Safe dual booting

Oldtech · External Since: Jun 14, 2007 Posts: 128

http://www.inspirated.com/wordpress/2007/04/29/windows-95-98-2000-and-...simulta

s. keeling · External Since: Jul 07, 2007 Posts: 74

Oldtech <me.DeleteThis@yahoo.com>:
> http://www.inspirated.com/wordpress/2007/04/29/windows-95-98-2000-and-...simulta

You're going the wrong way. I've seen estimates of 13,000 to 18,000
separate software packages available in Debian. Why in the world
would you want to run Windows software once you've freed yourself to
run Linux/Debian?

Dump that other junk in the dustbin of history. You needn't waste any
more time on it.

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sk8r-365 · External Since: May 30, 2007 Posts: 137

Government satellites recorded s. keeling saying:
> Oldtech <me.DeleteThis@yahoo.com>:
>> http://www.inspirated.com/wordpress/2007/04/29/windows-95-98-2000-and-...simulta
>
> You're going the wrong way. I've seen estimates of 13,000 to 18,000
> separate software packages available in Debian. Why in the world
> would you want to run Windows software once you've freed yourself to
> run Linux/Debian?
>
> Dump that other junk in the dustbin of history. You needn't waste any
> more time on it.
>
>

I admit that I've not followed this thread and it has scrolled off the server,
but that counsel is worthy of all consideration regardless of previous remarks!
From the subject line I have to conclude that the only safe dual booting is none
at all (Windows will *never* be "safe").

Well said, Mr. Keeling.

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s. keeling · External Since: Jul 07, 2007 Posts: 74

sk8r-365 <sk8r-365.DeleteThis@sk8r.debian.etch.invalid.org>:
> Government satellites recorded s. keeling saying:
> > Oldtech <me.DeleteThis@yahoo.com>:
> >> http://www.inspirated.com/wordpress/2007/04/29/windows-95-98-2000-and-...simulta
> >
> > You're going the wrong way. I've seen estimates of 13,000 to 18,000
> > separate software packages available in Debian. Why in the world
> > would you want to run Windows software once you've freed yourself to
>
> I admit that I've not followed this thread and it has scrolled off
> the server, but that counsel is worthy of all consideration

I think this is the entire extent of the thread. He just posted a
URL.

> regardless of previous remarks! From the subject line I have to
> conclude that the only safe dual booting is none at all (Windows
> will *never* be "safe").

"windows-95-98-2000-and-xp-simultaneously ..." reminds me of an old BC
comic strip:

"I can stick my left big toe in my right ear."

"Okay, but who wants to?"

Sure, FLOSS *can* do something as perverse as running multiple virtual
Windows instantiations simultaneously, but why bother? There many
actually cool things you can do with FLOSS, and that sure ain't one of
them, or at least I don't think it is.

There actually are ways to safe dual/multi-boot. I'm working with a
guy who has Suse, two Zenwalks, and Xubuntu on his machine all at once
(I built it for him; he's new and wants to try out a few). It's
working pretty well so far. He doesn't miss that other stuff at all.

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s. keeling · External Since: Jul 07, 2007 Posts: 74

s. keeling <keeling RemoveThis @nucleus.com>:
> sk8r-365 <sk8r-365 RemoveThis @sk8r.debian.etch.invalid.org>:
> > Government satellites recorded s. keeling saying:
> > >
> > > You're going the wrong way. I've seen estimates of 13,000 to 18,000
> >
> > I admit that I've not followed this thread and it has scrolled off

NetNannyMode: BTW, you need to read http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html

Sorry. Razz

Score: =-9998 % GG *original* posts.
Message-ID: googlegroups
~References: .+
~From: sk8terg1rl

["~From:" means "not From:", fwiw.] Google's cool. Searching
groups.google.com is cool. Posting from groups.google.com is not
cool. It's destroying Usenet, and Google's so far oblivious to (and
ignoring) the damage it's facilitating. FFT.

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sk8r-365 · External Since: May 30, 2007 Posts: 137

Government satellites recorded s. keeling saying:
> sk8r-365 <sk8r-365.RemoveThis@sk8r.debian.etch.invalid.org>:
>> regardless of previous remarks! From the subject line I have to
>> conclude that the only safe dual booting is none at all (Windows
>> will *never* be "safe").
>
> "windows-95-98-2000-and-xp-simultaneously ..." reminds me of an old BC
> comic strip:
>
> "I can stick my left big toe in my right ear."
>
> "Okay, but who wants to?"

That's both finny and accurate!

> Sure, FLOSS *can* do something as perverse as running multiple virtual
> Windows instantiations simultaneously, but why bother?
<snip>

What an excellent description - "perverse" says it well.

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Harold Stevens · External Since: Jan 01, 2005 Posts: 382

In <slrnfanp4i.4hp.keeling DeleteThis @heretic.nucleus.com> s. keeling:

[Snip...]

> Google's cool. Searching groups.google.com is cool. Posting from
> groups.google.com is not cool. It's destroying Usenet, and Google's
> so far oblivious to (and ignoring) the damage it's facilitating.

