What's up with this boot time focus?

ceed · External Since: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 34

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:29:56 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> ceed <cdposter-usenet RemoveThis @yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:42:46 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark RemoveThis @gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is, of course, bullshit.
>>
>> Of course it's bullshit. I mean, you say it's bullshit so it has to be,
>> hasn't it?
>
> No. Not because I say so. But because it is.

Why don't people like you look in the mirror and see what others see?
Amazing! Smile

>
>
>>>
>>> It does not work on ALL laptops (what does) but do you expect anyone
>>> with half a clue to believe laptops that ship with Windows do not or
>>> are
>>> not expected to hibernat/suspend properly?
>>
>> They are expected to, but quite often they don't.
>
> No. Not "quite often". Very, very rarely. And you know it.
>
>
>>>
>>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel guys
>>> are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux perform
>>> better in that arena.
>>
>> Problems are what gets documented. The thing is that for all the people
>> who do not have problems there are no documentation. So to base it on
>> how
>> many reports a problem doesn't say much about how severe the problem is
>> statistically.
>
> You're slipping btw. The style is slipping through.
>
> You are right problems are documented. And they are documented very,
> very frequently for Linux based laptops/desktops for hibernate and
> suspend. It's no secret it doesnt work well.

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ceed · External Since: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 34

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:37:32 -0600, John Fuhrer
<fuhrer_spam_no_joh.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:29:56 +0100, Hadron wrote:
>
>> ceed <cdposter-usenet.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:42:46 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is, of course, bullshit.
>>>
>>> Of course it's bullshit. I mean, you say it's bullshit so it has to be,
>>> hasn't it?
>>
>> No. Not because I say so. But because it is.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> It does not work on ALL laptops (what does) but do you expect anyone
>>>> with half a clue to believe laptops that ship with Windows do not or
>>>> are
>>>> not expected to hibernat/suspend properly?
>>>
>>> They are expected to, but quite often they don't.
>>
>> No. Not "quite often". Very, very rarely. And you know it.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel
>>>> guys
>>>> are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux perform
>>>> better in that arena.
>>>
>>> Problems are what gets documented. The thing is that for all the people
>>> who do not have problems there are no documentation. So to base it on
>>> how
>>> many reports a problem doesn't say much about how severe the problem is
>>> statistically.
>>
>> You're slipping btw. The style is slipping through.
>
> Snicker Smile

Yeah, that's snickerworthy Smile

At least he admits I have style. How can it
be slipping if I didn't have it initially?
>
>> You are right problems are documented. And they are documented very,
>> very frequently for Linux based laptops/desktops for hibernate and
>> suspend. It's no secret it doesnt work well.
>
> It's a train wreck.

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Clogwog · External Since: Jan 09, 2009 Posts: 34

"Snit" <usenet.RemoveThis@gallopinginsanity.com> schreef in bericht
news:C718B064.524E0%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com...
> Peter Köhlmann stated in post hcvlvv$fk9$03$1@news.t-online.com on 11/5/09
> 4:09 PM:
>
>> Glasser
>
> You sure obsess over me a lot.
>
Because he's frustrated that in *any* conversation with you and others,
Kohltard has to slink away, because he makes an a$$ of himself.
This guy has a huge mental problem. He likes it to get spanked. He has a
history of self nukes in a.os.w-xp, for instance. He got so frustrated that
he posted OE crash code in his messages for years, even though this was
easily fixed. Since then he is called "Peter Kohlmann (retard) the Usenet
Nazi", that is what he still is.
--
"The Peter Köhlmann liar
Peter Köhlmann is a fake pretend German who serves no purpose at all. The
only one possibly more worthless than this foul mouthed twit would be the
Willy Boaster moron. This Köhlmann liar has never posted anything worth
reading about computers, software, linux or otherwise. The only reason he
posts at all is to call other posters who do talk about computers and
software "morons, liars, trolls and scum."

