Ubuntu 12.04 victim of overheating is pissed... going back..

GreyCloud · External Since: May 06, 2004 Posts: 922

On 5/14/2012 10:11 AM, -hh wrote:
> On May 13, 3:27 pm, Peter Köhlmann
> wrote:
>> Hadron wrote:
>>> Lusotec writes:
>>
>>>> DFS wrote:
>>>>> "Hi the temperature of my laptop increases by about 20 degrees when im
>>>>> just using youtube, its pissing me off, the cpu also runs at about 30%
>>>>> when watching a 2 minute youtube clip. Im using 12,04 and ive posted
>>>>> about this before. Im going back to windows 7, but if someone has a fix
>>>>> ill happily come back to ubuntu.
>>
>>>> Fix: use Youtube's HTML5 video player instead of Flash crapware or use
>>>> minitube (my preferred way to view youtube videos).
>>
>>> The html5 that Apple promotes and Peter Koehlmann derided as
>>> "unnecessary" as flash "just works already"? OK..... Good to see you
>>> thinking for yourself for a change and not just playing Son Of Creepy as
>>> usual.
>>
>> Come back to us when HTML5 is ready
>
> Adobe Flash is a closed proprietary product ... so why is it being
> accepted at all over an Open standard, even if the latter isn't
> necessarily feature-complete?
> Oh wait...I know the answer: Adobe gives away their Flash Readers
> for free, so Peter's recommendation is not the philsophy (or religion)
> of FOSS at all, but is instead simply about promoting keeping Peter's
> cash in Peter's wallet.
>

If it isn't developed under Linux, he won't use it. Part of their creed
I guess.

>
>> And then explain how to do the still missing features from Flash.
>
> If this were Adobe Photoshop vs GIMP, your position would be to accept
> those shortcomings. Probably with a rationalization that's based on
> the Pareto Principle for how the Open alternative doesn't necessarily
> have to be absoutely feature-complete: just an 80% solution (or
> thereabouts)

Ah, you lost me on the Pareto Principle. I don't know everything. Smile

>
>> As even a dimbulb like you should know, Flash is not just about showing
>> videos. Even now iPhone users are complaining that a lot of sites are not
>> working for them
>
> An interesting claim, since there's more content providers
> specifically catering to iOS today than ever before.
>
> ...and if one applies Google Trends, one can see that iphone flash
> peaked back in 3Q 2010 and has been on a steady decline, with today's
> volume being roughly 25% lower than the max trendline and ~40% lower
> than the momentary peak.

Isn't that because Apple refused to use Adobe Flash?

>
> See for yourself at URL:
>
> http://www.google.com/trends/?q=iphone+flash&ctab=0
>
> FYI, Google's CSV data says that the peak was 6.4 on 8 Aug 2010;
> versus 3.75 on 6 May 2012: 3.75/6.4 = 58.6%
>
>
> -hh
>

Chris Ahlstrom · External Since: Oct 20, 2010 Posts: 796

After swilling some grog, JEDIDIAH belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2012-05-13, MelissA wrote:
>
>> It is well known that flash player plug-in is resource hog and slow
>> on Linux. I can't see how power management can help in this case...
>
> It has nothing to do with Linux.
> Flash will do the same thing to Windows 7.
> It's a big filthy resource hog.

Except that, on Linux, you don't even notice an impact on the rest of
the system.

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use your work pass it on?
-- "Hadron", getting it all wrong, as he attacks the GPL

Foster · External Since: Nov 16, 2011 Posts: 452

On Tue, 15 May 2012 07:06:41 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After swilling some grog, JEDIDIAH belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2012-05-13, MelissA wrote:
>>
>>> It is well known that flash player plug-in is resource hog and slow
>>> on Linux. I can't see how power management can help in this case...
>>
>> It has nothing to do with Linux.
>> Flash will do the same thing to Windows 7.
>> It's a big filthy resource hog.
>
> Except that, on Linux, you don't even notice an impact on the rest of
> the system.

Stop lying.....

DFS · External Since: Feb 25, 2011 Posts: 781

On 5/15/2012 10:12 AM, Foster wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2012 07:06:41 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> After swilling some grog, JEDIDIAH belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> On 2012-05-13, MelissA wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is well known that flash player plug-in is resource hog and slow
>>>> on Linux. I can't see how power management can help in this case...
>>>
>>> It has nothing to do with Linux.
>>> Flash will do the same thing to Windows 7.
>>> It's a big filthy resource hog.
>>
>> Except that, on Linux, you don't even notice an impact on the rest of
>> the system.
>
> Stop lying.....

