What's up with this boot time focus?

Chris Ahlstrom · External Since: Jan 08, 2009 Posts: 484

Peter K??hlmann pulled this Usenet boner:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc.TakeThisOut@launchmodem.com> writes:
>>>
>>> Google:
>>>
>>> "laptop suspend problems"+Linux
>>> Results 1 - 8 of 8 for "laptop suspend problems"+Linux.
>>>
>>> "laptop suspend problems"+Windows
>>> Results 1 - 10 of about 916 for "laptop suspend problems"+Window
>>>
>>> Correcting by the bogus "market share" numbers, the two OS's would seem
>>> to be comparably problematic, based on this admittedly rather poor
>>> metric.
>>
>> Over the years I had various laptops. Never once a problem with XP on
>> them.

Unfortunately, because of the manifest history of outrageous lying with
"Hadron", who can believe this?

I certainly don't, because I see problems with XP almost every freakin' day.

>> The one I have now has "supported" Linux for years (or been supported)
>> and it doesn't work. Others I know with Linux report the same on both
>> laptop AND desktop. My desktop doesn't hibernate properly either.
>>
>> That combined with the links I have posted before and the general
>> concensus makes your metric VERY VERY poor indeed.
>>
>> It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not accept
>> that?

"Hadron" is so stupid and hateful that he cannot even see that I am, to a
small degree, *agreeing* with him. However, as usual, "Hadron" the
Microsoft fanboi seriously exaggerates the problems with *modern*
Linux distros and recent kernels.

> Because you are lying, plain and simple

And I can assure you that I have two laptops that suspend properly
(occasional glitch on the Acer).

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Chris Ahlstrom · External Since: Jan 08, 2009 Posts: 484

William Poaster pulled this Usenet boner:

> Heh. Ironic isn't it.
>
> 1] "It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not accept
> that?"
>
> "laptop suspend problems"+Windows
> Results 1 - 10 of about 916 for "laptop suspend problems"+Window
>
> And yet the M$ fanboi troll can't accept there is also a probelm with
> Windoze.
>
> 2] " Never once a problem with XP on them."
>
> Another "XP works for me" post from the Hadron M$ trollboi!
>
> When a Linux user says they've had no problems, the troll screams "Liar" &
> accuses them of "Works for me" posts.
>
> As I said, ironic isn't it..

It's hypocritical, at best. But I believe it is asstroturfing.

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William Poaster · External Since: Oct 30, 2009 Posts: 20

Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, Peter Köhlmann was heard to
say:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc.RemoveThis@launchmodem.com> writes:
>>
>>> ceed pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:29:56 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel
>>>>>>> guys are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux
>>>>>>> perform better in that arena.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Problems are what gets documented. The thing is that for all the
>>>>>> people who do not have problems there are no documentation. So to
>>>>>> base it on how many reports a problem doesn't say much about how
>>>>>> severe the problem is statistically.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're slipping btw. The style is slipping through.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are right problems are documented. And they are documented very,
>>>>> very frequently for Linux based laptops/desktops for hibernate and
>>>>> suspend. It's no secret it doesnt work well.
>>>
>>> Google:
>>>
>>> "laptop suspend problems"+Linux
>>> Results 1 - 8 of 8 for "laptop suspend problems"+Linux.
>>>
>>> "laptop suspend problems"+Windows
>>> Results 1 - 10 of about 916 for "laptop suspend problems"+Window
>>>
>>> Correcting by the bogus "market share" numbers, the two OS's would seem
>>> to be comparably problematic, based on this admittedly rather poor
>>> metric.
>>>
>>> Bing:
>>>
>>> Both searches give about 9 results. Odd.
>>
>> Over the years I had various laptops. Never once a problem with XP on
>> them.
>>
>> The one I have now has "supported" Linux for years (or been supported)
>> and it doesn't work. Others I know with Linux report the same on both
>> laptop AND desktop. My desktop doesn't hibernate properly either.
>>
>> That combined with the links I have posted before and the general
>> concensus makes your metric VERY VERY poor indeed.
>>
>> It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not accept
>> that?
>
> Because you are lying, plain and simple

Heh. Ironic isn't it.

