Windows Vista may be the killer of LinuxOS

philippe goffioul · External Since: Oct 09, 2005 Posts: 1

ray wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 15:53:07 -0400, nyMexTrader wrote:
>
>> I wonder why Linux communities not work harder together united to speed
>> up the LinuxOS improving process? On desktop area, Linux is way behind.
>> If Apple Mac able to turn a unixOS into real MicrosoftOS contender, I
>> think Linux could do it too.
>>
>> All we need is united on project instead of duplication on duplications.
>>
>> Cheer.
>
> I disagree with your main premise. I do not thing Linux is behind at all -
> I think it is technically far in the lead. The perception is all that
> lags. If there were major computer dealers who would sell computers with
> linux properly installed and set up - there would be a huge demand. It is
> not much easier to properly install and set up Linux than MS - and MS
> generally comes that way.
As a long windows user, i've come recently to linux and i find that it is
far more easier to use and configure linux than windows.I use mandriva
LE2005. As you are working in Linux you have all the tools you need and
details in the explanations. As you need help many forums with gentle
people. The only trouble is that there are no linux system engeneers
enought so many it enterprises can't find enought. As you are working with
windows, as it doesn't work, and it often does...restart from scatch with
no others application.

Phg

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AJV · External Since: Dec 22, 2006 Posts: 1

Patrick Grimbergen wrote:

>
> I love programs like The Gimp, OpenOffice and Quanta+, I never want to go
> back to Photoshop, MS Office and Dreamweaver... they are just so far behind
> in their capabilities...
>

At you're level of expertise in photo shop, MS Office and Dreamweaver I
agree with you. At my level of expertise, the opensource apps are to
limiting.

Regards

ray · External Since: Nov 13, 2004 Posts: 3312

On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:16:27 -0600, AJV wrote:

> Patrick Grimbergen wrote:
>
>>
>> I love programs like The Gimp, OpenOffice and Quanta+, I never want to go
>> back to Photoshop, MS Office and Dreamweaver... they are just so far behind
>> in their capabilities...
>>
>
> At you're level of expertise in photo shop, MS Office and Dreamweaver I

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> agree with you. At my level of expertise, the opensource apps are to

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> limiting.
>
> Regards

Can't even construct a grammatically correct sentence, yet you find open
source apps 'too limiting'.

Tips · External Since: Dec 22, 2006 Posts: 8

AJV wrote:

> Patrick Grimbergen wrote:
>
>>
>> I love programs like The Gimp, OpenOffice and Quanta+, I never want to go
>> back to Photoshop, MS Office and Dreamweaver... they are just so far
>> behind in their capabilities...
>>
>
> At you're level of expertise in photo shop, MS Office and Dreamweaver I
> agree with you. At my level of expertise, the opensource apps are to
> limiting.

You can run Photoshop, MS Office and Dreamweaver on Linux. Disney's
animation studio uses Photoshop on Linux.

The only thing Vista will kill is the wallet...

J.O. Aho · External Since: Mar 26, 2004 Posts: 2183

Tips wrote:
> AJV wrote:
>
>> Patrick Grimbergen wrote:
>>
>>> I love programs like The Gimp, OpenOffice and Quanta+, I never want to go
>>> back to Photoshop, MS Office and Dreamweaver... they are just so far
>>> behind in their capabilities...
>>>
>> At you're level of expertise in photo shop, MS Office and Dreamweaver I
>> agree with you. At my level of expertise, the opensource apps are to
>> limiting.
>
> You can run Photoshop, MS Office and Dreamweaver on Linux. Disney's
> animation studio uses Photoshop on Linux.
>
> The only thing Vista will kill is the wallet...

The question is if there will be a version released for public use, it seems
there are major problems with a 64bit microsoft, it got delayed time after
time and when it's really time to force people to switch to vista, there still
will not be any real applications that takes advantage of the 64bit
environment, so I agree, it will just be a wallet killer.

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//Aho

Ivan Marsh · External Since: Jan 26, 2005 Posts: 438

On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:13:22 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:

> Tips wrote:
>> AJV wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick Grimbergen wrote:
>>>
>>>> I love programs like The Gimp, OpenOffice and Quanta+, I never want to go
>>>> back to Photoshop, MS Office and Dreamweaver... they are just so far
>>>> behind in their capabilities...
>>>>
>>> At you're level of expertise in photo shop, MS Office and Dreamweaver I
>>> agree with you. At my level of expertise, the opensource apps are to
>>> limiting.
>>
>> You can run Photoshop, MS Office and Dreamweaver on Linux. Disney's
>> animation studio uses Photoshop on Linux.
>>
>> The only thing Vista will kill is the wallet...
>
> The question is if there will be a version released for public use, it seems
> there are major problems with a 64bit microsoft, it got delayed time after
> time and when it's really time to force people to switch to vista, there still
> will not be any real applications that takes advantage of the 64bit
> environment, so I agree, it will just be a wallet killer.