He's a Linux "advocate". He literally can't stop lying.

Creepy: "it's getting pretty damn hard to find real flaws in Linux these
days." (Apr 2012)

GreyCloud · External Since: May 06, 2004 Posts: 922

On 5/15/2012 5:06 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> After swilling some grog, JEDIDIAH belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2012-05-13, MelissA wrote:
>>
>>> It is well known that flash player plug-in is resource hog and slow
>>> on Linux. I can't see how power management can help in this case...
>>
>> It has nothing to do with Linux.
>> Flash will do the same thing to Windows 7.
>> It's a big filthy resource hog.
>
> Except that, on Linux, you don't even notice an impact on the rest of
> the system.
>
I'm not noticing any impacts on any of mine as well.

JEDIDIAH · External Since: Sep 24, 2004 Posts: 1610

On 2012-05-15, Foster wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2012 07:06:41 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> After swilling some grog, JEDIDIAH belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> On 2012-05-13, MelissA wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is well known that flash player plug-in is resource hog and slow
>>>> on Linux. I can't see how power management can help in this case...
>>>
>>> It has nothing to do with Linux.
>>> Flash will do the same thing to Windows 7.
>>> It's a big filthy resource hog.
>>
>> Except that, on Linux, you don't even notice an impact on the rest of
>> the system.
>
> Stop lying.....

Stop kidding yourself.

--
...of course if you are forced against your will to use Windows in |||
the day time your bound to have a lot to vent about in the evening. / | \

nessuno · External Since: Jun 23, 2009 Posts: 128

My Mac laptop also get hot hot running skype.

On May 13, 9:55 am, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> After swilling some grog, Lusotec belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > DFS wrote:
> >> "Hi the temperature of my laptop increases by about 20 degrees when im
> >> just using youtube, its pissing me off, the cpu also runs at about 30%
> >> when watching a 2 minute youtube clip. Im using 12,04 and ive posted
> >> about this before. Im going back to windows 7, but if someone has a fix
> >> ill happily come back to ubuntu.
>
> > Fix: use Youtube's HTML5 video player instead of Flash crapware or use
> > minitube (my preferred way to view youtube videos).
>
> >> ive got a hp laptop, i5, had it four months direct from the shop. My
> >> issue is that when i run windows the cpu remains low whilst using
> >> multiple programs at the same time, but in ubuntu my computer temp would
> >> rise 30 degrees within a few secondsof using a single program, internet
> >> explorer watching a streaming video."
>
> > So the OP is complaining that "internet explorer" does not work well on
> > Ubuntu?
>
> >> #1 and #6 at
> >>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1979055
>
> > In short, avoid close source crapware like flash and internet explorer.
>
> >> Lusotec, get in here and explain how this is a hardware issue.
>
> > Still bothered that I pointed out a few cases, *years* ago, were the
> > hardware was the *obvious* culprit? I would call you pathetic but you have
> > passed pathetic some time ago!
>
> Heh. Just been googling to figure how to stop Skype on Windows from
> eating up 100% CPU, even without the client GUI running. People
> complaining about slow machines and overheating.
>
> But that's okay by DFS, since it is happening on his beloved Windows.
>
> Linux? A 100% CPU usage is no problem, often not even noticed by the
> user. Why? Because Linux has professional multitasking, better virtual
> memory, a better process scheduler, and lightweight processes.
>
> DFS should stick his crapware in a pipe and smoke it.
>
> --
> Larry Qualig proves again that Peter Kohlmann is the dumbest idiot on earth
> --http://compgroups.net/comp.os.linux.advocacy/Larry-Qualig-proves-agai...

Chris Ahlstrom · External Since: Oct 20, 2010 Posts: 796

After swilling some grog, JEDIDIAH belched this bit o' wisdom:

> On 2012-05-15, Foster wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 May 2012 07:06:41 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> After swilling some grog, JEDIDIAH belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>
>>>> On 2012-05-13, MelissA wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It is well known that flash player plug-in is resource hog and slow
>>>>> on Linux. I can't see how power management can help in this case...
>>>>
>>>> It has nothing to do with Linux.
>>>> Flash will do the same thing to Windows 7.
>>>> It's a big filthy resource hog.
>>>
>>> Except that, on Linux, you don't even notice an impact on the rest of
>>> the system.
>>
>> Stop lying.....
>
> Stop kidding yourself.

Linux is quite a bit better than any version of Windows (maybe even
Server) at dealing with multiple high-CPU tasks.

Much better.