1] "It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not accept
that?"
"laptop suspend problems"+Windows
Results 1 - 10 of about 916 for "laptop suspend problems"+Window

And yet the M$ fanboi troll can't accept there is also a probelm with
Windoze.

2] " Never once a problem with XP on them."
Another "XP works for me" post from the Hadron M$ trollboi!

When a Linux user says they've had no problems, the troll screams "Liar" &
accuses them of "Works for me" posts.
As I said, ironic isn't it..

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Hadron · External Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 495

Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann DeleteThis @t-online.de> writes:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann DeleteThis @t-online.de> writes:
>>
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc DeleteThis @launchmodem.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> ceed pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:29:56 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark DeleteThis @gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the
>>>>>>>>> kernel guys are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make
>>>>>>>>> Linux perform better in that arena.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Problems are what gets documented. The thing is that for all the
>>>>>>>> people who do not have problems there are no documentation. So to
>>>>>>>> base it on how many reports a problem doesn't say much about how
>>>>>>>> severe the problem is statistically.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're slipping btw. The style is slipping through.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are right problems are documented. And they are documented
>>>>>>> very, very frequently for Linux based laptops/desktops for
>>>>>>> hibernate and suspend. It's no secret it doesnt work well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Google:
>>>>>
>>>>> "laptop suspend problems"+Linux
>>>>> Results 1 - 8 of 8 for "laptop suspend problems"+Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> "laptop suspend problems"+Windows
>>>>> Results 1 - 10 of about 916 for "laptop suspend problems"+Window
>>>>>
>>>>> Correcting by the bogus "market share" numbers, the two OS's would
>>>>> seem to be comparably problematic, based on this admittedly rather
>>>>> poor metric.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bing:
>>>>>
>>>>> Both searches give about 9 results. Odd.
>>>>
>>>> Over the years I had various laptops. Never once a problem with XP on
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> The one I have now has "supported" Linux for years (or been supported)
>>>> and it doesn't work. Others I know with Linux report the same on both
>>>> laptop AND desktop. My desktop doesn't hibernate properly either.
>>>>
>>>> That combined with the links I have posted before and the general
>>>> concensus makes your metric VERY VERY poor indeed.
>>>>
>>>> It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not
>>>> accept that?
>>>
>>> Because you are lying, plain and simple
>>
>> But I'm not lying Peter and you KNOW it.
>
> Quit telling me what "I know"
>
>> Why are you such a dishonest fool?
>
> Because I am not. YOu are
>
>> You were made to look an idiot recently with
>>
>> 1) Your claims that its ok to dereference a null pointer
>> 2) that Finale is not music composition SW.
>
> Even *if* that were true, that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic
> here

It is true and shows you are incapable of using Google.

>
>> to name but 2.
>
> Translation: You made your claims here up. Out of full cloth
>
>> I suggest you go and hide under a rock. Your input to ANY
>> technical subject is clearly worthless.
>
> Still nothing to support your claims

Except for the links.

>
>> Here's just for Ubuntu:-
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+hibernate+bug
>>
>> Haven't you got a uniform to press or someone to shout at?
>
> Now make the same query for windows. See?

Not the point. Windows installs on laptops outdo linux by about 400 to
one I would guess.

No one said it is PERFECT on windows. What has been said is that Linux
hibernate and suspend is inherently faulty.

The devs have acknowledged it. The distro makers have.

Only in COLA is it "perfect".

>
> Dishonest fool

William Poaster · External Since: Oct 30, 2009 Posts: 20

Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, ceed was heard to say:

> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:29:56 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ceed <cdposter-usenet.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:42:46 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is, of course, bullshit.
>>>
>>> Of course it's bullshit. I mean, you say it's bullshit so it has to be,
>>> hasn't it?
>>
>> No. Not because I say so. But because it is.
>
> Why don't people like you look in the mirror and see what others see?
> Amazing! Smile

The M$ fanboi daren't, it would shatter.

