Recommend a USB wifi card that supports Linux and packet i..

Ignoramus17579 · External Since: Aug 11, 2009 Posts: 1

My friend wants to try Linux.

For his desktop, we would like to find a USB based wifi card that
would

1) Work great under Linux
2) Support packet injection, or "injection mode".

Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

The Wizard of Oz · External Since: Aug 11, 2009 Posts: 1

Ignoramus17579 wrote:
> My friend wants to try Linux.
>
> For his desktop, we would like to find a USB based wifi card that
> would
>
> 1) Work great under Linux

Think I know of one. I don't use it very often.

> 2) Support packet injection, or "injection mode".

I don't know what this is.

> Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

Asus WL-160N. It works with the current version of Kubuntu (no
additional drivers needed). It doesn't work with 8.04.

Later
Mike

Maxwell Lol · External Since: Feb 11, 2009 Posts: 8

Ignoramus17579 <ignoramus17579 RemoveThis @NOSPAM.17579.invalid> writes:

> My friend wants to try Linux.
>
> For his desktop, we would like to find a USB based wifi card that
> would
>
> 1) Work great under Linux
> 2) Support packet injection, or "injection mode".
>
> Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

http://www.pauldotcom.com/wiki/index.php/Recommended_WiFi_Cards

"Man-wai Chang to The Doo · External Since: Jul 05, 2009 Posts: 9

Ignoramus17579 wrote:
> My friend wants to try Linux.
>
> For his desktop, we would like to find a USB based wifi card that
> would
>
> 1) Work great under Linux
> 2) Support packet injection, or "injection mode".
>
> Any suggestions will be gratefully received.

Shouldn't you look for one that has master/AP mode?

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Maxwell Lol · External Since: Feb 11, 2009 Posts: 8

"Man-wai Chang to The Door (+MS=V32B)" <toylet.toylet.DeleteThis@gmail.com> writes:

> Ignoramus17579 wrote:
>> My friend wants to try Linux.
>>
>> For his desktop, we would like to find a USB based wifi card that
>> would
>>
>> 1) Work great under Linux 2) Support packet injection, or "injection
>> mode".
>>
>> Any suggestions will be gratefully received.
>
> Shouldn't you look for one that has master/AP mode?
>
No. He wants to be able to do some WEP cracking. That;s one use of
injection mode.

William Black · External Since: Aug 13, 2009 Posts: 5

dennis@home wrote:
>

> In fact in the UK its a crime to use a network that is open, unless it
> is stated that it is for public access.

And someone got done under the theft act not too long ago for this very
offence.

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The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing.
If you can fake that, you've got it made.

John Hasler · External Since: Mar 25, 2004 Posts: 1337

Rob writes:
> Is breathing a crime yet in the UK?...don't hold your breath
> anyway. Everything else is. There's no such thing as bloody democracy
> in the UK.

It appears that you make the mistake of equating democracy to liberty.
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Rob Wilson · External Since: Aug 13, 2009 Posts: 1

William Black wrote:
> dennis@home wrote:
>>
>
>> In fact in the UK its a crime to use a network that is open, unless it
>> is stated that it is for public access.
>
> And someone got done under the theft act not too long ago for this very
> offence.
>
Is breathing a crime yet in the UK?...don't hold your breath anyway.
Everything else is. There's no such thing as bloody democracy in the UK.

Rob.

John Hasler · External Since: Mar 25, 2004 Posts: 1337

William Black writes:
> So stealing bandwidth someone else paid for without permission isn't a
> crime where you live?

Some places it is, some it isn't. However, in common-law jurisdictions
it would be trespass to chattels, which should suffice for such a
trivial tort. Not every wrong need be a crime.
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Nathan Keel · External Since: May 04, 2009 Posts: 12

Maxwell Lol wrote:

>>>> In fact in the UK its a crime to use a network that is open, unless
>>>> it is stated that it is for public access.
>
> It's illegal to USE an unencrypted wifi network? even in your own
> house? Strange.
>

"... that is open, unless it is stated that it is for public access."

That's actually true of some places. It's not legal to find a signal
and log in and use it without permission or it being labeled a public
access Wifi. It's not just data transfer that they consider you
stealing/using without permission either, but that's probably part of
it. It's like logging into a government site without permission.
You're not legally okay to do it, just because you didn't do anything.
For that matter, try logging into random servers (just random IPs)
online and see if you can get a shell, without brute forcing or
anything, and see how well that goes over, even if you don't do
anything wrong or otherwise illegal. Someone will have a problem with
it, at some point, in some state or country.

I don't find that strange, nor difficult to understand. But yes, even
in your own home, if you get a signal and can log into your neighbors
wifi, don't think no one will care or can't do anything (even if for a
lot of reasons I'd agree it's not a big deal, I also don't like a
doorway for malicious people, spammers, child porners, bank fraud, or
the like a way to abuse some clueless/innocent person's connection to
hide their tracks, so I'm all for people making it difficult and
punishable so the clueless people are forced to care and block access
to just "anyone"). Some people may feel differently, and that's fine,
but sometimes we have to be okay with the few bad apples ruining it for
the rest that wouldn't abuse such things.

Of course, perhaps if someone is clueless and leaves their wifi open to
anyone, they shouldn't be allowed online, or otherwise should be held
accountable if it can be proven they didn't care to take action, should
something as the above happen with their connection and it wasn't a
technical error or lack of caring/effort. What a weird conversation,
but just saying I can see why there would be laws in some places and
that there are some. I also don't go trying my neighbors door locks on
their homes or cars, or sit inside if one's open either. Law
enforcement sees it as the same principal in some places. Perhaps
that's more clear? This isn't a debate about what should or shouldn't
be, or what anyone feels, it's just a fact in some places is all.

