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Sven Luther
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 5:01 am    Post subject: Question to all the candidates: what mistakes have you made and what did you learn of it
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Hi all,

Since so much of the perceived troubles debian has been having lately can be
traced down to arrogance and pride, as well as failures to communicate, i want
to ask these question to the DPL candidates now :

1) Can you tell us a few of the most important mistakes you have made during
these past two years with regard to debian ?

(I am particularly interested in the replies from Steve and Anthony, who
where in power the last term, but also of other who had similar leadership
activities in some other sub-team in debian).

2) What do you believe where the consequences of those mistakes ?

3) What do you think in retrospect you would have done differently ?

4) What lessons did these mistakes teach you, and how will this affect
similar situations you will be facing as DPL if elected, or as normal DD if
not elected ?

Friendly,

Sven Luther




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Raphael Hertzog
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:01 am    Post subject: Re: Question to all the candidates: what mistakes have you made and what did you learn of it [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Hi,

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Sven Luther wrote:
> 1) Can you tell us a few of the most important mistakes you have made during
> these past two years with regard to debian ?

The announce of an Ubuntu freeze on d-d-a.

> 2) What do you believe where the consequences of those mistakes ?

A big flamewar.

> 3) What do you think in retrospect you would have done differently ?

I shouldn't have sent this announce given that it had no direct benefit to
Debian. Instead I have gone through other routes to promote better
collaboration between both distributions.

> 4) What lessons did these mistakes teach you, and how will this affect
> similar situations you will be facing as DPL if elected, or as normal DD if
> not elected ?

You can be in good faith trying to do something positive and still be the
source of flamewar. That's why I believe peer-review is important in
particular for high-visibility tasks such as the one of the DPL. And with
a DPL board, there's this level of selection that avoid the biggest
mistakes.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: Question to all the candidates: what mistakes have you made and what did you learn of it [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Sven Luther wrote:
> > 1) Can you tell us a few of the most important mistakes you have made during
> > these past two years with regard to debian ?
>
> The announce of an Ubuntu freeze on d-d-a.

FWIW, I voluntarily overlooked technical mistakes like the one which
resulted in
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/02/msg00015.html
because I think that's not the kind of mistakes that Sven was referring
to.

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Sven Luther
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: Question to all the candidates: what mistakes have you made and what did you learn of it [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 11:08:26AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > 1) Can you tell us a few of the most important mistakes you have made during
> > > these past two years with regard to debian ?
> >
> > The announce of an Ubuntu freeze on d-d-a.
>
> FWIW, I voluntarily overlooked technical mistakes like the one which
> resulted in
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/02/msg00015.html
> because I think that's not the kind of mistakes that Sven was referring
> to.

Indeed, i was refering to let's call them social mistakes.

technical problems can easily be overcome if there is enough good-will on all
sides, and enough competence and time. If they remain problems, then they are
no more purely technical problems, but of the more ugly social kind ones.

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Sven Luther


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