Having Trouble with Protools and Linux.

win.girl · External Since: Apr 30, 2006 Posts: 1

Hello group!
I just upgraded my PC to Suse Linux, from Windows XP Professional and I
am having some problems installing my Protools software.
In fact I am having troubles installing Microsoft Office, Waves Native
Power Pack and also Garritan Jazz band along with iZotope and my cheese
standby the BBE Sonic Maximizer (don't Laugh!!).
I am new to Linux but from what I have read it replaces Windows, and it
kind of looks like Windows but I can't seem to get any of my Windows
programs to install.
Even Nuendo won't work even though I have the USB key in the machine.
Any help will be much appreciated since I have had to cancel 2 sessions
today because my DAW is in the tank.

Cyberwasteland · External Since: Aug 18, 2005 Posts: 67

win.girl.DeleteThis@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hello group!
> I just upgraded my PC to Suse Linux, from Windows XP Professional and I
> am having some problems installing my Protools software.
> In fact I am having troubles installing Microsoft Office, Waves Native
> Power Pack and also Garritan Jazz band along with iZotope and my cheese
> standby the BBE Sonic Maximizer (don't Laugh!!).
> I am new to Linux but from what I have read it replaces Windows, and it
> kind of looks like Windows but I can't seem to get any of my Windows
> programs to install.

Where did you read anything that said you could natively run Pro Tools
for Windows on Linux?

> Even Nuendo won't work even though I have the USB key in the machine.
> Any help will be much appreciated since I have had to cancel 2 sessions
> today because my DAW is in the tank.

You replaced your production system with an operating system you know
nothing about?
Not exactly a brilliant move.

I'm smelling (yet another) troll from our Yahoo Linux-hating COLA
patron... posting via a proxy out of Colombia no less - which is very
fitting.

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Paul Hovnanian P.E. · External Since: Sep 29, 2004 Posts: 69

win.girl DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Thanks for the prompt reply. Will I be able to get sub 5msec latancy
> with these programs like I used to get with Windows?

Which measure of latency are you referring to? Preemption, interrupt or
context switching latency?

On Linux systems (1GHz and up), these figures are measured in
microseconds, not milliseconds.

> I down loaded a vmware thing from Suse but I can't seem to find it and
> I have no idea how to start or run the thing.
>
> Why can't Suse just put an icon on the desktop like Windows does?
> Do they expect me to guess what command runs the program?

Because icons are for morons who don't understand things like latency.

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Mr. Tapeguy · External Since: Jan 02, 2006 Posts: 3

win.girl.DeleteThis@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hello group!
> I just upgraded my PC to Suse Linux, from Windows XP Professional and I
> am having some problems installing my Protools software.
> In fact I am having troubles installing Microsoft Office, Waves Native
> Power Pack and also Garritan Jazz band along with iZotope and my cheese
> standby the BBE Sonic Maximizer (don't Laugh!!).
> I am new to Linux but from what I have read it replaces Windows, and it
> kind of looks like Windows but I can't seem to get any of my Windows
> programs to install.
> Even Nuendo won't work even though I have the USB key in the machine.
> Any help will be much appreciated since I have had to cancel 2 sessions
> today because my DAW is in the tank.

It appears the very basic nature of some of the assumptions you may
have made have led others to question the sincerity of your inquiry.

Assuming you're authentic, it's already been pointed out that Windows
programs only run own Windows. Likewise, Mac programs run on Mac and
Linux programs run on Linux. Some programs are cross-platform but that
means different code for each different OS. Just because hardware may
run more than one OS does not mean an application written for one will
run on the other without emulation software.

Even then, processor-intensive applications are usually not best under
emulation. For starters it's slow and it's still a workaround
considering the hardware. You're not going to get the best performance
and there are usually miscommunications between the hardware and
software somewhere along the line. We have typically advised people in
the past not to run, for instance, Adobe Photoshop for Windows using
Virtual PC on a Mac when you can get Photoshop for Mac and have a more
satisfactory experience; Virutal PC itself, while certainly stable,
uses enough of the processing power of the machine as it is.

You might be able to get some functionality using a Windows emulator on
Linux but for a program such as Nuendo, you would be much better off
sticking with Windows. I'm assuming your experience with Windows
wasn't THAT awful but correct me if I'm wrong. If you're stuck on
Nuendo but don't like Windows I'd suggest trying Pro Tools and a Mac.
If you're OK with Windows then you should go back to Windows to run Pro
Tools. If you just want to go to Linux then you'll have to rely on one
of our esteemed Linux advocates to recommend an application for Linux
that is functionally comparable to Pro Tools but my admittedly
uneducated guess is that there isn't one...not Pro Tools, not Nuendo,
not Logic and not any other the other well-established industry
standard multitrack applications I'm aware of.

