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Sidney Lambe · External Since: Jul 05, 2009 Posts: 20

Daffy D <x666nl.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:24:54 +0200, Aragorn
><aragorn.TakeThisOut@chatfactory.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>
>><snip>
>
> If everyone is putting in their 2 cents....
>
> Even though it's a very wel put argument, I think that it just doesn't
> matter that much anymore...
>
> I've been using Unix/Linux (AIX/SCO/RH5/Caldera, with or without
> internet) waaaay before there was Win95 or worse, and still use Linux
> for every main server I have.
> While I do administer almost everything bij CLI, sometimes you just
> need a GUI (like browsing.. Lynx is just a bit too much of a pain....)
> or even Win (development...)

I have a GUI. I don't have anything like KDE. I run Linux from
the commandline and can run any application someone using KDE
or the like can, much faster, because my system resources are not being
used up by a massive suite of apps providing nothing but eye-candy
and the illusion of 'user-friendliness'. My OS is much more stable
more secure, too. Complexity leads to instability and insecurity.

It's also easier to maintain and modify.

> Same goes for the desktop.. If someone wants to learn how an OS works,
> fine, let them read up on it, good for them.
> But for the masses, they don't care about an OS, they just want to
> surf, watch video's, see pictures (nude or not Wink

) and do some word
> processing.

It takes as long to learn an artificial interface like KDE as it does
to learn the commandline, the basics of the shell and how the Linux
OS works.

And people who only know KDE or the like are dependent on people who
know the shell and the OS.

You are offering the same erroneous arguments that have been stated
already on this thread in a dozen different guises.

Technocratic propaganda.

General:

http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/howlinuxworks/
http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/From-PowerUp-To-Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.html
http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.tar.bz2
http://www.linuxpackages.net/howto/slackfiles/books/slackware-basics/h.../shell.
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-who-where-and-what
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-man-command
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-directory-manipulation
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-files-manipulation
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/6/bash-history-in-the-making
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/6/bash-use-your-local-bin
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ
http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html
http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-1052574.html
kind of odd "shell ninja" but lots of good info:
http://www.slideshare.net/brian_dailey/nyphp-march-2009-presentation
http://stat-www.berkeley.edu/classes/s243/bash.html
http://www.learnaboutlinux.net/blog/41-programming/50-bash-basics-1

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Sid

Daffy D. · External Since: Aug 25, 2005 Posts: 4

On 9 Jul 2009 12:08:52 +0200, Sidney Lambe
<sidneylambe DeleteThis @nospam.invalid> wrote:

>Daffy D <x666nl DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 08 Jul 2009 22:24:54 +0200, Aragorn
>><aragorn DeleteThis @chatfactory.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>><snip>
>>
>>
>
>I have a GUI. I don't have anything like KDE. I run Linux from
>the commandline and can run any application someone using KDE
>or the like can, much faster, because my system resources are not being
>used up by a massive suite of apps providing nothing but eye-candy
>and the illusion of 'user-friendliness'. My OS is much more stable
>more secure, too. Complexity leads to instability and insecurity.
>
>It's also easier to maintain and modify.

Modifying any working thing also leads to insecurity

>
>> Same goes for the desktop.. If someone wants to learn how an OS works,
>> fine, let them read up on it, good for them.
>> But for the masses, they don't care about an OS, they just want to
>> surf, watch video's, see pictures (nude or not Wink

) and do some word
>> processing.
>
>It takes as long to learn an artificial interface like KDE as it does
>to learn the commandline, the basics of the shell and how the Linux
>OS works.

CLI is also an artificial interface, a computer is artificial

>
>And people who only know KDE or the like are dependent on people who
>know the shell and the OS.
>
>You are offering the same erroneous arguments that have been stated
>already on this thread in a dozen different guises.

Analogy: You just ride your car of do you always strip away everything
that is not necesary to make it drive? Or fix everything that breaks
or let an "expert" fix it?
>
>Technocratic propaganda.

Neanderthale view of life
>
>General:
>
>http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/howlinuxworks/
>http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/From-PowerUp-To-Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.html
>http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.tar.bz2
>http://www.linuxpackages.net/howto/slackfiles/books/slackware-basics/html/shell.html
>http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-who-where-and-what
>http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-man-command
>http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-directory-manipulation
>http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-files-manipulation
>http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/6/bash-history-in-the-making
>http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/6/bash-use-your-local-bin
>http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ
>http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html
>http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
>http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-1052574.html
>kind of odd "shell ninja" but lots of good info:
>http://www.slideshare.net/brian_dailey/nyphp-march-2009-presentation
>http://stat-www.berkeley.edu/classes/s243/bash.html
>http://www.learnaboutlinux.net/blog/41-programming/50-bash-basics-1
>
>
>[delete]
>
>Sid

Ans please, skip the ad's

D.