This Köhlmann idiot is stupid enough to make broad sweeping statements about
how all "Windoze users" or all "Mak users" are idiots, morons, uneducated
and etc. Quite ironic isn't it - a loser like Köhlmann makes an uneducated
statement about how all people who use an OS different from his are
uneducated. This is something that a child with an 8th grade education would
be smart enough not to say.

Köhlmann claims to be an expert in "anti-aliasing", "swap-files" and
hyperlinks that conform to standards. Although he has proven on several
occasions that he knows less than nothing about these topics - he knows
wrong and inaccurate information. He is too stupid to follow a simple link
and even stated that he will not read a link that proves his pathetic
arguments wrong."
http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/

chrisv · External Since: Nov 02, 2004 Posts: 1797

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>"Hadron" apparently doesn't realize just how good and stable and functional
>Linux is, even without the support of vendors in the quasi-racketeering
>consumer desktop market.
>
>Linux (and Free Software in general) is a cultural and technical *marvel*.
>
>That just makes "Hadron" choke on his own, patent, manifest, and utterly
>*obvious" anti-Linux bile.

It's been a long time since the Larry has really made an effort to
hide his burning hatred for Linux and FOSS. (The occasional lame "I
like Linux" doesn't really count as an effort.)

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"True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

chrisv · External Since: Nov 02, 2004 Posts: 1797

JEDIDIAH wrote:

> Quack snotted:
>>
>> ANYONE who uses Linux knows there are issues with suspend and hibernate
>> in LOADS of cases. To deny it is simply bullshit.
>
>...and who are we going to trust for such a proclamation? A Lemming like you?

s/Lemming/liar/

Chris Ahlstrom · External Since: Jan 08, 2009 Posts: 484

ceed pulled this Usenet boner:

> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:29:56 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel guys
>>>> are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux perform
>>>> better in that arena.
>>>
>>> Problems are what gets documented. The thing is that for all the people
>>> who do not have problems there are no documentation. So to base it on
>>> how many reports a problem doesn't say much about how severe the problem
>>> is statistically.
>>
>> You're slipping btw. The style is slipping through.
>>
>> You are right problems are documented. And they are documented very,
>> very frequently for Linux based laptops/desktops for hibernate and
>> suspend. It's no secret it doesnt work well.

Google:

"laptop suspend problems"+Linux
Results 1 - 8 of 8 for "laptop suspend problems"+Linux.

"laptop suspend problems"+Windows
Results 1 - 10 of about 916 for "laptop suspend problems"+Window

Correcting by the bogus "market share" numbers, the two OS's would seem
to be comparably problematic, based on this admittedly rather poor metric.

Bing:

Both searches give about 9 results. Odd.

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-- William Shakespeare, "Twelfth-Night"

Sinister Midget · External Since: Jan 09, 2009 Posts: 73

On 2009-11-06, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc RemoveThis @launchmodem.com> claimed:

> Google:
>
> "laptop suspend problems"+Linux
> Results 1 - 8 of 8 for "laptop suspend problems"+Linux.
>
> "laptop suspend problems"+Windows
> Results 1 - 10 of about 916 for "laptop suspend problems"+Window
>
> Correcting by the bogus "market share" numbers, the two OS's would seem
> to be comparably problematic, based on this admittedly rather poor metric.
>
> Bing:
>
> Both searches give about 9 results. Odd.

They have to "sanitize" any results concerning Windwoes, particularly
if it deals with problems with Winders. The one of the primary reasons
Bung exists.

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Eddie Carter · External Since: Oct 14, 2009 Posts: 6

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> JEDIDIAH pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> On 2009-11-06, Hadron <hadronquark DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-laptop@lists.debian.org/msg51570.html
>
> Gee, a dead link. "Loading..." <spin spin spin spin...> "Page Load Error"
>
> What a surprise.
>

http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-laptop@lists.debian.org/msg51570.html

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Linux laptop Suspend / Hibernation development

T o n g
Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:28:07 -0700

Thanks Stefan for your reply.

To answer my own question, here is what I discovered about suspend /
hibernation evolvement in Linux laptop world.