The same will be true of applications such as Microsoft Office,
although there are functional word processing and e-mail applications
that will do fine. I'm not sure about applications such as Powerpoint.

Before you invest in a new OS if you're counting on using the software
you already own, be sure and check the system requirements before
taking the leap.

If the other guys are right and you're just pulling everyone's chain,
you can also go stick it where the sun don't shine. I'll reserve
judgment.

Craig

Mr. Tapeguy · External Since: Jan 02, 2006 Posts: 3

Mr. Tapeguy wrote:

>
> You might be able to get some functionality using a Windows emulator on
> Linux but for a program such as Nuendo, you would be much better off
> sticking with Windows. I'm assuming your experience with Windows
> wasn't THAT awful but correct me if I'm wrong. If you're stuck on
> Nuendo but don't like Windows I'd suggest trying Pro Tools and a Mac.
> If you're OK with Windows then you should go back to Windows to run Pro
> Tools. If you just want to go to Linux then you'll have to rely on one
> of our esteemed Linux advocates to recommend an application for Linux
> that is functionally comparable to Pro Tools but my admittedly
> uneducated guess is that there isn't one...not Pro Tools, not Nuendo,
> not Logic and not any other the other well-established industry
> standard multitrack applications I'm aware of.
>

Sorry, I meant Pro Tools, not Nuendo, although obviously it applies to
either.

Craig

Rebel Lion · External Since: Apr 26, 2006 Posts: 4

On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 15:35:17 -0700, win.girl wrote:

>
> Thanks for the prompt reply. Will I be able to get sub 5msec latancy
> with these programs like I used to get with Windows?
>
> I down loaded a vmware thing from Suse but I can't seem to find it and
> I have no idea how to start or run the thing.
>
> Why can't Suse just put an icon on the desktop like Windows does?
> Do they expect me to guess what command runs the program?
>
>

In order to find the vmware icon on your suse computer that you took xp
off you actually need to use it. Rather than the XP system you are
actually using

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1;

Mathew P. · External Since: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 277

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Romeo Rondeau · External Since: May 01, 2006 Posts: 6

>> Thanks for the prompt reply. Will I be able to get sub 5msec latancy
>> with these programs like I used to get with Windows?
>
> Which measure of latency are you referring to? Preemption, interrupt or
> context switching latency?
>
> On Linux systems (1GHz and up), these figures are measured in
> microseconds, not milliseconds.

He's talking about audio throughput latency and it is measured in
milliseconds... on any OS.

>
>> I down loaded a vmware thing from Suse but I can't seem to find it and
>> I have no idea how to start or run the thing.
>>
>> Why can't Suse just put an icon on the desktop like Windows does?
>> Do they expect me to guess what command runs the program?
>
> Because icons are for morons who don't understand things like latency.

You don't anderstand it either, obviously. But the real point here is don't
feed the troll.

NONE · External Since: May 01, 2006 Posts: 1

i do wish pro tools ran on linux. does anyone know of a way to get
their hardware functioning (obviously without the software) maybe an
alsa driver for it or something.

win.girl.DeleteThis@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hello group!
> I just upgraded my PC to Suse Linux, from Windows XP Professional and I
> am having some problems installing my Protools software.
> In fact I am having troubles installing Microsoft Office, Waves Native
> Power Pack and also Garritan Jazz band along with iZotope and my cheese
> standby the BBE Sonic Maximizer (don't Laugh!!).
> I am new to Linux but from what I have read it replaces Windows, and it
> kind of looks like Windows but I can't seem to get any of my Windows
> programs to install.
> Even Nuendo won't work even though I have the USB key in the machine.
> Any help will be much appreciated since I have had to cancel 2 sessions
> today because my DAW is in the tank.

Grant Edwards · External Since: Jun 08, 2004 Posts: 1270

On 2006-04-30, win.girl.DeleteThis@yahoo.com <win.girl.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello group!

Goodby Troll!

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Paul Hovnanian P.E. · External Since: Sep 29, 2004 Posts: 69

Romeo Rondeau wrote:
>
> >> Thanks for the prompt reply. Will I be able to get sub 5msec latancy
> >> with these programs like I used to get with Windows?
> >
> > Which measure of latency are you referring to? Preemption, interrupt or
> > context switching latency?
> >
> > On Linux systems (1GHz and up), these figures are measured in
> > microseconds, not milliseconds.
>
> He's talking about audio throughput latency and it is measured in
> milliseconds... on any OS.

'win.girl' is a he?

BTW, this is posted on 'comp.os....' newsgroups. Latency has a different
meaning here. And we measure it in microseconds.

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Romeo Rondeau · External Since: May 01, 2006 Posts: 6

> 'win.girl' is a he?