Vista may well end up being the worst thing Microsoft has ever done to
itself.

J.O. Aho · External Since: Mar 26, 2004 Posts: 2183

Ivan Marsh wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:13:22 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:
>
>> Tips wrote:
>>> AJV wrote:
>>>
>>>> Patrick Grimbergen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I love programs like The Gimp, OpenOffice and Quanta+, I never want to go
>>>>> back to Photoshop, MS Office and Dreamweaver... they are just so far
>>>>> behind in their capabilities...
>>>>>
>>>> At you're level of expertise in photo shop, MS Office and Dreamweaver I
>>>> agree with you. At my level of expertise, the opensource apps are to
>>>> limiting.
>>> You can run Photoshop, MS Office and Dreamweaver on Linux. Disney's
>>> animation studio uses Photoshop on Linux.
>>>
>>> The only thing Vista will kill is the wallet...
>> The question is if there will be a version released for public use, it seems
>> there are major problems with a 64bit microsoft, it got delayed time after
>> time and when it's really time to force people to switch to vista, there still
>> will not be any real applications that takes advantage of the 64bit
>> environment, so I agree, it will just be a wallet killer.
>
> Vista may well end up being the worst thing Microsoft has ever done to
> itself.
>

microsoft windowsme2 Razz

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//Aho

Ivan Marsh · External Since: Jan 26, 2005 Posts: 438

On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:20:33 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:

> Ivan Marsh wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:13:22 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>
>>> Tips wrote:
>>>> AJV wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Patrick Grimbergen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I love programs like The Gimp, OpenOffice and Quanta+, I never want to go
>>>>>> back to Photoshop, MS Office and Dreamweaver... they are just so far
>>>>>> behind in their capabilities...
>>>>>>
>>>>> At you're level of expertise in photo shop, MS Office and Dreamweaver I
>>>>> agree with you. At my level of expertise, the opensource apps are to
>>>>> limiting.
>>>> You can run Photoshop, MS Office and Dreamweaver on Linux. Disney's
>>>> animation studio uses Photoshop on Linux.
>>>>
>>>> The only thing Vista will kill is the wallet...
>>> The question is if there will be a version released for public use, it seems
>>> there are major problems with a 64bit microsoft, it got delayed time after
>>> time and when it's really time to force people to switch to vista, there still
>>> will not be any real applications that takes advantage of the 64bit
>>> environment, so I agree, it will just be a wallet killer.
>>
>> Vista may well end up being the worst thing Microsoft has ever done to
>> itself.
>
> microsoft windowsme2 Razz

NT service pack 4

Jeroen Geilman · External Since: Jan 22, 2006 Posts: 97

ray wrote:

> Can't even construct a grammatically correct sentence, yet you find open
> source apps 'too limiting'.

And yet - he may be exactly right when he says they're too limiting at
his "level of expertise".

Consider - if his level is actually so low that he gets confused when
all of the menu options and big friendly buttons aren't in *exactly* the
same place as in his closed source preferences - then he might well find
himself limited by the power and flexibility of open source software.

He could be Microsoft's ideal user: destined to remain ignorant.

J.

J.O. Aho · External Since: Mar 26, 2004 Posts: 2183

Ivan Marsh wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:20:33 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:
>> Ivan Marsh wrote:

>>> Vista may well end up being the worst thing Microsoft has ever done to
>>> itself.
>> microsoft windowsme2 Razz

> NT service pack 4

When thinking about things, why didn't microsoft stay with "windows" 1.01,
it's the most stable of their products.

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//Aho

Ivan Marsh · External Since: Jan 26, 2005 Posts: 438

On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 21:18:32 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:

> Ivan Marsh wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:20:33 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>> Ivan Marsh wrote:
>
>>>> Vista may well end up being the worst thing Microsoft has ever done to
>>>> itself.
>>> microsoft windowsme2 Razz

>> NT service pack 4
>
> When thinking about things, why didn't microsoft stay with "windows" 1.01,
> it's the most stable of their products.

I was really fond of MS-DOS 3.1

Handover Phist · External Since: Nov 07, 2006 Posts: 367

On 2006-12-22, Ivan Marsh <annoyed.DeleteThis@you.now> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 21:18:32 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:
>
>> Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:20:33 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>>> Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>
>>>>> Vista may well end up being the worst thing Microsoft has ever done to
>>>>> itself.
>>>> microsoft windowsme2 Razz

>>> NT service pack 4
>>
>> When thinking about things, why didn't microsoft stay with "windows" 1.01,
>> it's the most stable of their products.
>
> I was really fond of MS-DOS 3.1

6.2 was my favorite. Didn't try windows until 98 came out, and was into
Linux soon after that.

