XTerm control sequences in Konsole

Sybren Stuvel · External Since: Jul 06, 2005 Posts: 991

Hi folks,

XTerm iconifies upon receiving <ESC>[2t, but unfortunately Konsole
doesn't respond to that. I've been looking for a list of supported
control sequences of Konsole, but I can't seem to find any. Where can
I find such a list? Or: which terminal control sequences can I use to
minimize & restore Konsole?

Thanks in advance,
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J.O. Aho · External Since: Mar 26, 2004 Posts: 2216

Sybren Stuvel wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> XTerm iconifies upon receiving <ESC>[2t, but unfortunately Konsole
> doesn't respond to that. I've been looking for a list of supported
> control sequences of Konsole, but I can't seem to find any. Where can
> I find such a list? Or: which terminal control sequences can I use to
> minimize & restore Konsole?

Go into "Keyboard Shortcuts" and find

System
|
+--Windows
|
+--Minimise Window

Now select the key combination you want use to minimize the window with.

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Sybren Stuvel · External Since: Jul 06, 2005 Posts: 991

J.O. Aho enlightened us with:
>> XTerm iconifies upon receiving <ESC>[2t, but unfortunately Konsole
>> doesn't respond to that. I've been looking for a list of supported
>> control sequences of Konsole, but I can't seem to find any. Where can
>> I find such a list? Or: which terminal control sequences can I use to
>> minimize & restore Konsole?
>
> Go into "Keyboard Shortcuts" and find
>
> System
> |
> +--Windows
> |
> +--Minimise Window
>
> Now select the key combination you want use to minimize the window
> with.

Thanks, but that's for key combinations, not terminal control
sequences. What I'm looking for is the byte sequence that a program
running in the terminal can send to that terminal to have it minimize.

Sybren
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J.O. Aho · External Since: Mar 26, 2004 Posts: 2216

Sybren Stuvel wrote:
> J.O. Aho enlightened us with:
>>> XTerm iconifies upon receiving <ESC>[2t, but unfortunately Konsole
>>> doesn't respond to that. I've been looking for a list of supported
>>> control sequences of Konsole, but I can't seem to find any. Where can
>>> I find such a list? Or: which terminal control sequences can I use to
>>> minimize & restore Konsole?
>> Go into "Keyboard Shortcuts" and find
>>
>> System
>> |
>> +--Windows
>> |
>> +--Minimise Window
>>
>> Now select the key combination you want use to minimize the window
>> with.
>
> Thanks, but that's for key combinations, not terminal control
> sequences. What I'm looking for is the byte sequence that a program
> running in the terminal can send to that terminal to have it minimize.

Testing that Esc[2t don't result in any minimize of windows in my xterm, sure
it's hasn't to do with the window manager?

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Sybren Stuvel · External Since: Jul 06, 2005 Posts: 991

J.O. Aho enlightened us with:
> Testing that Esc[2t don't result in any minimize of windows in my
> xterm, sure it's hasn't to do with the window manager?

Yup, since it works just fine here on my box. You sure you're sending
the right codes?

Sybren
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Michael Heiming · External Since: Apr 04, 2004 Posts: 3526

In alt.os.linux Sybren Stuvel <sybrenUSE.DeleteThis@yourthirdtower.com.imagination>:
> Hi folks,

> XTerm iconifies upon receiving <ESC>[2t, but unfortunately Konsole
> doesn't respond to that. I've been looking for a list of supported
> control sequences of Konsole, but I can't seem to find any. Where can
> I find such a list? Or: which terminal control sequences can I use to
> minimize & restore Konsole?

Hi Sybren!

Unsure if I got what you are looking for, you mean 'konsole' the
terminal emulation KDE comes with?

In any case this sounds more like a wm setting then anything
else. With KDE you can fire up 'kcontrol' -> "Regional &
Accessibility" -> "Keyboard Shortcuts" and define for example
"Windows" -> "Minimize Window" to "Alt+F8", which would work for
any window from now on ('apply')...

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Sybren Stuvel · External Since: Jul 06, 2005 Posts: 991

Michael Heiming enlightened us with:
> Unsure if I got what you are looking for, you mean 'konsole' the
> terminal emulation KDE comes with?

Yup.

> In any case this sounds more like a wm setting then anything
> else. With KDE you can fire up 'kcontrol' -> "Regional &
> Accessibility" -> "Keyboard Shortcuts" and define for example
> "Windows" -> "Minimize Window" to "Alt+F8", which would work for
> any window from now on ('apply')...

But does it also work when the program running *inside* the terminal
sends the same charaters that Alt+F8 generates?

Sybren
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Michael Heiming · External Since: Apr 04, 2004 Posts: 3526

In alt.os.linux Sybren Stuvel <sybrenUSE.TakeThisOut@yourthirdtower.com.imagination>:
> Michael Heiming enlightened us with:
>> Unsure if I got what you are looking for, you mean 'konsole' the
>> terminal emulation KDE comes with?

> Yup.