Evergreen · External Since: Jul 09, 2009 Posts: 1

Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8 DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote:
> Sidney Lambe wrote (in part):
>
>> I have a GUI.
>
> Does your GUI run on top of the X Window System?

Where else? I have an x-server and a minimal window
manager and a mouse.

> Or do you provide something
> equivalent to it to support your GUI?

Just X.

> On my system, X is using about 36
> MBytes of virtual memory; actually, most of that is paged out and it is
> really using only about 7.5 meg of RAM. Some people might consider that
> massive. On my machine, though, that is only about 0.2% of the virtual memory.

On my system, X is only up when I need to use an X-app, and I use a
tiny-X server. The RAM usage is minimal unless the X-app needs a lot.

>> I don't have anything like KDE. I run Linux from
>> the commandline and can run any application someone using KDE
>> or the like can, much faster, because my system resources are not being
>> used up by a massive suite of apps providing nothing but eye-candy
>> and the illusion of 'user-friendliness'. My OS is much more stable
>> more secure, too. Complexity leads to instability and insecurity.
>
> GNOME and all the little eye candy (panel, icons, etc., are only taking 2.7%
> of my virtual address space.

There's a _lot_ more to it than that.

>>
>> It's also easier to maintain and modify.
>
> I have never even felt the need to maintain or modify GNOME and its related
> programs.

You haven't added or deleted applications or changed their configurations?

That would be very weird, if so.

I can't imagine being limited to only the apps that some geeks writing
a 'desktop environment' thought I should have.

>>
>> It takes as long to learn an artificial interface like KDE as it does
>> to learn the commandline, the basics of the shell and how the Linux
>> OS works.
>
> I had to learn the UNIX OS without any GUI stuff, because there was none in
> the early 1970s. I did not actively use a GUI until I got my first PC in
> 1996 that hat Windows 95 on it. The basics of that were kind-of trivial to
> learn, and I never managed to learn much of the rest. I abandoned that
> because of several factors:

Once again you are referring to a 'graphical desktop environment' as a GUI, and
that is inaccurate in the extreme.

GUIs have been around for 40 years. 'Graphical desktop environments' have
been around for about 15 and a lot less than that on Linux.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_graphical_user_interface

[delete]

I repeat: You can learn Linux, or you can learn a 'graphical desktop
environment' like KDE. Takes the same amount of time and those
who learn Linux have much more power and freedom and can use
a 'graphical desktop environment' without any problem because
they are, of necessity, dependent on the underlying operating
system.

The technocrats and the couch potatoes and office drones and
investors that support them want you to think that KDE and
the like _are_ Linux, but that isn't true at all.

Their user-friendliness is an illusion. Their purpose is
to keep you from learning Linux so that you will be dependent
on them and never know what you are missing.

http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/howlinuxworks/
http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/From-PowerUp-To-Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.html
http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.tar.bz2
http://www.linuxpackages.net/howto/slackfiles/books/slackware-basics/html/shell.
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-who-where-and-what
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-man-command
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-directory-manipulation
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-files-manipulation
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/6/bash-history-in-the-making
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/6/bash-use-your-local-bin
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ
http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html
http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-1052574.html
kind of odd "shell ninja" but lots of good info:
http://www.slideshare.net/brian_dailey/nyphp-march-2009-presentation
http://stat-www.berkeley.edu/classes/s243/bash.html
http://www.learnaboutlinux.net/blog/41-programming/50-bash-basics-1
http://linux.about.com/cs/glossaries/a/aglossary.htm
http://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Dictionary/

Sid

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Sidney Lambe · External Since: Jul 05, 2009 Posts: 20

The Natural Philosopher <tnp DeleteThis @invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Jean-David Beyer wrote:

[delete off-topic ramblings --I think they are doing it on
purpose because they don't want these ideas to get around]

Windows-clone user interfaces, Graphical Desktop Environments (GDE)
like KDE are funded by a group of corporations in order to divorce
Linux runners from Linux. To turn us into ignorant appliance operators
who are dependent on their hired geeks and tech-support flunkies.

It takes just as long to learn to use KDE as it does to learn Linux,
and you are then limited to what the corporate geeks who maintain KDE
want you to do, and how they want you to do it.

Don't confuse a GUI with a GDE. They aren't the same thing at all.
A GDE is just a group of applications running on top of a GUI.

I run Linux and use a GUI when I need to run graphical applications,
but I don't have anything like KDE on my box. Yet I can run any
application someone using KDE can.