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J.O. Aho · External Since: Mar 26, 2004 Posts: 2183

Ivan Marsh wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 21:18:32 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:
>
>> Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:20:33 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>>> Ivan Marsh wrote:
>>>>> Vista may well end up being the worst thing Microsoft has ever done to
>>>>> itself.
>>>> microsoft windowsme2 Razz

>>> NT service pack 4
>> When thinking about things, why didn't microsoft stay with "windows" 1.01,
>> it's the most stable of their products.
>
> I was really fond of MS-DOS 3.1

In a way I don't see it as their own product, as it's based on qDos, not sure
how much of the code in MW 1.01 is their own code and in a way it's not an OS,
just a dos application.

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//Aho

Walter Mautner · External Since: Dec 07, 2006 Posts: 13

Ivan Marsh wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:20:33 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:
>
>> Ivan Marsh wrote:
....
>> microsoft windowsme2 Razz

>
> NT service pack 4

Well, good old NT got servicepacks up to 6 (and a half) and it is still
doing a good job on some old lab pcs where we cannot change the
software/interfaces because the attached devices are out of support but
still work.
With linux, I can get the vista-like gui eyecandy and even more, and it just
works - here with a vista underpowered athlonxp2100, at work on a nice core
duo as well.
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Ivan Marsh · External Since: Jan 26, 2005 Posts: 438

On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:08:38 +0100, Walter Mautner wrote:

> Ivan Marsh wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:20:33 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>
>>> Ivan Marsh wrote:
> ...
>>> microsoft windowsme2 Razz

>>
>> NT service pack 4
>
> Well, good old NT got servicepacks up to 6 (and a half) and it is still
> doing a good job on some old lab pcs where we cannot change the
> software/interfaces because the attached devices are out of support but
> still work.

NT 4.0 was a "good" OS when compared to other MS OSs.

Service pack 4 was a freaking nightmare... A nightmare, that if you don't
remember it, means you probably never tried to install it. Service pack 5
came out VERY quickly.

Roddy Meatstick.......... · External Since: Dec 25, 2006 Posts: 12

Ivan Marsh wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:13:22 +0100, J.O. Aho wrote:
>
>> Tips wrote:
>>> AJV wrote:
>>>
>>>> Patrick Grimbergen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I love programs like The Gimp, OpenOffice and Quanta+, I never want to go
>>>>> back to Photoshop, MS Office and Dreamweaver... they are just so far
>>>>> behind in their capabilities...
>>>>>
>>>> At you're level of expertise in photo shop, MS Office and Dreamweaver I
>>>> agree with you. At my level of expertise, the opensource apps are to
>>>> limiting.
>>> You can run Photoshop, MS Office and Dreamweaver on Linux. Disney's
>>> animation studio uses Photoshop on Linux.
>>>
>>> The only thing Vista will kill is the wallet...
>> The question is if there will be a version released for public use, it seems
>> there are major problems with a 64bit microsoft, it got delayed time after
>> time and when it's really time to force people to switch to vista, there still
>> will not be any real applications that takes advantage of the 64bit
>> environment, so I agree, it will just be a wallet killer.
>
> Vista may well end up being the worst thing Microsoft has ever done to
> itself.
>

Why do you think they married up with Novell? They may need SUSE Linux
for stability. Vista would run fine under Linux.

Walter Mautner · External Since: Dec 07, 2006 Posts: 13

Roddy Meatstick.............. wrote:

> Ivan Marsh wrote:
......
>> Vista may well end up being the worst thing Microsoft has ever done to
>> itself.
>>
>
> Why do you think they married up with Novell? They may need SUSE Linux
> for stability. Vista would run fine under Linux.

Well, vmware6 beta already should support vista as a guest - but then I
guess no chance for "trusted media path" playback and digital restrictions
manglement anymore.
The nice shoot-in-the-knee feature of blueray and hd-dvd might be, that a
lot of people who can afford the (private) equipment to seriously tinker
with that, will have lost interest because their eyes will not be able to
see the difference to a standard dvd - just because of age.
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on mousepad. Partition scan in progress to remove offending
incompatible products. Reactivate MS software.
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Tips · External Since: Dec 22, 2006 Posts: 8

J.O. Aho wrote:

> Tips wrote:

>> The only thing Vista will kill is the wallet...
>
> The question is if there will be a version released for public use, it
> seems there are major problems with a 64bit microsoft, it got delayed time
> after time and when it's really time to force people to switch to vista,
> there still will not be any real applications that takes advantage of the
> 64bit environment, so I agree, it will just be a wallet killer.

Vista -- "the Microsoft killer"
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