Suggestions for DDTP

Jens Seidel · External Since: Nov 20, 2004 Posts: 282

Hi Michael,

a few questions/remarks/suggestions about DDTP:

* GET package_name lang is not documented in your mail guide
* Trying to fetch multiple packages
GET luola-levels popa3d de.UTF-8
results in
ERROR: get
missing number or package name
* Do I get the testing or sid version using GET package lang? How
to change this?
* As many encodings are wrong it would be nice if you could test for
proper encoding. The accept mails (which are wrong encoded as well Smile

)
from DDTP seem already to test this (according to the messages in the
the mail) but it does not work properly. I suggest to search (at least
for German) in suspected UTF-8 encoded data files for Ã (utf-8 encoded
umlauts (ä, ü, ...) considered as latin1) and ï¿½ (could please anybody
explain how this results?) and to reject these translations with a
"probably wrong encoding" message? A new flag "force" in the subject could
bypass the test (if these characters are indeed valid).
* Further tests should be implemented based on language specific rules ...

Jens

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Jens Seidel · External Since: Nov 20, 2004 Posts: 282

On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 11:19:53AM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> a few questions/remarks/suggestions about DDTP:
>
> * GET package_name lang is not documented in your mail guide

It doesn't work currently. This command is accepted but no translation
is send to me, only guide.txt, log.txt and hot-news.txt. The subject
of the resulting mail from DDTP is wrong: "GET 1 de.UTF-8 noguide".

* Add vi, pt_PT and other missing (but added) languages to guide.txt and
http://ddtp.debian.net/ (picture, ...)

Jens

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Miguel Figueiredo · External Since: Nov 28, 2006 Posts: 70

Em Quinta, 5 de Julho de 2007 10:51, Jens Seidel escreveu:
> On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 11:19:53AM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote:
> > Hi Michael,

[...]

> * Add vi, pt_PT and other missing (but added) languages to guide.txt and
> http://ddtp.debian.net/ (picture, ...)
>
> Jens

hi all,

on d-i translations (packages, manual, release notes), debconf translations
(71% - 7268 translated messages) Portuguese (from Portugal) is being
translated as pt.po files and not as pt_PT.

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Michael Bramer · External Since: Mar 17, 2006 Posts: 24

On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 11:19:53AM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote:
> Hi Michael,

hi

> a few questions/remarks/suggestions about DDTP:
>
> * GET package_name lang is not documented in your mail guide

ok.

> * Trying to fetch multiple packages
> GET luola-levels popa3d de.UTF-8
> results in
> ERROR: get
> missing number or package name

ok, maybe I should change this

> * Do I get the testing or sid version using GET package lang? How
> to change this?

you get the last description (normal: sid)

> * As many encodings are wrong it would be nice if you could test for
> proper encoding. The accept mails (which are wrong encoded as well Smile

)
> from DDTP seem already to test this (according to the messages in the
> the mail) but it does not work properly. I suggest to search (at least
> for German) in suspected UTF-8 encoded data files for Ã (utf-8 encoded
> umlauts (ä, ü, ...) considered as latin1) and ï¿½ (could please anybody
> explain how this results?) and to reject these translations with a
> "probably wrong encoding" message? A new flag "force" in the subject could
> bypass the test (if these characters are indeed valid).

oh, the ddtp should test encoding. If this is not working, this is a
bug...

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Jens Seidel · External Since: Nov 20, 2004 Posts: 282

On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 09:52:54AM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 11:19:53AM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote:
> > * Do I get the testing or sid version using GET package lang? How
> > to change this?
>
> you get the last description (normal: sid)

Is this also true for "GET n lang" requests? It would be nice if no
testing descriptions are sent out (only if explictely requested) to
reduce the need to translate outdated descriptions.

PS: The new APT which supports package translations was today promoted
to testing!

Jens

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SZERVÁC · External Since: Mar 17, 2007 Posts: 7

On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 10:51:14AM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote:
>
> PS: The new APT which supports package translations was today promoted
> to testing!

Yes. Does new APT support Translation-* _diff_ files?

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Michael Bramer · External Since: Mar 17, 2006 Posts: 24

On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 10:51:14AM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 09:52:54AM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 11:19:53AM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote:
> > > * Do I get the testing or sid version using GET package lang? How
> > > to change this?
> >
> > you get the last description (normal: sid)
>
> Is this also true for "GET n lang" requests? It would be nice if no
> testing descriptions are sent out (only if explictely requested) to
> reduce the need to translate outdated descriptions.

yes.

only 'active' descriptions are send to the user.