- the traditional tools are uswsusp + hibernate (s2ram/s2disk & hibernate-
ram/hibernate-disk)

- pm-utils is the new suspend and powerstate setting framework. It is
designed to replace such scripts as those provided by the powersave
package. [1]

- The latest development is, however, DeviceKit. Both Ubuntu & Fedora are
moving towards DeviceKit. [2], [3]

1. http://www.archlinux.it/wiki/index.php?title=Pm-utils
2. http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha6
3. http://ostatic.com/blog/a-peek-at-devicekit-in-fedora-11-and-beyond

So far, Debian seems to be lagging behind such evolvement -- I don't see
devicekit in Debian repo yet.

cheers

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:13:15 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:

>> Anyone know a good web page that covers setting up suspend /
>> hibernation under Debian?
>
> I usually install uswsusp (which provides s2ram and s2disk), as well as
> `hibernate' which provides a wrapper script around these (which knows to
> unload some conflicting modules and things like that

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ceed · External Since: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 34

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:29:55 -0600, Chris Ahlstrom
<ahlstromc RemoveThis @launchmodem.com> wrote:

>
> Google:
>
> "laptop suspend problems"+Linux
> Results 1 - 8 of 8 for "laptop suspend problems"+Linux.
>
> "laptop suspend problems"+Windows
> Results 1 - 10 of about 916 for "laptop suspend problems"+Window
>
> Correcting by the bogus "market share" numbers, the two OS's would seem
> to be comparably problematic, based on this admittedly rather poor
> metric.
>
> Bing:
>
> Both searches give about 9 results. Odd.
>
Good point. And all the people who do not have problems aren't represented
in any search. No one installs an OS and then goes on to post on the
Internet: "It works" (unless they are advocates, but there's not many of
those around here anyway.... Smile

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ceed · External Since: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 34

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:25:33 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Over the years I had various laptops. Never once a problem with XP on
> them.

Lucky you!
>
> The one I have now has "supported" Linux for years (or been supported)
> and it doesn't work. Others I know with Linux report the same on both
> laptop AND desktop. My desktop doesn't hibernate properly either.

Not so lucky with Linux then. Too bad.
>
> That combined with the links I have posted before and the general
> concensus makes your metric VERY VERY poor indeed.

I hear you, but that's about it.
>
> It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not accept
> that?
>
So I should accept having problems with something I do not have a problem
with? That I do not know anyone who has a major problem with? Well, I
would be called a liar regardless of what I say, so I guess I can pick my
poison Smile

Bottom line is that both Windows users (except for Hadron) and
Linux users (except for ceed) may have problems with power management in
their OS. Simple and true.

If we were discussing wireless connectivity on the other hand, I would
admit having noticed serious problems at times, more often with Linux than
with Windows. But then again, I could take some of the time I saved by not
having to deal with BSOD's getting my wireless to work. I did.

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ceed · External Since: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 34

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:32:48 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> ceed <cdposter-usenet.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:25:33 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.RemoveThis@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Over the years I had various laptops. Never once a problem with XP on
>>> them.
>>
>> Lucky you!
>>>
>>> The one I have now has "supported" Linux for years (or been supported)
>>> and it doesn't work. Others I know with Linux report the same on both
>>> laptop AND desktop. My desktop doesn't hibernate properly either.
>>
>> Not so lucky with Linux then. Too bad.
>>>
>>> That combined with the links I have posted before and the general
>>> concensus makes your metric VERY VERY poor indeed.
>>
>> I hear you, but that's about it.
>>>
>>> It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not accept
>>> that?
>>>
>> So I should accept having problems with something I do not have a
>> problem
>> with? That I do not know anyone who has a major problem with? Well, I
>
> Huh? I didn't ask YOU to accept YOU have problems.

I didn't think you did. I was commenting on the dialog. This isn't IM, is
it?
>
> Have IQs suddenly dropped yet further around here?

Yes, it's a bit lower in the morning. I get better later, so watch out! Smile

>
> All SW has problems.