My OS is much simpler and easier to manage and customize, and
more stable and faster and more secure than those of people
who use GDEs.

Don't let the technocrats (and all of their sockpuppets) confuse
you or mislead you. Running Linux directly, from the commandline,
is easy and fun, and it's the path to power and freedom in this
arena.

Do a little studying and playing with the commandline,
and when you run into problems, you can find help here and
on other Linux forums.

There are a _lot_ of real Linux runners out here.

Just Say No to the corporate geeks who are trying to turn
Linux into a clone of Windows.

http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/howlinuxworks/
http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/From-PowerUp-To-Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.html
http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.tar.bz2
http://www.linuxpackages.net/howto/slackfiles/books/slackware-basics/html/shell.
html
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-who-where-and-what
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-man-command
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-directory-manipulation
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-files-manipulation
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/6/bash-history-in-the-making
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/6/bash-use-your-local-bin
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ
http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html
http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-1052574.html
kind of odd "shell ninja" but lots of good info:
http://www.slideshare.net/brian_dailey/nyphp-march-2009-presentation
http://stat-www.berkeley.edu/classes/s243/bash.html
http://www.learnaboutlinux.net/blog/41-programming/50-bash-basics-1
http://linux.about.com/cs/glossaries/a/aglossary.htm
http://tldp.org/LDP/Linux-Dictionary/

Sid

terryc · External Since: Jan 15, 2009 Posts: 10

On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:02:32 +0200, Sidney Lambe wrote:

> The Natural Philosopher <tnp.TakeThisOut@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>
> [delete off-topic ramblings --I think they are doing it on purpose
> because they don't want these ideas to get around]
>
> Windows-clone user interfaces, Graphical Desktop Environments (GDE) like
> KDE are funded by a group of corporations in order to divorce Linux
> runners from Linux.

What about the other guis?

Daffy D. · External Since: Aug 25, 2005 Posts: 4

On 10 Jul 2009 03:20:56 +0200, Sidney Lambe
<sidneylambe.TakeThisOut@nospam.invalid> wrote:

<skipping the dribble..>

Let just stop feeding the trolls, they've had enough

D.

The Natural Philosopher · External Since: Jul 06, 2009 Posts: 10

terryc wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:02:32 +0200, Sidney Lambe wrote:
>
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp DeleteThis @invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>> [delete off-topic ramblings --I think they are doing it on purpose
>> because they don't want these ideas to get around]
>>
>> Windows-clone user interfaces, Graphical Desktop Environments (GDE) like
>> KDE are funded by a group of corporations in order to divorce Linux
>> runners from Linux.
>
> What about the other guis?

Indeed. I actually use Gnome on THIS machine simply because that's what
the default Debian desktop is.

It seems to more or less work without crashing too often. It suits some
of what I do.

Sometimes its vi and a terminal screen. (I got back a LONG way with
Unix..first Unix I saw was on a PDP/11..cross compiling C code and
assembler for a 6809 based digital oscilloscope) I am not limited to
either though.

Sidney Lambe · External Since: Jul 05, 2009 Posts: 20

terryc <newssevenspam-spam.DeleteThis@woa.com.au> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:02:32 +0200, Sidney Lambe wrote:
>
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp.DeleteThis@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Jean-David Beyer wrote:
>>
>> [delete off-topic ramblings --I think they are doing it on purpose
>> because they don't want these ideas to get around]
>>
>> Windows-clone user interfaces, Graphical Desktop Environments (GDE) like
>> KDE are funded by a group of corporations in order to divorce Linux
>> runners from Linux.
>
> What about the other guis?

KDE isn't a GUI, it's a GDE. It's a group of applications that
runs _in_ a GUI. I run a GUI when I need to use graphical X applications.
I don't run a GDE of any kind. I run Linux from the commandline, whether
I'm using X or not.

A GDE is a GDE. They all have the same purpose: The illusion of user-
friendliness that conceals a technocratic desire to control the user
by making them dependent on technical support and the mainainers of
the GDE in question by keeping him/her ignorant of how Linux really
works.

Linux worked just fine without any GDEs for a long time. It still
does. The corporations have spent tens of millions of dollars
creating KDE because they plan to make a lot more back by turning
Linux runners into clones of Windows runners.

Sid

B Sellers · External Since: Jul 05, 2009 Posts: 4

Sidney Lambe wrote:
> Allen Kistler <ackistler DeleteThis @oohay.moc> wrote:
>
> [delete]

snip your usual ignorance you multi aliased troll
>
> Sid
>

You are so ridiculous.