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Yann Dirson
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:10 pm    Post subject: Plans about OpenJDK ?
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Hi Debian-Java team,

Following the recent OpenJDK announcement, I suppose that many Debian
users, but also DD's with packages that still require Sun JDK to
build/work, can't wait to see it packaged Smile

The only information I could find about openjdk is the Nov'06 ITP's
for the early parts - nothing in various list archives or in svn. Has
anyone started to work on this ? Is any help needed ?

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David Herron
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Plans about OpenJDK ? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Yann Dirson wrote:
> Hi Debian-Java team,
>
> Following the recent OpenJDK announcement, I suppose that many Debian
> users, but also DD's with packages that still require Sun JDK to
> build/work, can't wait to see it packaged Smile
>
> The only information I could find about openjdk is the Nov'06 ITP's
> for the early parts - nothing in various list archives or in svn. Has
> anyone started to work on this ? Is any help needed ?
>
> Best regards,
>

I suspect one thing that could hold Debian back is that the OpenJDK
still has encumbered bits. It would be difficult to distribute a binary
because the binary incorporates some non-free stuff from the encumbered
bits. I don't know what license we put on redistributing the encumbered
bits, but it clearly can't be a free license, so redistributing a binary
build at the moment clearly would not pass muster with debian-legal.

What Gentoo is delivering appears to me to be a build script where the
end user is the one downloading both the sources and the encumbered
bits. Also Tom Fitzsimmons (Fedora) has set up a source RPM that I
think he intends to incorporate into Fedora.

In the long term we clearly want to get to a position where openjdk
builds can be incorporated into the free repository of Debian and other
distros. But we aren't there, yet.

http://openjdk.java.net

http://openjdk.java.net/legal/

http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/faq.jsp#h


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Matthias Klose
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: Plans about OpenJDK ? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Yann Dirson writes:
> Hi Debian-Java team,
>
> Following the recent OpenJDK announcement, I suppose that many Debian
> users, but also DD's with packages that still require Sun JDK to
> build/work, can't wait to see it packaged Smile
>
> The only information I could find about openjdk is the Nov'06 ITP's
> for the early parts - nothing in various list archives or in svn. Has
> anyone started to work on this ? Is any help needed ?

I did have a look at Ola's packages for the compiler and the vm,
currently looking at the openJDK. A headless jdk/vm not needing the
binary blobs seems to be most likely go get it into the free sections
of the archive. Because openJDK won't be available for all
architectures we will have to use gcj for most of our architectures.
I didn't set up a repository yet.

Matthias


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Arnaud Vandyck
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 12:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Plans about OpenJDK ? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 5/19/07, Matthias Klose <doko DeleteThis @cs.tu-berlin.de> wrote:
[...]
> Because openJDK won't be available for all
> architectures we will have to use gcj for most of our architectures.

That could lead to problems when we'll have a dfsg openjdk, it'll be
on x86, x64, but what will be the status of other arches?

What will we do with packages that needs openjdk to build and run?
Will they be in main but only for x64 and x64 arches?

Is there plans to include code from cacao or jamvm? or to port the vm
on other arches?

Maybe it's too early to answer, but when we'll have openjdk in our
pool, the question will raise from users on arches !=(x86|x64).

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Andrew Haley
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 12:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Plans about OpenJDK ? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Arnaud Vandyck writes:
> On 5/19/07, Matthias Klose <doko.RemoveThis@cs.tu-berlin.de> wrote:
> [...]
> > Because openJDK won't be available for all architectures we will
> > have to use gcj for most of our architectures.
>
> That could lead to problems when we'll have a dfsg openjdk, it'll be
> on x86, x64, but what will be the status of other arches?
>
> What will we do with packages that needs openjdk to build and run?
> Will they be in main but only for x64 and x64 arches?
>
> Is there plans to include code from cacao or jamvm? or to port the vm
> on other arches?
>
> Maybe it's too early to answer, but when we'll have openjdk in our
> pool, the question will raise from users on arches !=(x86|x64).

There is supposedly a protable interpreter in OpenJDK. We (@ Red Hat)
are investigating this for other arches.

Andrew.

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Arnaud Vandyck
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 1:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Plans about OpenJDK ? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 5/19/07, Andrew Haley <aph DeleteThis @redhat.com> wrote:
> Arnaud Vandyck writes:
[...]
> > Is there plans to [...] port the vm on other arches?
[...]
> There is supposedly a protable interpreter in OpenJDK. We (@ Red Hat)
> are investigating this for other arches.

You rock Andrew Wink (well and Tom and all the RedHat team of course Wink)

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Arnaud Vandyck
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 1:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Plans about OpenJDK ? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 5/19/07, Arnaud Vandyck <avdyk.RemoveThis@debian.org> wrote:
> You rock Andrew Wink (well and Tom and all the RedHat team of course Wink)

And of course all those Sun guys who made this possible! Wink

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