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PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 10:49 pm    Post subject: Opera 10.60 file selection
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What happened to the file selection dialog?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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ellis@spinics.net wrote:

> What happened to the file selection dialog?

At the bottom, contained within the new red button. This can be changed
back if you'd like.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Jerry Heyman wrote:

> ellis@spinics.net wrote:
>
>> What happened to the file selection dialog?
>
> At the bottom, contained within the new red button. This can be changed
> back if you'd like.

Ok, how do I change it back?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 10:39:07 -0700, ellis wrote:

> Jerry Heyman wrote:
>
>> ellis@spinics.net wrote:
>>
>>> What happened to the file selection dialog?
>>
>> At the bottom, contained within the new red button. This can be
>> changed back if you'd like.
>
> Ok, how do I change it back?

Alt & F11

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Gordon Darling wrote:

>>>> What happened to the file selection dialog?
>>>
>>> At the bottom, contained within the new red button. This can be
>>> changed back if you'd like.
>>
>> Ok, how do I change it back?
>
> Alt & F11

Ah, that wasn't what I was asking about. I mean the selection dialog for
finding a file to upload. Right now it only allows for me typing in the
full path.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 11:33:47 -0700, ellis wrote:

> Gordon Darling wrote:
>
>>>>> What happened to the file selection dialog?
>>>>
>>>> At the bottom, contained within the new red button. This can be
>>>> changed back if you'd like.
>>>
>>> Ok, how do I change it back?
>>
>> Alt & F11
>
> Ah, that wasn't what I was asking about. I mean the selection dialog for
> finding a file to upload. Right now it only allows for me typing in the
> full path.

Sorry, I'll have another play!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:33:47 -0400, wrote:

> Ah, that wasn't what I was asking about. I mean the selection dialog for
> finding a file to upload. Right now it only allows for me typing in the
> full path.

My understanding, is that opera decided to remove the dependencies on
the qt libraries. Part of that appears to be that instead of using
it's own file selection manager, it's using the desktop managers file
manager to select the file. I think it's using dbus to ask the
desktop manager for a file selection.

If I go to http://www.virustotal.com/ and select the Choose button,
what pops up for file selection is dolphin.

I'm using kde 4.3.5 under Mandriva 2010.0. i586 version.

What distribution/desktop manager are you using.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:54:54 -0400, Gordon Darling wrote:

> in my case the window's title bar says "Open file - Opera" (apparently
> still using the KDE/QT4 widget set)

Title shows the same here. It's just looking at the settings
option, using the icon in the upper right, that it's recognizable
as dolphin.

>> I'm using kde 4.3.5 under Mandriva 2010.0. i586 version.
> Ditto

I take it that it's working ok then, but annoyingly slowwwww.
Hopefully the 2010.1 version of kde4 will have some performance
improvements.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:10 am    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 17:13:59 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote:

<snip>

> My understanding, is that opera decided to remove the dependencies on
> the qt libraries. Part of that appears to be that instead of using it's
> own file selection manager, it's using the desktop managers file manager
> to select the file. I think it's using dbus to ask the desktop manager
> for a file selection.
>
> If I go to http://www.virustotal.com/ and select the Choose button, what
> pops up for file selection is dolphin.

in my case the window's title bar says "Open file - Opera" (apparently
still using the KDE/QT4 widget set)

>
> I'm using kde 4.3.5 under Mandriva 2010.0. i586 version.

Ditto

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 12:10 am    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:25:58 -0400, David W. Hodgins wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:54:54 -0400, Gordon Darling
> wrote:
>
>> in my case the window's title bar says "Open file - Opera" (apparently
>> still using the KDE/QT4 widget set)
>
> Title shows the same here. It's just looking at the settings option,
> using the icon in the upper right, that it's recognizable as dolphin.

You may be right. I'm not sure which "icon in the upper right" you mean.

>>> I'm using kde 4.3.5 under Mandriva 2010.0. i586 version.
>> Ditto
>
> I take it that it's working ok then, but annoyingly slowwwww.

Seems to be reasonable fast here.

> Hopefully
> the 2010.1 version of kde4 will have some performance improvements.

Ah, tomorrow. July the 8th. Judgement day! Should be a helluva lot fun!

I will install clean on a second SATA drive, migrate home (and /etc & /
var) settings from the main disk and hope I don't screw up!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Whiskers wrote:

> Mandriva 2008 here, with XFce4; Opera is now using Thunar (the default
> XFce file manager) for file selection.