<snip troll drivel>

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William Poaster · External Since: Oct 30, 2009 Posts: 20

Above the wailing & moaning of the trolls, Peter Köhlmann was heard to
say:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann.DeleteThis@t-online.de> writes:
>>
>>> Hadron wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc.DeleteThis@launchmodem.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> ceed pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:29:56 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the
>>>>>>>>> kernel guys are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make
>>>>>>>>> Linux perform better in that arena.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Problems are what gets documented. The thing is that for all the
>>>>>>>> people who do not have problems there are no documentation. So to
>>>>>>>> base it on how many reports a problem doesn't say much about how
>>>>>>>> severe the problem is statistically.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're slipping btw. The style is slipping through.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are right problems are documented. And they are documented
>>>>>>> very, very frequently for Linux based laptops/desktops for
>>>>>>> hibernate and suspend. It's no secret it doesnt work well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Google:
>>>>>
>>>>> "laptop suspend problems"+Linux
>>>>> Results 1 - 8 of 8 for "laptop suspend problems"+Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> "laptop suspend problems"+Windows
>>>>> Results 1 - 10 of about 916 for "laptop suspend problems"+Window
>>>>>
>>>>> Correcting by the bogus "market share" numbers, the two OS's would
>>>>> seem to be comparably problematic, based on this admittedly rather
>>>>> poor metric.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bing:
>>>>>
>>>>> Both searches give about 9 results. Odd.
>>>>
>>>> Over the years I had various laptops. Never once a problem with XP on
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> The one I have now has "supported" Linux for years (or been supported)
>>>> and it doesn't work. Others I know with Linux report the same on both
>>>> laptop AND desktop. My desktop doesn't hibernate properly either.
>>>>
>>>> That combined with the links I have posted before and the general
>>>> concensus makes your metric VERY VERY poor indeed.
>>>>
>>>> It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not
>>>> accept that?
>>>
>>> Because you are lying, plain and simple
>>
>> But I'm not lying Peter and you KNOW it.
>
> Quit telling me what "I know"
>
>> Why are you such a dishonest fool?
>
> Because I am not. YOu are
>
>> You were made to look an idiot recently with
>>
>> 1) Your claims that its ok to dereference a null pointer
>> 2) that Finale is not music composition SW.
>
> Even *if* that were true, that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic
> here
>
>> to name but 2.
>
> Translation: You made your claims here up. Out of full cloth
>
>> I suggest you go and hide under a rock. Your input to ANY
>> technical subject is clearly worthless.

This coming from a troll who thought "Sax2" & "nvidia-settings" were
drivers!

> Still nothing to support your claims

As usual.

>> Here's just for Ubuntu:-
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+hibernate+bug
>>
>> Haven't you got a uniform to press or someone to shout at?
>
> Now make the same query for windows. See?

Here's a start for the M$ fanboi:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=windows+hibernate+error&revid=170...5988&ei

http://tinyurl.com/yan828w

His beloved XP!
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=windows+xp+hibernation+problem&re...=134247

http://tinyurl.com/yaw6ge5

Windows *cannot* hibernate:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=windows+cannot+hibernate&revid=13...70060&e

http://tinyurl.com/ye587zv

> Dishonest fool

Well he's a self-admitted troll, you expect him to be honest?

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Hadron · External Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 495

ceed <cdposter-usenet.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:29:55 -0600, Chris Ahlstrom
> <ahlstromc.TakeThisOut@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Google:
>>
>> "laptop suspend problems"+Linux
>> Results 1 - 8 of 8 for "laptop suspend problems"+Linux.
>>
>> "laptop suspend problems"+Windows
>> Results 1 - 10 of about 916 for "laptop suspend problems"+Window
>>
>> Correcting by the bogus "market share" numbers, the two OS's would seem
>> to be comparably problematic, based on this admittedly rather poor
>> metric.
>>
>> Bing:
>>
>> Both searches give about 9 results. Odd.
>>
> Good point. And all the people who do not have problems aren't represented
> in any search. No one installs an OS and then goes on to post on the
> Internet: "It works" (unless they are advocates, but there's not many of
> those around here anyway.... Smile

What part of the fact that the Linux devs themselves have been working
to a working solution confuses you?

