs from yours.

No, just ignorant, as I said.

Bugger off, dimwit.

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TJ · External Since: Aug 29, 2009 Posts: 6

Allodoxaphobia wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:34:38 -0400, TJ wrote:
>> Dan C wrote:
>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:39:07 -0400, TJ wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fascinating way you have of winning potential converts to the cause.
>>> The "cause"? What cause is that?
>>>
>> Linux, fool. Most Linux users are former Microsofters that have become
>> enlightened.
>
> Are you really that boonkers? Smile

> Attempting to discuss anything with "Dan C"
> is the same as wrestling with a pig.
>
> If you don't know that old analogy....
>
> http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/g/q137450.html
>
Sigh. I know. But I pity the poor guy. He must have been horribly abused
as a child to have such a warped view of things. Too bad.

TJ

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JBJ · External Since: Aug 27, 2009 Posts: 7

"dillinger" <dillinger.TakeThisOut@invalid.not> skrev i meddelelsen
news:783jm6-2p8.ln1@news.picard.home...
> On 08/27/2009 08:43 PM, JBJ wrote:
>> I'm looking for an old version of PC LinuxOS 2007, anyone know a place
>> to find that?
>>
>> I used hours on google looking for it:(
>>
>> The 2009 wont boot on my old laptop, I can't even get to the boot
>> options, so i read in forums to try the 2007 version but can't find it
>> anywhere.
>>
>
> What google do you use? Smile

>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=PC+LinuxOS+2007
>
> 4th hit:
>
> http://iso.linuxquestions.org/pclinuxos/pclinuxos-2007/
>
> Michel.
>

Did you try your own links? I have allready visisted all those sites, as I
wrote before I used hours on google trying to find it. But thnx anyway:)

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Med venlig hilsen / With kind regards

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JBJ · External Since: Aug 27, 2009 Posts: 7

"VWWall" <vwall.RemoveThis@large.invalid> skrev i meddelelsen
news:ULidnfJMeOyMbgvXnZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> JBJ wrote:
>> I'm looking for an old version of PC LinuxOS 2007, anyone know a place
>> to find that?
>>
>> I used hours on google looking for it:(
>>
>> The 2009 wont boot on my old laptop, I can't even get to the boot
>> options, so i read in forums to try the 2007 version but can't find it
>> anywhere.
>>
> Did you try MineMe?
>
> http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/texstar/pclinuxos/li...cd/engl
>
> This is a good basic OS, to which you can add using Synaptic.
>
> --
> Virg Wall

HelloVirg Wall, yup I tried it, it gave the same error as 2009.2 (many
others are complaining about this too): Unable to determine available
memory size.

You dont even get to boot options menu.

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Med venlig hilsen / With kind regards

Jan Johansson

JBJ · External Since: Aug 27, 2009 Posts: 7

"J.O. Aho" <user.DeleteThis@example.net> skrev i meddelelsen
news:7fp76dF2jc9csU1@mid.individual.net...
> JBJ wrote:
>
>> The 2009 wont boot on my old laptop, I can't even get to the boot
>> options, so i read in forums to try the 2007 version but can't find it
>> anywhere.
>
> If you can't get boot options with the 2009.2 CD, then you won't have any
> more luck with 2007, check that you did really burn out the iso and not
> jut stored the iso file on the CD.
>
>
>
> --
>
> //Aho

Belive me its burned in a proper way, what happens is i get to a screen
saying: Unable to determine memory size.

Other people who has run into this managed to boot 2007, so thats why I'm
looking for it:)

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Med venlig hilsen / With kind regards

Jan Johansson

JBJ · External Since: Aug 27, 2009 Posts: 7

"darklight" <nglennglen.TakeThisOut@netscape.net> skrev i meddelelsen
news:6s6dnRuyoLLLaQXXnZ2dnUVZ8idi4p2d@bt.com...
> Antonio Macchi wrote:
>
>>> how old is your laptop i have a laptop that is 6 years old and
>>> installed
>>> opensuse 11.1 on it.
>>
>> Open Suse require 256MB RAM (as every other distribution)
>>
>> With less than 256MB you can't install latest release of KDE nor GNOME.
>>
>> Previous Release of GNOME-KDE like those in Debian Etch works fine even
>> on 128MB
>>
>> With less than 128 you can't run Firefox... you have to use Dillo
>> instead.
>
> I have old versions of suse from 8.0 up if thats any help

the laptop was made in 1999:) so far I managed installing Ubuntu 9.04
Desktop, Puppy, Kubuntu. But I like to try other things and will keep the
Ubuntu but dual boot other distros to see if there are better options for
my laptop:)