It's like the old complaint I had about the response of MS-DOS versus
UNIX to Ctrl-C.

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Foster · External Since: Nov 16, 2011 Posts: 452

On Wed, 23 May 2012 17:22:48 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> After swilling some grog, JEDIDIAH belched this bit o' wisdom:
>
>> On 2012-05-15, Foster wrote:
>>> On Tue, 15 May 2012 07:06:41 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> After swilling some grog, JEDIDIAH belched this bit o' wisdom:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2012-05-13, MelissA wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is well known that flash player plug-in is resource hog and slow
>>>>>> on Linux. I can't see how power management can help in this case...
>>>>>
>>>>> It has nothing to do with Linux.
>>>>> Flash will do the same thing to Windows 7.
>>>>> It's a big filthy resource hog.
>>>>
>>>> Except that, on Linux, you don't even notice an impact on the rest of
>>>> the system.
>>>
>>> Stop lying.....
>>
>> Stop kidding yourself.
>
> Linux is quite a bit better than any version of Windows (maybe even
> Server) at dealing with multiple high-CPU tasks.

And your proof is?

> Much better.

So show us.

> It's like the old complaint I had about the response of MS-DOS versus
> UNIX to Ctrl-C.

Yawwn.

What is it with you Linturds and living in the past?

JEDIDIAH · External Since: Sep 24, 2004 Posts: 1610

On 2012-05-23, nessuno wrote:
> My Mac laptop also get hot hot running skype.

My last Mini got hot just from running. It eventually killed itself through overheating.

My other remaining Minis don't do much better.

Despite what the fanboys might try to say, Apple designs are
inferior when it comes to dealing with heat and power management.
Exposing any of that sort of thing might interfere with the whole
"dumbing everything down" approach they like to take.

[deletia]

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It's only publishers who think that people own it." |||
~ John Lennon / | \

Snit · External Since: Jan 09, 2009 Posts: 2956

On 5/24/12 10:54 AM, in article slrnjrsten.hfo.jedi RemoveThis @nomad.mishnet,
"JEDIDIAH" wrote:

> On 2012-05-23, nessuno wrote:
>> My Mac laptop also get hot hot running skype.
>
> My last Mini got hot just from running. It eventually killed itself through
> overheating.
>
> My other remaining Minis don't do much better.
>
> Despite what the fanboys might try to say, Apple designs are
> inferior when it comes to dealing with heat and power management.
> Exposing any of that sort of thing might interfere with the whole
> "dumbing everything down" approach they like to take.
>
> [deletia]

What are you talking about? Seriously... dumbing what down?

Apple is very, very good at making products that serve people's needs (and
wants) very well - hence their very high user satisfaction ratings. This is
not "dumbing" down anything - it is showing a better understanding of the
need to focus on goals and getting stuff done and not on things which, by
themselves, have no real purpose such as "flexibility" and
"configurability". And before what I said get twisted, the phrase "by
themselves" is no meaningless.

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Foster · External Since: Nov 16, 2011 Posts: 452

On Thu, 24 May 2012 11:14:52 -0700, Snit wrote:

> On 5/24/12 10:54 AM, in article slrnjrsten.hfo.jedi.RemoveThis@nomad.mishnet,
> "JEDIDIAH" wrote:
>
>> On 2012-05-23, nessuno wrote:
>>> My Mac laptop also get hot hot running skype.
>>
>> My last Mini got hot just from running. It eventually killed itself through
>> overheating.
>>
>> My other remaining Minis don't do much better.
>>
>> Despite what the fanboys might try to say, Apple designs are
>> inferior when it comes to dealing with heat and power management.
>> Exposing any of that sort of thing might interfere with the whole
>> "dumbing everything down" approach they like to take.
>>
>> [deletia]
>
> What are you talking about? Seriously... dumbing what down?

Jedidiah is a dinosaur who has watched his "magical" cli skilss
become mostly obsolete for the average user.

He is still living in the past and considers GUI and clicking on
icons to be dumbed down compared to typing something like:

fiReFox-12.14.5-05.r1

> Apple is very, very good at making products that serve people's needs (and
> wants) very well - hence their very high user satisfaction ratings. This is
> not "dumbing" down anything - it is showing a better understanding of the
> need to focus on goals and getting stuff done and not on things which, by
> themselves, have no real purpose such as "flexibility" and
> "configurability". And before what I said get twisted, the phrase "by
> themselves" is no meaningless.

The Linux school of thought disagrees.
They LOVE tinkering and playing around with their operating systems.
It makes them feel superior.