This is quite unbelievable.

Hadron · External Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 495

ceed <cdposter-usenet DeleteThis @yahoo.com> writes:

> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:25:33 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Over the years I had various laptops. Never once a problem with XP on
>> them.
>
> Lucky you!
>>
>> The one I have now has "supported" Linux for years (or been supported)
>> and it doesn't work. Others I know with Linux report the same on both
>> laptop AND desktop. My desktop doesn't hibernate properly either.
>
> Not so lucky with Linux then. Too bad.
>>
>> That combined with the links I have posted before and the general
>> concensus makes your metric VERY VERY poor indeed.
>
> I hear you, but that's about it.
>>
>> It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not accept
>> that?
>>
> So I should accept having problems with something I do not have a problem
> with? That I do not know anyone who has a major problem with? Well, I

Huh? I didn't ask YOU to accept YOU have problems.

Have IQs suddenly dropped yet further around here?

All SW has problems.

ONE of the areas with a LOT of issues is the Linux implementation of
suspend/resume/hibernate etc. It is an acknowledged issue. I have posted
a link linking to how the major distros are moving to a newly engineered
solution.

Quite what is confusing you here?

Hadron · External Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 495

ceed <cdposter-usenet.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:32:48 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ceed <cdposter-usenet.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:25:33 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Over the years I had various laptops. Never once a problem with XP on
>>>> them.
>>>
>>> Lucky you!
>>>>
>>>> The one I have now has "supported" Linux for years (or been supported)
>>>> and it doesn't work. Others I know with Linux report the same on both
>>>> laptop AND desktop. My desktop doesn't hibernate properly either.
>>>
>>> Not so lucky with Linux then. Too bad.
>>>>
>>>> That combined with the links I have posted before and the general
>>>> concensus makes your metric VERY VERY poor indeed.
>>>
>>> I hear you, but that's about it.
>>>>
>>>> It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not accept
>>>> that?
>>>>
>>> So I should accept having problems with something I do not have a
>>> problem
>>> with? That I do not know anyone who has a major problem with? Well, I
>>
>> Huh? I didn't ask YOU to accept YOU have problems.
>
> I didn't think you did. I was commenting on the dialog. This isn't IM, is
> it?

Yes you did. And I quote:

,----
| >>> So I should accept having problems with something I do not have a
| >>> problem
| >>> with?
`----

JEDIDIAH · External Since: Sep 24, 2004 Posts: 1069

On 2009-11-06, Hadron <hadronquark RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc RemoveThis @launchmodem.com> writes:
>
>> ceed pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:29:56 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel guys
>>>>>> are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux perform
>>>>>> better in that arena.
>>>>>
>>>>> Problems are what gets documented. The thing is that for all the people
>>>>> who do not have problems there are no documentation. So to base it on
>>>>> how many reports a problem doesn't say much about how severe the problem
>>>>> is statistically.
>>>>
>>>> You're slipping btw. The style is slipping through.
>>>>
>>>> You are right problems are documented. And they are documented very,
>>>> very frequently for Linux based laptops/desktops for hibernate and
>>>> suspend. It's no secret it doesnt work well.
>>
>> Google:
>>
>> "laptop suspend problems"+Linux
>> Results 1 - 8 of 8 for "laptop suspend problems"+Linux.
>>
>> "laptop suspend problems"+Windows
>> Results 1 - 10 of about 916 for "laptop suspend problems"+Window
>>
>> Correcting by the bogus "market share" numbers, the two OS's would seem
>> to be comparably problematic, based on this admittedly rather poor metric.
>>
>> Bing:
>>
>> Both searches give about 9 results. Odd.
>
> Over the years I had various laptops. Never once a problem with XP on
> them.

....OTOH, I have a Dell right here right now that has suspend issues.

Our last generation of laptops wasn't too terribly good either. Sure
it "worked" but it was so slow that you might as well have just shut
the machine down and restarted it.

