What's up with this boot time focus?

Chris Ahlstrom · External Since: Jan 08, 2009 Posts: 484

ceed pulled this Usenet boner:

> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:54:19 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc.TakeThisOut@launchmodem.com> writes:
>>
>>> Suspend works well enough in both Linux and Windows.
>>
>> No it doesn't. It's glitchy as hell on laptops in Linux. And you know
>> it.

No, it is not "glitchy" as hell. It is a little glitchy, on my Acer.

On my OLPC, it is rock-solid.

> It's glitchy in Windows also. I have not used Windows the last few years,
> butI have colleagues with the exact same laptop I have. They run Windows,
> I run Linux. We all have the same (minor) problems with both suspend and
> hibernate. No difference there.

"Hadron" views the world in shades of black.

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Chris Ahlstrom · External Since: Jan 08, 2009 Posts: 484

Hadron pulled this Usenet boner:

> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel guys
> are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux perform
> better in that arena.

Link?

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Chris Ahlstrom · External Since: Jan 08, 2009 Posts: 484

JEDIDIAH pulled this Usenet boner:

> The OS install process is going to be a reflection on how well the
> system takes to hardware or software updates. If the OS install is a
> royal pain in the ass due to hunting down driver disks, then so will
> installing new hardware. A bit of "Windows hardware" ends up with a
> yoke being tied around it's neck (namely the driver disk).
>
> Some simple stuff (like printers), you're not even supposed to plug
> into a Windows box before you've pre-installed the driver.
>
> They have little bits of red tape covering the USB port. Hilarious.

Yeah, I always get a laugh out of that, too.

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Hadron · External Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 495

ceed <cdposter-usenet DeleteThis @yahoo.com> writes:

> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:02:52 -0600, John Fuhrer
> <fuhrer_spam_no_joh DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Looks like ceed is another zealot who is Lying for LIEnux.
>
> John, I am not. I'm a not very technical Linux user who has been on Linux
> for 10+ years.

According to Terry Porter that is the minimum you will need to become
reasonably skilled with Linux.

Hadron · External Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 495

Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc.TakeThisOut@launchmodem.com> writes:

> Hadron pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel guys
>> are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux perform
>> better in that arena.
>
> Link?

Posted before.

Hadron · External Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 495

Terry Porter <linux-2 DeleteThis @netspace.net.au> writes:

> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:50:48 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> ceed pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:54:19 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark DeleteThis @gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc DeleteThis @launchmodem.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Suspend works well enough in both Linux and Windows.
>>>>
>>>> No it doesn't. It's glitchy as hell on laptops in Linux. And you know
>>>> it.
>>
>> No, it is not "glitchy" as hell. It is a little glitchy, on my Acer.
>>
>> On my OLPC, it is rock-solid.
>
> On my EeePC900 it's as solid as a rock, I have used suspend probably 50
> times since I installed U9.10.
>
> <snip>

So what?

How does that affect the thousands for whom it does not work?

Terry Porter · External Since: Jan 10, 2009 Posts: 131

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:01:39 +0000, Gregory Shearman wrote:

> On 2009-11-05, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc.DeleteThis@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>> Hadron pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel
>>> guys are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux
>>> perform better in that arena.
>>
>> Link?
>
> You're joking aren't you? The IQT

Imbecilic Quasimodo Troll ?

> never provides links. It makes weak
> excuses and then runs away, to repeat the lies another day. That's its
> MO.

Yep, and it also has bad breath.

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Peter KÃ¶hlmann · External Since: Mar 11, 2009 Posts: 60

Hadron wrote:

> Terry Porter <linux-2 RemoveThis @netspace.net.au> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:50:48 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> ceed pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:54:19 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark RemoveThis @gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc RemoveThis @launchmodem.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Suspend works well enough in both Linux and Windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> No it doesn't. It's glitchy as hell on laptops in Linux. And you
>>>>> know it.
>>>
>>> No, it is not "glitchy" as hell. It is a little glitchy, on my Acer.
>>>
>>> On my OLPC, it is rock-solid.
>>
>> On my EeePC900 it's as solid as a rock, I have used suspend probably 50
>> times since I installed U9.10.
>>
>> <snip>
>
> So what?
>
> How does that affect the thousands for whom it does not work?

I am certain you have solid proof for your completely made up numbers,
right, Hadron Snot Glasser Quark?
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Snit · External Since: Jan 09, 2009 Posts: 261

Peter Köhlmann stated in post hcvlvv$fk9$03$1@news.t-online.com on 11/5/09
4:09 PM:

> Glasser

You sure obsess over me a lot.

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Chris Ahlstrom · External Since: Jan 08, 2009 Posts: 484

Gregory Shearman pulled this Usenet boner:

> On 2009-11-05, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc DeleteThis @launchmodem.com> wrote:
>> Hadron pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel guys
>>> are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux perform
>>> better in that arena.
>>
>> Link?
>
> You're joking aren't you? The IQT never provides links. It makes weak
> excuses and then runs away, to repeat the lies another day. That's its
> MO.