Amen to that.
>
> ONE of the areas with a LOT of issues is the Linux implementation of
> suspend/resume/hibernate etc. It is an acknowledged issue. I have posted
> a link linking to how the major distros are moving to a newly engineered
> solution.

I'm pretty sure the ones having the problems will have to acknowledge
them, yes. I would if I had them.
>
> Quite what is confusing you here?

If I knew I wouldn't be confused, would I? Smile

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ceed · External Since: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 34

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:28:16 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> ceed <cdposter-usenet.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:29:55 -0600, Chris Ahlstrom
>> <ahlstromc.DeleteThis@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Google:
>>>
>>> "laptop suspend problems"+Linux
>>> Results 1 - 8 of 8 for "laptop suspend problems"+Linux.
>>>
>>> "laptop suspend problems"+Windows
>>> Results 1 - 10 of about 916 for "laptop suspend problems"+Window
>>>
>>> Correcting by the bogus "market share" numbers, the two OS's would seem
>>> to be comparably problematic, based on this admittedly rather poor
>>> metric.
>>>
>>> Bing:
>>>
>>> Both searches give about 9 results. Odd.
>>>
>> Good point. And all the people who do not have problems aren't
>> represented
>> in any search. No one installs an OS and then goes on to post on the
>> Internet: "It works" (unless they are advocates, but there's not many of
>> those around here anyway.... Smile

>
> What part of the fact that the Linux devs themselves have been working
> to a working solution confuses you?

I am not confused that linux devs are trying to improve power management
in Linux so less peope will have problems and longer battery life. Windows
devs are doing the same thing I would assume although it's not always the
case with that crowd. However, they did a good job on Win 7 in this area I
hear.
>
> This is quite unbelievable.

Yea, sure is.

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ceed · External Since: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 34

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:52:51 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not
>>>>> accept
>>>>> that?
>>>>>
>>>> So I should accept having problems with something I do not have a
>>>> problem
>>>> with? That I do not know anyone who has a major problem with? Well, I
>>>
>>> Huh? I didn't ask YOU to accept YOU have problems.
>>
>> I didn't think you did. I was commenting on the dialog. This isn't IM,
>> is
>> it?

That's a valid hypothetical question. Heard of those?

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ceed · External Since: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 34

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 09:54:35 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>> I am not confused that linux devs are trying to improve power management
>> in Linux so less peope will have problems and longer battery
>> life. Windows
>> devs are doing the same thing I would assume although it's not always
>> the
>> case with that crowd. However, they did a good job on Win 7 in this
>> area I
>> hear.
> Why do you keep talking about Windows?

For Freudian reasons I suppose. I should include OS X as well, shouldn't I?
>
>>>
>>> This is quite unbelievable.
>>
>> Yea, sure is.
> So know you DO acknowledge that there is a general problem with linux
> suspend/hibernate or not? There is. It is well known. It is
> documented. It is being addressed.
> While there ARE (of course) issues with Windows it is not where near as
> prevalent as in Linux.

It's not a "general problem" with Linux. It's a problem some people have
on Linux or whatever OS they choose to use (see, I didn't mention Windows!
Smile

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Hadron · External Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 495

Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc.TakeThisOut@launchmodem.com> writes:

> ceed pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:29:56 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel guys
>>>>> are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux perform
>>>>> better in that arena.
>>>>
>>>> Problems are what gets documented. The thing is that for all the people
>>>> who do not have problems there are no documentation. So to base it on
>>>> how many reports a problem doesn't say much about how severe the problem
>>>> is statistically.
>>>
>>> You're slipping btw. The style is slipping through.
>>>
>>> You are right problems are documented. And they are documented very,
>>> very frequently for Linux based laptops/desktops for hibernate and
>>> suspend. It's no secret it doesnt work well.
>
> Google:
>
> "laptop suspend problems"+Linux
> Results 1 - 8 of 8 for "laptop suspend problems"+Linux.
>
> "laptop suspend problems"+Windows
> Results 1 - 10 of about 916 for "laptop suspend problems"+Window
>
> Correcting by the bogus "market share" numbers, the two OS's would seem
> to be comparably problematic, based on this admittedly rather poor metric.
>
> Bing:
>
> Both searches give about 9 results. Odd.