>> In any case this sounds more like a wm setting then anything
>> else. With KDE you can fire up 'kcontrol' -> "Regional &
>> Accessibility" -> "Keyboard Shortcuts" and define for example
>> "Windows" -> "Minimize Window" to "Alt+F8", which would work for
>> any window from now on ('apply')...

> But does it also work when the program running *inside* the terminal
> sends the same characters that Alt+F8 generates?

How should I know? I don't even know if this app is starting
another window or is running in text mode? The app might
alternatively try using 'dcop' to signal the parent window to
minimize.

You could just test this out and report back?

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Sybren Stuvel · External Since: Jul 06, 2005 Posts: 991

Michael Heiming enlightened us with:
>> But does it also work when the program running *inside* the
>> terminal sends the same characters that Alt+F8 generates?
>
> How should I know?

You know a lot, thought you might know this Wink

> I don't even know if this app is starting another window or is
> running in text mode?

Since I was talking terminal control codes, it's a terminal app.

> The app might alternatively try using 'dcop' to signal the parent
> window to minimize.

That would be rather a long way around - for now I decided to move to
XTerm, which does listen to the appropriate control codes.

> You could just test this out and report back?

I might do that some time after the festivities Smile

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J.O. Aho · External Since: Mar 26, 2004 Posts: 2216

Sybren Stuvel wrote:
> Michael Heiming enlightened us with:

>> The app might alternatively try using 'dcop' to signal the parent
>> window to minimize.
>
> That would be rather a long way around - for now I decided to move to
> XTerm, which does listen to the appropriate control codes.

I can't see it's a VT100 code, which is the default mode in xterm
http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/howlinuxworks/linux_hlvt100.html

Didn't find it listed as xterm escape sequences
http://rtfm.etla.org/xterm/ctlseq.html

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//Aho

Michael Heiming · External Since: Apr 04, 2004 Posts: 3526

In alt.os.linux Sybren Stuvel <sybrenUSE RemoveThis @yourthirdtower.com.imagination>:
> Michael Heiming enlightened us with:
[..]

>> I don't even know if this app is starting another window or is
>> running in text mode?

> Since I was talking terminal control codes, it's a terminal app.

Ah see, I didn't recognized it as such.

>> The app might alternatively try using 'dcop' to signal the parent
>> window to minimize.

> That would be rather a long way around - for now I decided to move to
> XTerm, which does listen to the appropriate control codes.

Sounds like a good workaround.

http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=40425

Description:
This KDED module allows DCOP scripting of the running window
manager (usually KWin, but a separate module allows scripting any
EWMH-compatible window manager that's running in KDE)

This small kde app might just do what you want if you launch your
app from some shell script minimizing "konsole" it was started
from.

BTW
The should have better named it "kkonsole" or so, pretty
confusing if someone talks about konsole, you are never really
sure what he is using...

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Thomas Dickey · External Since: Aug 09, 2006 Posts: 96

J.O. Aho <user.DeleteThis@example.net> wrote:
> Sybren Stuvel wrote:
>> Michael Heiming enlightened us with:

>>> The app might alternatively try using 'dcop' to signal the parent
>>> window to minimize.
>>
>> That would be rather a long way around - for now I decided to move to
>> XTerm, which does listen to the appropriate control codes.

> I can't see it's a VT100 code, which is the default mode in xterm
> http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/howlinuxworks/linux_hlvt100.html

man xterm

The xterm program is a terminal emulator for the X Window
System. It provides DEC VT102/VT220 (VTxxx) and Tektronix
4014 compatible terminals for programs that cannot use the
window system directly. If the underlying operating system
supports terminal resizing capabilities (for example, the
SIGWINCH signal in systems derived from 4.3bsd), xterm will
use the facilities to notify programs running in the window
whenever it is resized.

That's somewhat more than VT100.

Also note that some packagers set resources such as

allowWindowOps (class AllowWindowOps)
Specifies whether extended window control sequences
(as used in dtterm) for should be allowed. The
default is ``true.''

> Didn't find it listed as xterm escape sequences
> http://rtfm.etla.org/xterm/ctlseq.html

That's some gnome-terminal page, which isn't complete (no surprise).
However, what you're discussing is in the section on "Operating System
Controls".

xterm supports ANSI color, VT220 emulation and UTF-8
There's an faq at
http://invisible-island.net/xterm/xterm.faq.html
ftp://invisible-island.net/xterm/

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Thomas Dickey · External Since: Aug 09, 2006 Posts: 96

J.O. Aho <user.RemoveThis@example.net> wrote:

> I can't see it's a VT100 code, which is the default mode in xterm
> http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/howlinuxworks/linux_hlvt100.html

That URL doesn't describe VT100's.
(It both describes features not in VT100's, as well as omits features that are).

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Sybren Stuvel · External Since: Jul 06, 2005 Posts: 991

J.O. Aho enlightened us with:
> Didn't find it listed as xterm escape sequences
> http://rtfm.etla.org/xterm/ctlseq.html

It's there alright, but they call it "iconify" instead of "minimize".
Look for the window manipulation code "CSI Ps ; Ps ; Ps t"

Sybren
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