I was asking "Hadron" for a sausage *link*, silly! Very Happy

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Gregory Shearman · External Since: Jun 30, 2004 Posts: 492

On 2009-11-05, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc.DeleteThis@launchmodem.com> wrote:
> Hadron pulled this Usenet boner:
>
>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel guys
>> are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux perform
>> better in that arena.
>
> Link?

You're joking aren't you? The IQT never provides links. It makes weak
excuses and then runs away, to repeat the lies another day. That's its
MO.

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Hadron · External Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 495

Gregory Shearman <ZekeGregory RemoveThis @netscape.net> writes:

> On 2009-11-05, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc RemoveThis @launchmodem.com> wrote:
>> Hadron pulled this Usenet boner:
>>
>>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel guys
>>> are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux perform
>>> better in that arena.
>>
>> Link?
>
> You're joking aren't you? The IQT never provides links. It makes weak
> excuses and then runs away, to repeat the lies another day. That's its
> MO.

Except I do regularly provide links. You are a liar Shearman. An out and
out liar.

Here is proof of the ongoing development and the move to the new design.

http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-laptop@lists.debian.org/msg51570.html

Read it and choke on it you pathetic little fanboi.

ANYONE who uses Linux knows there are issues with suspend and hibernate
in LOADS of cases. To deny it is simply bullshit.

Listed are ubuntu, debian AND fedora.

So basically I have just proven you, porter and Liarmutt wrong with a
single link.

Enjoy.

DFS · External Since: Jun 07, 2005 Posts: 3577

ceed wrote:

> Over and over again I've seen written about how fast Windows 7 boots
> compared to Linux. Why all this focus on that, on something that
> happens before the computer even fully run? Then it struck me, it's
> because Windows users have to reboot a lot: for almost every update,
> and every time an applications doesn't work, malware or Windows
> itself is causing crashes. Of course it matters in Windows 7!

It matters in all systems.

> But
> comparing it to Linux where you only have to reboot once in a blue
> moon, it's irrelevant (except for laptop users who may have to reboot
> a bit more often).

"On the 8th boot I finally got Ubuntu 8.04 to run and am posting this from
it."

#124 at
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765510&highlight=freeze&page=13

And if you ignorantly think frequent reboots are a corner-case in Linux, you
better read the forums.

> Why brag about something you should not have to do
> if things are working like they should? It's like launching a new car
> model and let people know and it's very quick to repair every time it
> breaks down. Would that sell the car model? I don't think so.

Good self-nuke.

ceed · External Since: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 34

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:12:14 -0600, DFS <nospam.DeleteThis@dfs_.com> wrote:

> ceed wrote:
>
>> Over and over again I've seen written about how fast Windows 7 boots
>> compared to Linux. Why all this focus on that, on something that
>> happens before the computer even fully run? Then it struck me, it's
>> because Windows users have to reboot a lot: for almost every update,
>> and every time an applications doesn't work, malware or Windows
>> itself is causing crashes. Of course it matters in Windows 7!
>
> It matters in all systems.

It matters if you have to do it all the time. To me it doesn't since I
probably reboot once every 10 days or so. I use stand-by and hibernation
which works great on my laptop.
>
>
>
>> But
>> comparing it to Linux where you only have to reboot once in a blue
>> moon, it's irrelevant (except for laptop users who may have to reboot
>> a bit more often).
>
>
> "On the 8th boot I finally got Ubuntu 8.04 to run and am posting this
> from
> it."
>
> #124 at
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765510&highlight=freeze&page=13

People have problems with all operating systems from time to time. So you
had problems installing Linux, I am sorry to hear that, but that's as far
as it goes. I have had problems from time to time and have to start an
installation over. But that happens with Windows also and is not a Linux
specific problem.
>
>
> And if you ignorantly think frequent reboots are a corner-case in Linux,
> you
> better read the forums.

I read the forums. That's where people who have problems post. The ones,
like me, who doesn't would not have to post, would they? Smile

>
>
>
>
>
>> Why brag about something you should not have to do
>> if things are working like they should? It's like launching a new car
>> model and let people know and it's very quick to repair every time it
>> breaks down. Would that sell the car model? I don't think so.
>
> Good self-nuke.
>
>
>
>

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ceed · External Since: Nov 05, 2009 Posts: 34

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:42:46 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> That is, of course, bullshit.

Of course it's bullshit. I mean, you say it's bullshit so it has to be,
hasn't it?
>
> It does not work on ALL laptops (what does) but do you expect anyone
> with half a clue to believe laptops that ship with Windows do not or are
> not expected to hibernat/suspend properly?

They are expected to, but quite often they don't.
>
> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel guys
> are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux perform
> better in that arena.

Problems are what gets documented. The thing is that for all the people
who do not have problems there are no documentation. So to base it on how
many reports a problem doesn't say much about how severe the problem is
statistically.