Most folks however think of the computer as an applicance to perform
work with and are far less interested in tinkering which is why you
rarely see high levels of customization of Windows desktops on many
people's systems.

The goal is to get the work done in the easiest fashion and not have
to even deal with the computer other than to produce the output.

Snit · External Since: Jan 09, 2009 Posts: 2956

On 5/24/12 12:03 PM, in article ei4g72xvmlhh.u5vyqboub0n$.dlg@40tude.net,
"Foster" wrote:

> On Thu, 24 May 2012 11:14:52 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/12 10:54 AM, in article slrnjrsten.hfo.jedi RemoveThis @nomad.mishnet,
>> "JEDIDIAH" wrote:
>>
>>> On 2012-05-23, nessuno wrote:
>>>> My Mac laptop also get hot hot running skype.
>>>
>>> My last Mini got hot just from running. It eventually killed itself
>>> through
>>> overheating.
>>>
>>> My other remaining Minis don't do much better.
>>>
>>> Despite what the fanboys might try to say, Apple designs are
>>> inferior when it comes to dealing with heat and power management.
>>> Exposing any of that sort of thing might interfere with the whole
>>> "dumbing everything down" approach they like to take.
>>>
>>> [deletia]
>>
>> What are you talking about? Seriously... dumbing what down?
>
> Jedidiah is a dinosaur who has watched his "magical" cli skilss
> become mostly obsolete for the average user.
>
> He is still living in the past and considers GUI and clicking on
> icons to be dumbed down compared to typing something like:
>
> fiReFox-12.14.5-05.r1

If that is what he meant, though, OS X has a command line as well... but,
sure, for most users they do not even know it exists. The GUI is good
enough where it is, essentially, never needed.

>> Apple is very, very good at making products that serve people's needs (and
>> wants) very well - hence their very high user satisfaction ratings. This is
>> not "dumbing" down anything - it is showing a better understanding of the
>> need to focus on goals and getting stuff done and not on things which, by
>> themselves, have no real purpose such as "flexibility" and
>> "configurability". And before what I said get twisted, the phrase "by
>> themselves" is no meaningless.
>
> The Linux school of thought disagrees.
> They LOVE tinkering and playing around with their operating systems.
> It makes them feel superior.

Working with the computer becomes the goal - instead of getting work done
with a computer.

> Most folks however think of the computer as an applicance to perform
> work with and are far less interested in tinkering which is why you
> rarely see high levels of customization of Windows desktops on many
> people's systems.

Right: people want to get work done. Now customizations / options can help
with that - and that is fine. But this whole adding of options as a goal in
itself is absurd.

> The goal is to get the work done in the easiest fashion and not have
> to even deal with the computer other than to produce the output.

Exactly.

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GreyCloud · External Since: May 06, 2004 Posts: 922

On 5/24/2012 11:54 AM, JEDIDIAH wrote:
> On 2012-05-23, nessuno wrote:
>> My Mac laptop also get hot hot running skype.
>
> My last Mini got hot just from running. It eventually killed itself through overheating.
>
> My other remaining Minis don't do much better.
>
> Despite what the fanboys might try to say, Apple designs are
> inferior when it comes to dealing with heat and power management.
> Exposing any of that sort of thing might interfere with the whole
> "dumbing everything down" approach they like to take.
>
Still using the G5 series of minis?

Try the newer Intel minis. No different than your laptops.

GreyCloud · External Since: May 06, 2004 Posts: 922

On 5/24/2012 1:03 PM, Foster wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2012 11:14:52 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/12 10:54 AM, in article slrnjrsten.hfo.jedi.DeleteThis@nomad.mishnet,
>> "JEDIDIAH" wrote:
>>
>>> On 2012-05-23, nessuno wrote:
>>>> My Mac laptop also get hot hot running skype.
>>>
>>> My last Mini got hot just from running. It eventually killed itself through
>>> overheating.
>>>
>>> My other remaining Minis don't do much better.
>>>
>>> Despite what the fanboys might try to say, Apple designs are
>>> inferior when it comes to dealing with heat and power management.
>>> Exposing any of that sort of thing might interfere with the whole
>>> "dumbing everything down" approach they like to take.
>>>
>>> [deletia]
>>
>> What are you talking about? Seriously... dumbing what down?
>
> Jedidiah is a dinosaur who has watched his "magical" cli skilss
> become mostly obsolete for the average user.
>
> He is still living in the past and considers GUI and clicking on
> icons to be dumbed down compared to typing something like:
>
> fiReFox-12.14.5-05.r1
>
>
>> Apple is very, very good at making products that serve people's needs (and
>> wants) very well - hence their very high user satisfaction ratings. This is
>> not "dumbing" down anything - it is showing a better understanding of the
>> need to focus on goals and getting stuff done and not on things which, by
>> themselves, have no real purpose such as "flexibility" and
>> "configurability". And before what I said get twisted, the phrase "by
>> themselves" is no meaningless.
>
> The Linux school of thought disagrees.
> They LOVE tinkering and playing around with their operating systems.
> It makes them feel superior.
>
> Most folks however think of the computer as an applicance to perform
> work with and are far less interested in tinkering which is why you
> rarely see high levels of customization of Windows desktops on many
> people's systems.
>
> The goal is to get the work done in the easiest fashion and not have
> to even deal with the computer other than to produce the output.
>

