Sun's OpenJDK in Debian?

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Jens Seidel
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Since: Nov 20, 2004
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:50 pm Post subject: Sun's OpenJDK in Debian? Archived from groups: linux>debian>maint>java (more info?)

Hi, I'm surprised that this wasn't discussed already in the past on this list (or in the BTS of some important java packages), but what is the status of Sun's Java architecture in Debian? It is licensed under GPL2 and should be compatible with DFSG. As far as I know only a few components are not yet freely available, especially all which are subject to the Assembly Exception (http://openjdk.java.net/legal/exception-modules-2007-05-08.html, http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/faq.jsp). Is this the main blocker for accepting OpenJDK in Debian? Would it be possible to just omit the binary modules or to replace these with free implementations from other free projects? Please CC: me. Jens -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-REQUEST DeleteThis @lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster DeleteThis @lists.debian.org

Michael Koch
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Since: Feb 18, 2005
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: Sun's OpenJDK in Debian? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Sat, Jun 09, 2007 at 10:12:55PM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote: > Hi, > > I'm surprised that this wasn't discussed already in the past on this list > (or in the BTS of some important java packages), but what is the status > of Sun's Java architecture in Debian? > > It is licensed under GPL2 and should be compatible with DFSG. > > As far as I know only a few components are not yet freely available, > especially all which are subject to the Assembly Exception > (http://openjdk.java.net/legal/exception-modules-2007-05-08.html, > http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/faq.jsp). > > Is this the main blocker for accepting OpenJDK in Debian? Would it be > possible to just omit the binary modules or to replace these with free > implementations from other free projects? Yes, this is a big blocker for this. We are working on icedtea, a temporary fork of openjdk, which tries to replace the the closed source parts. This is mainly discussed on the openjdk mailing lists and on IRC. Michael -- .''`. \| Michael Koch <konqueror.RemoveThis@gmx.de> : :' : \| Free Java Developer <http://www.classpath.org> `. `' \| `- \| 1024D/BAC5 4B28 D436 95E6 F2E0 BD11 5923 A008 2763 483B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-REQUEST.RemoveThis@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster.RemoveThis@lists.debian.org

Mark Wielaard
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Since: Aug 14, 2005
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:10 am Post subject: Re: Sun's OpenJDK in Debian? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Sat, 2007-06-09 at 22:50 +0200, Michael Koch wrote: > > Is this the main blocker for accepting OpenJDK in Debian? Would it be > > possible to just omit the binary modules or to replace these with free > > implementations from other free projects? > > Yes, this is a big blocker for this. We are working on icedtea, a > temporary fork of openjdk, which tries to replace the the closed source > parts. This is mainly discussed on the openjdk mailing lists and on IRC. Since openjdk has so many lists, the one you are looking for is: http://mail.openjdk.java.net/mailman/listinfo/distro-pkg-dev Or in gmane start with this thread: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.java.openjdk.distro-packaging.devel/5 Only bootstraps on Fedora 7 for now, but we are making (very) slow progress to get things to build fully on Debian also. All help appreciated! Cheers, Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-REQUEST.TakeThisOut@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster.TakeThisOut@lists.debian.org

Andrew Haley
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Since: Nov 14, 2005
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: Sun's OpenJDK in Debian? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Mark Wielaard writes: > Only bootstraps on Fedora 7 for now, but we are making (very) slow > progress to get things to build fully on Debian also. Ofergoodnessake, it's been three whole days! Andrew. -- Red Hat UK Ltd, Amberley Place, 107-111 Peascod Street, Windsor, Berkshire, SL4 1TE, UK Registered in England and Wales No. 3798903 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-REQUEST DeleteThis @lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster DeleteThis @lists.debian.org

Mark Wielaard
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Since: Aug 14, 2005
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:40 am Post subject: Re: Sun's OpenJDK in Debian? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

(CC openjdk distro-pkg-dev to keep them in the loop about the progress) On Sun, 2007-06-10 at 12:14 +0100, Andrew Haley wrote: > Mark Wielaard writes: > > > Only bootstraps on Fedora 7 for now, but we are making (very) slow > > progress to get things to build fully on Debian also. > > Ofergoodnessake, it's been three whole days! Four already! But... IcedTea is served: openjdk/control/build/linux-i586 $ /home/mjw/icedtea/openjdk/control/build/linux-i586/bin/javac HelloWorld.java $ /home/mjw/icedtea/openjdk/control/build/linux-i586/bin/java HelloWorld Hello World! Greetings Earth! vm: OpenJDK Client VM version: 1.7.0-internal-mjw_10_jun_2007_20_29-b00 vendor: Sun Microsystems Inc. This is a bit faked though. It is on a Debian 3.0/Etch install, which definitely doesn't have the latest gcj, so I build myself a gcc from svn trunk. Michael and I found some small issues in his last icedtea-builddeps that partially explain the problems found in: http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/distro-pkg-dev/2007-June/000035.html There is a serializer.jar which provides the xalan stuff and some parts of the build seem to unconditionally use gawk. Both issues should be solved by Michael's latest icedtea-builddeps package (available as apt sources line at deb http://people.debian.org/~mkoch/java/ ./). Also on this install ecj wasn't always picking up the bootstrap classpath, so I had to fake that by adding the following to the javac script in icedtea and by creating my own wrapper of ecj (and point --with-ecj at it): libgcjjar=/home/mjw/gcc/install/share/java/libgcj-4.3.0.jar case "$" in -bootclasspath) ;; ) bcoption="-bootclasspath $libgcjjar" esac CLASSPATH=/usr/share/java/ecj.jar${CLASSPATH:+:}$CLASSPATH \ /home/mjw/gcc/install/bin/gij \ org.eclipse.jdt.internal.compiler.batch.Main -1.5 -nowarn \ $bcoption $NEW_ARGS Finally since I was using a x86 xen guest on a x86_64 xen host the build guessed the architecture wrong at one point which I just manually corrected. And since this xen guest doesn't have proper tls support I had to fake out libunpack.so and libwaiters.so which (indirectly) seem to use that. And I didn't yet try to make it bootstrap itself. So lots of tricks to play. But theoretically it is possible Cheers, Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-REQUEST.TakeThisOut@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster.TakeThisOut@lists.debian.org

Tom Marble
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Since: May 27, 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: Sun's OpenJDK in Debian? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Jens Seidel wrote: > I'm surprised that this wasn't discussed already in the past on this list > (or in the BTS of some important java packages), but what is the status > of Sun's Java architecture in Debian? > > It is licensed under GPL2 and should be compatible with DFSG. As previously discussed we are quite keen on getting OpenJDK into Debian. Getting a complete and fully functional OpenJDK into Debian, Fedora and other major Linux distributions is one of my top priorities. The IcedTea project is an great step in this direction to help close the remaining binary encumbrances. Regards, --Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-java-REQUEST.TakeThisOut@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster.TakeThisOut@lists.debian.org

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