KDE 3.5.6

Ana Guerrero · External Since: Nov 01, 2006 Posts: 110

Hi,

KDE 3.5.6 has been released today and it is available in experimental.
It has been uploaded to experimental due to the Etch freeze, if you run
unstable, you can install it safely in your system.

Ana

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Jan De Luyck · External Since: Jun 01, 2006 Posts: 10

On Thursday 25 January 2007, Ana Guerrero wrote:
> Hi,
>
> KDE 3.5.6 has been released today and it is available in experimental.
> It has been uploaded to experimental due to the Etch freeze, if you run
> unstable, you can install it safely in your system.

Cool, thanks!

(running 3.5.6 as we speak)

Jan

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"Cédric_Boutillier · External Since: May 20, 2006 Posts: 23

Hi !

What is the recommended way to upgrade to KDE 3.5.6 ? There should be
something better than downloading all the packages with wget, and then
install them by hand with dpkg.
Could you give me some tips here ?

Thanks !

Cedric

On 1/26/07, Jan De Luyck <ml_debiankde_20060213.RemoveThis@kcore.org> wrote:
> On Thursday 25 January 2007, Ana Guerrero wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > KDE 3.5.6 has been released today and it is available in experimental.
> > It has been uploaded to experimental due to the Etch freeze, if you run
> > unstable, you can install it safely in your system.

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Didier Raboud · External Since: Nov 09, 2006 Posts: 30

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Cédric Boutillier a écrit :

> Hi !
>
> What is the recommended way to upgrade to KDE 3.5.6 ? There should be
> something better than downloading all the packages with wget, and then
> install them by hand with dpkg.
> Could you give me some tips here ?
>
> Thanks !
>
> Cedric

Hi,

you should add an "experimental" repository to your /etc/apt/sources.list,
like that :

deb (my nearest repository from [0]) experimental main

for me, it's :

deb ftp://mirror.switch.ch/mirror/debian experimental main

Then go into aptitude and update, after checking that only desired packages
are updated (check each and every update !). Then remove the line given
above. There is certainly a possibility to make it in a better way, but it
works.

Greetings,

Didier

[0] http://www.debian.org/mirror/list

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Soenke von Stamm · External Since: Nov 04, 2004 Posts: 7

experimental should usually have a low priority, so that those packes don't
get installed by default. I have experimental in my sources.list permanently.
The most convient way to install 3.5.6 to me was to use Synaptic, temporarily
switch (Menu)Settings -> Settings -> Distribution -> prefer version
to "experimental" (translated from German), select all needed packages from
the "upgradeable" list, commit and afterwards switch back the prefered
version or default which is highest version I think.

Yours,

Sönke

Christoph Burgmer · External Since: Nov 20, 2004 Posts: 17

Am Donnerstag, 8. Februar 2007 13:38 schrieb Didier Raboud:
> Cédric Boutillier a écrit :

> Then go into aptitude and update, after checking that only desired packages
> are updated (check each and every update !). Then remove the line given
> above. There is certainly a possibility to make it in a better way, but it
> works.

The only option I see is checking the whole lot of KDE packages. That would
meen I'd have to set each one to the new version. With >50 packages this is
not an option. Putting some base package to 3.5.6 and waiting for aptitude to
resolve the conflicts doesn't work. Am I missing something?

Christoph

Florian Kulzer · External Since: Dec 09, 2004 Posts: 71

On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 17:34:43 +0100, Christoph Burgmer wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 8. Februar 2007 13:38 schrieb Didier Raboud:
> > Cédric Boutillier a écrit :
>
> > Then go into aptitude and update, after checking that only desired packages
> > are updated (check each and every update !). Then remove the line given
> > above. There is certainly a possibility to make it in a better way, but it
> > works.
>
> The only option I see is checking the whole lot of KDE packages. That would
> meen I'd have to set each one to the new version. With >50 packages this is
> not an option. Putting some base package to 3.5.6 and waiting for aptitude to
> resolve the conflicts doesn't work. Am I missing something?

Here is how I did it for KDE 3.5.6 (and Openoffice 2.1):

1) Add an experimental repository to your sources.list as discussed
earlier.

2) Check the output of "apt-cache policy kdelibs4c2a": Apt(itude) should
still prefer "unstable" by default. "Experimental" should have
priority "1", meaning that it will not be considered if you start
aptitude normally. (In fact, the experimental versions are not even
listed by aptitude on my system.)

3) You can continue to use your aptitude normally, both in interactive
mode and from the command line, to keep your "unstable" packages up
to date.

4) Now the trick: Whenever you want to install something from
"experimental" (or if you want to check for updates) you can run
"aptitude -t experimental". You will start an interactive session and
you will see the experimental packages listed under "upgradable
packages". (You have to "u"pdate the list of available packages
first, of course.)

5) You can now select your desired packages from the "upgradable" list
and schedule them for an upgrade with "+". For KDE you can press "+"
once for the entire KDE section. Aptitude will notice missing
dependencies and propose solutions. You can examine them with "e" and
then use "," and "." to move back and forth among the solutions until
you find the one you like, i.e. upgrading all necessary dependencies.
Accept this solution by pressing "!" when it is shown.