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JEDIDIAH · External Since: Sep 24, 2004 Posts: 1070

On 2009-11-06, Hadron <hadronquark DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Gregory Shearman <ZekeGregory DeleteThis @netscape.net> writes:
>
>> On 2009-11-05, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc DeleteThis @launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>> Hadron pulled this Usenet boner:
[deletia]
> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-laptop@lists.debian.org/msg51570.html
>
> Read it and choke on it you pathetic little fanboi.
>
> ANYONE who uses Linux knows there are issues with suspend and hibernate
> in LOADS of cases. To deny it is simply bullshit.

....and who are we going to trust for such a proclamation? A Lemming like you?

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John Fuhrer · External Since: Nov 03, 2009 Posts: 76

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:47:53 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> Terry Porter <linux-2 DeleteThis @netspace.net.au> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:50:48 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> ceed pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:54:19 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark DeleteThis @gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc DeleteThis @launchmodem.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Suspend works well enough in both Linux and Windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> No it doesn't. It's glitchy as hell on laptops in Linux. And you know
>>>>> it.
>>>
>>> No, it is not "glitchy" as hell. It is a little glitchy, on my Acer.
>>>
>>> On my OLPC, it is rock-solid.
>>
>> On my EeePC900 it's as solid as a rock, I have used suspend probably 50
>> times since I installed U9.10.
>>
>> <snip>
>
> So what?
>
> How does that affect the thousands for whom it does not work?

I don't believe a word Terry Porter says.

He can't even keep his made up Linux install stories straight.

John Fuhrer · External Since: Nov 03, 2009 Posts: 76

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:20:50 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> Gregory Shearman <ZekeGregory.TakeThisOut@netscape.net> writes:
>
>> On 2009-11-05, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc.TakeThisOut@launchmodem.com> wrote:
>>> Hadron pulled this Usenet boner:
>>>
>>>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel guys
>>>> are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux perform
>>>> better in that arena.
>>>
>>> Link?
>>
>> You're joking aren't you? The IQT never provides links. It makes weak
>> excuses and then runs away, to repeat the lies another day. That's its
>> MO.
>
>
> Except I do regularly provide links. You are a liar Shearman. An out and
> out liar.
>
> Here is proof of the ongoing development and the move to the new design.
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-laptop@lists.debian.org/msg51570.html
>
> Read it and choke on it you pathetic little fanboi.
>
> ANYONE who uses Linux knows there are issues with suspend and hibernate
> in LOADS of cases. To deny it is simply bullshit.
>
> Listed are ubuntu, debian AND fedora.
>
> So basically I have just proven you, porter and Liarmutt wrong with a
> single link.
>
> Enjoy.

I posted a few of them right from the Ubuntu 9.10 forums.
Porter and Liarmutt are just fanbois.

Hadron · External Since: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 495

ceed <cdposter-usenet RemoveThis @yahoo.com> writes:

> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:42:46 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> That is, of course, bullshit.
>
> Of course it's bullshit. I mean, you say it's bullshit so it has to be,
> hasn't it?

No. Not because I say so. But because it is.

>>
>> It does not work on ALL laptops (what does) but do you expect anyone
>> with half a clue to believe laptops that ship with Windows do not or are
>> not expected to hibernat/suspend properly?
>
> They are expected to, but quite often they don't.

No. Not "quite often". Very, very rarely. And you know it.

>>
>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel guys
>> are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux perform
>> better in that arena.
>
> Problems are what gets documented. The thing is that for all the people
> who do not have problems there are no documentation. So to base it on how
> many reports a problem doesn't say much about how severe the problem is
> statistically.

You're slipping btw. The style is slipping through.

You are right problems are documented. And they are documented very,
very frequently for Linux based laptops/desktops for hibernate and
suspend. It's no secret it doesnt work well.

John Fuhrer · External Since: Nov 03, 2009 Posts: 76

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 06:29:56 +0100, Hadron wrote:

> ceed <cdposter-usenet DeleteThis @yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:42:46 -0600, Hadron <hadronquark DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is, of course, bullshit.
>>
>> Of course it's bullshit. I mean, you say it's bullshit so it has to be,
>> hasn't it?
>
> No. Not because I say so. But because it is.
>
>
>>>
>>> It does not work on ALL laptops (what does) but do you expect anyone
>>> with half a clue to believe laptops that ship with Windows do not or are
>>> not expected to hibernat/suspend properly?
>>
>> They are expected to, but quite often they don't.
>
> No. Not "quite often". Very, very rarely. And you know it.
>
>
>>>
>>> The linux issues are well known and well documented and the kernel guys
>>> are looking into rebuilding the whole shebang to make Linux perform
>>> better in that arena.
>>
>> Problems are what gets documented. The thing is that for all the people
>> who do not have problems there are no documentation. So to base it on how
>> many reports a problem doesn't say much about how severe the problem is
>> statistically.
>
> You're slipping btw. The style is slipping through.

Snicker Smile

> You are right problems are documented. And they are documented very,
> very frequently for Linux based laptops/desktops for hibernate and
> suspend. It's no secret it doesnt work well.

It's a train wreck.