All they do is recompile this or recompile that. They'll never just
download a binary that works. Other than that, they are frantically
trying to find a good job for their hobbyware. Very Happy

DFS · External Since: Feb 25, 2011 Posts: 781

On 5/24/2012 3:03 PM, Foster wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2012 11:14:52 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> On 5/24/12 10:54 AM, in article slrnjrsten.hfo.jedi.RemoveThis@nomad.mishnet,
>> "JEDIDIAH" wrote:
>>
>>> On 2012-05-23, nessuno wrote:
>>>> My Mac laptop also get hot hot running skype.
>>>
>>> My last Mini got hot just from running. It eventually killed itself through
>>> overheating.
>>>
>>> My other remaining Minis don't do much better.
>>>
>>> Despite what the fanboys might try to say, Apple designs are
>>> inferior when it comes to dealing with heat and power management.
>>> Exposing any of that sort of thing might interfere with the whole
>>> "dumbing everything down" approach they like to take.
>>>
>>> [deletia]
>>
>> What are you talking about? Seriously... dumbing what down?
>
> Jedidiah is a dinosaur who has watched his "magical" cli skilss
> become mostly obsolete for the average user.
>
> He is still living in the past and considers GUI and clicking on
> icons to be dumbed down compared to typing something like:
>
> fiReFox-12.14.5-05.r1

You put in some uppercase characters. Linux will fail, then puke
something on your shirt and giggle.

Foster · External Since: Nov 16, 2011 Posts: 452

On Thu, 24 May 2012 15:25:45 -0600, GreyCloud wrote:

> On 5/24/2012 1:03 PM, Foster wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 May 2012 11:14:52 -0700, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/24/12 10:54 AM, in article slrnjrsten.hfo.jedi.RemoveThis@nomad.mishnet,
>>> "JEDIDIAH" wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2012-05-23, nessuno wrote:
>>>>> My Mac laptop also get hot hot running skype.
>>>>
>>>> My last Mini got hot just from running. It eventually killed itself through
>>>> overheating.
>>>>
>>>> My other remaining Minis don't do much better.
>>>>
>>>> Despite what the fanboys might try to say, Apple designs are
>>>> inferior when it comes to dealing with heat and power management.
>>>> Exposing any of that sort of thing might interfere with the whole
>>>> "dumbing everything down" approach they like to take.
>>>>
>>>> [deletia]
>>>
>>> What are you talking about? Seriously... dumbing what down?
>>
>> Jedidiah is a dinosaur who has watched his "magical" cli skilss
>> become mostly obsolete for the average user.
>>
>> He is still living in the past and considers GUI and clicking on
>> icons to be dumbed down compared to typing something like:
>>
>> fiReFox-12.14.5-05.r1
>>
>>
>>> Apple is very, very good at making products that serve people's needs (and
>>> wants) very well - hence their very high user satisfaction ratings. This is
>>> not "dumbing" down anything - it is showing a better understanding of the
>>> need to focus on goals and getting stuff done and not on things which, by
>>> themselves, have no real purpose such as "flexibility" and
>>> "configurability". And before what I said get twisted, the phrase "by
>>> themselves" is no meaningless.
>>
>> The Linux school of thought disagrees.
>> They LOVE tinkering and playing around with their operating systems.
>> It makes them feel superior.
>>
>> Most folks however think of the computer as an applicance to perform
>> work with and are far less interested in tinkering which is why you
>> rarely see high levels of customization of Windows desktops on many
>> people's systems.
>>
>> The goal is to get the work done in the easiest fashion and not have
>> to even deal with the computer other than to produce the output.
>>
>
> All they do is recompile this or recompile that. They'll never just
> download a binary that works. Other than that, they are frantically
> trying to find a good job for their hobbyware. Very Happy

Yep.

Linux is mostly about tinkering.