William Black · External Since: Aug 13, 2009 Posts: 5

Rob Wilson wrote:
> William Black wrote:
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>
>>> In fact in the UK its a crime to use a network that is open, unless
>>> it is stated that it is for public access.
>>
>> And someone got done under the theft act not too long ago for this
>> very offence.
>>
> Is breathing a crime yet in the UK?...don't hold your breath anyway.
> Everything else is. There's no such thing as bloody democracy in the UK.

So stealing bandwidth someone else paid for without permission isn't a
crime where you live?

--
William Black

The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing.
If you can fake that, you've got it made.

William Black · External Since: Aug 13, 2009 Posts: 5

John Hasler wrote:
> Rob writes:
>> Is breathing a crime yet in the UK?...don't hold your breath
>> anyway. Everything else is. There's no such thing as bloody democracy
>> in the UK.
>
> It appears that you make the mistake of equating democracy to liberty.

It makes a change, usually they think liberty is something to do with
shopping and democracy something to do with having a US air base within
an hour's drive...

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The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing.
If you can fake that, you've got it made.

John Hasler · External Since: Mar 25, 2004 Posts: 1337

William Black writes:
> Theft is illegal.

Theft: Dishonest appropriation of property without the owner's
consent, with intent to deprive them of its use, either temporarily or
permanently

No property involved here and so no theft. Might be theft of services
in jurisdictions with theft of services statutes, but I believe that
those usually require that the services be offered for sale and that
deception be involved.
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J G Miller · External Since: Dec 08, 2004 Posts: 34

On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:44:32 +0100, William Black wrote:

> Theft is illegal.

Except when the government does it.

Then it is called "in the national interest", viz Diego Garcia,
or the Civil Contingencies Act 2004, Part 2, paragraph 22, point 3

b) provide for or enable the requisition or confiscation of property
(with or without compensation);

(c) provide for or enable the destruction of property, animal life or
plant life (with or without compensation);

Paul J Gans · External Since: Jun 03, 2004 Posts: 399

In alt.os.linux.ubuntu William Black <william.black RemoveThis @hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Rob Wilson wrote:
>> William Black wrote:
>>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>> In fact in the UK its a crime to use a network that is open, unless
>>>> it is stated that it is for public access.
>>>
>>> And someone got done under the theft act not too long ago for this
>>> very offence.
>>>
>> Is breathing a crime yet in the UK?...don't hold your breath anyway.
>> Everything else is. There's no such thing as bloody democracy in the UK.

>So stealing bandwidth someone else paid for without permission isn't a
>crime where you live?

Good observation! I live in a 17-story apartment house with
22 apartments per floor. I can pick up more than 20 wireless
networks in addition to my own. Almost always there are a
few open ones.

Some folks, I am sure, don't bother spending the money for
the internet connection. Using other's bandwith is just too
easy.

It is rather hard to monitor with present setups, so I don't think
it will go away soon.

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--- Paul J. Gans

William Black · External Since: Aug 13, 2009 Posts: 5

John Hasler wrote:
> William Black writes:
>> Theft is illegal.
>
> Theft: Dishonest appropriation of property without the owner's
> consent, with intent to deprive them of its use, either temporarily or
> permanently
>
> No property involved here and so no theft. Might be theft of services
> in jurisdictions with theft of services statutes, but I believe that
> those usually require that the services be offered for sale and that
> deception be involved.

I know.

That doesn't change the fact that 'piggy backing' on someone's line will
get you inside a courtroom in the UK.

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The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing.
If you can fake that, you've got it made.

John Hasler · External Since: Mar 25, 2004 Posts: 1337

William Black writes:
> That doesn't change the fact that 'piggy backing' on someone's line
> will get you inside a courtroom in the UK.

As it will in some US jurisdictions, under statutes making that
particular act a crime.
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John Hasler · External Since: Mar 25, 2004 Posts: 1337

dennis writes:
> How is theft of a none vital resource acceptable in a democracy?

It isn't theft. It is trespass to chattels and actionable as such in
common law jurisdictions. In many jurisdictions it is also a crime
under specific statutes.

And theft of a none vital resource would be acceptable in a democracy
any time the majority believes that it should be. Democracy is not a
synonym for liberty or justice.
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dennis · External Since: Jan 26, 2009 Posts: 7

"Rob Wilson" <robwilson DeleteThis @remove.brushhead.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1bmdnS8j4oJt0xnXnZ2dnUVZ8kNi4p2d@brightview.co.uk...
> William Black wrote:
>> dennis@home wrote:
>>>
>>
>>> In fact in the UK its a crime to use a network that is open, unless it
>>> is stated that it is for public access.
>>
>> And someone got done under the theft act not too long ago for this very
>> offence.
>>
> Is breathing a crime yet in the UK?...don't hold your breath anyway.
> Everything else is. There's no such thing as bloody democracy in the UK.

How is theft of a none vital resource acceptable in a democracy?

> Rob.

The Natural Philosopher · External Since: Jul 06, 2009 Posts: 10

William Black wrote:
> John Hasler wrote:
>> William Black writes:
>>> Theft is illegal.
>>
>> Theft: Dishonest appropriation of property without the owner's
>> consent, with intent to deprive them of its use, either temporarily or
>> permanently
>>
>> No property involved here and so no theft. Might be theft of services
>> in jurisdictions with theft of services statutes, but I believe that
>> those usually require that the services be offered for sale and that
>> deception be involved.
>
> I know.
>
> That doesn't change the fact that 'piggy backing' on someone's line will
> get you inside a courtroom in the UK.
>
>
Very unlikely.