[fw] Remaster Ubuntu 9.04 from the ISO image

"Man-wai Chang to The Doo · External Since: Jul 05, 2009 Posts: 9

Something like vLite & nLite in Micro$oft world ... Smile

http://blog.dipinkrishna.info/2009/07/customise-or-remaster-ubuntu-904...unty.ht

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J.O. Aho · External Since: Mar 26, 2004 Posts: 2216

Man-wai Chang to The Door (+MS=V32B) wrote:
>
> Something like vLite & nLite in Micro$oft world ... Smile

>
> http://blog.dipinkrishna.info/2009/07/customise-or-remaster-ubuntu-904...unty.ht

Just go with SourceMage or Gentoo, no need to use Linux version to microsoft.

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"Man-wai Chang to The Doo · External Since: Jul 05, 2009 Posts: 9

J.O. Aho wrote:
> Man-wai Chang to The Door (+MS=V32B) wrote:
>>
>> Something like vLite & nLite in Micro$oft world ... Smile

>>
>> http://blog.dipinkrishna.info/2009/07/customise-or-remaster-ubuntu-904...unty.ht
>
>
> Just go with SourceMage or Gentoo, no need to use Linux version to
> microsoft.
>

I have yet to see a Linux distribution that allows you to specify a
driver from a USB drive *DURING INSTALLATION*.

Vi$ta had broken the ice, and I think Linux should follow.

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Davorin Vlahovic · External Since: Jan 03, 2005 Posts: 305

[Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:15:20 +0800] Man-wai Chang to The Door (+MS=V32B) je napisao/la:
> I have yet to see a Linux distribution that allows you to specify a
> driver from a USB drive *DURING INSTALLATION*.
>
> Vi$ta had broken the ice, and I think Linux should follow.

WTF? What exactly prevents you to go to console and type "insmod
blahblah.ko" during installation? I was doing it in the last century, only
using floppies and/or network.

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J.O. Aho · External Since: Mar 26, 2004 Posts: 2216

Man-wai Chang to The Door (+MS=V32B) wrote:
> J.O. Aho wrote:
>> Man-wai Chang to The Door (+MS=V32B) wrote:
>>>
>>> Something like vLite & nLite in Micro$oft world ... Smile

>>>
>>> http://blog.dipinkrishna.info/2009/07/customise-or-remaster-ubuntu-904...unty.ht
>>
>>
>>
>> Just go with SourceMage or Gentoo, no need to use Linux version to
>> microsoft.
>>
>
> I have yet to see a Linux distribution that allows you to specify a
> driver from a USB drive *DURING INSTALLATION*.
>
> Vi$ta had broken the ice, and I think Linux should follow.

You mean to remove the majority of our drivers, and see to that each driver
has to be downloaded from different websites? Sure, thats a great step forward.

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//Aho

"Man-wai Chang to The Doo · External Since: Jul 05, 2009 Posts: 9

>> I have yet to see a Linux distribution that allows you to specify a
>> driver from a USB drive *DURING INSTALLATION*.
>>
>> Vi$ta had broken the ice, and I think Linux should follow.
>
> You mean to remove the majority of our drivers, and see to that each
> driver has to be downloaded from different websites? Sure, thats a great
> step forward.

No... I meant hardware devices (notably storage chipsets) born after the
kernel was released. Then the kernel would not have their drivers.

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"Man-wai Chang to The Doo · External Since: Jul 05, 2009 Posts: 9

> WTF? What exactly prevents you to go to console and type "insmod
> blahblah.ko" during installation? I was doing it in the last century, only
> using floppies and/or network.

Without the need to compile or cross-compile the driver from source
first? Smile

Note that the driver has kernel versions.

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Davorin Vlahovic · External Since: Jan 03, 2005 Posts: 305

[Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:28:47 +0800] Man-wai Chang to The Door (+MS=V32B) je napisao/la:
>> WTF? What exactly prevents you to go to console and type "insmod
>> blahblah.ko" during installation? I was doing it in the last century, only
>> using floppies and/or network.
>
> Without the need to compile or cross-compile the driver from source
> first? Smile

Why would I need to compile the driver for? Already have them compiled by the
kernel package maintainer.

> Note that the driver has kernel versions.

You don't say Smile

BTW, so how's that win 2k/xp drivers working on Vista/Win 7? Very Happy

Got any
Creative SB Live sound cards? Smile

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Davorin Vlahovic · External Since: Jan 03, 2005 Posts: 305

[Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:27:52 +0800] Man-wai Chang to The Door (+MS=V32B) je napisao/la:
>>> I have yet to see a Linux distribution that allows you to specify a
>>> driver from a USB drive *DURING INSTALLATION*.
>>>
>>> Vi$ta had broken the ice, and I think Linux should follow.
>>
>> You mean to remove the majority of our drivers, and see to that each
>> driver has to be downloaded from different websites? Sure, thats a great
>> step forward.
>
> No... I meant hardware devices (notably storage chipsets) born after the
> kernel was released. Then the kernel would not have their drivers.