[deletia]

1 completely broken laptop from Vendor A (newish hardware)
2 not broken but not useful either latpops from Vendor B (older hardware)

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John Fuhrer · External Since: Nov 03, 2009 Posts: 76

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:25:33 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc.DeleteThis@launchmodem.com> writes:
>
>> ceed pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:29:56 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel guys
>>>>>> are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux perform
>>>>>> better in that arena.
>>>>>
>>>>> Problems are what gets documented. The thing is that for all the people
>>>>> who do not have problems there are no documentation. So to base it on
>>>>> how many reports a problem doesn't say much about how severe the problem
>>>>> is statistically.
>>>>
>>>> You're slipping btw. The style is slipping through.
>>>>
>>>> You are right problems are documented. And they are documented very,
>>>> very frequently for Linux based laptops/desktops for hibernate and
>>>> suspend. It's no secret it doesnt work well.
>>
>> Google:
>>
>> "laptop suspend problems"+Linux
>> Results 1 - 8 of 8 for "laptop suspend problems"+Linux.
>>
>> "laptop suspend problems"+Windows
>> Results 1 - 10 of about 916 for "laptop suspend problems"+Window
>>
>> Correcting by the bogus "market share" numbers, the two OS's would seem
>> to be comparably problematic, based on this admittedly rather poor metric.
>>
>> Bing:
>>
>> Both searches give about 9 results. Odd.
>
> Over the years I had various laptops. Never once a problem with XP on
> them.
>
> The one I have now has "supported" Linux for years (or been supported)
> and it doesn't work. Others I know with Linux report the same on both
> laptop AND desktop. My desktop doesn't hibernate properly either.
>
> That combined with the links I have posted before and the general
> concensus makes your metric VERY VERY poor indeed.
>
> It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not accept
> that?

For the same reason he can't accept that Finale is used as composition
software.

He's an idiot.

Anyone with even a small amount of Linux experience knows full well that
suspend/hibernate is one of the biggest problems that Linux has.

Only complete liars would claim otherwise.

I see they are circling the wagons again.

Chris Ahlstrom · External Since: Jan 08, 2009 Posts: 484

ceed pulled this Usenet boner:

> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:09:24 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> For Freudian reasons I suppose. I should include OS X as well,
>>> shouldn't I?
>> Why?
>
> Because my point is that power management is a problem on all OSs at
> times. Not only Linux and Windows. It's fun to poke at Windows though.
> It's just like poking a balloon, it pops! Smile

Poking at Queeg is like popping a zit.

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Hadron · External Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 495

ceed <cdposter-usenet.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:28:16 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ceed <cdposter-usenet.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:29:55 -0600, Chris Ahlstrom
>>> <ahlstromc.TakeThisOut@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Google:
>>>>
>>>> "laptop suspend problems"+Linux
>>>> Results 1 - 8 of 8 for "laptop suspend problems"+Linux.
>>>>
>>>> "laptop suspend problems"+Windows
>>>> Results 1 - 10 of about 916 for "laptop suspend problems"+Window
>>>>
>>>> Correcting by the bogus "market share" numbers, the two OS's would seem
>>>> to be comparably problematic, based on this admittedly rather poor
>>>> metric.
>>>>
>>>> Bing:
>>>>
>>>> Both searches give about 9 results. Odd.
>>>>
>>> Good point. And all the people who do not have problems aren't
>>> represented
>>> in any search. No one installs an OS and then goes on to post on the
>>> Internet: "It works" (unless they are advocates, but there's not many of
>>> those around here anyway.... Smile

>>
>> What part of the fact that the Linux devs themselves have been working
>> to a working solution confuses you?
>
> I am not confused that linux devs are trying to improve power management
> in Linux so less peope will have problems and longer battery
> life. Windows
> devs are doing the same thing I would assume although it's not always the
> case with that crowd. However, they did a good job on Win 7 in this area I
> hear.

Why do you keep talking about Windows?

>>
>> This is quite unbelievable.
>
> Yea, sure is.