I too agree completely that Google is a genuine innovator, and I loved the
search function from gitgo. I also think Gmail is a great webmail app.

This "oblivious to (and ignoring) the damage" is what absolutely drives me
nuts about it. It's not like they're unaware; indeed, if anything from all
appearances, they *approve* of it.

You cannot tell me Google cannot "afford" to clean up GoogleGrope.

I am left with the conclusion Google is willing to "destroy the village to
save the village" and I think we all know how well that worked.

"Don't be evil" is then more hypocrisy, not merely a corporate slogan.

JMO; YMMV...

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sk8r-365 · External Since: May 30, 2007 Posts: 137

Government satellites recorded s. keeling saying:
> s. keeling <keeling.DeleteThis@nucleus.com>:
>> sk8r-365 <sk8r-365.DeleteThis@sk8r.debian.etch.invalid.org>:
>> > Government satellites recorded s. keeling saying:
>> > >
>> > > You're going the wrong way. I've seen estimates of 13,000 to 18,000
>> >
>> > I admit that I've not followed this thread and it has scrolled off
>
> NetNannyMode: BTW, you need to read http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
>
> Sorry. Razz

Don't get your point. I knew I could read Google Groups, and anticipated the
suggestion to do so - is that what you meant? -, but why bother on such a
trivial post?

>
> Score: =-9998 % GG *original* posts.
> Message-ID: googlegroups
> ~References: .+
> ~From: sk8terg1rl
>
> ["~From:" means "not From:", fwiw.] Google's cool. Searching
> groups.google.com is cool. Posting from groups.google.com is not
> cool. It's destroying Usenet, and Google's so far oblivious to (and
> ignoring) the damage it's facilitating. FFT.
>

Considered filtering everything from GG once but there are times when a useful
post from a Linux user shows up from there. Your score file would be useful if I
knew a poster who I read often enough from GG. I'm choosing not to filter
Googles' gmail for the same reason. One example why I won't is, if I'm not
mistaken Mr. A Jackson - who is a *real* Linux user and fine help - uses
gmail... I'd be missing out on some good info.

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sk8r-365 · External Since: May 30, 2007 Posts: 137

Government satellites recorded sk8r-365 saying:
> Government satellites recorded s. keeling saying:
>> sk8r-365 <sk8r-365.DeleteThis@sk8r.debian.etch.invalid.org>:
>>> regardless of previous remarks! From the subject line I have to
>>> conclude that the only safe dual booting is none at all (Windows
>>> will *never* be "safe").
>>
>> "windows-95-98-2000-and-xp-simultaneously ..." reminds me of an old BC
>> comic strip:
>>
>> "I can stick my left big toe in my right ear."
>>
>> "Okay, but who wants to?"
>
> That's both finny and accurate!
>

But my spelling isn't !!

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Mumia W. · External Since: Apr 09, 2007 Posts: 45

On 07/29/2007 05:52 AM, Harold Stevens wrote:
> In <slrnfanp4i.4hp.keeling.RemoveThis@heretic.nucleus.com> s. keeling:
>
> [Snip...]
>
>> Google's cool. Searching groups.google.com is cool. Posting from
>> groups.google.com is not cool. It's destroying Usenet, and Google's
>> so far oblivious to (and ignoring) the damage it's facilitating.
>
> I too agree completely that Google is a genuine innovator, and I loved the
> search function from gitgo. I also think Gmail is a great webmail app.
>
> This "oblivious to (and ignoring) the damage" is what absolutely drives me
> nuts about it. It's not like they're unaware; indeed, if anything from all
> appearances, they *approve* of it.
> [...]

I too agree that Google is destroying Usenet. In fact, Google is
destroying and co-opting Usenet at the same time.

I imagine as the quality of life on Usenet decreases for the NNTP Usenet
users, more and more people either leave Usenet for the blogs or other
communication mediums, or people buy into Google's way of thinking about
Usenet--Usenet as a part of the WWW.

Dr. Spock might say that "Google is destroying Usenet in favor of its
own matrix." We might be witnessing the "Genesis" of a Google-dominated
Usenet Sad

Fifteen years from now, people might refer to NNTP as a "historical"
means of connecting to Usenet.

sk8r-365 · External Since: May 30, 2007 Posts: 137

Government satellites recorded Mumia W. saying:
>
> I too agree that Google is destroying Usenet. In fact, Google is
> destroying and co-opting Usenet at the same time.

Although Ask.com is Java-based, and not as accurate (direct) to what I seek as
Goggle yet, I'm employing them more often for the NNTP reason, also that Google
is beginning to act like MS has with MS's special web page scripting and other
non-standard Net methods.

> I imagine as the quality of life on Usenet decreases for the NNTP Usenet
> users, more and more people either leave Usenet for the blogs or other
> communication mediums,
<snip>

Such as Debian forums ...

<snip>
> Fifteen years from now, people might refer to NNTP as a "historical"
> means of connecting to Usenet.
>

God forbid!