6) Now you can press "g" and aptitude will show you a summary list with
the "kept-back" (not to be upgraded) packages first, followed by the
list of packages which will be upgraded (scroll up or down with the
cursor keys). It might also show that some unused packages will be
removed, for example if they are made obsolete by one of the
scheduled upgrades.

7) For a complex upgrade like KDE it is advisable to look over the
entire "kept-back" list for packages that you missed. You can
directly press "+" when you have selected them from that list and
they will be upgraded, too. (Dependencies will be shown and resolved
as with point 5 above.)

Cool

Once you are happy with the list of to-be-upgraded packages you can
press "g" a second time and off you go.

9) If you are unsure about what is happening at any time, you can always
press "q" repeatedly until you you quit aptitude and then run "aptitude
keep-all" from the command line. This will cancel all scheduled
actions, for example if you think you made a mistake in the package
selection.

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Christoph Burgmer · External Since: Nov 20, 2004 Posts: 17

Am Donnerstag, 8. Februar 2007 schrieb Florian Kulzer:
> On Thu, Feb 08, 2007 at 17:34:43 +0100, Christoph Burgmer wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, 8. Februar 2007 13:38 schrieb Didier Raboud:
> > > Cédric Boutillier a écrit :
> > >
> > > Then go into aptitude and update, after checking that only desired
> > > packages are updated (check each and every update !). Then remove the
> > > line given above. There is certainly a possibility to make it in a
> > > better way, but it works.
> >
> > The only option I see is checking the whole lot of KDE packages. That
> > would meen I'd have to set each one to the new version. With >50 packages
> > this is not an option. Putting some base package to 3.5.6 and waiting for
> > aptitude to resolve the conflicts doesn't work. Am I missing something?
>

[snip]

> 4) Now the trick: Whenever you want to install something from
> "experimental" (or if you want to check for updates) you can run
> "aptitude -t experimental". You will start an interactive session and
> you will see the experimental packages listed under "upgradable
> packages". (You have to "u"pdate the list of available packages
> first, of course.)
>

[snip]

Thanks for the detailed plan. Point 4 was what I missed before.
KDE 3.5.6 running here now.
But: Logging back into KDE made all my applications crash.
.xsession-errors reports "Failed to create XIM input context!" (I'm running
some input method for chinese over here). Setting my locale back so that
debian wouldn't start scim (the chines input method) solves the problem for
now.
I don't know exactly where the problem is and .xsession-errors reports a lot
more, but for now I will try to upgrade my unstable installation (without
additional experimental packages) as I didn't do a full upgrade before. If
this doesn't work I guess I have to dig deeper.

Chris

Martin Steigerwald · External Since: Jun 10, 2006 Posts: 47

Am Mittwoch 07 Februar 2007 schrieb CÃ©dric Boutillier:
> Hi !
>
> What is the recommended way to upgrade to KDE 3.5.6 ? There should be
> something better than downloading all the packages with wget, and then
> install them by hand with dpkg.
> Could you give me some tips here ?

Hello!

What a coincidence, I already thought about posting some hints, but then
thought they may probably not be needed.

Add something like this to /etc/apt/sources.list:

---------------------------------------------------------------------
# Debian Experimental
deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian experimental main non-free contrib
deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian experimental main non-free contrib
---------------------------------------------------------------------

Depending on this parts of KDE you have installed do something like this:

---------------------------------------------------------------------
aptitude -t experimental install kdeaccessibility kdeaddons kdeadmin
kdeartwork kdebase kdeedu kdegames kdegraphics kdelibs kdelibs4c2a
kdemultimedia kdenetwork kdepim kdeprint kdesdk kdesktop kdetoys kdeutils
kdm
---------------------------------------------------------------------

(above is for complete KDE with all bells and whistles)

The following command at least gives a hint on which KDE meta packages are
installed, given that you have KDE 3.5.5 installed:

dpkg -l | grep "kde.*3.5.5" | awk '{print $2}' | grep -v "-" | grep "^kde"

(Its not perfect, it shows a few packages that aren't meta packages.)

You can use this when only some newer meta packages are available and you
want to track how complete your update already is. It for example told me
that I missed kdewebdev Wink

:

shambala:~/backup> dpkg -l | grep "kde.*3.5.5" | awk '{print $2}' |
grep -v "-" | grep "^kde"
kdewebdev

Replace 3.5.5 with 3.5.6 if you want to see the metapackages from KDE
3.5.6.

Lastly check locale packages seperately (they get filtered by above
command, cause they contain - signs;-):

Seems german files are still to come Wink

:

shambala:~/backup> apt-cache policy kde-i18n-de
kde-i18n-de:
Installiert:4:3.5.5-1
MÃ¶gliche Pakete:4:3.5.5-1
Versions-Tabelle:
*** 4:3.5.5-1 0
990 http://debian.n-ix.net etch/main Packages
500 http://debian.n-ix.net sid/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

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