So know you DO acknowledge that there is a general problem with linux
suspend/hibernate or not? There is. It is well known. It is
documented. It is being addressed.

While there ARE (of course) issues with Windows it is not where near as
prevalent as in Linux.

Hadron · External Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 495

ceed <cdposter-usenet RemoveThis @yahoo.com> writes:

> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:52:51 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not
>>>>>> accept
>>>>>> that?
>>>>>>
>>>>> So I should accept having problems with something I do not have a
>>>>> problem
>>>>> with? That I do not know anyone who has a major problem with? Well, I
>>>>
>>>> Huh? I didn't ask YOU to accept YOU have problems.
>>>
>>> I didn't think you did. I was commenting on the dialog. This isn't IM,
>>> is
>>> it?
>
> That's a valid hypothetical question. Heard of those?

err, whatever. Word games now.

Look you made the statement :

,----
| >>>>> So I should accept having problems with something I do not have a
| >>>>> problem
| >>>>> with? That I do not know anyone who has a major problem with? Well, I
`----

Not me. You. And there is only one reading of that.

And as I said : I did NOT expect you to accept YOU having problems YOU
DO NOT HAVE. I expect you to read the links and accept that many others
do and its being addressed by the devs AND the main distro makers.

Besides that : more likely a rhetorical one anyway.

Hadron · External Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 495

ceed <cdposter-usenet.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> writes:

> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:54:35 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> I am not confused that linux devs are trying to improve power management
>>> in Linux so less peope will have problems and longer battery
>>> life. Windows
>>> devs are doing the same thing I would assume although it's not always
>>> the
>>> case with that crowd. However, they did a good job on Win 7 in this
>>> area I
>>> hear.
>> Why do you keep talking about Windows?
>
> For Freudian reasons I suppose. I should include OS X as well,
> shouldn't I?

Why?

>>
>>>>
>>>> This is quite unbelievable.
>>>
>>> Yea, sure is.
>> So know you DO acknowledge that there is a general problem with linux
>> suspend/hibernate or not? There is. It is well known. It is
>> documented. It is being addressed.
>> While there ARE (of course) issues with Windows it is not where near as
>> prevalent as in Linux.
>
> It's not a "general problem" with Linux. It's a problem some people have
> on Linux or whatever OS they choose to use (see, I didn't mention Windows!
> Smile

It IS a general problem with Linux.

John Fuhrer · External Since: Nov 03, 2009 Posts: 76

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:00:41 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> ceed pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:09:24 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> For Freudian reasons I suppose. I should include OS X as well,
>>>> shouldn't I?
>>> Why?
>>
>> Because my point is that power management is a problem on all OSs at
>> times. Not only Linux and Windows. It's fun to poke at Windows though.
>> It's just like poking a balloon, it pops! Smile

>
> Poking at Queeg is like popping a zit.

You should have out grown those by now Liarmutt.
Maybe Spamowitz will toss you a tube of Clearasil or something.

ceed · External Since: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 34

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:00:03 -0600, John Fuhrer
<fuhrer_spam_no_joh RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

>>
>> It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not accept
>> that?
>
> For the same reason he can't accept that Finale is used as composition
> software.
>
> He's an idiot.

Always a valid point: "He's an idiot". Sure.
>
> Anyone with even a small amount of Linux experience knows full well that
> suspend/hibernate is one of the biggest problems that Linux has.
>
I do not think I lack Linux experience. Hibernate used to be a problem
when you couldn't hibernate using a Linux file system. Since that changed
it has worked for me and most of the Linux users I know.

> Only complete liars would claim otherwise.

Right, right, right. That's what complete liars would claim. Good point!
>
> I see they are circling the wagons again.