Yes. Smile

>
> BTW, this is posted on 'comp.os....' newsgroups. Latency has a different
> meaning here. And we measure it in microseconds.

That's a totally different context.

Grant Edwards · External Since: Jun 08, 2004 Posts: 1270

On 2006-05-01, Paul Hovnanian P.E. <Paul.DeleteThis@Hovnanian.com> wrote:

>> He's talking about audio throughput latency and it is measured in
>> milliseconds... on any OS.

> BTW, this is posted on 'comp.os....' newsgroups. Latency has a different
> meaning here.

No it doesn't. Latency is the time lag between two events
(generally where the latter event is caused by the former
event).

> And we measure it in microseconds.

For things like interrupt latency, we do. There are hundreds
of other latencies in a system. Some of are nanoseconds, some
are microseconds, milliseconds, or even seconds.

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Paul Hovnanian P.E. · External Since: Sep 29, 2004 Posts: 69

Grant Edwards wrote:
>
> On 2006-05-01, Paul Hovnanian P.E. <Paul.RemoveThis@Hovnanian.com> wrote:
>
> >> He's talking about audio throughput latency and it is measured in
> >> milliseconds... on any OS.
>
> > BTW, this is posted on 'comp.os....' newsgroups. Latency has a different
> > meaning here.
>
> No it doesn't. Latency is the time lag between two events
> (generally where the latter event is caused by the former
> event).
>
> > And we measure it in microseconds.
>
> For things like interrupt latency, we do. There are hundreds
> of other latencies in a system. Some of are nanoseconds, some
> are microseconds, milliseconds, or even seconds.

Which is why one must be specific when cross-posting to several
newsgroups.

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Linonut · External Since: Mar 31, 2006 Posts: 3492

After takin' a swig o' grog, flatfish+++ belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> On Wed, 03 May 2006 10:46:07 -0500, Linonut wrote:
>
>> After takin' a swig o' grog, flatfish+++ belched out this bit o' wisdom:
>>
>>> The short answer is :Linux does NOTHING (except maybe Office) that you
>>> need as an audio engineer.
>>> You will never get the low latency and features that you get from Windows
>>> or OSX with Linux and your time will be consumed trying to make Linux do
>>> what you need it to do.
>>
>> The above is mostly bullshit.
>
> Since you seem to be the expert, now you can tell us how to do it.
> Please include details and oh BTW I am using Suse 10.x
> Thank you.

I don't need to tell you how to "do it". There is no "it" in what you
said.

I merely believe that you can get very low latency (having posted
benchmarks from others that you choose to ignore), and I believe you can
do a fair amount of audio work with Linux.

> Maybe, but now that depends upon your answer doesn't it.
>
> Once thing you might want to be aware of is that with most Windows DAW
> programs, you move a slider to adjust latency.
> Real tough stuff.

Why the hell would you depend on a user app to minimize latency?

> Now, how does one get sub 6 msec latency with Linux and say a Delta 1010
> card?
>
> You're the expert.

No, I'm not. As I've noted, you can find the requisite benchmarks.

> Go to to it tiger.

No. I want to see you googoo for it. You're the expert, not me.
Prove you can get sub-6-ms latency on no Linux system.

If you can't figure out, ask Korg about it.

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flatfish+++ · External Since: Dec 12, 2004 Posts: 2793

On Thu, 04 May 2006 04:47:39 +0000, Jim wrote:

>
>> So how many professional studios are using Linux?
>>
>>
>>
>
> want me to name two right off the bat?
>
> Earache Records (now defunct due to financial fiddling)
>
> URN
>
> Have a nice day.

So in effect you found one..
I know one as well, so we are back to 2.
And BTW I mean using Linux to do the DAW part (ie:Nuendo, Protools etc)
not as a server farm backing up the data or online systems etc.

I know plenty of studios running Linux in that capacity.

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Linonut · External Since: Mar 31, 2006 Posts: 3492

After takin' a swig o' grog, flatfish+++ belched out this bit o' wisdom:

> You're dancing now Linonut.
> The title says Protools, which is a high end audio recording application
> and my post is in keeping with the context of that title.

If I'm dancing, it is by accident. Sorry.

> IOW I don't care how long it takes your little bits and bytes to circulate
> around a somewhat bloated kernel, it's all GIGO to me.
>
> I move a slider and the latency is adjusted accordingly and I can get very
> low latencies easily.
> No kernel compile required (hint hint!)

Hint: you've been over this ground before, and are ignoring what you
were told.

>> What I would prefer to see is a giant matrix of
>> scenarios/tasks/constraints by audio adapter. I'd expect the Windows
>> one to be fairly full of checkmarks, but I would not expect the Linux
>> one to be nearly empty.
>
> You're all over the place now Linonut.
>
> This is a very simple concept.
> Windows does it easily, today and now.
> Linux?
> I'm sure it can be done, but easily?
> No way.

