Sven Luther

Robert Millan · External Since: Jun 17, 2005 Posts: 555

Hi folks,

Sven (CCed) asked me if I could do something to get his ban lifted on
debian-powerpc as has happened on ocaml-list before. It is my understanding
that Sven is actively participating in debian-powerpc efforts, and so it would
be nice if he could write to this list as well.

The listmasters required that some discussion be held, and once finished they
be pointed at it, so they can decide wether to lift it or not.

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Børge_Holen · External Since: Mar 07, 2006 Posts: 50

OMG this is still an issue.!.
You can praise yer bloddy moms for not living nearby, I would smack the whole
lot of you.
Bollocks!

On Sunday 22 July 2007 11:44, Robert Millan wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Sven (CCed) asked me if I could do something to get his ban lifted on
> debian-powerpc as has happened on ocaml-list before. It is my
> understanding that Sven is actively participating in debian-powerpc
> efforts, and so it would be nice if he could write to this list as well.
>
> The listmasters required that some discussion be held, and once finished
> they be pointed at it, so they can decide wether to lift it or not.
>
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Charles Plessy · External Since: May 22, 2005 Posts: 371

Le Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 11:44:08AM +0200, Robert Millan a écrit :
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Sven (CCed) asked me if I could do something to get his ban lifted on
> debian-powerpc

Hi,

I am very surprised of this ban as it was never announced. The
explanations from the listmasters clearly state that the filter is to
prevent Sven to post on on debian-project. Of course, banning him on all
lists fullfies this purpose, but I think that in that case the wording
would be really unappropriate.

http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/05/msg00234.html

For this reason I support the lifting of the ban on -powerpc.

Actually, in the above mail, it is said that the ban should have been
lifted within a few days. This would be the thing to do in my opinion.
Requesting public judgement on a person who is not allowed to answer
seems to me unfair and unwise. And off-topic.

Have a nice day,

(CC Sven as well... Bonne journée)

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Peter Teunissen · External Since: Jul 22, 2007 Posts: 1

On 22-jul-2007, at 12:20, Charles Plessy wrote:

> Le Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 11:44:08AM +0200, Robert Millan a écrit :
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Sven (CCed) asked me if I could do something to get his ban lifted on
>> debian-powerpc
>
> Hi,
>
> I am very surprised of this ban as it was never announced. The
> explanations from the listmasters clearly state that the filter is to
> prevent Sven to post on on debian-project. Of course, banning him
> on all
> lists fullfies this purpose, but I think that in that case the wording
> would be really unappropriate.
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/05/msg00234.html
>
> For this reason I support the lifting of the ban on -powerpc.
>
>
I know Sven form the debian lists to be a very knowledgable debian
developer and participant on the powerpc branch. There has been some
very disputable infighting on wich I was unable and unwiling to 'take
sides' since _both_ sides showed annoying behavior that only helped
to fuel the fight. If any 'banning' should follow from that period, a
whole bunch of debian devs would have to banned which seems
rediculous to me.

I see no reason to ban Sven completely from any debian lists and vote
for the ban to be lifted.

my 2 c.

Peter

Rick Thomas · External Since: Nov 10, 2004 Posts: 192

Sven could be a useful participant in future powerpc support, if
allowed, as he has in the past.

I am not a Debian Developer, for lack of time to devote to the
project, but I am very concerned about the deterioration in powerpc
support. Allowing Sven to participate would be a step toward
correcting that problem.

Rick

On Jul 22, 2007, at 5:44 AM, Robert Millan wrote:

>
> Hi folks,
>
> something to get his ban lifted on debian-powerpc

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Mike Hore · External Since: Mar 05, 2007 Posts: 22

Hi folks,

I'm fairly new to Debian and this list, and I don't even know what all
this is about, but I'm involved in various other mailing lists which
sometimes have quite heated discussion, so let me just make a couple of
points:

** If a list is moderated, the usual procedure is to stop discussion of
a particular controversial topic. An individual is only blocked for
spamming or the like. This list isn't moderated so subject-level
blocking wasn't available, still, the blocking of an individual seems
*extremely* drastic.

** The "ban" announcement
http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/05/msg00234.html
makes it clear that others besides Sven were involved, and it was only
intended to be temporary till tempers cooled. It's been nearly 2 months
now.

So IMHO the ban (if it ever should have been applied) should end ASAP.

Cheers, Mike.

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Gregory Seidman · External Since: Apr 28, 2005 Posts: 7

On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 05:26:55PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Peter Teunissen (lists@onemanifest.net) wrote:
> > I see no reason to ban Sven completely from any debian lists and vote for
> > the ban to be lifted.
>
> Yea, that's nice. If you want to discuss Sven and his ban or whatever,
> take it up on an appropriate list (ie: not this one). The people who
> can do something about it, if there's something to be done, probably
> aren't even *on* this list. All you're doing is annoying those people
> who *are* on this list.
>
> Go talk to the listmasters about it.