I wonder if there's a setting somewhere for KDE 3 that I'm not seeing.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:51 am    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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ellis@spinics.net writes:

>Gordon Darling wrote:

>>>>> What happened to the file selection dialog?
>>>>
>>>> At the bottom, contained within the new red button. This can be
>>>> changed back if you'd like.
>>>
>>> Ok, how do I change it back?
>>
>> Alt & F11

>Ah, that wasn't what I was asking about. I mean the selection dialog for
>finding a file to upload. Right now it only allows for me typing in the
>full path.

This is because Opera can't detect a proper toolkit to use, so it is
using the bare bones X11 file selection dialog. Make sure that you have
either a modern version of GTK, KDE, or QT4 installed. if you have that,
then Opera will use those by default. You can search for "toolkit" in
the opera:config page and make sure that the value is set to 0 as well.

I actually set that value to 5, which forces it to use the X11 File
Selection dialog, which is what I want, rather than GTK or QT.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Aaron W. Hsu wrote:

> This is because Opera can't detect a proper toolkit to use, so it is
> using the bare bones X11 file selection dialog. Make sure that you have
> either a modern version of GTK, KDE, or QT4 installed. if you have that,
> then Opera will use those by default. You can search for "toolkit" in
> the opera:config page and make sure that the value is set to 0 as well.

I have CentOS 5.5 and KDE 3.x. Changing GTK, KDE or QT4 is not an option.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 4:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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ellis@spinics.net writes:

>Aaron W. Hsu wrote:

>> This is because Opera can't detect a proper toolkit to use, so it is
>> using the bare bones X11 file selection dialog. Make sure that you have
>> either a modern version of GTK, KDE, or QT4 installed. if you have that,
>> then Opera will use those by default. You can search for "toolkit" in
>> the opera:config page and make sure that the value is set to 0 as well.

>I have CentOS 5.5 and KDE 3.x. Changing GTK, KDE or QT4 is not an option.

If you only have KDE 3, and have no GTK or QT4 toolkit, then you are
going to have to use the X11 toolkit. Opera does plan to enhance this
basic toolkit, but they had to focus on other things for the moment.

Personally, I rather like the minimalism, and if they changed that
toolkit to anything, I would want them to integrate Motif dialogs into
it. But that's just me. Smile

So, the best thing you can do right now is sit tight and wait for them
to improve the X11 interface a bit.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Tue, 2010-07-06, David W. Hodgins wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:33:47 -0400, wrote:
>
>> Ah, that wasn't what I was asking about. I mean the selection dialog for
>> finding a file to upload. Right now it only allows for me typing in the
>> full path.
>
> My understanding, is that opera decided to remove the dependencies on
> the qt libraries. Part of that appears to be that instead of using
> it's own file selection manager, it's using the desktop managers file
> manager to select the file.

I hope that isn't true, because I have no desktop manager or file
manager. I have a standard X11 desktop, with ctwm as my window manager.

I haven't dared upgrading to 10.60 yet.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:35:59 +0200, Jorgen Grahn
wrote:

> On Tue, 2010-07-06, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:33:47 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, that wasn't what I was asking about. I mean the selection dialog
>>> for
>>> finding a file to upload. Right now it only allows for me typing in the
>>> full path.
>>
>> My understanding, is that opera decided to remove the dependencies on
>> the qt libraries. Part of that appears to be that instead of using
>> it's own file selection manager, it's using the desktop managers file
>> manager to select the file.
>
> I hope that isn't true, because I have no desktop manager or file
> manager. I have a standard X11 desktop, with ctwm as my window manager.

It's a half-truth Smile

The hard dependency is gone, in favour of at runtime detection (and
inclusion of wrapper libraries) of Qt/KDE and GTK. And there is now a
native X11 fallback.

opera:config#FileSelector|DialogToolkit

0: auto
1: Qt
2: GTK
3: KDE
4: Native X11

(contrary to the name, the setting is now for all of Opera, not just the
file selector)

You can check what Opera will use when you start it with this: opera
--full-version

> I haven't dared upgrading to 10.60 yet.

Grab a tar.gz/tar.bz2, extract and run in place. It uses a separate
profile, making it easy to test things.