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Med venlig hilsen / With kind regards

Jan Johansson

dillinger · External Since: Jun 16, 2005 Posts: 32

On 08/31/2009 12:40 AM, JBJ wrote:
> "dillinger" <dillinger RemoveThis @invalid.not> skrev i meddelelsen
> news:783jm6-2p8.ln1@news.picard.home...
>> On 08/27/2009 08:43 PM, JBJ wrote:
>>> I'm looking for an old version of PC LinuxOS 2007, anyone know a place
>>> to find that?
>>>
>>> I used hours on google looking for it:(
>>>
>>> The 2009 wont boot on my old laptop, I can't even get to the boot
>>> options, so i read in forums to try the 2007 version but can't find it
>>> anywhere.
>>>
>>
>> What google do you use? Smile

>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=PC+LinuxOS+2007
>>
>> 4th hit:
>>
>> http://iso.linuxquestions.org/pclinuxos/pclinuxos-2007/
>>
>> Michel.
>>
>
>
> Did you try your own links? I have allready visisted all those sites, as
> I wrote before I used hours on google trying to find it. But thnx anyway:)
>

No, I didn't, sorry.

I had another look and found one incredibly slow working link:

http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/pub/linux/pclinuxos/live-cd/english/preview/
or
ftp://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/pub/linux/pclinuxos/live-cd/english/preview/

Good Luck,

Michel.

JBJ · External Since: Aug 27, 2009 Posts: 7

"dillinger" <dillinger DeleteThis @invalid.not> skrev i meddelelsen
news:umksm6-eti.ln1@news.picard.home...
> On 08/31/2009 12:40 AM, JBJ wrote:
>> "dillinger" <dillinger DeleteThis @invalid.not> skrev i meddelelsen
>> news:783jm6-2p8.ln1@news.picard.home...
>>> On 08/27/2009 08:43 PM, JBJ wrote:
>>>> I'm looking for an old version of PC LinuxOS 2007, anyone know a place
>>>> to find that?
>>>>
>>>> I used hours on google looking for it:(
>>>>
>>>> The 2009 wont boot on my old laptop, I can't even get to the boot
>>>> options, so i read in forums to try the 2007 version but can't find it
>>>> anywhere.
>>>>
>>>
>>> What google do you use? Smile

>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=PC+LinuxOS+2007
>>>
>>> 4th hit:
>>>
>>> http://iso.linuxquestions.org/pclinuxos/pclinuxos-2007/
>>>
>>> Michel.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Did you try your own links? I have allready visisted all those sites, as
>> I wrote before I used hours on google trying to find it. But thnx
>> anyway:)
>>
>
> No, I didn't, sorry.
>
> I had another look and found one incredibly slow working link:
>
> http://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/pub/linux/pclinuxos/live-cd/english/preview/
> or
> ftp://ftp.leg.uct.ac.za/pub/linux/pclinuxos/live-cd/english/preview/
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Michel.

Hi Michel, thanx for the effort, but that is way too slow for me patience:)
Hehehehe:)

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Med venlig hilsen / With kind regards

Jan Johansson

old-polack · External Since: Aug 27, 2009 Posts: 3

On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:38:31 +0000, Allodoxaphobia wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:31:30 -0500, old-polack wrote:

>> All dead links. The 2007 .iso is no longer hosted, or supported.
>
> Sadly, that may be true.
> I've been using some PC LinuxOS 2007 rpms to keep my workhorse Mdk 10.2
> "updated". After seeing this post I re-visited my bookmarked pclos2007
> sites to see if I could help.
>
> Several sites are gone -- or hi-jacked. There appear to be a lot of
> pclos2009 RPMs "polluting" the pclos2007 directories. No ISOs -- not
> that I ever needed a pclos2007 ISO.

There's no pollution. 2007 and 2009 are one and the same. The ISO images
are just snapshots of the same system taken at different times, as
the repositories are continuously updated. Each time any new package is
installed, the whole system gets upgraded, if the user is using Synaptic
properly, which keeps the users system in sync with the software currently
in the repo.

There's no reason to have a 2007 ISO when 90+% of the packages will have
to be upgraded to be current. Even the newest 2009.2 ISO needs to be
upgraded as soon as the installation is finished, before additional
packages can be safely installed. You won't find a 2009, or 2009.1 ISO in
the repositories, for the same reason.