It would really help if you clarify what "it" is. Instead you flatulate
a cloud into the air so that no one can grapple with your argument,
whatever it is.

MIDI looks easy to me, in Linux.

Editing waveforms looks pretty easy to me, in Linux.

Mixing waveforms looks pretty easy to me, in Linux.

Configuring apps to use multiple sound cards seems fairly easy to me, in
Linux.

What you seem to be complaining about is more advanced functionality
provided by Windows-based tools. That, I could agree with -- if I knew
more about the tools on both platforms.

But it does sound <get it?> to me like Linux and open-source has the
basic functionality pretty well covered.

> Also each independent application, say Soundforge and Sonar, can have
> their own latencies running at the same time.
> That is why the applications control it.

You are clearing up some of the static for me <grin>.

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Jim · External Since: Apr 21, 2005 Posts: 996

flatfish+++ wrote:
> On Thu, 04 May 2006 04:47:39 +0000, Jim wrote:
>
>
>>>So how many professional studios are using Linux?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>want me to name two right off the bat?
>>
>>Earache Records (now defunct due to financial fiddling)
>>
>>URN
>>
>>Have a nice day.
>
>
> So in effect you found one..
> I know one as well, so we are back to 2.
> And BTW I mean using Linux to do the DAW part (ie:Nuendo, Protools etc)
> not as a server farm backing up the data or online systems etc.
>
> I know plenty of studios running Linux in that capacity.
>

URN uses Linux in realtime studio mixing; they're a radio station run by
and for the students at the University of Nottingham. Earache used Linux
in the studio, also for postprocessing and downmixing.

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thad01 · External Since: Apr 20, 2005 Posts: 812

In comp.os.linux.advocacy flatfish+++ <flatfish.TakeThisOut@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> This is a very simple concept.
> Windows does it easily, today and now.
> Linux?
> I'm sure it can be done, but easily?
> No way.

This is not what you were saying earlier... you essentially said Linux
could not be used in this capacity at all. Yes, Linux requires more
work up front. The question is, do you gain something extra for that
work and is it worth it. The answer depends on your specific needs.
For a subset of uber-geeky audiophiles, the answer is 'yes'.

> Somewhat correct.
> The amount of buffers effects the latency, but there are trade offs
> depending upon the OS AS WELL as the program and the hardware as well.
> IOW you may get 6 msec with Nuendo but only 10 with Sonar (made up numbers).
>
> Also each independent application, say Soundforge and Sonar, can have
> their own latencies running at the same time.
> That is why the applications control it.
>
> The soundcard is profiled during the setup of the program and it
> determines the amount of latency that is suggested, and this default
> number is generally a very low value especially with ASIO drivers.

This is essentially how it works in Linux also. The OS layer passes
the data blazingly fast. Any real delay is caused by buffering in
the application layer.

> It depends.
> But again you are all over the place.
>
> You are talking theory, and I am talking here today, and doing it NOW.

Actually, having built audio/video editing environments on both
Windows and Linux, I don't think Windows is really out front on
this one. On Windows the apps were well development, but I spent
too much time fighting the OS to get reliable performance. On
Linux the OS gave fast, consistant performance, but the apps were
not as developed. Of course with the Mac I just plunked in Final
Cut Pro, Garage Band, etc and got to work.

More recently, their are new Linux distros geared specifically
toward making multimedia work easier. You can supposedly just
boot of the CD and go to work. I have not tried it, so anyone
who has, throw your experiences into the COLA blender. Smile

Later,

Thad

thestudio · Joined: Nov 07, 2008 Posts: 1

I can tell you this as a production engineer for a major network company.
Pro-Tools is (or was) designed to work only with Mac.
However due to demand, it had to be written into MS somehow.
I too, in my own time experimenting to find an alternative, after long usage of PT, find it reasonably difficult to find an alternative.
I have been in radio for just on 20yrs, and still think 2-track!
So, my advice is, lets all work together for a work around/ new!
I have only just assembled a new (not this bloody laptop!) machine to try the challenge of getting something that works as good with Linux.
Sure I have Cool Edit (Audition) and others, but after years in the industry Im curious, and up for the challenge.
Lets fly with that, and we all have a go at creating something that works.
Better.
Lets face it, they all have their faults.
But you cannot beat non-destructive recording, something Pro-Tools proved.
Theres nothing worse than walking up to a DJ and saying "sorry...I know it was the best yet, but could you do that again!"
Ask Mr. King! Yeah right!
You get it right once.
The only problem we have these days is not tape, but disk failure...
Back it up always.

Peace.
CDNZ