Please read the original post that started this thread:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2007/07/msg00090.html

> Thanks,
> Stephen
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Robert Millan · External Since: Jun 17, 2005 Posts: 555

On Sun, Jul 22, 2007 at 05:26:55PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Peter Teunissen (lists@onemanifest.net) wrote:
> > I see no reason to ban Sven completely from any debian lists and vote for
> > the ban to be lifted.
>
> Yea, that's nice. If you want to discuss Sven and his ban or whatever,
> take it up on an appropriate list (ie: not this one). The people who
> can do something about it, if there's something to be done, probably
> aren't even *on* this list. All you're doing is annoying those people
> who *are* on this list.
>
> Go talk to the listmasters about it.

Hi Stephen,

I did. As said in the other mail:

> > The listmasters required that some discussion be held, and once finished they
> > be pointed at it, so they can decide wether to lift it or not.

If you're bothered about this discussion, it's easy to setup a filter to skip
it completely (e.g. by Subject:).

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Gunther Furtado · External Since: Jul 23, 2007 Posts: 2

2007/7/22, Robert Millan <rmh.DeleteThis@aybabtu.com>:
>
> The listmasters required that some discussion be held, and once finished they
> be pointed at it, so they can decide wether to lift it or not.
>

As I understand it, this is a question from the listmasters to the
list. So as an user/member of the list my answer is yes, I think Sven
must stay/return.

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Simon Vallet · External Since: Apr 17, 2004 Posts: 18

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:44:08 +0200
Robert Millan <rmh RemoveThis @aybabtu.com> wrote:

> Sven (CCed) asked me if I could do something to get his ban lifted on
> debian-powerpc as has happened on ocaml-list before. It is my understanding
> that Sven is actively participating in debian-powerpc efforts, and so it would
> be nice if he could write to this list as well.
>
> The listmasters required that some discussion be held, and once finished they
> be pointed at it, so they can decide wether to lift it or not.

Well, as a PPC user, I think Sven has been very helpful on
debian-powerpc, and for the Debian PowerPC port in general. I don't
particularly want to know who's the bad guy and who's the good one:
this whole banning thing has IMO only had negative impacts.

I vote for this silly ban to get lifted.

Simon

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Gunther Furtado · External Since: Jul 23, 2007 Posts: 2

2007/7/23, Gunther Furtado <gunzera0.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.br>:
> 2007/7/22, Robert Millan <rmh.TakeThisOut@aybabtu.com>:
> As I understand it, this is a question from the listmasters to the
> list. So as an user/member of the list my answer is yes, I think Sven
> must stay/return.
>

I think I was not clear:

I think that the ban must be lifted!

sorry!

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Rick Thomas · External Since: Nov 10, 2004 Posts: 192

On Jul 22, 2007, at 5:44 AM, Robert Millan wrote:

>
> The listmasters required that some discussion be held, and once
> finished they
> be pointed at it, so they can decide wether to lift it or not.

Robert,

I think you can report to the listmasters that a discussion has been
held, and the opinion of those who participated in the discussion was
whole-heartedly that Sven should no longer be banned.

Perhaps, now we can put this whole issue behind us and get on with
the work we came here to do!

Rick

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sa9k063 · External Since: Jul 23, 2007 Posts: 1

Hi,

i guess its futile to search for someone being guilty. probably
everybody involved has had bad days writing emails.

since this ban happened, the amount of ppc machines running debian i
mostly install for friends has dropped to zero, leaving only a single
one of my own machines running debian-powerpc.

i would like to see this childish ban removed.

my 2 ct,

teefour

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Otavio Salvador · External Since: Dec 01, 2004 Posts: 622

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Robert Millan <rmh.DeleteThis@aybabtu.com> writes:

> Hi folks,
>
> Sven (CCed) asked me if I could do something to get his ban lifted on
> debian-powerpc as has happened on ocaml-list before. It is my understanding
> that Sven is actively participating in debian-powerpc efforts, and so it would
> be nice if he could write to this list as well.

I do second his ban removal from debian-powerpc mailing list.

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Robert Millan · External Since: Jun 17, 2005 Posts: 555

On Mon, Jul 23, 2007 at 05:07:10PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:
>
> On Jul 22, 2007, at 5:44 AM, Robert Millan wrote:
>
> >
> >The listmasters required that some discussion be held, and once
> >finished they
> >be pointed at it, so they can decide wether to lift it or not.
>
> Robert,
>
> I think you can report to the listmasters that a discussion has been
> held, and the opinion of those who participated in the discussion was
> whole-heartedly that Sven should no longer be banned.

Done.

> Perhaps, now we can put this whole issue behind us and get on with
> the work we came here to do!

Hope so Smile

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