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s. keeling · External Since: Jul 07, 2007 Posts: 74

sk8r-365 <sk8r-365.RemoveThis@sk8r.debian.etch.invalid.org>:
> Government satellites recorded s. keeling saying:
> > s. keeling <keeling.RemoveThis@nucleus.com>:
> >> sk8r-365 <sk8r-365.RemoveThis@sk8r.debian.etch.invalid.org>:
> >> > Government satellites recorded s. keeling saying:
> >> > >
> >> > > You're going the wrong way. I've seen estimates of 13,000 to 18,000
> >> >
> >> > I admit that I've not followed this thread and it has scrolled off
> >
> > NetNannyMode: BTW, you need to read http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
>
> Don't get your point. I knew I could read Google Groups, and anticipated the

Um, I may have mixed you up with someone else. Someone said "kill all
GG posters!" and someone else (I thought it was you) said "but not me!"

If you're not a GG poster, sorry, I'll need to do some research.
Sorry for the noise.

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sk8r-365 · External Since: May 30, 2007 Posts: 137

Government satellites recorded s. keeling saying:
> sk8r-365 <sk8r-365.RemoveThis@sk8r.debian.etch.invalid.org>:
>> Don't get your point. I knew I could read Google Groups, and anticipated the
>
> Um, I may have mixed you up with someone else. Someone said "kill all
> GG posters!" and someone else (I thought it was you) said "but not me!"

GG poster? No way ! I use slrn.

> If you're not a GG poster, sorry, I'll need to do some research.
> Sorry for the noise.

No harm, no foal. 8p

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AJackson · External Since: Jun 02, 2007 Posts: 43

On Jul 29, 6:59 pm, sk8r-365 <sk8r-... DeleteThis @sk8r.debian.etch.invalid.org>
wrote:
> Government satellites recorded s. keeling saying:
>
> > s. keeling <keel... DeleteThis @nucleus.com>:
> >> sk8r-365 <sk8r-... DeleteThis @sk8r.debian.etch.invalid.org>:
> >> > Government satellites recorded s. keeling saying:
>
> >> > > You're going the wrong way. I've seen estimates of 13,000 to 18,000
>
> >> > I admit that I've not followed this thread and it has scrolled off
>
> > NetNannyMode: BTW, you need to readhttp://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html
>
> > Sorry. Razz

>
> Don't get your point. I knew I could read Google Groups, and anticipated the
> suggestion to do so - is that what you meant? -, but why bother on such a
> trivial post?
>
>
>
> > Score: =-9998 % GG *original* posts.
> > Message-ID: googlegroups
> > ~References: .+
> > ~From: sk8terg1rl
>
> > ["~From:" means "not From:", fwiw.] Google's cool. Searching
> > groups.google.com is cool. Posting from groups.google.com is not
> > cool. It's destroying Usenet, and Google's so far oblivious to (and
> > ignoring) the damage it's facilitating. FFT.
>
> Considered filtering everything from GG once but there are times when a useful
> post from a Linux user shows up from there. Your score file would be useful if I
> knew a poster who I read often enough from GG. I'm choosing not to filter
> Googles' gmail for the same reason. One example why I won't is, if I'm not
> mistaken Mr. A Jackson - who is a *real* Linux user and fine help - uses
> gmail... I'd be missing out on some good info.

Thanks. I try to help.

For me it is using groups.google.com for news groups or nothing at
all. As I don't have
any access to a good NNTP server and don't have time/interest/bandwith
to set up one
myself. Yes, I used the one and only Emacs/Gnus when I had access.
Good for reading
mail too Wink

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>
> http://goodbye-microsoft.com/

My favorite site Smile

sk8r-365 · External Since: May 30, 2007 Posts: 137

Government satellites recorded AJackson saying:
<snip>
>> sk8r-365
>>
>> http://goodbye-microsoft.com/
>
> My favorite site Smile

>

It's a _good_ one for sure !

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Mark Kent · External Since: Feb 09, 2005 Posts: 5545

sk8r-365 <sk8r-365 DeleteThis @sk8r.debian.etch.invalid.org> espoused:
> Government satellites recorded Mumia W. saying:
>>
>> I too agree that Google is destroying Usenet. In fact, Google is
>> destroying and co-opting Usenet at the same time.
>
> Although Ask.com is Java-based, and not as accurate (direct) to what I seek as
> Goggle yet, I'm employing them more often for the NNTP reason, also that Google
> is beginning to act like MS has with MS's special web page scripting and other
> non-standard Net methods.
>
>> I imagine as the quality of life on Usenet decreases for the NNTP Usenet
>> users, more and more people either leave Usenet for the blogs or other
>> communication mediums,
><snip>
>
> Such as Debian forums ...
>
><snip>
>> Fifteen years from now, people might refer to NNTP as a "historical"
>> means of connecting to Usenet.
>>
>
> God forbid!
>

Been doing this since before the web was invented, indeed, since before
gopher came along, and I'll be doing it afterwards Smile

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