Over the years I had various laptops. Never once a problem with XP on
them.

The one I have now has "supported" Linux for years (or been supported)
and it doesn't work. Others I know with Linux report the same on both
laptop AND desktop. My desktop doesn't hibernate properly either.

That combined with the links I have posted before and the general
concensus makes your metric VERY VERY poor indeed.

It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not accept
that?

Peter KÃ¶hlmann · External Since: Mar 11, 2009 Posts: 60

Hadron wrote:

> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc.TakeThisOut@launchmodem.com> writes:
>
>> ceed pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:29:56 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel
>>>>>> guys are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux
>>>>>> perform better in that arena.
>>>>>
>>>>> Problems are what gets documented. The thing is that for all the
>>>>> people who do not have problems there are no documentation. So to
>>>>> base it on how many reports a problem doesn't say much about how
>>>>> severe the problem is statistically.
>>>>
>>>> You're slipping btw. The style is slipping through.
>>>>
>>>> You are right problems are documented. And they are documented very,
>>>> very frequently for Linux based laptops/desktops for hibernate and
>>>> suspend. It's no secret it doesnt work well.
>>
>> Google:
>>
>> "laptop suspend problems"+Linux
>> Results 1 - 8 of 8 for "laptop suspend problems"+Linux.
>>
>> "laptop suspend problems"+Windows
>> Results 1 - 10 of about 916 for "laptop suspend problems"+Window
>>
>> Correcting by the bogus "market share" numbers, the two OS's would seem
>> to be comparably problematic, based on this admittedly rather poor
>> metric.
>>
>> Bing:
>>
>> Both searches give about 9 results. Odd.
>
> Over the years I had various laptops. Never once a problem with XP on
> them.
>
> The one I have now has "supported" Linux for years (or been supported)
> and it doesn't work. Others I know with Linux report the same on both
> laptop AND desktop. My desktop doesn't hibernate properly either.
>
> That combined with the links I have posted before and the general
> concensus makes your metric VERY VERY poor indeed.
>
> It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not accept
> that?

Because you are lying, plain and simple
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Hadron · External Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 495

Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann.DeleteThis@t-online.de> writes:

> Hadron wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc.DeleteThis@launchmodem.com> writes:
>>
>>> ceed pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:29:56 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.DeleteThis@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel
>>>>>>> guys are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux
>>>>>>> perform better in that arena.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Problems are what gets documented. The thing is that for all the
>>>>>> people who do not have problems there are no documentation. So to
>>>>>> base it on how many reports a problem doesn't say much about how
>>>>>> severe the problem is statistically.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're slipping btw. The style is slipping through.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are right problems are documented. And they are documented very,
>>>>> very frequently for Linux based laptops/desktops for hibernate and
>>>>> suspend. It's no secret it doesnt work well.
>>>
>>> Google:
>>>
>>> "laptop suspend problems"+Linux
>>> Results 1 - 8 of 8 for "laptop suspend problems"+Linux.
>>>
>>> "laptop suspend problems"+Windows
>>> Results 1 - 10 of about 916 for "laptop suspend problems"+Window
>>>
>>> Correcting by the bogus "market share" numbers, the two OS's would seem
>>> to be comparably problematic, based on this admittedly rather poor
>>> metric.
>>>
>>> Bing:
>>>
>>> Both searches give about 9 results. Odd.
>>
>> Over the years I had various laptops. Never once a problem with XP on
>> them.
>>
>> The one I have now has "supported" Linux for years (or been supported)
>> and it doesn't work. Others I know with Linux report the same on both
>> laptop AND desktop. My desktop doesn't hibernate properly either.
>>
>> That combined with the links I have posted before and the general
>> concensus makes your metric VERY VERY poor indeed.
>>
>> It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not accept
>> that?
>
> Because you are lying, plain and simple

But I'm not lying Peter and you KNOW it.

Why are you such a dishonest fool?