See http://ddtp.debian.net/ddt.cgi?package=backup-manager as example.

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Jens Seidel · External Since: Nov 20, 2004 Posts: 282

On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 12:50:36PM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 10:51:14AM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 09:52:54AM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 11:19:53AM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote:
> > > > * Do I get the testing or sid version using GET package lang? How
> > > > to change this?
> > >
> > > you get the last description (normal: sid)
> >
> > Is this also true for "GET n lang" requests? It would be nice if no
> > testing descriptions are sent out (only if explictely requested) to
> > reduce the need to translate outdated descriptions.
>
> yes.
>
> only 'active' descriptions are send to the user.

Ah, thanks. I document all these information in
http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/ddtp that's why I want to be
sure.

Another question: I find the diffs against previous translations (if
they exist) which are provided by the DDTP very useful. If only a small
typo was fixed in an English description the old inactive translation
can easily be reused. This way one can impress others (and the
statistics) with many translations in short time Smile

Is there a way to obtain all missing active translations with an
existing inactive translation (without need to iteratate over the web
output)?

Jens

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Michael Bramer · External Since: Mar 17, 2006 Posts: 24

On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 01:16:31PM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 12:50:36PM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 10:51:14AM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 09:52:54AM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 11:19:53AM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote:
> > > > > * Do I get the testing or sid version using GET package lang? How
> > > > > to change this?
> > > >
> > > > you get the last description (normal: sid)
> > >
> > > Is this also true for "GET n lang" requests? It would be nice if no
> > > testing descriptions are sent out (only if explictely requested) to
> > > reduce the need to translate outdated descriptions.
> >
> > yes.
> >
> > only 'active' descriptions are send to the user.
>
> Ah, thanks. I document all these information in
> http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/ddtp that's why I want to be
> sure.
>
> Another question: I find the diffs against previous translations (if
> they exist) which are provided by the DDTP very useful. If only a small
> typo was fixed in an English description the old inactive translation
> can easily be reused. This way one can impress others (and the
> statistics) with many translations in short time Smile

>
> Is there a way to obtain all missing active translations with an
> existing inactive translation (without need to iteratate over the web
> output)?

it should be possible... But now we don't have it...

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Michael Bramer · External Since: Mar 17, 2006 Posts: 24

On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 10:57:02AM +0200, SZERVÁC Attila wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 10:51:14AM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote:
> >
> > PS: The new APT which supports package translations was today promoted
> > to testing!
>
> Yes. Does new APT support Translation-* _diff_ files?

good question.

I _estimate_: no

And we don't have Translation-* _diff_ files at this time...

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Martijn van Oosterhout · External Since: Jun 30, 2006 Posts: 85

On 7/6/07, Jens Seidel wrote:
> Another question: I find the diffs against previous translations (if
> they exist) which are provided by the DDTP very useful. If only a small
> typo was fixed in an English description the old inactive translation
> can easily be reused. This way one can impress others (and the
> statistics) with many translations in short time Smile

FWIW, the DDTSS does show diffs to previous changes to the current
translation (red for removed/green for added). If there was a previous
translation for the same package it shows what the old one was in a
seperate window.

It's not as integrated as I'd like but I find it works rather well
(especially for noting that the "new" descript is merely a typo fix,
then I can simply resubmit the old translation...

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Miguel Figueiredo · External Since: Nov 28, 2006 Posts: 70

Em Quinta, 5 de Julho de 2007 19:26, Miguel Figueiredo escreveu:
> Em Quinta, 5 de Julho de 2007 10:51, Jens Seidel escreveu:
> > On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 11:19:53AM +0200, Jens Seidel wrote:
> > > Hi Michael,
>
> [...]
>
> > * Add vi, pt_PT and other missing (but added) languages to guide.txt and
> > http://ddtp.debian.net/ (picture, ...)
> >
> > Jens
>
> hi all,
>
> on d-i translations (packages, manual, release notes), debconf translations
> (71% - 7268 translated messages) Portuguese (from Portugal) is being
> translated as pt.po files and not as pt_PT.
>
I forgot to ask Surprised

)

Can pt_PT be moved to pt?

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> Com os melhores cumprimentos/Best regards,
>
> Miguel Figueiredo
> http://www.DebianPT.org

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