But then you could download a precompiled one for your version of the kernel,
especially if you don't usually diverge from the distro kernel. Ubuntu already
does it for non-free drivers like nVidia graphics and wireless chipsets.

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J.O. Aho · External Since: Mar 26, 2004 Posts: 2216

Man-wai Chang to The Door (+MS=V32B) wrote:
>>> I have yet to see a Linux distribution that allows you to specify a
>>> driver from a USB drive *DURING INSTALLATION*.
>>>
>>> Vi$ta had broken the ice, and I think Linux should follow.
>>
>> You mean to remove the majority of our drivers, and see to that each
>> driver has to be downloaded from different websites? Sure, thats a
>> great step forward.
>
> No... I meant hardware devices (notably storage chipsets) born after the
> kernel was released. Then the kernel would not have their drivers.
>

Why not take and install a newer release with the new drivers instead of
trying to install RedHat 5.2 on your newly bought Octa Core Intel based
machine, you will benefit that you don't have download every update and even
then end up with an unsupported version.

And by the way, you have always been able to boot install media with another
kernel than the one that comes on the CD, try to run the microsoft installer
with an uptodate microsoft kernel.

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//Aho

"Man-wai Chang to The Doo · External Since: Jul 05, 2009 Posts: 9

> Why not take and install a newer release with the new drivers instead of
> trying to install RedHat 5.2 on your newly bought Octa Core Intel based
> machine, you will benefit that you don't have download every update and
> even then end up with an unsupported version.
>
> And by the way, you have always been able to boot install media with
> another kernel than the one that comes on the CD, try to run the
> microsoft installer with an uptodate microsoft kernel.

Both you and David seemed to suggest instead of adding drivers during
installation, one should wait for a newer distribution that contained
the drivers of your latest and greatest hardware devices....

Well... I think allowing users to add drivers during installation via a
USB drive could be more convenient, and that users would not need to wait.

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J G Miller · External Since: Dec 08, 2004 Posts: 34

On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 21:03:42 +0800, Man-wai Chang to The Door (+MS=V32B)
wrote:

> Well... I think allowing users to add drivers during installation via a
> USB drive could be more convenient, and that users would not need to
> wait.

Why a USB drive and not an NFS mounted drive or a FTP or HTTP server?

J.O. Aho · External Since: Mar 26, 2004 Posts: 2216

Man-wai Chang to The Door (+MS=V32B) wrote:
>> Why not take and install a newer release with the new drivers instead
>> of trying to install RedHat 5.2 on your newly bought Octa Core Intel
>> based machine, you will benefit that you don't have download every
>> update and even then end up with an unsupported version.
>>
>> And by the way, you have always been able to boot install media with
>> another kernel than the one that comes on the CD, try to run the
>> microsoft installer with an uptodate microsoft kernel.
>
> Both you and David seemed to suggest instead of adding drivers during
> installation, one should wait for a newer distribution that contained
> the drivers of your latest and greatest hardware devices....

In 99% of the cases you are trying to install an out date version, or would
you think that it would be okey to try to install microsoft vista on the
cutting edge computer you buy 2048?

And still you can boot the install media with a kernel not provided on the
install media.

> Well... I think allowing users to add drivers during installation via a
> USB drive could be more convenient, and that users would not need to wait.

It's not suited for Linux and we have methods to do similar things and most
distributions has a release cycle of 6 months, which is far shorter time to
wait than what you have to do when you use microsoft, who don't even bother to
fix really serious bugs.

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//Aho

Davorin Vlahovic · External Since: Jan 03, 2005 Posts: 305

[Sat, 08 Aug 2009 21:03:42 +0800] Man-wai Chang to The Door (+MS=V32B) je napisao/la:
>> Why not take and install a newer release with the new drivers instead of
>> trying to install RedHat 5.2 on your newly bought Octa Core Intel based
>> machine, you will benefit that you don't have download every update and
>> even then end up with an unsupported version.
>>
>> And by the way, you have always been able to boot install media with
>> another kernel than the one that comes on the CD, try to run the
>> microsoft installer with an uptodate microsoft kernel.
>
> Both you and David seemed to suggest instead of adding drivers during
> installation, one should wait for a newer distribution that contained
> the drivers of your latest and greatest hardware devices....
>
> Well... I think allowing users to add drivers during installation via a
> USB drive could be more convenient, and that users would not need to wait.

No need to wait for a new kernel. Don't you see, if someone writes a driver
and compiles it against known distro kernel you could add it to a running
kernel. It's the same procedure as in Windows.

The only problem you can see is there are a lot of kernel versions in a small
time frame. Are you saying it's a bad thing to have new things, or should we
wait for 7 years between 2 kernel versions as in XP->Vista situation?

Also, Linux has DKMS so you wouldn't have to whine about recompiling or even
seeing a compiler. Having source code is definitely a plus and only an idiot
would claim otherwise.
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