For me that would be this:

$ wget
ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/linux/1060/opera-10.60-6386.x86_64.linux.tar.bz2
$ tar xf opera-10.60-6386.x86_64.linux.tar.bz2
$ opera-10.60-6386.x86_64.linux/opera

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Sun, 2010-07-18, Remco Lanting wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:35:59 +0200, Jorgen Grahn
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2010-07-06, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>>> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:33:47 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ah, that wasn't what I was asking about. I mean the selection dialog
>>>> for
>>>> finding a file to upload. Right now it only allows for me typing in the
>>>> full path.
>>>
>>> My understanding, is that opera decided to remove the dependencies on
>>> the qt libraries. Part of that appears to be that instead of using
>>> it's own file selection manager, it's using the desktop managers file
>>> manager to select the file.
>>
>> I hope that isn't true, because I have no desktop manager or file
>> manager. I have a standard X11 desktop, with ctwm as my window manager.
>
> It's a half-truth Smile
>
> The hard dependency is gone, in favour of at runtime detection (and
> inclusion of wrapper libraries) of Qt/KDE and GTK. And there is now a
> native X11 fallback.
>
> opera:config#FileSelector|DialogToolkit
>
> 0: auto
> 1: Qt
> 2: GTK
> 3: KDE
> 4: Native X11
>
> (contrary to the name, the setting is now for all of Opera, not just the
> file selector)

Thanks. I'll be excited to see the native X11 file selector dialogue,
since there is no such thing! I suppose it means the Opera developers have
implemented one from scratch using just X11/Xt.

Not that I dislike that idea. I really dislike both the Qt and the
GTK file dialogues, at least as they are used by applications I
use. They forget which directories I've visited, forget their
dimensions, forget what I did last time ... and are in general
much inferior to file selection in Emacs, or even by TAB
completion in a decent shell.

> You can check what Opera will use when you start it with this: opera
> --full-version
>
>> I haven't dared upgrading to 10.60 yet.
>
> Grab a tar.gz/tar.bz2, extract and run in place. It uses a separate
> profile, making it easy to test things.

OK, I guess I *dare* doing it, but don't want to spend the time
reconfiguring, learning the keyboard shortcuts (which are no doubt
redesigned again), learning to live with new bugs ... etc.

When I finally do it, I'll install the .dpkg as usual, but backup
~/.opera first. That should be safe enough.

/Jorgen

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Jorgen Grahn writes:

>On Tue, 2010-07-06, David W. Hodgins wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:33:47 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, that wasn't what I was asking about. I mean the selection dialog for
>>> finding a file to upload. Right now it only allows for me typing in the
>>> full path.
>>
>> My understanding, is that opera decided to remove the dependencies on
>> the qt libraries. Part of that appears to be that instead of using
>> it's own file selection manager, it's using the desktop managers file
>> manager to select the file.

>I hope that isn't true, because I have no desktop manager or file
>manager. I have a standard X11 desktop, with ctwm as my window manager.

For me, it was the greatest thing that could have happened with Opera
outside of them integrating Motif support when they did it. Smile I like
having the new slimmed down file selection dialog, because it doesn't
get in my way anymore.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Jorgen Grahn writes:

>Thanks. I'll be excited to see the native X11 file selector dialogue,
>since there is no such thing! I suppose it means the Opera developers have
>implemented one from scratch using just X11/Xt.

> Not that I dislike that idea. I really dislike both the Qt and the
> GTK file dialogues, at least as they are used by applications I
> use. They forget which directories I've visited, forget their
> dimensions, forget what I did last time ... and are in general
> much inferior to file selection in Emacs, or even by TAB
> completion in a decent shell.

They do plan to improve it, but unfortunately, right now it's pretty
barebones. That said, if you can type at even a half-way decent rate,
then you aren't going to be in much trouble.

I still wish they would throw Motif support in there, as most of the
other applications I use are either CLI or Motif programs.

Aaron W. Hsu
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:10 am    Post subject: Re: Opera 10.60 file selection [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Sun, 2010-07-18, Aaron W Hsu wrote:
> Jorgen Grahn writes:
>
>>Thanks. I'll be excited to see the native X11 file selector dialogue,
>>since there is no such thing! I suppose it means the Opera developers have
>>implemented one from scratch using just X11/Xt.
>
>> Not that I dislike that idea. I really dislike both the Qt and the
>> GTK file dialogues, at least as they are used by applications I
>> use. They forget which directories I've visited, forget their
>> dimensions, forget what I did last time ... and are in general
>> much inferior to file selection in Emacs, or even by TAB
>> completion in a decent shell.
>
> They do plan to improve it, but unfortunately, right now it's pretty
> barebones. That said, if you can type at even a half-way decent rate,
> then you aren't going to be in much trouble.

Hm, I almost never type file names, since everything I use has TAB
completion. But perhaps you include that as "typing" -- I'll have to
find out for myself I guess.

> I still wish they would throw Motif support in there, as most of the
> other applications I use are either CLI or Motif programs.

As long as it's optional I can't object, but I remember really hating
the Motif file selection dialogue back in the early 1990s. The only
GUI-style selector I really liked was for the Amiga ... can't remember
it's name, but it was one of those things that patched themselves into
the OS and replaced the stock dialogue which was part of AmigaOS 2.0
and later.

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