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JBJ · External Since: Aug 27, 2009 Posts: 7

"old-polack" <polack RemoveThis @here.home.local> skrev i meddelelsen
news:pan.2009.09.03.07.41.43.402628@here.home.local...
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:38:31 +0000, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:31:30 -0500, old-polack wrote:
>
>>> All dead links. The 2007 .iso is no longer hosted, or supported.
>>
>> Sadly, that may be true.
>> I've been using some PC LinuxOS 2007 rpms to keep my workhorse Mdk 10.2
>> "updated". After seeing this post I re-visited my bookmarked pclos2007
>> sites to see if I could help.
>>
>> Several sites are gone -- or hi-jacked. There appear to be a lot of
>> pclos2009 RPMs "polluting" the pclos2007 directories. No ISOs -- not
>> that I ever needed a pclos2007 ISO.
>
> There's no pollution. 2007 and 2009 are one and the same. The ISO images
> are just snapshots of the same system taken at different times, as
> the repositories are continuously updated. Each time any new package is
> installed, the whole system gets upgraded, if the user is using Synaptic
> properly, which keeps the users system in sync with the software
> currently
> in the repo.
>
> There's no reason to have a 2007 ISO when 90+% of the packages will have
> to be upgraded to be current. Even the newest 2009.2 ISO needs to be
> upgraded as soon as the installation is finished, before additional
> packages can be safely installed. You won't find a 2009, or 2009.1 ISO in
> the repositories, for the same reason.
>
> --
> old-polack
> Of what use be there for joy, if not for the sharing thereof?
>
>
>

I think there is one good reason to have the old one, as you would know
having read the thread:) The new one won't install on that laptop, where
the old one will!

That it will be upgraded later through updates is just fine, but not the
current issue.

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Med venlig hilsen / With kind regards

Jan Johansson

old-polack · External Since: Aug 27, 2009 Posts: 3

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:34:24 +0200, JBJ wrote:

> "old-polack" <polack.DeleteThis@here.home.local> skrev i meddelelsen
> news:pan.2009.09.03.07.41.43.402628@here.home.local...
>> On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:38:31 +0000, Allodoxaphobia wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:31:30 -0500, old-polack wrote:
>>
>>>> All dead links. The 2007 .iso is no longer hosted, or supported.
>>>
>>> Sadly, that may be true.
>>> I've been using some PC LinuxOS 2007 rpms to keep my workhorse Mdk 10.2
>>> "updated". After seeing this post I re-visited my bookmarked pclos2007
>>> sites to see if I could help.
>>>
>>> Several sites are gone -- or hi-jacked. There appear to be a lot of
>>> pclos2009 RPMs "polluting" the pclos2007 directories. No ISOs -- not
>>> that I ever needed a pclos2007 ISO.
>>
>> There's no pollution. 2007 and 2009 are one and the same. The ISO images
>> are just snapshots of the same system taken at different times, as
>> the repositories are continuously updated. Each time any new package is
>> installed, the whole system gets upgraded, if the user is using Synaptic
>> properly, which keeps the users system in sync with the software
>> currently
>> in the repo.
>>
>> There's no reason to have a 2007 ISO when 90+% of the packages will have
>> to be upgraded to be current. Even the newest 2009.2 ISO needs to be
>> upgraded as soon as the installation is finished, before additional
>> packages can be safely installed. You won't find a 2009, or 2009.1 ISO in
>> the repositories, for the same reason.
>>
>> --
>> old-polack
>> Of what use be there for joy, if not for the sharing thereof?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> I think there is one good reason to have the old one, as you would know
> having read the thread:) The new one won't install on that laptop, where
> the old one will!
>
> That it will be upgraded later through updates is just fine, but not the
> current issue.

Except that it won't be upgraded smoothly, and most likely, not
at all, as the number of upgrades has reached the point that without the
transitional, in between stages of the upgrade path, the system can't make
the translations between the software on the 2007 installation ISO image
to what is currently in the repositories.

Picture, if you will, trying to upgrade a Red Hat 9 installation to the
latest Fedora release, rather than just a clean install of Fedora. Odds of
success are slim to none. Most distros try to discourage upgrades in favor
of clean installations when the have a new point release. The upgrade is
usually trivial, but there is always the small risk of something
conflicting. The greater the gap between the version installed and the
newest release the greater the possibility of failure, until failure
becomes a certainty.

The 2007 release has reached the stage that the upgrade path between it
and the 2009.2 release has gaps and truncations to the extent that failure
to upgrade is an almost certainty.

All distros support their releases for a certain time, then cease to
support them once that time has expired. When no longer supportable, they
remove the repos entirely. As the PCLinuxOS repositories are in a
continuous state of change, they are in affect, both self deleting and
self regenerating, so only the installation ISO images are subject to
retirement. The 2007 installation ISO image has been retired, as it's no
longer viable as an upgradeable installation source.

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