You were made to look an idiot recently with

1) Your claims that its ok to dereference a null pointer
2) that Finale is not music composition SW.

to name but 2. I suggest you go and hide under a rock. Your input to ANY
technical subject is clearly worthless.

Here's just for Ubuntu:-

http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+hibernate+bug

Haven't you got a uniform to press or someone to shout at?

Peter Köhlmann · External Since: Mar 11, 2009 Posts: 43

Hadron wrote:

> Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann.TakeThisOut@t-online.de> writes:
>
>> Hadron wrote:
>>
>>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc.TakeThisOut@launchmodem.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> ceed pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:29:56 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the
>>>>>>>> kernel guys are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make
>>>>>>>> Linux perform better in that arena.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Problems are what gets documented. The thing is that for all the
>>>>>>> people who do not have problems there are no documentation. So to
>>>>>>> base it on how many reports a problem doesn't say much about how
>>>>>>> severe the problem is statistically.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're slipping btw. The style is slipping through.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are right problems are documented. And they are documented
>>>>>> very, very frequently for Linux based laptops/desktops for
>>>>>> hibernate and suspend. It's no secret it doesnt work well.
>>>>
>>>> Google:
>>>>
>>>> "laptop suspend problems"+Linux
>>>> Results 1 - 8 of 8 for "laptop suspend problems"+Linux.
>>>>
>>>> "laptop suspend problems"+Windows
>>>> Results 1 - 10 of about 916 for "laptop suspend problems"+Window
>>>>
>>>> Correcting by the bogus "market share" numbers, the two OS's would
>>>> seem to be comparably problematic, based on this admittedly rather
>>>> poor metric.
>>>>
>>>> Bing:
>>>>
>>>> Both searches give about 9 results. Odd.
>>>
>>> Over the years I had various laptops. Never once a problem with XP on
>>> them.
>>>
>>> The one I have now has "supported" Linux for years (or been supported)
>>> and it doesn't work. Others I know with Linux report the same on both
>>> laptop AND desktop. My desktop doesn't hibernate properly either.
>>>
>>> That combined with the links I have posted before and the general
>>> concensus makes your metric VERY VERY poor indeed.
>>>
>>> It is an acknowledged issue with Linux. Why the hell can you not
>>> accept that?
>>
>> Because you are lying, plain and simple
>
> But I'm not lying Peter and you KNOW it.

Quit telling me what "I know"

> Why are you such a dishonest fool?

Because I am not. YOu are

> You were made to look an idiot recently with
>
> 1) Your claims that its ok to dereference a null pointer
> 2) that Finale is not music composition SW.

Even *if* that were true, that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic
here

> to name but 2.

Translation: You made your claims here up. Out of full cloth

> I suggest you go and hide under a rock. Your input to ANY
> technical subject is clearly worthless.

Still nothing to support your claims

> Here's just for Ubuntu:-
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+hibernate+bug
>
> Haven't you got a uniform to press or someone to shout at?

Now make the same query for windows. See?

Dishonest fool
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ceed · External Since: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 34

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:08:56 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>> That's a valid hypothetical question. Heard of those?
> err, whatever. Word games now.
> Look you made the statement :
> ,----
> | >>>>> So I should accept having problems with something I do not have a
> | >>>>> problem
> | >>>>> with? That I do not know anyone who has a major problem with?
> Well, I
> `----
> Not me. You. And there is only one reading of that.
> And as I said : I did NOT expect you to accept YOU having problems YOU
> DO NOT HAVE. I expect you to read the links and accept that many others
> do and its being addressed by the devs AND the main distro makers.
> Besides that : more likely a rhetorical one anyway.

Prolly partly rhetorical. You are absolutely right.

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ceed · External Since: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 34

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:09:24 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>> For Freudian reasons I suppose. I should include OS X as well,
>> shouldn't I?
> Why?

Because my point is that power management is a problem on all OSs at
times. Not only Linux and Windows. It's fun to poke at Windows though.
It's just like poking a balloon, it pops! Smile

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