The wagon you seem to have fallen off recently? Smile

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ceed · External Since: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 34

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:14:01 -0600, Eddie Carter <ecarter.RemoveThis@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> JEDIDIAH pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>>> On 2009-11-06, Hadron <hadronquark.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-laptop@lists.debian.org/msg51570..html
>> Gee, a dead link. "Loading..." <spin spin spin spin...> "Page Load
>> Error"
>> What a surprise.
>>
>
>
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-laptop@lists.debian.org/msg51570.html
>
> debian-laptop
>
> * left arrow Thread right arrow
> * left arrow Date right arrow
> *
>
> Linux laptop Suspend / Hibernation development
>
> T o n g
> Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:28:07 -0700
>
> Thanks Stefan for your reply.
>
> To answer my own question, here is what I discovered about suspend /
> hibernation evolvement in Linux laptop world.
>
> - the traditional tools are uswsusp + hibernate (s2ram/s2disk &
> hibernate-
> ram/hibernate-disk)
>
> - pm-utils is the new suspend and powerstate setting framework. It is
> designed to replace such scripts as those provided by the powersave
> package. [1]
>
> - The latest development is, however, DeviceKit. Both Ubuntu & Fedora are
> moving towards DeviceKit. [2], [3]
>
> 1. http://www.archlinux.it/wiki/index.php?title=Pm-utils
> 2. http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha6
> 3. http://ostatic.com/blog/a-peek-at-devicekit-in-fedora-11-and-beyond
>
> So far, Debian seems to be lagging behind such evolvement -- I don't see
> devicekit in Debian repo yet.
>
> cheers
>
Good to see that problems which aren't even major, and mostly troubling
laptop users gets attention from the Linux devs.

> On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:13:15 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>
> >> Anyone know a good web page that covers setting up suspend /
> >> hibernation under Debian?
> >
> > I usually install uswsusp (which provides s2ram and s2disk), as well
> as
> > `hibernate' which provides a wrapper script around these (which knows
> to
> > unload some conflicting modules and things like that
>

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Chris Ahlstrom · External Since: Jan 08, 2009 Posts: 484

ceed pulled this Usenet boner:

> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:14:01 -0600, Eddie Carter <ecarter.RemoveThis@invalid.invalid>
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-laptop@lists.debian.org/msg51570.html
>>> Gee, a dead link. "Loading..." <spin spin spin spin...> "Page Load
>>> Error" What a surprise.
>>
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-laptop@lists.debian.org/msg51570.html

Ahh, thanks, and the link works now.

>> - The latest development is, however, DeviceKit. Both Ubuntu & Fedora are
>> moving towards DeviceKit. [2], [3]
>>
>> 1. http://www.archlinux.it/wiki/index.php?title=Pm-utils
>> 2. http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha6
>> 3. http://ostatic.com/blog/a-peek-at-devicekit-in-fedora-11-and-beyond
>>
>> So far, Debian seems to be lagging behind such evolvement -- I don't see
>> devicekit in Debian repo yet.
>>
> Good to see that problems which aren't even major, and mostly troubling
> laptop users gets attention from the Linux devs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeviceKit

In May 2008, HAL developer David Zeuthen announced his intention to
deprecate HAL, mainly because its complexity and redundancy with other
libraries in the Linux environment. [2] The only missing part in those
libraries would be a centralized service to enumerate existing devices,
signal adding/removal of devices and merging and classifying available
hardware information in one point. DeviceKit is the new library providing
those services, while the hardware is supposed to be accessed through
other libraries instead of HAL or DeviceKit.

So it looks more like an evolution than a revolution.

HAL ---> DeviceKit + udev

I take back my sneering at Hadron on this one, in spite of his
exaggerations, since the link does now work, and says somewhat what that
braying arse claimed.

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A: Moby Pickle.

John Fuhrer · External Since: Nov 03, 2009 Posts: 76

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 12:15:54 -0600, ceed wrote:

> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:00:03 -0600, John Fuhrer
> <fuhrer_spam_no_joh.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not accept
>>> that?
>>
>> For the same reason he can't accept that Finale is used as composition
>> software.
>>
>> He's an idiot.
>
> Always a valid point: "He's an idiot". Sure.

You haven't been around here much, but "idiot" is one of Peter Kohlmnann's
favorite words.

BTW what would *you* call a person who continuously is arguing that Finale
is not music composition software, when on Finale's home page it clearly
states that it is?